UMvC3 was handled atrociously this year

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  • YorKeYYorKeY By the end of his career Lebron James > Jordan. LA Misses Kobe Byrant. Joined: Posts: 6,805
    I thought Marvel was boring, grand finals, i couldn't even get through them, this year SF4 was about all i liked, Melee was okay.
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  • RamrodRamrod P.G. Joined: Posts: 406
    Preppy wrote: »
    PS: And please continue to know that I think anybody claiming that previous Evos didn't have incredibly awesome matches not filmed is batshit insane.

    Literally no one has said this. We have gone through pains to say the OPPOSITE. You are fighting a straw man. Literally every reply of mine in this thread has included the fact that "Of course there are awesome hype matches that happen off stream at every EVO." - THAT IS NOT THE ISSUE.
  • RamrodRamrod P.G. Joined: Posts: 406
    edited July 2015
    Preppy, I think this guy has been to a few Evo's:


  • RamrodRamrod P.G. Joined: Posts: 406
    edited July 2015
    Pertho wrote: »
    Ramrod wrote: »
    It does not happen on this level every year, hence the outrage. It happened somewhat close to this level last year, which makes this year even MORE indefensible. No, this was not the average run of the mill "some great matches happened off stream". To pretend that it was betrays such gross willful ignorance that I can only laugh and shake my head.

    Last year Daigo was eliminated off stream. He had a match up with John Choi that didn't happen on stream over Sako vs Marq Teddy. Then Daigo vs Filipino champ also happened off stream. Understand that there are a lot of good players playing good players. On the other hand we got to see Kane beat Wong, Valle beat bonchan and other random shit.

    Were 3 of the 8 matches to get into top 8 held off stream last year?
    If you want to see the matches in real time, show up to Evo. If you just want things recorded for posterity, get together with a crew of people and work out how to cover all the important match ups. Evo is still a tournament, they aren't going to freeze things for the viewing pleasure of people.
    .

    If you wanted to see the Super Bowl, you should've bought tickets and flown there!

    OF COURSE they already do freeze things for viewing pleasure. OF COURSE they *should* freeze things for viewing pleasure. There's a reason that halftime is 20 minutes longer at the Super Bowl. I can't recall ever being to a weekly tournament, least of all a Major where the participants did not start the match until they got the ok from the streamer.
  • PreppyPreppy act like you're used to it Joined: Posts: 14,002 admin
    Ramrod wrote: »
    Preppy wrote: »
    PS: And please continue to know that I think anybody claiming that previous Evos didn't have incredibly awesome matches not filmed is batshit insane.
    Literally no one has said this. We have gone through pains to say the OPPOSITE. You are fighting a straw man. Literally every reply of mine in this thread has included the fact that "Of course there are awesome hype matches that happen off stream at every EVO." - THAT IS NOT THE ISSUE.
    Sure, sorry for misrepresenting your position. I was confusing you with this guy:
    Ramrod wrote: »
    Preppy wrote: »
    The only reason you noticed this year was because it involved people you cared about. This happens every year.
    It does not happen on this level every year, hence the outrage. It happened somewhat close to this level last year, which makes this year even MORE indefensible. No, this was not the average run of the mill "some great matches happened off stream". To pretend that it was betrays such gross willful ignorance that I can only laugh and shake my head.
    Let's knock off the exceptionalism here. All sorts of matches were heroic awesome matches for the people involved, and the matches you're not expecting to be hype turn out to be awesome. Talk with the stream guy(s) about maybe moving that key match you know of to the stream. Generally bear in mind that the schedule is absolutely fucked, so it might not be possible. But people listen.

    I wasn't there, I trust Clock. Sounds like some fine smart individuals should volunteer to help out next year. I'll be back helping out. If you're awesome, help out too. If you're there and think the person running it is having problems, help them be better.

    Evo historically doesn't have time to and cannot be frozen. Please refer to Evo 2002, where the finals were best of 1 because they simply ran out of time.

    Evo has been us and is us. It's about us and it's run by us. If you want it to be better, make it better. That's what I do almost every year. Be the change you want to see. Be that awesome TO. Applications are open every year: apply, make good shit happen.

