Korean arcade parts discussion

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  • kkoldingkkolding Joined: Posts: 152
    edited October 2015
    I can test some for you got both crown and myoungshin and have all the different rubbers that is out there, so it would be easy for me to compare.
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  • jmanDMCjmanDMC Focusattack.com Joined: Posts: 2,512
    kkolding wrote: »
    I can test some for you got both crown and myoungshin and have all the different rubbers that is out there, so it would be easy for me to compare.

    Sounds good. Where are you located? I see Denmark CPH, but would like to confirm so either myself or @wazwuz will distribute the test kits.
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  • jey-arejey-are Intermediate Noob Joined: Posts: 80
    Agieze wrote: »
    They could just sell the switches,grommets and actuators seperately like sanwa and seimitsu already do, people would be a hell of a lot more into crown products if parts could be purchased as seperate units.

    I second this.
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  • jmanDMCjmanDMC Focusattack.com Joined: Posts: 2,512
    Okay - so I have at least two participants for testing. I don't yet know where @kkolding is located, but I can send @slaycruz a test unit with Fanta grommet and conversion kit, plus silicone grommet. I'll keep the option open for anyone else that may want to participate.
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  • hibachifinalhibachifinal 後方互換性 Joined: Posts: 1,642
    I have a myoungshin fanta setup on one of my sticks, I cant test the myoungshin grommet for sure if its still available. what i have is a newer stock myounshin (gsm-V1623A2 microswitches).
  • jmanDMCjmanDMC Focusattack.com Joined: Posts: 2,512
    I have a myoungshin fanta setup on one of my sticks, I cant test the myoungshin grommet for sure if its still available. what i have is a newer stock myounshin (gsm-V1623A2 microswitches).

    Sounds good. I still have plenty of units left of the Fanta grommet. I'll be in touch to get shipping details.
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  • slaycruzslaycruz Joined: Posts: 1,316
    jmanDMC wrote: »
    Okay - so I have at least two participants for testing. I don't yet know where @kkolding is located, but I can send @slaycruz a test unit with Fanta grommet and conversion kit, plus silicone grommet. I'll keep the option open for anyone else that may want to participate.


    Cant wait yo.
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  • kkoldingkkolding Joined: Posts: 152
    Sorry have been super busy lately i sent you a pm @jmanDMC
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  • jmanDMCjmanDMC Focusattack.com Joined: Posts: 2,512
    kkolding wrote: »
    Sorry have been super busy lately i sent you a pm @jmanDMC

    Got it - I'm trying to work with @wazwuz on international participants, while managing domestic USA ones. We'll be in touch.
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  • XianTKXianTK I'm just some dude. Joined: Posts: 13
    I can help out too if you need it. I have a Myoungshin Fanta that I've been wanting to put back in and a Crown 303-FK and N laying around, all three stock parts.
  • jmanDMCjmanDMC Focusattack.com Joined: Posts: 2,512
    XianTK wrote: »
    I can help out too if you need it. I have a Myoungshin Fanta that I've been wanting to put back in and a Crown 303-FK and N laying around, all three stock parts.

    Sounds good - where are you located?

    I'll finalize domestic participants by early next week and speak with @wazwuz about international.

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  • XianTKXianTK I'm just some dude. Joined: Posts: 13
    US, California to be exact. Let me know if you need anything else.
  • jmanDMCjmanDMC Focusattack.com Joined: Posts: 2,512
    XianTK wrote: »
    US, California to be exact. Let me know if you need anything else.

    Great - I'll be in touch.
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  • AznSensation45AznSensation45 Joined: Posts: 14
    Can I help with this too? I have a stock myoungshin and a crown fk with the rubber grommet upgrade from wazwuz.
  • jmanDMCjmanDMC Focusattack.com Joined: Posts: 2,512
    Can I help with this too? I have a stock myoungshin and a crown fk with the rubber grommet upgrade from wazwuz.

    I'll be in touch - are you domestic US or international?

    For others interested in participating, it is helpful to mention your country (USA or otherwise) so @wazwuz and I can compile testers by location.
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  • AznSensation45AznSensation45 Joined: Posts: 14
    US, Oregon to be exact. Sorry for not mentioning early.
  • jmanDMCjmanDMC Focusattack.com Joined: Posts: 2,512
    US, Oregon to be exact. Sorry for not mentioning early.

