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  • zero_requiemzero_requiem Joined: Posts: 55
    ewok wrote: »
    By the way, are there any silent switches for korean sticks? I've been having evening wifey problems as of late. Got my buttons silenced, but it seems that won't cut it.

    I very much doubt it. If there was a way to modify the omron switches from a sanwa silent jlf that could work with 5 pin conversion. Another option would be to use a silent sanwa mod or optical haybusa at night lol.
  • zero_requiemzero_requiem Joined: Posts: 55
    EndRant wrote: »
    hey guys, I've been meaning to try a Korean stick for a while, I know most people mod theirs due to preference but what would you guys say it's the best stock Korean stick? thanks.

    Myoungshin fanta stock would be your best bet if you are willing to drill a 35mm hole into your button panel. If not a crown 309mj is pretty good as well. I find s stock taeyoung to be very sloppy due to the shape of the actuator. Most ppl switch the actuator out for the myoungshin's but you would have to shave a little off the top to fit it in.
  • zero_requiemzero_requiem Joined: Posts: 55
    edited August 11
    Romie wrote: »
    So I decided to play around with the 309MJ that had the A2 switches. I put these switches in;

    https://www.focusattack.com/new-seimitsu-2017-ls-32-ls-40-187-fastener-microswitch/

    and the diagonals feel much easier to hit. Only thing is I had to straighten out the metal lever that hits the switch, otherwise I was getting accidental inputs cause the actuation distance was too short.

    Awesome! Just ordered some of these from focus attack just to see how they compare to the Panasonic switches.
  • EndRantEndRant Joined: Posts: 227
    jey-are wrote: »
    EndRant wrote: »
    sinonick wrote: »
    for me it was the taeyoung fanta (the 2017 etokki one that has the soft grommet and gersung A2s)
    but really why keep it stock? modding the stick is easy

    I wanted something good to start with then mod it to my preference. in terms of japanese levers I like the ls40 and busa with 2lb spring.

    Would you be dropping it into a Japanese mount or Korean mount case?

    I also feel like it's still a preference question. A person who's tried them all could give good insight. Idk who here has. My experience though:

    With Japanese mount, has only been crown 303 and 307. I really liked the 303 a lot versus the 307. I even contemplate getting a k-mount version. Thing about it is that the throw is long. Not really comparable to the ls40 you like, but maybe towards the busa you like (I've heard they have a farther throw).

    As for k-mount, I've only messed with a myoungshin fanta and crown's 309 helpme. I liked them both. Both have their preference, I felt the M-fanta you didn't have to throw far to actuate the switches and there was more wiggle room between actuation and top collar gate. So I didn't feel a need to ride the gate with it. I also prefer the tension in it. With the 309, the tension was lighter but was still able to get the job done, won't tire you out if you use a high movement/execution character for a long session. I liked the Panasonic switches that came with it, it's a shame they won't come with them anymore. I feel like I hit the gate more but maybe some ppl prefer that. It's still a good stock lever though. I tried it with A2'S and A3'S and didn't feel like I was hindered in anyway with directional input. A3'S felt like it had better feel to make up for the lighter grommet tension.

    japanese mount for now until I get an etokki stick probably next year. from what I've read so far, the 309helpme/mj seem to be the most popular so I think I'll go with that since those are compatible with japanese mounts. right?
  • zero_requiemzero_requiem Joined: Posts: 55
    EndRant wrote: »
    jey-are wrote: »
    EndRant wrote: »
    sinonick wrote: »
    for me it was the taeyoung fanta (the 2017 etokki one that has the soft grommet and gersung A2s)
    but really why keep it stock? modding the stick is easy

    I wanted something good to start with then mod it to my preference. in terms of japanese levers I like the ls40 and busa with 2lb spring.

    Would you be dropping it into a Japanese mount or Korean mount case?

    I also feel like it's still a preference question. A person who's tried them all could give good insight. Idk who here has. My experience though:

    With Japanese mount, has only been crown 303 and 307. I really liked the 303 a lot versus the 307. I even contemplate getting a k-mount version. Thing about it is that the throw is long. Not really comparable to the ls40 you like, but maybe towards the busa you like (I've heard they have a farther throw).

    As for k-mount, I've only messed with a myoungshin fanta and crown's 309 helpme. I liked them both. Both have their preference, I felt the M-fanta you didn't have to throw far to actuate the switches and there was more wiggle room between actuation and top collar gate. So I didn't feel a need to ride the gate with it. I also prefer the tension in it. With the 309, the tension was lighter but was still able to get the job done, won't tire you out if you use a high movement/execution character for a long session. I liked the Panasonic switches that came with it, it's a shame they won't come with them anymore. I feel like I hit the gate more but maybe some ppl prefer that. It's still a good stock lever though. I tried it with A2'S and A3'S and didn't feel like I was hindered in anyway with directional input. A3'S felt like it had better feel to make up for the lighter grommet tension.

    japanese mount for now until I get an etokki stick probably next year. from what I've read so far, the 309helpme/mj seem to be the most popular so I think I'll go with that since those are compatible with japanese mounts. right?

