Korean arcade parts discussion

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  • AgiezeAgieze Joined: Posts: 285
    kkolding wrote: »
    I can test some for you got both crown and myoungshin and have all the different rubbers that is out there, so it would be easy for me to compare.

    Did you happen to try the 309 yet? When you say you tried all the rubbers, did you try the normal tension airbag rubber (I think it's black) and the softer one (the bright red silicone) ? How would these compare to the crown 303 & 307?
  • jmanDMCjmanDMC Focusattack.com Joined: Posts: 2,512
    edited November 2015
    A quick update:
    1. @slaycruz
    2. @AznSensation45
    3. @XianTK
    4. @hibachifinal
    5. @Deadlywolf

    This is the current domestic ship list I have. I'm going to start cutting the Fanta kits today, and prepare shipments.

    First, of those listed, can I get a show of hands as to who owns a Fanta? Up to three will receive a kit with Kowal Flat Converter plate.
    Second, of those on the list, I have two with confirmed addresses. Can the remaining three contact me via PM with their addresses?


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  • XianTKXianTK I'm just some dude. Joined: Posts: 13
    You mean Myoungshin Fanta, right? If so, I have one.
  • jmanDMCjmanDMC Focusattack.com Joined: Posts: 2,512
    XianTK wrote: »
    You mean Myoungshin Fanta, right? If so, I have one.

    Yes, thanks.
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  • slaycruzslaycruz Joined: Posts: 1,316
    jmanDMC wrote: »
    A quick update:
    1. @slaycruz
    2. @AznSensation45
    3. @XianTK
    4. @Habichifinal
    5. @Deadlywolf

    This is the current domestic ship list I have. I'm going to start cutting the Fanta kits today, and prepare shipments.

    First, of those listed, can I get a show of hands as to who owns a Fanta? Up to three will receive a kit with Kowal Flat Converter plate.
    Second, of those on the list, I have two with confirmed addresses. Can the remaining three contact me via PM with their addresses?


    I have a myoungshin fanta crown 303 jap/k mount and 307 jap /k mount....and i have my hrap4 ready to test good sir.
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  • jmanDMCjmanDMC Focusattack.com Joined: Posts: 2,512
    edited November 2015
    slaycruz wrote: »

    I have a myoungshin fanta crown 303 jap/k mount and 307 jap /k mount....and i have my hrap4 ready to test good sir.

    Great - okay, @Hibichifinal says he has a Myoungshin Fanta, so we're covered for Kowal's Fanta kit. Again the goal of the kit is to install the Fanta into a typical Fightstick that will accept a JLF mount. All will receive the rubber grommets for testing.
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  • slaycruzslaycruz Joined: Posts: 1,316
    jmanDMC wrote: »
    slaycruz wrote: »

    I have a myoungshin fanta crown 303 jap/k mount and 307 jap /k mount....and i have my hrap4 ready to test good sir.

    Great - okay, @Hibichifinal says he has a Myoungshin Fanta, so we're covered for Kowal's Fanta kit. Again the goal of the kit is to install the Fanta into a typical Fightstick that will accept a JLF mount. All will receive the rubber grommets for testing.

    Ok sounds good...so will these be going out this week sometime then?
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  • The PhantomnautThe Phantomnaut Too obsessive over Korean arcade parts. Joined: Posts: 1,736
    edited November 2015
    Hibal tested a modded Crown lever based on the specs of Kazuya player Crazy Dongpal. I guess Crown is continuing with their player approved levers. Not sure if this will come out though. http://hibal.tistory.com/m/post/796

    It's based on the Crown CWL-307ST but instead of the stock silicone grommet, it's using the 309 Helpme version. To add to that, the lever is using Gersung switches and an actuator larger than the original 307. I don't know if the actuator is sized similarly to the 307ST iteration but it seems closest to it.

