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Korean arcade parts discussion

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  • FuturespectFuturespect Joined: Posts: 68
    edited January 18
    Guys, does anyone know the correct mounting thickness for a Crown 309 with a flat Japanese plate (no collar)? I've 5/8" MDF with 3mm plexi, and I'm guessing I need to take 1/8" out of the MDF.

    Also, is there a Makestick contact here? I'd like to order the HelpMe, but they only show it with a red top and I'd like black. And I'd like to confirm that their Japanese plate is the totally flat one. Here in the UK it seems to be called the 309FJ-JMS-ST35 HelpMe. I dunno if that's with A2s or A3s.

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    Oh, and can I buy official bolts for mounting? I'm planning to countersink the boltheads under the plexi. Thanks.
  • RokwhoRokwho Joined: Posts: 59
    Guys, does anyone know the correct mounting thickness for a Crown 309 with a flat Japanese plate (no collar)? I've 5/8" MDF with 3mm plexi, and I'm guessing I need to take 1/8" out of the MDF.

    Also, is there a Makestick contact here? I'd like to order the HelpMe, but they only show it with a red top and I'd like black. And I'd like to confirm that their Japanese plate is the totally flat one. Here in the UK it seems to be called the 309FJ-JMS-ST35 HelpMe. I dunno if that's with A2s or A3s.

    [edit]

    Oh, and can I buy official bolts for mounting? I'm planning to countersink the boltheads under the plexi. Thanks.

    the plate is the same thickness as a myoungshin plate or any other crown plate you may have 2-3mm collarless 309fj is completly flat yes as for mounting height in your stick thats down to preference as you have that option
    arcadeworlduk stock the same lever with all colours it would be quicker to order from there and more than likely will come with A3 switches

  • FuturespectFuturespect Joined: Posts: 68
    edited January 19
    I know it's down to preference, but I figure there must be an official height for cabs? The collar on the Korean plate's 15mm and about 2mm of that seems visible above the panel, giving a mounting depth of 1/2". But without that collar I wouldn't have a guide, and it's a lot easier to remove MDF than add it back in!

    @Marios — what's the price for the HelpMe direct to the UK? I'm looking to order a black one with an FJ plate, four nuts and countersunk bolts for a 1/2"+ panel, and the modular IST-Brook board with its cables ($46.50 from Makestick). Although in your clip he says: “I never believe ISTmall is fake”. So it sounds to me like the IST copies are legit, but just not checked by him.

    Does anyone know if that Brook board's okay, by the way? I don't need the Switch and Xbox support of the Universal. Otherwise I'll buy the PS4 one with terminals.
  • MariosMarios Joined: Posts: 76
    @Futurespect i have no idea , btw the clip its for his levers doesnt talk for all istmall , the helpme levers that istmall and the rest are selling are fake he says
  • FuturespectFuturespect Joined: Posts: 68
    But how do you infer that from his words there? “I never believe... ISTmall... is fake.”

    He says the last bit in an accusatory tone, I agree, but was there any more than that? It sounds like it's missing a qualifier before “I never believe”, as in he's never believed they sell his version. But from my point of view in the UK, it's cheaper to order from IST than anywhere else, and they're the only ones I've found offering the 309 with the FJ plate.

    Does HelpMe use anything special in his? Panasonic or GSM switches, do we know? Because if IST's 309s have 16.5mm actuators then I can't see how ‘wrong’ they can be. Bad grommets, I suppose. I'd pay the extra if anyone can hook me up with a direct import from the man himself, otherwise it looks like I'll have to take a punt on Makestick.
  • MariosMarios Joined: Posts: 76
    @Futurespect yeah some parts are missing because it was me chating him in the chat , if you see the full vod ull understand he just got mad because of some points another member mentioned before in the previous page he has valid points but mainly because the lever gets bad reputation because everyone outside of korea buying 309 HelpMe and they think its HelpMe's lever. in reality if you ask any korean streamer or any tekken player they seperate them its 309HelpMe , and HelpMe lever. HelpMe is the "famous" one in korea . and yes bad grommets is a thing , i am not sure what he is actually doing i have few people training in Korea atm before evo japan so they will go and buy it and he will build it infront of them , and i have ordered few from the man hiself with differ varations . he is using gersung microswitches because panasonic are no longer viable . although if u send him your set he will add them since he believes the lever plays a lil bit better with the am51630 just abit .also he is using custom made bathtub rubbers the people in chat translated i guess its a bad translation , i guess its just selfmade ? PM me if you need anything
  • masked ridermasked rider Henshin! Joined: Posts: 1,280
    So is the HelpMe lever another Myoungshin-based mod? Or is it still a modded Crown?
  • zero_requiemzero_requiem Joined: Posts: 222
    It's still a crown 309 @masked rider
  • BullmanceBullmance Joined: Posts: 15
    edited January 19
    Hi lever lovers. I just wanted to give everyone an updated review from a newer players perspective on @wazwuz 's golden fanta builds.
    I'm going to include some personal stuff so new players that are trying to learn stick get an idea of the early journey since most of you guys seem like pros or at least long time players. I've noticed quite a few n00bs coming to the thread so hopefully this helps someone.