    Yup should be a straight drop in. Keep in mind you might have to switch out the micro switches since tons of ppl are having problems with the gersung A2's. If you order from focus attack it should come with gersung A3's which will be the better option. I for one have no problems with my A2's that came with it from makestick.
  • masked ridermasked rider Henshin! Joined: Posts: 1,229
    Yup should be a straight drop in. Keep in mind you might have to switch out the micro switches since tons of ppl are having problems with the gersung A2's. If you order from focus attack it should come with gersung A3's which will be the better option. I for one have no problems with my A2's that came with it from makestick.
    That's interesting. Is this the standard K-mount 309 you're using or the 309MJ? All the problems I've heard about (and experienced) have been on the 309MJ. I'd be curious to hear if the standard 309 is different.
  • EndRantEndRant Joined: Posts: 227
    edited August 11
    I heard a lot about people complaining how the A2 switches weren't as good as the A3. I'll wait a little till everything is sorted out and get one from focus attack with the A3 switches. thanks. if I get the mj it'll just go straight into a te2 without any modifications to the panel or plexi don't?
  • sinonicksinonick Joined: Posts: 11
    EndRant wrote: »
    japanese mount for now until I get an etokki stick probably next year. from what I've read so far, the 309helpme/mj seem to be the most popular so I think I'll go with that since those are compatible with japanese mounts. right?
    HelpMe comes with a korean mount (notice the K in CWL-309Helpme-K-JMS-ST35) and 309MJ & FJ come with japanese mount (notice the J in CWL-309MJ-JMS-ST25)
    in that respect JMS is "japanese microswitch" (panasonics) and KMS is "korean microswitch" (gersungs)
    I agree completely with it feeling too loose and currently using a 55a shore grommet on it.

    where is the 55a grommet from? I've been looking for hardness ratings for the 303/305/307 crowns but couldn't find any...
    thanks to wazwuz i won't have to worry about that stuff for long now
  • RomieRomie Joined: Posts: 208 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    EndRant wrote: »
    I heard a lot about people complaining how the A2 switches weren't as good as the A3. I'll wait a little till everything is sorted out and get one from focus attack with the A3 switches. thanks. if I get the mj it'll just go straight into a te2 without any modifications to the panel or plexi don't?

    I had to shave off some plastic inside the regular TE because the switches and wiring harness is much wider than a jlf. TE2 looks like it has more space inside, so should be fine. But you won't have to modify the panel. It mounts to the jlf bracket fine.
  • zero_requiemzero_requiem Joined: Posts: 55
    edited August 11
    Yup should be a straight drop in. Keep in mind you might have to switch out the micro switches since tons of ppl are having problems with the gersung A2's. If you order from focus attack it should come with gersung A3's which will be the better option. I for one have no problems with my A2's that came with it from makestick.
    That's interesting. Is this the standard K-mount 309 you're using or the 309MJ? All the problems I've heard about (and experienced) have been on the 309MJ. I'd be curious to hear if the standard 309 is different.

    Mine is a 309mj. It's just on my old sfxt vs madcatz stick at the moment. I don't use it anymore since I have the fanta in my te2+ meow and my etokki. So if anything it's just there as a back up in case any goes wrong with the other 2. When I order the golden crown kit I'll be using it in the te2+ with a 309 helpme korean mounted collar version instead.
  • zero_requiemzero_requiem Joined: Posts: 55
    EndRant wrote: »
    I heard a lot about people complaining how the A2 switches weren't as good as the A3. I'll wait a little till everything is sorted out and get one from focus attack with the A3 switches. thanks. if I get the mj it'll just go straight into a te2 without any modifications to the panel or plexi don't?

    Yup just make sure it's the mj that you're getting.
  • zero_requiemzero_requiem Joined: Posts: 55
    edited August 12
    @sinonick I got them from makestick a couple months ago. It looks like it's made from the same material as well and it also available in different hardness ratings.

    Post edited by zero_requiem on
  • EndRantEndRant Joined: Posts: 227
    awesome, thanks to all the peeps that replied.
  • sinonicksinonick Joined: Posts: 11
    @sinonick I got them from makestick a couple months ago. It looks like it's made from the same material as well and it also comes in different hardness ratings.

    oh too bad, makestick doesn't have a shipping option for my country and they didn't reply to my email.
    know if the 55g crown silicon grommet is available elsewhere?
  • MediastinumMediastinum Joined: Posts: 1
    Could you please sign me up for a Golden Crown kit? And did you decide on adding variable spring tensions for the first batch? Thanks.
  • zero_requiemzero_requiem Joined: Posts: 55
    sinonick wrote: »
    @sinonick I got them from makestick a couple months ago. It looks like it's made from the same material as well and it also comes in different hardness ratings.

    oh too bad, makestick doesn't have a shipping option for my country and they didn't reply to my email.
    know if the 55g crown silicon grommet is available elsewhere?

    Oh no that's unfortunate. Focus attack sells a 60a shore grommet
  • masked ridermasked rider Henshin! Joined: Posts: 1,229
    Yup should be a straight drop in. Keep in mind you might have to switch out the micro switches since tons of ppl are having problems with the gersung A2's. If you order from focus attack it should come with gersung A3's which will be the better option. I for one have no problems with my A2's that came with it from makestick.
    That's interesting. Is this the standard K-mount 309 you're using or the 309MJ? All the problems I've heard about (and experienced) have been on the 309MJ. I'd be curious to hear if the standard 309 is different.