    While I would have to take out the silicone grommet from my modded Crown on my custom stick, I tried using similar specifications. From what I guess, Crazy Dongpal knew there could be improvement. With the combination of spare Gersung switches and the white actuator I have, I can see why. I get some weird input errors probably due to the actuator being relatively big though.
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  • slaycruzslaycruz Joined: Posts: 1,316
    @jmanDMC will these be going out this week? Just curious and excited to test these grommets and kowal mounting plates...
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  • jmanDMCjmanDMC Focusattack.com Joined: Posts: 2,512
    slaycruz wrote: »
    @jmanDMC will these be going out this week? Just curious and excited to test these grommets and kowal mounting plates...

    Yes - all will ship to those I have addresses to by Friday.
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  • NotaleftyNotalefty Joined: Posts: 18
    So my Myoungshin stick. I had to open it up to mess with some stuff and after closing it up it seemed like I couldn't hit the corners correctly, so I opened it up, spun the stick around a little, closed it and it performed as normal again. What could explain this? Does it need to be broken in because it's rubber? Should I be hearing the rubber when I perform motions with the stick?

    I don't know what "normal" is for the stick and it's not as if you can just ask anyone else.
  • kuradoberijamfrkuradoberijamfr Joined: Posts: 57
    My Myoungshin produces no noise other than from the switches when motions are performed on it.
    However it occured with my Taeyoung and after about 5 months, the center hole of the rubber ring through which the shaft goes had been enlarged, leaving behind a very large deadzone where no hardness is felt and thus, no recentering whatsoever.

  • NotaleftyNotalefty Joined: Posts: 18
    edited November 2015
    I constantly hear the rubber (or whatever it is) being sort of squeezed (or friction) on mine when inputting motions. I'll have to record it in case this is a problem that needs fixing, hopefully show what I'm trying to explain..


    Tried my best to show what I'm trying to explain.
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  • aabyssxaabyssx Joined: Posts: 39
    I usually apply some silicone grease to the rubber and shaft of all the levers I get. I am sure that it will help with the noise and it allowes the lever to spin, too.
  • kkoldingkkolding Joined: Posts: 152
    You might have turned to rubber upside down.
    Denmark CPH
  • kkoldingkkolding Joined: Posts: 152
    Agieze wrote: »
    kkolding wrote: »
    I can test some for you got both crown and myoungshin and have all the different rubbers that is out there, so it would be easy for me to compare.

    Did you happen to try the 309 yet? When you say you tried all the rubbers, did you try the normal tension airbag rubber (I think it's black) and the softer one (the bright red silicone) ? How would these compare to the crown 303 & 307?

    Haven't tried the 309 yet sorry, when i say i tried all the different rubbers I meant Myoungshin soft, medium and hard rubber. I also have a custom rubber from Green arcade it's a white silicone rubber it feels like something in between soft and medium, I love this rubber!
    Denmark CPH
  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 22,416
    kkolding wrote: »
    You might have turned to rubber upside down.

    I wonder how common this is?
    "You must defeat Sheng Long to stand a chance."
  • kkoldingkkolding Joined: Posts: 152
    I noticed the same thing happened to one of mine once, I had it flipped up side down. Also the rubber usually have some sort of powder on them, if you touched it to much, that would remove the powder and make it squeak.
    Denmark CPH
  • NotaleftyNotalefty Joined: Posts: 18
    edited November 2015
    I never dismantled the stick. It's possible I did rub the very bottom rubber part of the joystick while it was on my trousers. I feel dumb now. Can I put something on it to get it back to normal without having to buy an entirely new joystick?

    EDIT:
    Sorry was a quick response. I'll order some silicone gel from my local arcade stick retailer and hope it works. Having to order from Korea for replacements is a hell in itself with the delivery times and customs.
  • FabamaFabama Progenitor of the walk forward EX Grim Reaper Joined: Posts: 25
    @Notalefty I had this issue as well with my Fanta. I ended up putting some grease on the shaft of the stick where it contacts the rubber grommet then reassembled it. That seemed to solve my problem.
    Tekken is a pretty cool game.
  • NotaleftyNotalefty Joined: Posts: 18
    edited November 2015
    http://www.arcadeworlduk.com/products/Shin-Etsu-Silicone-Grease.html

    I planned to go with this expensive branded stuff because it seemed idiot proof. I haven't purchased it yet since it won't dispatch until Monday at the earliest. That said it would actually be cheaper, and less risky (as an idiot) to just buy an entirely new Myoungshin joystick to replace the one I have, if they are ready to go.
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  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 22,416
    Notalefty wrote: »
    http://www.arcadeworlduk.com/products/Shin-Etsu-Silicone-Grease.html

    I planned to go with this expensive branded stuff because it seemed idiot proof. I haven't purchased it yet since it won't dispatch until Monday at the earliest. That said it would actually be cheaper, and less risky (as an idiot) to just buy an entirely new Myoungshin joystick to replace the one I have, if they are ready to go.

