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  • RokwhoRokwho Joined: Posts: 52
    recent fujin's from makestick have non removable bat tops im guesing thats why there marked like so
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  • kimjongskillkimjongskill Joined: Posts: 10
    For those who got the Fujin lever from Makestick recently, can you remove the top or is it glued in?

    The reason I ask is that there is a modified version of the Fujin V2 now being sold from the creator where the top can be removed. He is also selling replacement mounting plates for Japanese mounting systems. Hopefully Makestick or another place sells that version in the future.
    Does anyone have a readable schematic/datasheet/engineering drawing for the CROWN CWL-309MJ-KMS-ST25? I cannot find one.

    Here you go. Not the most accurate but you can use the other charts from the other levers to compensate. http://samducksa.com/new/product/index_view.php?UidNum=373

    Awesome thanks. Do you happen to know if the st35 and st45 grommets for sale in places like focus attack are compatible with this stick? It looks that way. Also of any sources for oversized actuators?

    Yup they should work but you have to replace the plastic bushings since they are different. As for oversized actuators, @wazwuz has the Golden Crown project. Whenever he will do another shipment of units, he will post it here.

    Yh my Fujin from makestick has a non-removable top. Thanks for the link, after really liking the fujin I've been keeping my eye on the stock as it would be nice to have a replacement incase anything happens to my current one down the link. Do they ship internationally, sites a bit harder to navigate than makestick being all in korean.

    Also it says the switches are either the panasonic am51630c69n or am51610c69n. Given that there's such little stock of the discontinued panasonic switches left (which we were lucky to get in the latest Fujin batch from makestick) I'm guessin it's most likely these fujin's will come with the am51610. Does anyone know what those are, the site says the have the "same performance".
  • MeiliIsCharmMeiliIsCharm Joined: Posts: 25
  • masked ridermasked rider Henshin! Joined: Posts: 1,264

    The Crown 309MJ? Lots of people have those. I've got one I'm using for Tekken right now. Not a fan of the latex material they use for the bat top, but that's easily replaced by ordering a JLF conversion shaft and Sanwa LB30 bat top. Also the 25A grommet they use in the MJ models is too light for my taste. I've got the 35A grommet on the way, so it'll essentially be the same as the stock Korean mount version 309. I have Panasonic switches in mine, but I believe all the newer ones will have Gersung A3 switches due to the Panasonics being discontinued.
  • The PhantomnautThe Phantomnaut Too obsessive over Korean arcade parts. Joined: Posts: 1,843
    edited October 10

    The Crown 309MJ? Lots of people have those. I've got one I'm using for Tekken right now. Not a fan of the latex material they use for the bat top, but that's easily replaced by ordering a JLF conversion shaft and Sanwa LB30 bat top. Also the 25A grommet they use in the MJ models is too light for my taste. I've got the 35A grommet on the way, so it'll essentially be the same as the stock Korean mount version 309. I have Panasonic switches in mine, but I believe all the newer ones will have Gersung A3 switches due to the Panasonics being discontinued.

    It's the Kaze modded 309. It's offered in normal, flat and MJ models.

    Also 99% of us probably never tried it yet because ISTMall exclusive.
  • masked ridermasked rider Henshin! Joined: Posts: 1,264

    The Crown 309MJ? Lots of people have those. I've got one I'm using for Tekken right now. Not a fan of the latex material they use for the bat top, but that's easily replaced by ordering a JLF conversion shaft and Sanwa LB30 bat top. Also the 25A grommet they use in the MJ models is too light for my taste. I've got the 35A grommet on the way, so it'll essentially be the same as the stock Korean mount version 309. I have Panasonic switches in mine, but I believe all the newer ones will have Gersung A3 switches due to the Panasonics being discontinued.

    It's the Kaze modded 309. It's offered in normal, flat and MJ models.

    Also 99% of us probably never tried it yet because ISTMall exclusive.

    Oh, I see. My bad. I'd be interested in hearing how it's different from the stock 309.
  • MeiliIsCharmMeiliIsCharm Joined: Posts: 25
    edited October 10

    The Crown 309MJ? Lots of people have those. I've got one I'm using for Tekken right now. Not a fan of the latex material they use for the bat top, but that's easily replaced by ordering a JLF conversion shaft and Sanwa LB30 bat top. Also the 25A grommet they use in the MJ models is too light for my taste. I've got the 35A grommet on the way, so it'll essentially be the same as the stock Korean mount version 309. I have Panasonic switches in mine, but I believe all the newer ones will have Gersung A3 switches due to the Panasonics being discontinued.

    It's the Kaze modded 309. It's offered in normal, flat and MJ models.