    Mine is a 309mj. It's just on my old sfxt vs madcatz stick at the moment. I don't use it anymore since I have the fanta in my te2+ meow and my etokki. So if anything it's just there as a back up in case any goes wrong with the other 2. When I order the golden crown kit I'll be using it in the te2+ with a 309 helpme korean mounted collar version instead.
    It's interesting that you say you don't have an issue with the diagonals. In my experience, unless you pushed the lever pretty hard against the gate in a very specific spot, you would absolutely not get any diagonal inputs. In actual play, that would've pretty much guaranteed to be missed inputs. It's much better with the Panasonic switches.

    Pretty happy with the 309MJ now, just gotta wait for my grommet to come in from Focus Attack. Wanted to try the ones from Makestick but I didn't want to pay $20 shipping for $2 parts lol.
  • zero_requiemzero_requiem Joined: Posts: 55
    edited August 12
    @masked rider I mainly use mishimas and with the 309mj I ride the gate harder than all my other k-sticks. I find the dead zone to be very small on it so you are right about pushing on the diagonals harder. With my fujin v2 and taeyoung I don't ride the gate much especially since I'm using very stiff grommets.
  • N7KhanN7Khan Joined: Posts: 3
    I would also be interested in buying a golden crown kit when they become available.
  • VarmintBabyVarmintBaby Joined: Posts: 500
    Does Crown make the SDB-201 in 24mm? I know focus doesn't carry them, but does anyone know if they even exist? I hear paradise is gonna make a OBSMX in 24mm but I know I really like the style of the Crown buttons for sure. I'd take those over anything.
    "Play the game to learn not to win. Do this and winning will start to come all on its own." - some smart guy
  • ykdykd Joined: Posts: 22
    Does Crown make the SDB-201 in 24mm? I know focus doesn't carry them, but does anyone know if they even exist? I hear paradise is gonna make a OBSMX in 24mm but I know I really like the style of the Crown buttons for sure. I'd take those over anything.

    Agreed. Best buttons I've ever used in my Omni..
  • eljaykooljayeljaykooljay Joined: Posts: 6
    I'm a new owner of a 309MJ for two weeks now, and I'm using it for SFV, T7, and Injustice 2.

    It was hard for me to adjust, coming from a Sanwa JLF. It was difficult to perform diagonals, quarter circles, and half circles suffered because I feel the input for diagonals is very narrow with the A2 switches. I want to get the A3 switches everyone is talking about, but Focus Attack doesn't have them in stock.

    I was about to give up on the 309MJ and return it until I wrapped the switches' metal arms with some thin cardstock and scotch tape (to minimize resistance). It seems to increase the stick's sensitivity, decrease the dead zone (if i'm using the term correctly), my diagonals are much more consistent, and I don't have to ride the "gate" as hard.

    Maybe you guys can try this out until the A3 switches come back in stock ... unless there's another A3 source?

    309MJ%20Poverty%20Mod.jpg
  • The PhantomnautThe Phantomnaut Too obsessive over Korean arcade parts. Joined: Posts: 1,736
    edited August 13
    I'm a new owner of a 309MJ for two weeks now, and I'm using it for SFV, T7, and Injustice 2.

    It was hard for me to adjust, coming from a Sanwa JLF. It was difficult to perform diagonals, quarter circles, and half circles suffered because I feel the input for diagonals is very narrow with the A2 switches. I want to get the A3 switches everyone is talking about, but Focus Attack doesn't have them in stock.

    I was about to give up on the 309MJ and return it until I wrapped the switches' metal arms with some thin cardstock and scotch tape (to minimize resistance). It seems to increase the stick's sensitivity, decrease the dead zone (if i'm using the term correctly), my diagonals are much more consistent, and I don't have to ride the "gate" as hard.

    Maybe you guys can try this out until the A3 switches come back in stock ... unless there's another A3 source?

    There is always Panasonic switches which some 309s and Help Me 2nd gen models had. Not the exact same but can possibly work fine. There are also the new Omron switches used in the new LS-32 models which are supposed to replace the Panasonic switches in old LS-32 models; you can try replacing the metal tab or straightening em out.
    sinonick wrote: »
    I am under the impression the diagonals issue has to do with the switches and nothing to do with the collar. The 309s are identical except for the collar (the top plastic part and ofc the plate) afaik. @jey-are

    Technically the collar can influence diagonals but you do have to factor in actuator and shaft sizes as well. With the Golden Crown set, I assume it can solve the diagonal issue for those with the specific A2 switches with a good shaft and actuator combo.

    On a side note, I do like to see the normal 303 models back since that has a wider collar funnel. After using the Taeyoung Fanta, I can say that the 303 is Crown's equivalent of sorts.
  • RokwhoRokwho Joined: Posts: 16
    so its probably safe to say the golden fanta is now a complete package !
    been testing different battops with golden kit lately (kdit aluminium, sanwwa LB30N , sanwa clear) with my preferred 45 green grommit sanwa LB30 is almost perfect i sanded down myn to make it smoother which turned out ok but is a litle on the light side overall with the 8mm shaft
    if only we had more options im looking for a gloss finish like the original fanta or part gloss but obviously needs to screw on to the shaft and be the right weight overall i found the kdit aluminium is too heavy resulting in alot of missed inputs and the sanwa clear battop just sits way too high. Debating weather to clear coat the LB30N what youz recon?
  • AgiezeAgieze Joined: Posts: 285
    edited August 13
    sinonick wrote: »
    EndRant wrote: »
    japanese mount for now until I get an etokki stick probably next year. from what I've read so far, the 309helpme/mj seem to be the most popular so I think I'll go with that since those are compatible with japanese mounts. right?
    HelpMe comes with a korean mount (notice the K in CWL-309Helpme-K-JMS-ST35) and 309MJ & FJ come with japanese mount (notice the J in CWL-309MJ-JMS-ST25)
    in that respect JMS is "japanese microswitch" (panasonics) and KMS is "korean microswitch" (gersungs)

    You're mixing things up there with the FJ and MJ.