    By newer player, I mean I have been using fightsticks for about 2 years now. I have been playing fighting games since SFII. But, I didn't grow up anywhere near a scene and only got to play these games in arcades a dozen times. So all my experience before this was pad and console with friends and in college. I never had to get good because online was non-existent to trash and apparently so were my friends.

    To start off with I bought my first stick for SFV release in Feb 2016. I finally had time to get good at FGs and I'm pretty handy so I built a wood stick that can hold both a Sanwa and a Fanta lever and tried them. I found I did better with the Fanta early on so I stuck with it. Then I ordered a Fujin V2 lever from makestick. This was my favorite.

    When I ordered the first golden Fanta kit from wazwuz it immediately helped me out. I play Dictator and Guile mainly. So adding in the 70 shore grommet made it have a close tension to the Fujin which I liked because it made my charges faster. Having the Larger Shaft helped a lot also, so when I panicked I didn't throw the lever as far. For the actuator I preferred the 15.5mm actuator and my Fanta has the Panasonic switches.

    Then Tekken 7 dropped in early 2017 and was my first Tekken since I played the original on my friends PS1. I immediately picked it up and loved it. It became my main game, however it was really hard to play with the setup I was using for SFV, especially trying to KBD. So I built a 2nd stick using a Jasen's Custom Panzer III Korean case. I used another Fanta and the medium thickness shaft. I put in a 45 shore grommet and the conical actuator. This worked great and made a KBD friendly stick. I learned to KBD proficiently in about 6 months with this setup. By proficient I mean I can confidently use it in matches to get players to whiff and quickly create space. Obviously it isn't as good as people who have been playing for 10+ years, but I can use it in matches.

    Last I ordered a Golden Core from wazwuz a couple months ago. This was the best piece of the whole bunch. I can feel even more responsiveness. The "dead zone" in the middle went from an empty feeling wobble to a tight pressure which is definitely preferable to me. I use the medium tension spring he included with it.

    From the beginning it took about 10 months to feel good about my stick use in SFV. I mean where I would think about a move (hcb, dp, etc.) and then be able to execute it in match about 90% of the time. I could do combos easily when I started Tekken 7; 14 months into stick use. It took me a month or 2 to learn how to PEWGF at about 75% consistency. With speed I can only reliably get 2-3 PEWGFs in a row as a juggle. KBD was a different monster. It was more difficult than I thought it would be to get consistent with. It took about 6 months of me playing T7 to do this. I guess I should also mention I play about 8-15 hours a week.

    Some cons for this setup are the washers and the gold dust. First the washers came all chipped up on the edges. While I think they look good, the chips really bother me so I don't use them. I would if they were cleaner. As far as the gold dust goes it is from the actuator rubbing against the switch arm. It stopped after a couple months use for me and it didn't damage anything. Just something to be aware of.

    TLDR/Conclusion: I feel the Golden Fanta Kit with the Golden Fanta Core speed up the time it took me to get used to playing on stick and helped me learn techniques easier than using a stock lever. It is definitely a preferable upgrade for any enthusiast and my current favorite.
  • FuturespectFuturespect Joined: Posts: 68
    edited January 20
    Marios wrote: »
    PM me if you need anything

    Thanks. I guess I've two options here: try and get the whole stick from HelpMe; or buy a 309 and see if I can buy his replacement parts. The Makestick seems to come with GSM A3 switches. I can't remember their model, but I had some Panasonics years ago and they were much lighter than Gersungs. Closer to Cherrys.
  • washowwashow Joined: Posts: 7
    Anyone ever order from istmall? I'm just wondering how long the shipping is usually to US for a lever
  • ykdykd Joined: Posts: 124
    So is the HelpMe lever another Myoungshin-based mod? Or is it still a modded Crown?