    Also 99% of us probably never tried it yet because ISTMall exclusive.

    Oh, I see. My bad. I'd be interested in hearing how it's different from the stock 309.

    Actually it's only offered in flat, the MJ and normal models are placeholders and have no ETA on when or if they will be made available. As for the actual improvements, judging from the reviews and description, it seems to fix the diagonals not registering properly on the newer 309 batches with the gersungs instead of panasonics.
    You know, maybe I should just bite the bullet and buy it, test it out for you guys. Reviews say that it's good and the diagonals are sensitive and quick(too quick according to some but they're probably just not used to good diagonals)
    Edit: it says that they fixed something about the actuator. No information on the changes otherwise.
  • MariosMarios Joined: Posts: 53
    edited October 10
    @MeiliIsCharm am intrested to test a crown stick aswell i am about to order a 309 not the flat one with the colar am not good with names , they are not good ? shall i cancel the order now that i still can ?
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  • MariosMarios Joined: Posts: 53
    @Rokwho i so want to try one of those Fujin levers i can never fidn them when did u buy it adn from where ? also are u selling it ?
  • RokwhoRokwho Joined: Posts: 52
    edited October 10
    Marios wrote: »
    @Rokwho i so want to try one of those Fujin levers i can never fidn them when did u buy it adn from where ? also are u selling it ?

    was brought from makestick about two months ago it is a very unique lever with a real short throw simular to crown's 309's the execution on directions is very precise however the grommit is very stiff i have been using it with a fanta soft grommit.
    Im not using it now as i have gone back to golden fanta as i prefer a longer throw but not looking to sell myn as i want it for the collection. Maybe ask zero_requiem he has a few he might part with
  • MeiliIsCharmMeiliIsCharm Joined: Posts: 25
    edited October 10
    Marios wrote: »
    @MeiliIsCharm am intrested to test a crown stick aswell i am about to order a 309 not the flat one with the colar am not good with names , they are not good ? shall i cancel the order now that i still can ?

    First of all, if you order the vanilla 309 with a long collar, you need a joystick body that can accept Korean joysticks.
    The MJ and flat versions can go into any standard Japanese setup. You would need a 5 pin to 8 pin converter though.
    Marios wrote: »
    @Rokwho i so want to try one of those Fujin levers i can never fidn them when did u buy it adn from where ? also are u selling it ?

    It's only sold in the Korean naver cafe AirbagLeverLabs(rough translation), so good luck finding one if you don't have Korean contacts that can buy for you. Alternatively, you can try asking them in Korean.
  • MariosMarios Joined: Posts: 53
    @MeiliIsCharm thanks so much for the info i have an omni etokki so i guess ill be fine with the kstick , i can see teh 309 kaze mod at istmall website i cant buy from there ?also fujin sometimes apear on focusattack or other stick selling websites
  • MeiliIsCharmMeiliIsCharm Joined: Posts: 25
    Marios wrote: »
    @MeiliIsCharm thanks so much for the info i have an omni etokki so i guess ill be fine with the kstick , i can see teh 309 kaze mod at istmall website i cant buy from there ?also fujin sometimes apear on focusattack or other stick selling websites

    If you have an etokki omni just buy the original kazes as they are tried, tested and proven.
  • MariosMarios Joined: Posts: 53
    @MeiliIsCharm what you mean original kaze ? kaze lever you mean ? i own one of the old generation with the panasonic microswitches. its really good i just want to try crown to see if it feels better in my hand .
  • MeiliIsCharmMeiliIsCharm Joined: Posts: 25
    Marios wrote: »
    @MeiliIsCharm what you mean original kaze ? kaze lever you mean ? i own one of the old generation with the panasonic microswitches. its really good i just want to try crown to see if it feels better in my hand .

    Then try the kaze modded 309s I talked about, if you can get them to ship
  • AgiezeAgieze Joined: Posts: 315
    edited October 10
    Also it says the switches are either the panasonic am51630c69n or am51610c69n. Given that there's such little stock of the discontinued panasonic switches left (which we were lucky to get in the latest Fujin batch from makestick) I'm guessin it's most likely these fujin's will come with the am51610. Does anyone know what those are, the site says the have the "same performance".

    am51610c69n is simply the SPDT version of the SPST-NO am51630c69n, all other specs being identical.
    All korean stick manufacturers who use panasonic switches seem to have access to the same stock with erroneous reference numbers . Both refs are wrong anyways, even the one for the spdt version, as they correspond to the pin plunger (lever-less) type, when instead they are clearly hinge lever type.
  • zero_requiemzero_requiem Joined: Posts: 201
    edited October 10
    @Rokwho I don't find the throw on the fujin short at all. With the mj you barely push on it and it's already touching the collar lol. The motions on the fujin are very wide and similar to the myoungshin. Take it from me since my battop is so smooth and very clear I've easily put over 300hrs on it. While the switches may be closer together and uses a 10mm shaft it has a 15mm actuator.