    MJ does not mean japanese mount. MJ stands for "chopped collar" according to Crown/Samducksa, due to the collar (or neck) being of reduced height). MJ option exists for 303 and 309 and is always in "sanwa" mounting plate. Newsflash, it also exists for 307 but probably no one gives a flying fuck about it due to diagonal issues.
    307MJ (and 303MJ, 309MJ) :
    http://samducksa.com/new/product/index_view.php?UidNum=373

    The J in MJ does not mean "japanese" because M alone exists as an option : 309M which is collar-less. 309M is the new and revised F collar-less series (FJ & FK) . F had inherent playability issues due to way they implemented the absence of the said neck: excessive rubbing against plate; looseness etc.
    The J in FJ means japanese mounting plate and K in FK means korean mounting plate ...but J in MJ does not mean japanese mounting plate.
    By the way ETOKKI is making a serious mistake by selling 303FK by claiming FK corresponds to japanese plates. K in FK stands for the MOUNT not the switches, FK should be korean mounting plate, but Etokki really shows pics of FJ with "sanwa" (japanese) plates.
    http://www.etokki.com/Joysticks

    official sheets for
    303F http://samducksa.com/new/product/index_view.php?UidNum=192
    307F http://samducksa.com/new/product/index_view.php?UidNum=359

    I explained MANY times in this same thread that the refs used by Crown/ Samducksa are overly complicated and not very professional since they induce easily in error .

    SDL301DX for example has a MJ collar/neck but doesn't sport the MJ letters anywhere in the ref.

    Oddly, 309MJ sheet is not available on Samducksa website .

    Crown has no "sheet" for the collarless 309M (or "sanwa" version of 309Helpme on Korean sites) as it is considered a SPECIAL version made only for fighsticks.
    only sheet available from Crown is the standard korean mount,korean switch and korean collar standard 309Helpme:
    http://samducksa.com/new/product/index_view.php?UidNum=366
  • AgiezeAgieze Joined: Posts: 285
    edited August 13
    ewok wrote: »
    By the way, are there any silent switches for korean sticks? I've been having evening wifey problems as of late. Got my buttons silenced, but it seems that won't cut it.

    I very much doubt it. If there was a way to modify the omron switches from a sanwa silent jlf that could work with 5 pin conversion. Another option would be to use a silent sanwa mod or optical haybusa at night lol.

    SMS SilentMicroSwitch option exists for Crown models, can be mounted on Fanta, but they're just old style leafswitches with a plastic mounting base compatible with current microswitch mounting holes.
    Design and quality seem ..meh to me (only tried the old ones on old Crowns I think it was the 304, I do not know if the SMS switch quality changed since then. Old leafs were soft and flimsy) .

    There is always Panasonic switches which some 309s and Help Me 2nd gen models had. Not the exact same but can possibly work fine.

    these panasonics are one step softer than the ones used generally in K-levers. Classic Pana "Thai" switch in k-levers is supposedly 180gf, the discontinued panasonic switch for seimitsu is (verified) 120gf (or 118N) and thus EXACTLY the same (on paper) as the operating force of the Gersung A2 without the actuating problem.

    There are also the new Omron switches used in the new LS-32 models which are supposed to replace the Panasonic switches in old LS-32 models; you can try replacing the metal tab or straightening em out.

    you can't replace the hinge lever blade on omron V, the cases are closed with rivets. Good luck using the wrong lever from another brand , drilling through the rivet and risking ruining the internal mechanism with debris from the tooling. This trick only works with same brand (or compatible) blades, when cases are snap fit .
    These CUSTOM Omron V switches are also at 120gf, so same as Gersung GSM-V***A2 in operating force. Do NOT straighten the blades!! Seimitsu asked Omron to bend the blade upwards to reduce the deadzone , in order to imitate the discontinued panasonics (which have less max pretravel).
    If you straighten the blade, you'll never do a clean job, (the bending is done with machines, not by hand) and you'll lose that extra precision those custom omron V made specially for seimitsu have in comparison with stock omron V of same force and comparble gersing A2.
    in terms of sensitivity and precision :
    custom omron v for seimitsu (120gf) > stock omron v (120gf) >= gersung gsm-v***A2 (120gf)

  • kimjongskillkimjongskill Joined: Posts: 4
    Agieze wrote: »
    ewok wrote: »
    By the way, are there any silent switches for korean sticks? I've been having evening wifey problems as of late. Got my buttons silenced, but it seems that won't cut it.