    It isn't myoungshin based. it's based from crown parts.
  • ykdykd Joined: Posts: 124
    blankaex wrote: »
    @Marios I dunno man, my friend told me he literally took a photo of the lever and brought it to Green mum and asked "Sale?" and she called the owner to come in and build them for him. When were you in Korea? Maybe they changed their policy recently.

    most of us would do bad things for one of those, for two I would likely do things I never fathomed. but for 3, i would likely commit hard crime. lol.
    Goodluck at EVO JAPAN @blankaex / BoxeR_King!

  • earthwormbenearthwormben Joined: Posts: 70
    I've been wanting to try a Korean stick for a while, arcade World in the UK now stocks the crown 309 as well as alternative grommets. Just wondering what of the variants do people recommend, and what exactly does the neck on the stick do?
  • el grecoel greco Lite Dash Joined: Posts: 378
    edited January 22
    If anyone is interested, SuperHwoarang is modifying live on his twitch stream

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    Should be available on vod later
  • The PhantomnautThe Phantomnaut Too obsessive over Korean arcade parts. Joined: Posts: 1,871
    I've been wanting to try a Korean stick for a while, arcade World in the UK now stocks the crown 309 as well as alternative grommets. Just wondering what of the variants do people recommend, and what exactly does the neck on the stick do?

    I would say grommets that are 35A is a good sweet spot for most folks. Not too heavy, not too light. The neck, or collar, is basically the Korean equivalent of a Japanese gate. The collar and the shaft have a more direct relationship with how much travel from neutral to the edge.
  • earthwormbenearthwormben Joined: Posts: 70
    Thanks, I like a round or octagonal gate, I also like to bring the travel and throw down quite a bit.
  • zero_requiemzero_requiem Joined: Posts: 222
    edited January 22
    @blankaex when you watched green lever daddy saw the green lever when he was building it what did he saw off? The bumps over the switch placement?
  • blankaexblankaex Joined: Posts: 150
    @zero_requiem It was boxer watching, not me. I was curious about what was being sawed off as well but he said he didn't see it close up, he just saw the levers being taken over to a band saw or something and brought back.
  • zero_requiemzero_requiem Joined: Posts: 222
    @blankaex no worries man n thanks for the reply. Just seen the tweet and I was curious as to what was done.
  • TekkenKaziTekkenKazi Joined: Posts: 15
    edited January 23
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    Updates on my Kazi lever

    I think im gonna use @wazwuz 's golden parts at my lever with 45grommets

    i think u guys can get about 1 month later

    The switches for Kazi is already selected ,but im still testing many switches for us to enjoy korean lever

    i will keep post about switches

    ( and i found some interesting switches by YAMATAKE which is great japanese company as panansonic.
    after testing i will upload some information .

    + i found great omron switches too .)
  • TekkenKaziTekkenKazi Joined: Posts: 15
    edited January 24
    ykd wrote: »
    TekkenKazi wrote: »
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    Updates on my Kazi lever

    I think im gonna use @wazwuz 's golden parts at my lever with 45grommets

    i think u guys can get about 1 month later

    The switches for Kazi is already selected ,but im still testing many switches for us to enjoy korean lever

    i will keep post about switches

    ( and i found some interesting switches by YAMATAKE which is great japanese company as panansonic.
    after testing i will upload some information .

    + i found great omron switches too .)

    So basically you are selling a crown modified with @wazwuz Golden Parts. No offence here man. But this is something anyone here can already make. There isn’t anything to make this lever unique at all. In all honesty it’s more of a Golden Lever than a “Kazi”. Any of the people who work and mod on sticks here can do exactly this. So there isn’t anything special here at all. Just my 2 cents. If people here want to buy this, and eat it up, just go back to the start of this thread where the community helped create the Golden parts (admitted: I was not involved in this community at that point, but many of you here did indeed contribute to that). Anyone should be able to figure that out. And that there is zero new tech in this project. Aside from Switches it’s a crown body and shaft, with Wazwuz Golden Parts.
    Might be blunt. But I would like to think I’m not alone in that sentiment. If this is the reality now, then really any modifications we do with Golden parts can be our own “whatever” Lever we want to throw a name on it. Assembling someone else’s stuff does not make it your lever.