    No problem. I'll use this weekend to compile who we have so far. Next week, I'll cut some of the Fanta kits for those who can try installing it into a Fightstick. I can spare at a max of three of those kits since they use the Kowal flat plate converter.
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  • slaycruzslaycruz Joined: Posts: 1,316
    jmanDMC wrote: »
    US, Oregon to be exact. Sorry for not mentioning early.

    No problem. I'll use this weekend to compile who we have so far. Next week, I'll cut some of the Fanta kits for those who can try installing it into a Fightstick. I can spare at a max of three of those kits since they use the Kowal flat plate converter.

    I look forward to testing good sir.
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  • OrochiDemonOrochiDemon Joined: Posts: 1,537
    I mixed the myoungshin fanta conversion kit from FA with a crown 307 st that had the silicone grommet. I had to dremel the hole in my stick surface plate cause its a Tekken 5 ps2 stick body I converted into a custom stick.
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    First off, the silicone grommet did make diagonals easier to do in the 307, but quarter circles were a bit harder since it kinda wanted to stay at diagonal. I didnt really like the stiffer microswitches that the st came with.
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    Playing with the conversion grommet and microswitches is easier due to softer switches mainly. Even with the 307 actuator being larger than the 303 sticks theres a lot of deadzone, and I really have to break in the grommet to make it easier to play.
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    Overall I like that I got the conversion kit, but I need to find a way to eliminate the excess deadzone in the stick. I had to put weights in my stick though so that it wouldnt jerk around since its still stiff, but they loosen up over time right? Thats what I heard.
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  • jmanDMCjmanDMC Focusattack.com Joined: Posts: 2,512
    I mixed the myoungshin fanta conversion kit from FA with a crown 307 st that had the silicone grommet. I had to dremel the hole in my stick surface plate cause its a Tekken 5 ps2 stick body I converted into a custom stick.

    I'd like to ask @wazwuz if he recommends putting the kit in the 307 ST, since to my knowledge it was designed for the 303-FK. You're probably right that the switches may affect play, and indeed over time, a bit of wear and tear will get some of the stiffness out.
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  • wazwuzwazwuz Golden Fanta Project Joined: Posts: 352

    jmanDMC wrote: »
    I mixed the myoungshin fanta conversion kit from FA with a crown 307 st that had the silicone grommet. I had to dremel the hole in my stick surface plate cause its a Tekken 5 ps2 stick body I converted into a custom stick.

    I'd like to ask @wazwuz if he recommends putting the kit in the 307 ST, since to my knowledge it was designed for the 303-FK. You're probably right that the switches may affect play, and indeed over time, a bit of wear and tear will get some of the stiffness out.

    if it's fit in, maybe you can try it. but I don't have 307 so i can say it for sure. it was design for 303FK.
    yup after about a week, it well be break in.
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  • jmanDMCjmanDMC Focusattack.com Joined: Posts: 2,512
    Right now, we have the following participants for testing @Wazwuz's Fanta grommet, silicone grommet, and domestically, the Fanta kit:
    1. @slaycruz
    2. @AznSensation45
    3. @XianTK
    4. @kkolding

    kkolding is international; I believe @wazwuz can assist in sending units to him. I can issue my portion of the test units to others.

    This will represent the first phase of testing.

    The goal of the silicone grommet test is to see whether it comes close to the model touted as the official Tekken 7 unit. @wazwuz will follow up with details as to how we'll go about testing that, and the expected switch/actuator configuration.

    The objective of the Myoungshin Fanta grommet is to see whether the higher shore rating lends to a better overall experience. This is mainly an experiment.

    The kit I'm sending is a test to allow installation of the Fanta joystick into a common fightstick, such as the TE or TE2. The domestic units will ship out by Friday of this week.
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  • slaycruzslaycruz Joined: Posts: 1,316
    jmanDMC wrote: »
    Right now, we have the following participants for testing @Wazwuz's Fanta grommet, silicone grommet, and domestically, the Fanta kit:
    1. @slaycruz
    2. @AznSensation45
    3. @XianTK
    4. @kkolding

    kkolding is international; I believe @wazwuz can assist in sending units to him. I can issue my portion of the test units to others.