    I very much doubt it. If there was a way to modify the omron switches from a sanwa silent jlf that could work with 5 pin conversion. Another option would be to use a silent sanwa mod or optical haybusa at night lol.

    SMS SilentMicroSwitch option exists for Crown models, can be mounted on Fanta, but they're just old style leafswitches with a plastic mounting base compatible with current microswitch mounting holes.
    Design and quality seem ..meh to me (only tried the old ones on old Crowns I think it was the 304, I do not know if the SMS switch quality changed since then. Old leafs were soft and flimsy) .

    There is always Panasonic switches which some 309s and Help Me 2nd gen models had. Not the exact same but can possibly work fine.

    these panasonics are one step softer than the ones used generally in K-levers. Classic Pana "Thai" switch in k-levers is supposedly 180gf, the discontinued panasonic switch for seimitsu is (verified) 120gf (or 118N) and thus EXACTLY the same (on paper) as the operating force of the Gersung A2 without the actuating problem.

    There are also the new Omron switches used in the new LS-32 models which are supposed to replace the Panasonic switches in old LS-32 models; you can try replacing the metal tab or straightening em out.

    you can't replace the hinge lever blade on omron V, the cases are closed with rivets. Good luck using the wrong lever from another brand , drilling through the rivet and risking ruining the internal mechanism with debris from the tooling. This trick only works with same brand (or compatible) blades, when cases are snap fit .
    These CUSTOM Omron V switches are also at 120gf, so same as Gersung GSM-V***A2 in operating force. Do NOT straighten the blades!! Seimitsu asked Omron to bend the blade upwards to reduce the deadzone , in order to imitate the discontinued panasonics (which have less max pretravel).
    If you straighten the blade, you'll never do a clean job, (the bending is done with machines, not by hand) and you'll lose that extra precision those custom omron V made specially for seimitsu have in comparison with stock omron V of same force and comparble gersing A2.
    in terms of sensitivity and precision :
    custom omron v for seimitsu (120gf) > stock omron v (120gf) >= gersung gsm-v***A2 (120gf)

    So I've just ordered a Fujin V2 from makestick and Rohan informed me that the latest batch won't be using the discontinued panasonic switches which is a little disappointing but obviously what I expected when I ordered.
    "Thanks for your enquiry. I heard that they installed Panasonic until recent models and looking for another type of switches as replacement."

    He hasn't said what their planning on replacing them with but regardless, what would you recommend getting that's closest to them and if so where can you purchase them? Or in general other high quality microswitches for korean levers.

    I currently own a myoungshin and taeyoung fanta from etokki that both use gersung A2 switches and although I don't think I've had any of the issues that I've read some people here have had with them... This is my first arcade stick and I barely know anything about korean levers in general let alone microswitches (as well as not having a point of comparison) to really form an opinion on them.
  • AgiezeAgieze Joined: Posts: 285
    edited August 15
    @kimjongskill
    I agree with Phantomnaut that hinge lever panasonics for seimitsu ls32 or ls40 (if you can salvage them) are the best choice for replacing A2 (amongst what is available in arcade shops) . Common sense= avoid pcb versions (-01) .
    Same thing for the new custom omron v for seimitsu ls-32/40 as second choice (but at least are readily avilable), and of course do not fiddle with the blades despite their appearance, they're ok the way they are. It was pretty evident from the latest posts that although I didn't agree with his idea of straightening of the blades that these switches were good alternatives for those who want to avoid Gersung and or in particular the faulty Gersung A2 with extraordinarily big pretravel/low operating point.
    There are other switches on the market, but it would be overly complicated and expensive for you guys to order , since arcade parts dealers do not stock them.

    This being said, it is highly probable that panasonic switches are replaced by korean lever manufacturers and korean modders (Fujin is a mod) by so-called "A2" or "A3" (in fact GSM-V****A2 or A3) . No surprise. "Looking for another type of switches as replacement" ..it made me laugh for a second. Look at Crown's latest offering, the expensive SDL301DX, despite the price it comes stock with Gersung A3. They really want to sell those korean switches.
    Post edited by Agieze on
  • zero_requiemzero_requiem Joined: Posts: 55
    edited August 13
    Agieze wrote: »
    ewok wrote: »
    By the way, are there any silent switches for korean sticks? I've been having evening wifey problems as of late. Got my buttons silenced, but it seems that won't cut it.

    I very much doubt it. If there was a way to modify the omron switches from a sanwa silent jlf that could work with 5 pin conversion. Another option would be to use a silent sanwa mod or optical haybusa at night lol.

    SMS SilentMicroSwitch option exists for Crown models, can be mounted on Fanta, but they're just old style leafswitches with a plastic mounting base compatible with current microswitch mounting holes.
    Design and quality seem ..meh to me (only tried the old ones on old Crowns I think it was the 304, I do not know if the SMS switch quality changed since then. Old leafs were soft and flimsy) .

    There is always Panasonic switches which some 309s and Help Me 2nd gen models had. Not the exact same but can possibly work fine.

    these panasonics are one step softer than the ones used generally in K-levers. Classic Pana "Thai" switch in k-levers is supposedly 180gf, the discontinued panasonic switch for seimitsu is (verified) 120gf (or 118N) and thus EXACTLY the same (on paper) as the operating force of the Gersung A2 without the actuating problem.