    First im sorry that if u feel bad

    I can understand your comment

    But i will customize the setting not pre-existing size.

    There are two big route to make lever

    1. Design 100% of it
    Im not sure to make all of it

    I read many article of korean lever maker

    Actually im not the professional designer and it need a lot of experience.

    Actually i made mine with other parts now im gonna make with same spec.

    After making with pre-existing houseing (lever case) i will keep try making new one.


    2.make with pre-existing houseing
    Many famous levers starts with pre-existing lever with some different parts.(ex:airbag->fujin.same developer)

    So i choice that route.

    Keep trying many parts everyday,adjusting switches,ordering new parts...

    I was trying to make whole things after i get confidence of the lever .

    Thanks



  • TekkenKaziTekkenKazi Joined: Posts: 15
    ykd wrote: »
    If that is the case, then why show people pages and reviews of this lever of yours, if it’s changed and keeps changing? Like the page where you have someone testing it comparing to a Fujin. You say you’re having meetings with Crown Samducksa people, but asking for crown measurements from this community. Shouldn’t you already know that ? If you’re having a lever designed with the people from crown , then why be wanting parts from ASI. You said Lowhigh is testing your lever for you and likes it, but the design isn’t even complete. Lowhigh works with me and some friends on some testing here on another thing. So I get to talk to him. And hear that you post pictures of this Kazi Lever with Golden Parts on it. But no mention of who makes the parts. Until people figured it out. You want a “Kazi” lever when there is already a “Kaze”.

    Newer people here show up and are comparing this non existent lever to the likes of a Fujin, or the mighty Green lever. I don’t blame their lack of knowledge. But to me it’s all fishy from the start. Some people start to think you are maybe a pro player, or lever designer etc. But truth is you’re just a guy from Korea, many guys here know much more than you do already. So why would anyone want the “Kazi” you are not signature guy like Helpme, so why would Crown make a lever with just a regular guy? Surely I can’t just walk in to the office of crown and start having meetings. They got their Help me, Crazy Dongpal, and now the Kazi..... ?

    I definitely probably sound like an asshole. But you show up out of really nowhere, start blasting all this how great the “Kazi” lever is, but things keep changing. I think you’re just trying to take advantage and make some money. You’re here talking prices before you even have a product to sell.
    Maybe I’m alone about that on this board. But just some things I’ve been wondering. I’ve tried to help in any way I can in this community. Sending Levers to people, helping with tasks, never one time coming here about money. First day you were here like a month ago you already had numbers figured for a product you don’t even know how much it’s going to cost.

    I suggest we all do what we have been doing. Support our community. Victor @wazwuz has always been here for everyone. Buying his products is an investment into our future and the future of bigger, better things. You can make your own lever and call it anything you want with his kits. Hell even write a fancy name on the plate if it is important to you.

    I think there are many misunderstanding lets talk at twitter
  • TekkenKaziTekkenKazi Joined: Posts: 15
    @TekkenKazi No offence to you but how is this a signature lever when all you're doing is using golden fanta parts? Most people on here already have the golden fanta kit and as for different grommets and switches those are easily attainable. What sets the "kazi" lever apart from the rest? Yes ppl use existing molds to make signature levers with custom battops, collars, shafts, actuators, . You either have access to a machine shop or you farm out the work. Taking selected golden fanta parts and calling it your own design isn't right. I'm a machinist I can measure every single part that @Wawuz makes and machine it with inconel 625 if I wanted to and call it the silver fanta.

    Yeah i think i have to go back to first version im sorry to make noise here
  • TekkenKaziTekkenKazi Joined: Posts: 15
    edited January 24
    Im sorry guys about making noise

    I was excited for a moment really sorry

    +first picture of mine was not golden crown parts so i will go back to there
  • MariosMarios Joined: Posts: 76
    Any modders at evo japan ? that can sneak backstage to Knees lever for some investigation ?
  • veohamveoham beep beep Joined: Posts: 14
    Are people still having trouble getting hold of Fujins?
  • ykdykd Joined: Posts: 124
    veoham wrote: »
    Are people still having trouble getting hold of Fujins?
    None being produced / sold until late this month. Is the last update.
  • warheadwarhead Joined: Posts: 23
    I'm finding diagonals difficult to hit on the Crown 309MJ (A3 switches), do i just need to get used to using a K stick or is this something possibly indicative of this model/switch?
  • m_abdalla3m_abdalla3 Joined: Posts: 34
    @ykd as in there is another/final version of the fujin being released? Would be interested to see what’s changed if so
  • masked ridermasked rider Henshin! Joined: Posts: 1,280
    warhead wrote: »
    I'm finding diagonals difficult to hit on the Crown 309MJ (A3 switches), do i just need to get used to using a K stick or is this something possibly indicative of this model/switch?