    That the stuff most people use, Shin-Etsu or people use Dowcorning's Mollykote. The good thing about buying that tube is that would be a life time supply. Unless your business/ job was refurbishing/repairing sticks and arcade machines that tube last forever. You only need a pea sized amount for a stick.
    "You must defeat Sheng Long to stand a chance."
  • kkoldingkkolding Joined: Posts: 152
    I'm sure these lubes are only for sticks with springs?
    Denmark CPH
  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 22,416
    Its a dry silicone base grease, there no petroleum products in it.
    Honda dealerships use the same stuff to keep rubber seals weather striping from drying out on their cars and on their break pads.

    I don't know if it's necessary, but it's safe on rubber.
    "You must defeat Sheng Long to stand a chance."
  • The PhantomnautThe Phantomnaut Too obsessive over Korean arcade parts. Joined: Posts: 1,736
    edited November 2015
    Looks like Korea's Magiclab released the Magicstick M5 series. It uses a custom PS4 PCB with Sanwa buttons and a Seimitsu LS-58 clone. From what I noticed, the normal M5 is a bit smaller than the M5S. It doesn't seem like it can fit a full Korean lever like its past models unfortunately. You probably have to buy it from Korea only as well. :(

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    Also another look of Crown's CWL-307ST Crazy Dongpal version.



  • NotaleftyNotalefty Joined: Posts: 18
    The grease should arrive tomorrow. Just in advance, I am under the impression that it probably only need to be applied to the bottom rubber part of the stick just above the safety clip (thing), where the rubber part is going to make contact with the 4 metal switches? This would be the area where it was rubbing on my clothes while I was working with the buttons. Then it's a question of how much it needs and what to apply the grease with? I'll end up making a complete balls of it if I don't ask.
  • Angry AbelAngry Abel Joined: Posts: 384
    snip

    Nice! Very tempted to purchase this while I wait on a PS4 etokki.
  • The PhantomnautThe Phantomnaut Too obsessive over Korean arcade parts. Joined: Posts: 1,736
    Angry Abel wrote: »
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    Nice! Very tempted to purchase this while I wait on a PS4 etokki.

    The problem is that you will probably fine little to no way to get it if you live outside Korea. Unless you are planning a trip anytime soon or know a friend, getting the Magicstick M5 is extremely hard to purchase.
  • FabamaFabama Progenitor of the walk forward EX Grim Reaper Joined: Posts: 25
    edited November 2015
    Notalefty wrote: »
    The grease should arrive tomorrow. Just in advance, I am under the impression that it probably only need to be applied to the bottom rubber part of the stick just above the safety clip (thing), where the rubber part is going to make contact with the 4 metal switches? This would be the area where it was rubbing on my clothes while I was working with the buttons. Then it's a question of how much it needs and what to apply the grease with? I'll end up making a complete balls of it if I don't ask.

    Are you talking about the actuator? The black piece of plastic that contacts the metal switches. That's not what I would apply grease to. When my Myoungshin was making similar noises to yours, my issue was that there was too much friction between the shaft of the stick and the inside of the plastic portion of the rubber grommet inside the stick. When the shaft would spin against the inside of the grommet, it would squeak. I applied very little of the silicone based grease to the bottom part of the shaft that sat within the grommet and it solved my problem.

    So long as you have the stock grommet, this should not be an issue. Refer to @agieze post for more info on potential issues between the rubber and the lubricant.