    There are also the new Omron switches used in the new LS-32 models which are supposed to replace the Panasonic switches in old LS-32 models; you can try replacing the metal tab or straightening em out.

    you can't replace the hinge lever blade on omron V, the cases are closed with rivets. Good luck using the wrong lever from another brand , drilling through the rivet and risking ruining the internal mechanism with debris from the tooling. This trick only works with same brand (or compatible) blades, when cases are snap fit .
    These CUSTOM Omron V switches are also at 120gf, so same as Gersung GSM-V***A2 in operating force. Do NOT straighten the blades!! Seimitsu asked Omron to bend the blade upwards to reduce the deadzone , in order to imitate the discontinued panasonics (which have less max pretravel).
    If you straighten the blade, you'll never do a clean job, (the bending is done with machines, not by hand) and you'll lose that extra precision those custom omron V made specially for seimitsu have in comparison with stock omron V of same force and comparble gersing A2.
    in terms of sensitivity and precision :
    custom omron v for seimitsu (120gf) > stock omron v (120gf) >= gersung gsm-v***A2 (120gf)

    So I've just ordered a Fujin V2 from makestick and Rohan informed me that the latest batch won't be using the discontinued panasonic switches which is a little disappointing but obviously what I expected when I ordered.
    "Thanks for your enquiry. I heard that they installed Panasonic until recent models and looking for another type of switches as replacement."

    He hasn't said what their planning on replacing them with but regardless, what would you recommend getting that's closest to them and if so where can you purchase them? Or in general other high quality microswitches for korean levers.

    I currently own a myoungshin and taeyoung fanta from etokki that both use gersung A2 switches and although I don't think I've had any of the issues that I've read some people here have had with them... This is my first arcade stick and I barely know anything about korean levers in general let alone microswitches (as well as not having a point of comparison) to really form an opinion on them.

    I contacted Rohan as well and he told me the same thing. I was going to get the fujin v2 for my brother but find it very odd that they are selling it without knowledge as to what switches come with it. Ever since getting my golden fanta I've put my fujin's Panasonic's onto the golden fanta myoungshin and using the fujin with a2s and have no problems at all executing electrics. That being said i seen the new seimitsu ls32/40 switches on focus attack and ordered some to see how they compare to Panasonic's since they're clones. I also ordered the omron switches that come with sanwa jlw just to see how they feel in a korean lever.
  • AgiezeAgieze Joined: Posts: 285
    the new seimitsu ls32/40 switches on focus attack and ordered some to see how they compare to Panasonic's since they're clones. I also ordered the omron switches that come with sanwa jlw just to see how they feel in a korean lever.

    The Omron switches are not panasonic clones. The clones in the story are the gersung. The new "seimitsu" switches for ls32/40 are just Omron V switches with the levers bent industrially to a precise angle...to imitate the best they could the AM5 from panasonic used by seimitsu .
    Omron in JLW are standard omron v.

  • VR-FistVR-Fist Welcome to die! Joined: Posts: 320
    EndRant wrote: »
    hey guys, I've been meaning to try a Korean stick for a while, I know most people mod theirs due to preference but what would you guys say it's the best stock Korean stick? thanks.

    Myoungshin fanta stock would be your best bet if you are willing to drill a 35mm hole into your button panel. If not a crown 309mj is pretty good as well. I find s stock taeyoung to be very sloppy due to the shape of the actuator. Most ppl switch the actuator out for the myoungshin's but you would have to shave a little off the top to fit it in.

    Didn't Taeyoung get better? It used to be super-stiff, very hard to break it into a playable state. Can you elaborate more regarding the "actuator"?
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  • zero_requiemzero_requiem Joined: Posts: 55
    Agieze wrote: »
    the new seimitsu ls32/40 switches on focus attack and ordered some to see how they compare to Panasonic's since they're clones. I also ordered the omron switches that come with sanwa jlw just to see how they feel in a korean lever.

    The Omron switches are not panasonic clones. The clones in the story are the gersung. The new "seimitsu" switches for ls32/40 are just Omron V switches with the levers bent industrially to a precise angle...to imitate the best they could the AM5 from panasonic used by seimitsu .
    Omron in JLW are standard omron v.

    Oops that's what I meant to say. They wanted to make something similar but very unlikely that they would be identical. Luckily for me my fujin v2 came with the am5's.
  • zero_requiemzero_requiem Joined: Posts: 55
    edited August 14
    @VR-Fist it's just what other members on this forum recommended but since I have the golden fanta kit I never felt the need to do it. I don't mind stiff grommets since I only use the switches when it's like that. Softer grommets on the other hand I will ride the gate all day lol. My recommendation if you can't get used to it is to just get a softer grommet rather than breaking it in. The grommet will always revert back to its orignal state when it is not used for long periods of time. I find with softer grommets I tire more easily since my hand is more prone to doing larger motions so my preference is for it to be stiffer.
    Post edited by zero_requiem on
  • VR-FistVR-Fist Welcome to die! Joined: Posts: 320
    @zero_requiem Thanks. I got the Omni Korean Edition, should be coming sometime this week. It's with the soft tension rubber Taeyoung, so I expect it's going to be good. If not, Myoungshin is what I had my old Saulabi modded off before I switched to Japanese sticks for SF4, so I would get back to that, unless I find a better suggestion here.
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  • aaakeaaake Joined: Posts: 1
    wazwuz wrote: »
    Golden Crwon Preorder

    Opening preorder for the first batch of Golden Crown (for Crown 309)
    a set of Golden Crown consists of:
    Silicone grommets, clear 35 ; green 45 ; blue 55 ; red 65
    Brass Shaft. 8mm ; 9mm ; 10mm
    Bronze Actuator, 15mm ; 15,5mm ; 16mm
    Acrylic switch support
    (I still considering about making custom spring set)
    Price is 45USD/set
    shipping to USA is 20USD
    Estimated first batch will be ready around end of this month, or earlier.