    @Marios I can't part with any of my fujins because all the switches are removed and split between my taeyoung and myoungshin with golden fanta parts. Makestick should be getting more in stock soon but they will most like come with A3s. You have spare thai switches so it's all good if they do come with A3s. Maybe ask @ykd if he will part with 1 out of his 3 but it will most likely not come with AM5s but A2s instead.
  • masked ridermasked rider Henshin! Joined: Posts: 1,264
    Does anyone know if removing the spring will cause any problems with the 309? It might be my imagination but I feel like I miss more inputs with it removed.
  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 24,241
    Does anyone know if removing the spring will cause any problems with the 309? It might be my imagination but I feel like I miss more inputs with it removed.

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  • MariosMarios Joined: Posts: 53
    @zero_requiem what is thai switches ? i have few panasonic switches , A3 an A2 could you tell me what and why i should replace when and if i get a Fujin ?
  • FonguitosFonguitos Joined: Posts: 6
    Idk if this is the right thread but I need help. I want to make a custom case for my korean arcade stick but all the projects/blueprints that I found is for Fanta Stick + Sanwa buttons. I need a specific project for korean buttons :( please help guys
  • zero_requiemzero_requiem Joined: Posts: 201
    @Marios thai switches are the Panasonic AM5s. If you order the next batch of fujin v2 and they come with A3s I would just throw on the Panasonic switches that you have on it. That way you get to experience the fujin the way it's meant to be. With the fujin being as stiff as it is it will feel way stiffer with A3s.
  • el grecoel greco Lite Dash Joined: Posts: 369
    Fonguitos wrote: »
    Idk if this is the right thread but I need help. I want to make a custom case for my korean arcade stick but all the projects/blueprints that I found is for Fanta Stick + Sanwa buttons. I need a specific project for korean buttons :( please help guys

    203C%20Spec1.jpg

    Scroll down to CROWN 203

    http://www.kowal.itcom.pl/ArcadeParts_pliki/asLEY.htm
  • thelordlonewolfthelordlonewolf Joined: Posts: 25
    edited October 11
    el greco wrote: »
    Fonguitos wrote: »
    Idk if this is the right thread but I need help. I want to make a custom case for my korean arcade stick but all the projects/blueprints that I found is for Fanta Stick + Sanwa buttons. I need a specific project for korean buttons :( please help guys

    203C%20Spec1.jpg

    Scroll down to CROWN 203

    http://www.kowal.itcom.pl/ArcadeParts_pliki/asLEY.htm
    traditional korean buttons are made for 28mm holes like american ones, no?
  • sadboysadboy Joined: Posts: 64
    I haven't had much luck with Korean buttons. At one point, the CWB-207H piqued my interest, as they were loose imitations of Green Game Land buttons, but I haven't seen them for sale. Not to mention, I'm not fond of how loud some of the buttons are. If there was a button with the feel of the CWB-203C, with the sound of the CWB-203A, I would keep my 28mm button template.
  • The PhantomnautThe Phantomnaut Too obsessive over Korean arcade parts. Joined: Posts: 1,843
    sadboy wrote: »
    I haven't had much luck with Korean buttons. At one point, the CWB-207H piqued my interest, as they were loose imitations of Green Game Land buttons, but I haven't seen them for sale. Not to mention, I'm not fond of how loud some of the buttons are. If there was a button with the feel of the CWB-203C, with the sound of the CWB-203A, I would keep my 28mm button template.

    The 207H and 203C buttons are the same but the former has quick disconnect system. There is always Happ or IL buttons.
  • FonguitosFonguitos Joined: Posts: 6
    el greco wrote: »
    Fonguitos wrote: »
    Idk if this is the right thread but I need help. I want to make a custom case for my korean arcade stick but all the projects/blueprints that I found is for Fanta Stick + Sanwa buttons. I need a specific project for korean buttons :( please help guys