    This will represent the first phase of testing.

    The goal of the silicone grommet test is to see whether it comes close to the model touted as the official Tekken 7 unit. @wazwuz will follow up with details as to how we'll go about testing that, and the expected switch/actuator configuration.

    The objective of the Myoungshin Fanta grommet is to see whether the higher shore rating lends to a better overall experience. This is mainly an experiment.

    The kit I'm sending is a test to allow installation of the Fanta joystick into a common fightstick, such as the TE or TE2. The domestic units will ship out by Friday of this week.

    Do you need us to om you shipping info?
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  • jmanDMCjmanDMC Focusattack.com Joined: Posts: 2,512
    slaycruz wrote: »

    Do you need us to om you shipping info?

    Yes - I'll be in touch with each of you this week.
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  • OrochiDemonOrochiDemon Joined: Posts: 1,537
    edited November 2015
    The grommet and switches perfectly, its just stiff but Ill break it in more. The biggest thing I dont like is the deadzone being so wide. Gotta do a mod for that. haha!

    Sorry Ive been busy since I posted, but it is breaking in and I enjoy it, it even makes my execution on a hayabusha better.
  • hibachifinalhibachifinal 後方互換性 Joined: Posts: 1,642
    jmanDMC wrote: »
    Right now, we have the following participants for testing @Wazwuz's Fanta grommet, silicone grommet, and domestically, the Fanta kit:.

    oh was this only for crown fantas? i was interested in testing out the grommet for myoungshins :(
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    jmanDMC wrote: »
    Right now, we have the following participants for testing @Wazwuz's Fanta grommet, silicone grommet, and domestically, the Fanta kit:.

    oh was this only for crown fantas? i was interested in testing out the grommet for myoungshins :(

    This was also for the Myoungshin Fanta grommet; sorry if I didn't make that clean when I mentioned "Fanta grommet"

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    jmanDMC wrote: »
    jmanDMC wrote: »
    Right now, we have the following participants for testing @Wazwuz's Fanta grommet, silicone grommet, and domestically, the Fanta kit:.

    oh was this only for crown fantas? i was interested in testing out the grommet for myoungshins :(

    This was also for the Myoungshin Fanta grommet; sorry if I didn't make that clean when I mentioned "Fanta grommet"

    can i still get on the test kit? how much will it be?
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    can i still get on the test kit? how much will it be?

    The kit is free as part of a public testing phase. I believe you purchased from FA a while back. Has the shipping address changed?

    To others, I'm afraid that I have to limit the testing to domestic. @wazwuz recently explained that I have all of the silicone grommets he made at this time, and shipping from Indonesia is rather expensive. It's pretty expensive for me as well. I'm very sorry @kkolding. :s
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  • hibachifinalhibachifinal 後方互換性 Joined: Posts: 1,642
    jmanDMC wrote: »

    The kit is free as part of a public testing phase. I believe you purchased from FA a while back. Has the shipping address changed?

    cool. yeah its still the same. :) thanks.

  • DeadlywolfDeadlywolf Joined: Posts: 91
    I have an myoungshin fanta on my makestick pro. I'm interested in testing out that grommet for you guys :).
  • jmanDMCjmanDMC Focusattack.com Joined: Posts: 2,512
    Deadlywolf wrote: »
    I have an myoungshin fanta on my makestick pro. I'm interested in testing out that grommet for you guys :).

    Can you mention if you are domestic USA?
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  • DeadlywolfDeadlywolf Joined: Posts: 91
    edited November 2015
    jmanDMC wrote: »
    Deadlywolf wrote: »
    I have an myoungshin fanta on my makestick pro. I'm interested in testing out that grommet for you guys :).

    Can you mention if you are domestic USA?

    Oh, yes! I live in the US, Virginia.

    Edit: I do recall that I have a friend that has a stock 303fk. If I was handed a crown conversion kit as well I would give it to him to test it.
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    Deadlywolf wrote: »

    Oh, yes! I live in the US, Virginia.

    Edit: I do recall that I have a friend that has a stock 303fk. If I was handed a crown conversion kit as well I would give it to him to test it.