    I don't want to let anyone down, I will make 20 sets for the first batch, this is the max sets can be done for the first batch.

    participant:
    @Bullmance
    @VarmintBaby
    @rbuniao
    @WHITE_4ND_N3RDY
    @zero_requiem
    @ewok
    @SirGoggles
    @blankaex
    @ak1
    @sinonick
    @Pobega
    @KrAzYsTeP
    @carcosa
    @Quasimoto
    @LordFu
    @DJ-Blitz
    @Mediastinum
    @ykd

    i would order one golden crown set if shipping is possible to finland?
  • zero_requiemzero_requiem Joined: Posts: 55
    edited August 14
    @VR-Fist no worries the soft grommet should work perfectly for you. Enjoy they etokki omni man it's amazing. When I bought my brothers omni I got him a myoungshin fanta as well just in case he didn't like the taeyoung. Turns out he liked the taeyoung better
  • SnubnozeSnubnoze Joined: Posts: 14
    I very much doubt it. If there was a way to modify the omron switches from a sanwa silent jlf that could work with 5 pin conversion. Another option would be to use a silent sanwa mod or optical haybusa at night lol.
    Has anyone tried Cherry microswitches? I have these on a JLF and they are damn near silent. Can't hear them at all in use on the stick.
  • masked ridermasked rider Henshin! Joined: Posts: 1,229
    Snubnoze wrote: »
    I very much doubt it. If there was a way to modify the omron switches from a sanwa silent jlf that could work with 5 pin conversion. Another option would be to use a silent sanwa mod or optical haybusa at night lol.
    Has anyone tried Cherry microswitches? I have these on a JLF and they are damn near silent. Can't hear them at all in use on the stick.
    Does Cherry make levered microswitches? Getting them to fit in a K-lever would take significant modifications if not.
  • sinonicksinonick Joined: Posts: 11
    edited August 14
    they make the D44Y, if they're anything like D44X, then they're very soft
    @masked rider no modification needed. it's a typical levered switch
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  • ProgressiveBalanceProgressiveBalance Lili - Heihachi - Akuma - Evil Ryu - Wolverine - Zero - Scorpion - Baiken - Mitsurugi Joined: Posts: 238
    I NEED HELP!
    I was looking to buy a Fujin V2 sometime in the future but hearing about them changing the switches doesn't make me very happy. Does anybody know a way of buying these switches? I know there exists a turquoise line that @agieze told me about but i know ill have to spend a lot buying in bulk, even if i can find a seller selling one that performs like the AM5 inside the fujin. arcadeworlduk is out of stock of there JMS crowns. I think focus attack is going to be selling A3s soon so I can't buy AM5s there. I have no idea about makestick, but they do sell A2s on there website because i asked for a way to buy some. I remember asking about the switches to rohan because lots of people seemed to be getting different switches and at that time A2 were seen as superior. He sent me a picture of the AM5, so I don't know if i could buy some from there or have to buy a MJ if the still have AM5s after so long.
  • rbuniaorbuniao Joined: Posts: 158
    Snubnoze wrote: »
    Has anyone tried Cherry microswitches? I have these on a JLF and they are damn near silent. Can't hear them at all in use on the stick.

    I've tried it once and I didn't like them at all. Too sensitive for my taste.
  • ProgressiveBalanceProgressiveBalance Lili - Heihachi - Akuma - Evil Ryu - Wolverine - Zero - Scorpion - Baiken - Mitsurugi Joined: Posts: 238
    @sinonick, KMS doesn't stand for Korean Micro Switch. It stands for Kill My Self, thats why they use A2s. I can see the confusion tho as A2s are Korean Gersungs. The fact that they named the stick HelpMe only conforms my claim. I can see the confusion again because HelpMe worked on this stick, but how are you going to name a stick HelpMe KMS and it not be on purpose. =) seriously tho it really is a a strange name.
  • zero_requiemzero_requiem Joined: Posts: 55
    edited August 14
    I NEED HELP!
    I was looking to buy a Fujin V2 sometime in the future but hearing about them changing the switches doesn't make me very happy. Does anybody know a way of buying these switches? I know there exists a turquoise line that @agieze told me about but i know ill have to spend a lot buying in bulk, even if i can find a seller selling one that performs like the AM5 inside the fujin. arcadeworlduk is out of stock of there JMS crowns. I think focus attack is going to be selling A3s soon so I can't buy AM5s there. I have no idea about makestick, but they do sell A2s on there website because i asked for a way to buy some. I remember asking about the switches to rohan because lots of people seemed to be getting different switches and at that time A2 were seen as superior. He sent me a picture of the AM5, so I don't know if i could buy some from there or have to buy a MJ if the still have AM5s after so long.