    If I'm drastically incorrect on this one, please correct me.
    Tekken is a pretty cool game.
  • Angry AbelAngry Abel Joined: Posts: 384
    edited November 2015
    Angry Abel wrote: »
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    Nice! Very tempted to purchase this while I wait on a PS4 etokki.

    The problem is that you will probably fine little to no way to get it if you live outside Korea. Unless you are planning a trip anytime soon or know a friend, getting the Magicstick M5 is extremely hard to purchase.

    I live in Korea.

    I have an etokki (korean version) and a makestick.

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    Both very fine sticks.
  • NotaleftyNotalefty Joined: Posts: 18
    edited November 2015
    Fabama wrote: »
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    Okay. Do I need to take the joystick apart somehow to apply it where you say? I don't know exactly what that part is, if it's accessible or how to reach it. I took a picture in case it can be pointed out.

    https://www.sli.mg/YBFGgh

  • FabamaFabama Progenitor of the walk forward EX Grim Reaper Joined: Posts: 25
    Notalefty wrote: »
    Fabama wrote: »
    Snip

    Okay. Do I need to take the joystick apart somehow to apply it where you say? I don't know exactly what that part is, if it's accessible or how to reach it. I took a picture in case it can be pointed out.

    https://www.sli.mg/YBFGgh

    In my case, I took the e-clip off (this part: http://i.imgur.com/fe9P38C.jpg ). Then I removed the bat-top, placed a small amount of the silicone grease on the bottom half of the shaft which sits inside the rubber grommet in the stick's housing, put it back into the housing and replaced the e-clip. When you take the e-clip off, the actuator will probably come out (this part: http://i.imgur.com/O8fEoq5.jpg ) , so make sure to keep a hold of it.

    You would probably be benefited by taking the stick out of the case and taking it all the way apart just to get a reference for how it goes together and where exactly the shaft contacts the rubber grommet. It'll give you a better idea of where the friction is that's causing the noise (at least in my case this was the issue).
    Tekken is a pretty cool game.
  • DARTHLORD_SVDARTHLORD_SV Joined: Posts: 32
    hey guys, I'll buy the joystick crown 307 ST sold by FA but I want to know if I need to change it to improve and if so what should I buy more? thanks for youre help..
  • NotaleftyNotalefty Joined: Posts: 18
    I finally worked up the nuts to take the stick apart. Last time I tried I fucked the Sanwa stick in such a fashion that I ended up just selling the entire arcade stick but the Korean stick parts are so much more simple to put together. For lack of anything to apply the silicone with I ended up just putting the stick shaft straight into the tube of grease, job done. Put it back together super easily, no springs and crap, just 1 piece of plastic and the washer. She's now super smooth and no more creaking, smooth as butter, even better than it was when I first got it so I guess it was a problem that was going to arise from use rather than something I did, because I don't see how I could've touched the part that needed grease. For anyone else, the hardest part is literally just getting the e-clip off because I stabbed myself in the thumb with a flathead screwdriver.

    Thanks for your patience fellas, couldn't have figured it out without your help.
  • kkoldingkkolding Joined: Posts: 152
    Notalefty wrote: »
    For anyone else, the hardest part is literally just getting the e-clip off because I stabbed myself in the thumb with a flathead screwdriver.
    ouch! glad you figured it out, interesting that you find it better then when you got it.

    Denmark CPH
  • CRITICALSHOTCRITICALSHOT "All Bricks" Joined: Posts: 136
    The Crown CWL-307FJ-JMS-ST Joystick - The durometer put the level of shore A rating of 55.

    What is the Crown CWL-307F-J-W Joystick - What is it rated at?

    What is the Crown 303-FK Korean Joystick - What is it rated at?

    I was wondering because I wanted something closer to the Myoungshin Fanta stick without the mod for the 303. Of the three listed, which is the stiffest?
  • jmanDMCjmanDMC Focusattack.com Joined: Posts: 2,512
    The Crown CWL-307FJ-JMS-ST Joystick - The durometer put the level of shore A rating of 55.

    What is the Crown CWL-307F-J-W Joystick - What is it rated at?

    What is the Crown 303-FK Korean Joystick - What is it rated at?