    I'll add you to the list. That is my max for the Fanta conversion kit (3pcs). I think we're okay on Fanta Crown upgrade kit, as it is already listed.
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    jmanDMC wrote: »
    Deadlywolf wrote: »

    Oh, yes! I live in the US, Virginia.

    Edit: I do recall that I have a friend that has a stock 303fk. If I was handed a crown conversion kit as well I would give it to him to test it.

    I'll add you to the list. That is my max for the Fanta conversion kit (3pcs). I think we're okay on Fanta Crown upgrade kit, as it is already listed.

    I have that rock hard rubber from an old Taeyoung fanta.
    Compared to the medium rubber on the Myoungshin I just thought the hard rubber was too stiff.
    I do think it would be interesting to see what happens if there was a rubber they tries to meet between medium and hard.

    Any chance in the future would you want to experiment with harder microswitches? I saw that the Crown 309 uses 400g Gersung switches. And from what I've heard the Crown 309 got a lot of good feedback.
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    @Deadlywolf I may look into it. These incremental changes to each model is actually helping to fracture the product lineup, however. We now have the 303, 307 and 309, each with variations on grommet and switch. I'll admit I'm not trying to carry all of them, because from experience, there are only a few choice configurations that people actually buy. The rest will sit in the warehouse, sadly.

    I recently learned from my supplier that Crown is offering a 60 Shore A grommet for the 307. This is a separate purchase. I'd rather have it installed with the existing model. For now, I'd like to see what tests using @wazwuz's models will turn up.
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    jmanDMC wrote: »
    @Deadlywolf I may look into it. These incremental changes to each model is actually helping to fracture the product lineup, however. We now have the 303, 307 and 309, each with variations on grommet and switch. I'll admit I'm not trying to carry all of them, because from experience, there are only a few choice configurations that people actually buy. The rest will sit in the warehouse, sadly.

    I recently learned from my supplier that Crown is offering a 60 Shore A grommet for the 307. This is a separate purchase. I'd rather have it installed with the existing model. For now, I'd like to see what tests using @wazwuz's models will turn up.

    I just want to throw this out there.

    I think hard rubber gourmets are more acceptable on arcade cabinets than it is on a regular consumer controller.

    Reason why I would say this is because arcade cabinets have a more stable panel. It doesn't shake, move or wobble around when players are doing high speed movements on a joystick.

    On a regular consumer arcade controller, when using an Korean stick with high tension rubber. I think more users would find themselves having to use their wrists and palm to keep the panel stable and from moving around so much. That's what I have to do with I use a really stiff joystick. I'd have my right wrist holding down the arcade stick so it wouldn't move/wobble. And it's not a very pleasant thing to do.

    I predict that it would be better to have slightly lower rubber tension on consumer arcade sticks vs what the rubber tension be on an official arcade panel.


    On a site note:

    I've seen Tekken players(Mr. Naps, Nobi, Ao, etc) on Sanwa sticks performing really well in Tekken. And Sanwa sticks are incredibly loose, barely any tension from their springs at all. And Tekken requires a lot of neutral inputs. So maybe hardrubber/spring isn't everything? I do notice Sanwa sticks are way more clicky than Korean sticks. What if Korean sticks felt clicky too? It's one of the reasons why I'm so curious to see what a k-stick with harder microswitches would be like.

    Oh! And I found this video. The creator claims he is using a Myoungshin Fanta with a more loose rubber.


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    Deadlywolf wrote: »
    I've seen Tekken players(Mr. Naps, Nobi, Ao, etc) on Sanwa sticks performing really well in Tekken. And Sanwa sticks are incredibly loose, barely any tension from their springs at all. And Tekken requires a lot of neutral inputs. So maybe hardrubber/spring isn't everything?

    Alternatively, I've seen Korean players such as Laugh and Infiltration performing really well in Street Fighter with Fanta sticks. IMO it's all about what the player likes best. Sanwas do return to neutral quickly enough and never snap in the opposite direction like my American Happ/IL sticks do. So in a game requiring neutral inputs, Sanwas do the job well also. IMO Sanwas also do a better job with diagonal inputs than Fantas, but that's just my opinion
  • AznSensation45AznSensation45 Joined: Posts: 14
    Yeah everyone is different. Some of the Japanese players however use the seimitsu stick in the cabs in addition to sanwas. For me I can still use a sanwa (first learned stick with one), but I hate it after first touching a korean stick. I think my movements are better with a sanwa stick in tekken, however I feel less confident and have to change the way I hold the stick. Honestly for me the reason why I hate using a sanwa is because of the lack of resistance. Even the stock consumer level k-sticks (myoungshin and crown fk303) disappoint me because the resistance is too little and the smoothness (crown) isn't there. All I want is to have something similar to this stick which I believe is the fujin stick that @kkolding has.