    I wouldn't worry too much a bout it man. I used my fujin v2 for about a month with A2's and it's hard for me to tell the difference between the A2's and AM5's. Maybe it has something to do with the switch positioning being much closer compared to the regular myoungshin fanta's. I main mostly mishimas and with the A2's in the fujin i can still do 10 electrics in a row consistently only using the switches and not touching the gate/collar . Gonna be testing out the "new" seitmitsu omron switches and old in my golden fanta kit when it arrives and I'll try to write a mini review on it. My advice is to just play with the different switches and see if you like it. If not then worry bout replacing the switches later. If it ain't broke don't fix it although I am type of person to try everything including the golden fanta kit in the fujin lol.
  • FatalFRAMEFatalFRAME Joined: Posts: 119
    Agieze wrote: »
    ewok wrote: »
    By the way, are there any silent switches for korean sticks? I've been having evening wifey problems as of late. Got my buttons silenced, but it seems that won't cut it.

    I very much doubt it. If there was a way to modify the omron switches from a sanwa silent jlf that could work with 5 pin conversion. Another option would be to use a silent sanwa mod or optical haybusa at night lol.

    SMS SilentMicroSwitch option exists for Crown models, can be mounted on Fanta, but they're just old style leafswitches with a plastic mounting base compatible with current microswitch mounting holes.
    Design and quality seem ..meh to me (only tried the old ones on old Crowns I think it was the 304, I do not know if the SMS switch quality changed since then. Old leafs were soft and flimsy) .

    There is always Panasonic switches which some 309s and Help Me 2nd gen models had. Not the exact same but can possibly work fine.

    these panasonics are one step softer than the ones used generally in K-levers. Classic Pana "Thai" switch in k-levers is supposedly 180gf, the discontinued panasonic switch for seimitsu is (verified) 120gf (or 118N) and thus EXACTLY the same (on paper) as the operating force of the Gersung A2 without the actuating problem.

    There are also the new Omron switches used in the new LS-32 models which are supposed to replace the Panasonic switches in old LS-32 models; you can try replacing the metal tab or straightening em out.

    you can't replace the hinge lever blade on omron V, the cases are closed with rivets. Good luck using the wrong lever from another brand , drilling through the rivet and risking ruining the internal mechanism with debris from the tooling. This trick only works with same brand (or compatible) blades, when cases are snap fit .
    These CUSTOM Omron V switches are also at 120gf, so same as Gersung GSM-V***A2 in operating force. Do NOT straighten the blades!! Seimitsu asked Omron to bend the blade upwards to reduce the deadzone , in order to imitate the discontinued panasonics (which have less max pretravel).
    If you straighten the blade, you'll never do a clean job, (the bending is done with machines, not by hand) and you'll lose that extra precision those custom omron V made specially for seimitsu have in comparison with stock omron V of same force and comparble gersing A2.
    in terms of sensitivity and precision :
    custom omron v for seimitsu (120gf) > stock omron v (120gf) >= gersung gsm-v***A2 (120gf)

    Wow, i had no idea those custom omron switches were rated at 120gf, im gunna have to try them now..Thats if my order even goes through at makestick for the fujin.
  • RokwhoRokwho Joined: Posts: 16
    edited August 14
    dont know if this is known but i purchased a hori huyabusa about a year ago from arcade world and these panasonics where in them there the softer ones i believe? no idea if they switched switches now also no prong arms on them so have to salvage them from another switch
    maybe of use to someone

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  • masked ridermasked rider Henshin! Joined: Posts: 1,229
    Update on the 309MJ: the grommet is really loose once it gets broken in. I think for a player new to Korean levers, the stock grommet is a good way to get used to the feel of rubber tension but probably most players will want to swap in a stiffer grommet sooner or later. The AM5's sensitivity is really pronounced when playing with such light tension.
  • eyeamg0dlyeyeamg0dly Joined: Posts: 3
    how does the stock 309mj tension feel compared to a stock sanwa jlf ?

    i kinda wan't a korean stick, but debating on building one or modding a japanese box with the mj
  • stringfellowstringfellow Custom Rig. Common Man. Joined: Posts: 14
    309MJ just arrived. With A3 switches to boot. Makestick does seems a bit silent on communicating, but they deliver. Not entirely sure if I wanna repeat that ordeal though.
  • ewgf87ewgf87 Joined: Posts: 7
    309MJ just arrived. With A3 switches to boot. Makestick does seems a bit silent on communicating, but they deliver. Not entirely sure if I wanna repeat that ordeal though.

    How long did it take you to receive your order from Makestick?
  • stringfellowstringfellow Custom Rig. Common Man. Joined: Posts: 14
    ewgf87 wrote: »
    309MJ just arrived. With A3 switches to boot. Makestick does seems a bit silent on communicating, but they deliver. Not entirely sure if I wanna repeat that ordeal though.

    How long did it take you to receive your order from Makestick?

    10 days since payment taken. Additional 2 days before that for them to accept payment on Paypal, so a total of 12 days since order submitted. And I'm located in South East Asia with a 5 hours flight distance away.

    Mentioned it earlier, it's not about the period waiting, it's the lack of communicating. Their website doesn't instil confidence, and their "order management" page hasn't change from "Payment Completed", until the order is practically on the delivery truck here.
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