    http://www.etokki.com/image/data/203C Spec1.jpg

    Scroll down to CROWN 203

    http://www.kowal.itcom.pl/ArcadeParts_pliki/asLEY.htm

    This will help me a lot, although this seems to be REALLY spaced out. So I just narrow things a bit when cutting the panel.
    The thing I really wanted is an AstroCity layout to korean buttons (because I have an Hori SCV stick) but Viewlix style (like the one in the page) will do.
  • MariosMarios Joined: Posts: 53
    @zero_requiem ah i see good thing i ordered few panasonic to have around then , altho i was wondering i really love the kaze idea and i can see that ewgfs are so fast with kaze lever with softer microswitch for down input was wondering how i can reproduce on the fujin lever
  • MariosMarios Joined: Posts: 53
    @masked rider i was about to order a 309 i wanna see the feeling of the stick but all the korean friends screaming not to do it because the diagonal inputs are fucked up with that lever , and 309 Mj moded by kaze exclusive at istmall if i remember correct is the one that works good .
  • sadboysadboy Joined: Posts: 64
    sadboy wrote: »
    I haven't had much luck with Korean buttons. At one point, the CWB-207H piqued my interest, as they were loose imitations of Green Game Land buttons, but I haven't seen them for sale. Not to mention, I'm not fond of how loud some of the buttons are. If there was a button with the feel of the CWB-203C, with the sound of the CWB-203A, I would keep my 28mm button template.

    The 207H and 203C buttons are the same but the former has quick disconnect system. There is always Happ or IL buttons.

    I was looking at your review earlier. It's good to know. Thanks.
  • masked ridermasked rider Henshin! Joined: Posts: 1,264
    Marios wrote: »
    @masked rider i was about to order a 309 i wanna see the feeling of the stick but all the korean friends screaming not to do it because the diagonal inputs are fucked up with that lever , and 309 Mj moded by kaze exclusive at istmall if i remember correct is the one that works good .

    Diagonal issues came from using Gersung A2 switches when it was designed to be used with Panasonic AM5 switches. They've since switched to A3 switches which seems to alleviate the issue. But if the Kaze mod does make diagonals function better with the A3 that would be worth trying.
  • zero_requiemzero_requiem Joined: Posts: 201
    edited October 12
    Marios wrote: »
    @zero_requiem ah i see good thing i ordered few panasonic to have around then , altho i was wondering i really love the kaze idea and i can see that ewgfs are so fast with kaze lever with softer microswitch for down input was wondering how i can reproduce on the fujin lever

    I find electrics to be super fast with fujin already. It will never feel like the kaze because the throw is much wider. They both use 10mm shafts so the only thing left to match is the actuator which is 15mm on fujin and 16/16.5 on kaze...i keep forgetting since it's been awhile since I compared them. Golden fanta actuators fit but it will destroy the metal plate on the fujin since the actuator is made of manganese bronze. Only lever imo that can somewhat match the feel and speed of a kaze is the 309 and even with that the throw is even shorter. The throw on the 309 is so ridiculously short that it feels like I'm using a ps4 controller joystick lmfao.
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  • eyeamg0dlyeyeamg0dly Joined: Posts: 61
    in case anyone is looking for am5's, i just got some with my helpme 309 that i ordered from paradise.
  • MariosMarios Joined: Posts: 53
    @zero_requiem i can just put the actuator from kaze and yes golden fanta damages some sticks i havent figured the reason .have you moded your 309 with diffrent microswitches ?
  • thelordlonewolfthelordlonewolf Joined: Posts: 25
    edited October 13
    Anyone have experience installing a korean stick with japanese mount on a mad catz tes+? Maybe i try to install the 309 kaze or the normal mj309.

    But the tes+ already have problems to install a hayabusa stick.......

    Or maybe i just buy a kai 4, i think is easy to install a mj309 in that stick.
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  • zero_requiemzero_requiem Joined: Posts: 201
    edited October 13
    Marios wrote: »
    @zero_requiem i can just put the actuator from kaze and yes golden fanta damages some sticks i havent figured the reason .have you moded your 309 with diffrent microswitches ?

    The kaze actuator won't fit on the fujin shaft so you'd have to use the kaze shaft as well. Having such a big actuator on the fujin would make it feel very sloppy. The switch positioning is designed to be used
    with the 15mm actuator which means if you use a bigger actuator you're going to be pushing the hinges inward which is not a good thing. The taeyoung, myoungshin and 309 are different in this regard because they all use bigger actuators. I've used am5s on my 309 and hated it and ended up putting back the original a3s.
  • masked ridermasked rider Henshin! Joined: Posts: 1,264
    I've used am5s on my 309 and hated it and ended up putting back the original a3s.

    Out of curosity, how different does the A3 feel from AM5 in the 309?
  • RokwhoRokwho Joined: Posts: 52
    @wazwuz Good to see saint was using your stick at SEA majors !
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    Rokwho wrote: »
    @wazwuz Good to see saint was using your stick at SEA majors !

    edit: well he atempted to use it lol connection issue by the looks of it
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