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    Right after I used that stick I started looking up mods and got the crown fanta hard and medium mod from @wazwuz which made the fk303 a little more tolerable, but still not to my liking.
  • The PhantomnautThe Phantomnaut Too obsessive over Korean arcade parts. Joined: Posts: 1,736
    edited November 2015
    Where the hell can you get that clear top? I always see that in Korean arcades. Unless it's exclusive to the dude who does the Fujin stick, I want the top only since I just want more grip. Crown's glossy tops feel weird after a bit of use and Myoungshin's isn't big enough. I even used the Sanwa bat tops (normal and clear) with a custom shaft and it doesn't feel right. Like both that top and the Green Game Land lever's top seems to be bigger.
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    You could use some sandpaper on your lever to make the grip better.
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  • The PhantomnautThe Phantomnaut Too obsessive over Korean arcade parts. Joined: Posts: 1,736
    edited November 2015
    Grip was probably not the best word but rather I want a top that covers my palm more than the existing stuff. I remember using KOFTEKKEN's Green lever and really like the bigger size. It's sorta subtle but I noticed it.
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    edited November 2015
    kkolding wrote: »
    You could use some sandpaper on your lever to make the grip better.

    I would use a very high grit sand paper (800 or finer), as a course sandpaper would only scratch.
    You want to just take off the very surface of that top, you are just knocking off the polished gloss.
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    I think @The Phantomnaut is referring to the size of the bat top. There was a stock myoungshin next to that one and it just felt super small and toy-like so I think I understand. Not only is the clear bat top bigger, but slightly gritty. I only use my thumb and index finger when I play with k-sticks, but the bigger bat top still improved comfort in my opinion.
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    Has anyone here tried to install the Crown 303-FK or 307 into the HRAP 4?
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    jmanDMC wrote: »
    Has anyone here tried to install the Crown 303-FK or 307 into the HRAP 4?

    It should fit no problem.
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    Has anyone played on the CWL-307FJ-JMS-ST crown that AS sells yet?
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  • XianTKXianTK I'm just some dude. Joined: Posts: 13
    jmanDMC wrote: »
    Has anyone here tried to install the Crown 303-FK or 307 into the HRAP 4?

    It should fit iirc. Went inside a friend's for some maintenance and the mount holes should still line up with JLF//Japanese mounts as well as having the room for it.
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    XianTK wrote: »
    jmanDMC wrote: »
    Has anyone here tried to install the Crown 303-FK or 307 into the HRAP 4?

    It should fit iirc. Went inside a friend's for some maintenance and the mount holes should still line up with JLF//Japanese mounts as well as having the room for it.
    slaycruz wrote: »
    jmanDMC wrote: »
    Has anyone here tried to install the Crown 303-FK or 307 into the HRAP 4?

    It should fit no problem.

    Thanks, guys. I had someone ask about this. While I have the HRAP 4, it's not opened up yet for experiments. :P
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  • slaycruzslaycruz Joined: Posts: 1,316
    jmanDMC wrote: »
    XianTK wrote: »
    jmanDMC wrote: »
    Has anyone here tried to install the Crown 303-FK or 307 into the HRAP 4?

    It should fit iirc. Went inside a friend's for some maintenance and the mount holes should still line up with JLF//Japanese mounts as well as having the room for it.
    slaycruz wrote: »
    jmanDMC wrote: »
    Has anyone here tried to install the Crown 303-FK or 307 into the HRAP 4?

    It should fit no problem.

    Thanks, guys. I had someone ask about this. While I have the HRAP 4, it's not opened up yet for experiments. :P

    I had one in an old vx-sa amd I know rhe hrap4 is thinner....i also have one in nhtranwhich is slimmer still and fits with no problem. 8)
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