    Someone mentioned that the different A3 models actually perform differently. That may be the case with yours. But otherwise it is just a matter of technique.
  • el grecoel greco Lite Dash Joined: Posts: 378
    Ahh you know what's better than having these 300 word essay nerd boner fights. Working together to make parts more available to players outside of South Korea. None of the US part stores even have the 309s in stock.
  • masked ridermasked rider Henshin! Joined: Posts: 1,280
    TekkenKazi wrote: »
    Im sorry guys about making noise

    I was excited for a moment really sorry

    +first picture of mine was not golden crown parts so i will go back to there

    I am all for supporting you in developing a custom lever, but I just want you to understand that there is nothing special about sourcing parts from different existing mods and calling it your own. All these custom levers have something unique only to that lever, whether it's the body, switch support, bat top, etc. In the end, the final product should have something custom fabricated that is unique to the Kazi lever.
  • ykdykd Joined: Posts: 124
    m_abdalla3 wrote: »
    @ykd as in there is another/final version of the fujin being released? Would be interested to see what’s changed if so

    Sorry i should have worded it differently. Airbaguy on his naver cafe said in his latest update that they will be out until late this month. no idea if this is going to have different switches or anything different. once there is another post I will give you the heads up too. anyone can see his site though https://cafe.naver.com/airbaglever
  • ykdykd Joined: Posts: 124
    warhead wrote: »
    I'm finding diagonals difficult to hit on the Crown 309MJ (A3 switches), do i just need to get used to using a K stick or is this something possibly indicative of this model/switch?

    Someone mentioned that the different A3 models actually perform differently. That may be the case with yours. But otherwise it is just a matter of technique.
    if you have these Switches "GSM-V1623A3" then you have the better A3 model. if you have the older #, I don't have off hand but that could be the cause for sure. if you have the right ones. then it's likely you are not used to the lever.

  • ykdykd Joined: Posts: 124
    el greco wrote: »
    Ahh you know what's better than having these 300 word essay nerd boner fights. Working together to make parts more available to players outside of South Korea. None of the US part stores even have the 309s in stock.

    i suggest you do your due diligence and check that before spewing shit. I just found 309's on Focus attack in one quick look. so maybe I suggest you take your own advice.
  • ykdykd Joined: Posts: 124
    TekkenKazi wrote: »
    Im sorry guys about making noise

    I was excited for a moment really sorry

    +first picture of mine was not golden crown parts so i will go back to there

    I am all for supporting you in developing a custom lever, but I just want you to understand that there is nothing special about sourcing parts from different existing mods and calling it your own. All these custom levers have something unique only to that lever, whether it's the body, switch support, bat top, etc. In the end, the final product should have something custom fabricated that is unique to the Kazi lever.

    This.
    I'm not saying don't make a lever @TekkenKazi . But all you've done is go on about this lever. trying to sell it right out of the gate, and changing it many times, but posting reviews for something you aren't selling. I of course want to see more Korean stuff make it here. we all love Korean Arcade products. I want you to do well. But what you are trying to sell, we all do here already. you should wait to talk about selling stuff until you have a product to offer. and not bring all the changes up on here etc. if it's the KAZI lever, Kazi should be designing it. not changing every time someone here says this is good that etc, or using parts people here already helped to make like the entire group here did last year to get the Golden stuff. Make the Kazi the same as Airbaguy does the Fujin, or SuperHwoarang does theirs. Follow a model that others made. comunity imput is good. but showing up like a door to door salesman trying to sell me the brooklyn bridge is just kinda shady tactics.
    good luck. I have no personal issue. I don't want to drag this place down, or put a target on my back or make enemies. I want to just help where I can and that's it. I know I wasn't alone in thinking what I posted. so I'll leave it alone. apologies to anyone I pissed off with the long words.
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