    I was wondering because I wanted something closer to the Myoungshin Fanta stick without the mod for the 303. Of the three listed, which is the stiffest?

    @CRITICALSHOT I got your message and posted some photos of the test results I got from the Shore A Durometer.

    I'll post my results here for a response by others here. I'm open to criticism if measured wrong.

    Crown 303-FK: 35 Shore A

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    Myoungshin Fanta: 42 Shore A

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    Crown CWL-307F-J-W: 55 Shore A

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    Fanta Mod Grommet: 58 Shore A => 60 Shore A

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  • FlyFly Joined: Posts: 33
    Yo! I've been trying out new sticks lately and recently bought a Crown 303N. This is my first Korean styled joystick and I'm wondering how long it takes to break one of these bad boys in. I also purchased the Myoungshin Crown configuration as well, I understand its supposed to imitate the Myoungshin Fanta.

    So far, the Myoungshin Crown grommit is ridiculously stiff (heheh) and is very unusable for me.

    I bought a Myoungshin Fanta grommit from etokki thinking it would fit into the Crown, but apparently it doesn't? I honestly would like to try a Fanta, but I don't want to have to mod my stick so that I can test out a Fanta :s

    Is there a model of the Fanta I can use on my stick without having to mod the case?

    Thanks! =)
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  • Antonio-o-oAntonio-o-o Joined: Posts: 326
    Fly wrote: »
    Is there a model of the Fanta I can use on my stick without having to mod the case?

    Thanks! =)

    At the moment: no.

    I would suggest giving the crown-fanta kit mod another go around, but this perhaps try switches of lower resistance to compensate for the stiffer grommet. You might find a combination that's more to your liking. You may be surprised how big a difference this makes.
  • el grecoel greco Lite Dash Joined: Posts: 361
    Out of curiosity, any idea what they used during King of the Iron Fist for the Koreans? it had a white bat top.
  • FlyFly Joined: Posts: 33
    I would suggest giving the crown-fanta kit mod another go around, but this perhaps try switches of lower resistance to compensate for the stiffer grommet. You might find a combination that's more to your liking. You may be surprised how big a difference this makes.

    Thanks for the suggestion! I believe the mod kit comes with sensitive switches off top, but I'm sure that there are better/more sensitive ones around. I'll definitely try it out, thanks again.
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  • Antonio-o-oAntonio-o-o Joined: Posts: 326
    Right right, it does come with those Gersung A2s, but to your point there are more sensitive--lower gram force--switches available. You may have better luck with 125gf switches; I believe Omron makes a number of switches under 200gf.
  • kkoldingkkolding Joined: Posts: 152
    el greco wrote: »
    Out of curiosity, any idea what they used during King of the Iron Fist for the Koreans? it had a white bat top.

    They use a special modified Myoungshin fanta.

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  • ?AC?AC Joined: Posts: 95 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    edited December 2015
    Does anyone know what the difference is with the crown309 compared to the crown303 on etokki . i know the 307 is suppose to have bigger actuator and harder rubber compared to the crown303 on etokki .
  • The PhantomnautThe Phantomnaut Too obsessive over Korean arcade parts. Joined: Posts: 1,736
    The 303 and 309 have a similar, if not exactly, bottom end including the actuator. The only difference I noticed is that the 309 bears a shorter top collar the 307 has so reaching the edges is sooner than later found on the 303.
  • ?AC?AC Joined: Posts: 95 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    edited December 2015
    oh cool thx . so its exactly the same as the 303 .
  • The PhantomnautThe Phantomnaut Too obsessive over Korean arcade parts. Joined: Posts: 1,736
    ?AC wrote: »
    oh cool thx . so its exactly the same as the 303 .

    Collars are different so not the exact same.
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    Hibachi final posted this on Twitter...the 309 does have a bigger actuator.
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  • BolSadguyBolSadguy Toronto Stick Modder Joined: Posts: 1,556
    I wanna revive my old HRAP V3 Kai that I haven't used since I got my TE2. I wanna make it full Korean with a Myoungshin Fanta and Crown Buttons; anyone know if it's possible to mount those in the V3 Kai's body?
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