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    FrostyAU wrote: »
    The only legitimate reason I see why they'd keep it off him was because they were worried about a Kotaku-bait style popoff

    That reason alone is more than enough. If you watched the MKX tournament on ESL they let players talk but only in videos that were recorded in advance, means they were approved to be "clean" and suitable for viewing.
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  • J.DJ.D EVO Staff Joined: Posts: 4,499 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    edited July 2015
    Viscant wrote: »
    I have heard (and have 0 doubt on the truthfulness of this) that players were given incorrect instructions on DLC being legal, i.e. a Shuma player forced to play on a setup that didn't have DLC.

    I know what happened.
    A player said he was told by a judge that he had to play in a setup that didn't have Shuma. The judge said he absolutely didn't say that.
    It's a miscommunication problem. The issue is that the player went ahead and played the set without Shuma,lost and then complained about it to Angelic after the set was done and the bracket had moved forward.
    I asked Valle and Chris Li about it, and they both agreed that the player signed the papers when he went ahead and played the set.
    That was the main problem. The best course of action in that situation for the player was to not play the game and contact the staff, but it didn't happen.
    I really think that if you are a player who knows the rules, and you are told (allegedly) a BS rule, that should be a red flag right there, but this player just took it. I really wish it would have gone a different way.
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  • YawDanYawDan Joined: Posts: 696
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    People shouldn't be downplaying the importance of viewers and streams of the tournment. Evo makes money both directly and indirectly from viewers watching. They can't profit from stream viewers, then be defended when viewers say the matches they wanted to see weren't shown (well, this thread showing that actually, they can be defended notwithstanding).

    Justin wong, Chris G and Filipino Champ are the 3 biggest players of the game. They did not factor this into their streaming decisions and hence the backlash. Add in a stream starting nearly 2 hours late, the shambles of frutsy/kbr match, and KBR not getting the mic, and here we are.

    Actually, this is all Justin Wong's, Chris G's and Filipino Champ's fault for not winning. I can't even be mad at the organization of the tournament for this.
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  • NooneyouknowNooneyouknow Joined: Posts: 2,654
    Viscant wrote: »
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    So, all the same issues that have been around since at least my first time going, scaled up for larger attendance. I honestly think Evo needs to add at least a 4th day, and probably a 5th if we really want to get every match that should be on stream on stream, without creating cluster fucks and down time.

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  • PerthoPertho The Runed One Joined: Posts: 21,919 mod
    YawDan wrote: »
    People shouldn't be downplaying the importance of viewers and streams of the tournment. Evo makes money both directly and indirectly from viewers watching. They can't profit from stream viewers, then be defended when viewers say the matches they wanted to see weren't shown (well, this thread showing that actually, they can be defended notwithstanding).

    We can, easily. This community was getting along pretty well before things just blew up. The stream as a means to reach out to members of the community who can't go? Great. The streams as a free show to people who will never really give two fucks about any of us? There's only so much we can do for them.

    This needs to be explained one more time: there are always great matches going on and some of them are going to be missed. Trying to get them all on stream means that pools would have to run late. While I don't agree with all of the decisions involved with Evo, timeliness and running a proper tournament are one thing they excel at. This tourney being sloppy seems to have happened because they were too busy arranging free entertainment for a shitload of people.

    The floodgates are open and all that's fine. Could do they do a better job? Yeah. Provide better insight on how they messed up and how they could improve it. Ranting because they didn't show some of the marquee match ups is just what happens. Have you ever watched Evo DVDs? Guess how many things aren't there?
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  • OerbaOerba Just a joke! Joined: Posts: 1,373
    I hate to be that guy, but having two smash games at EVO I feel really fucked things up. Their communities are both huge and do not have nearly as much overlap as one might think, which made the venue just horribly clogged. As Viscant was saying, when Smash was going on in the exhibitor hall it was basically impossible to maneuver around in that area.
    I can't see how the EVO staff didn't have the foresight to see that including two additional games which draw the same amount of players as SF would be a logistical nightmare in that venue, especially since I'm sure they plan what venue they pick at least a year ahead.
  • RX-78-3RX-78-3 Newport News Arcade OG Joined: Posts: 557
    edited July 2015
    I fully understand the staff not handing over the mic. It's a potential PR nightmare if the winner says something dumb live. You don't want to tick off sponsors or have something said that will always link back to EVO and tarnish the game/tournament. Kane may have only wanted to say good things, but it's still risky. Maybe next year we can get some sort of immediate interview or report after the grand finals for each game.

    The only other issue that seemed to pop up was the "extended button checks". Even though it sucked, I understand the fire hazard one. However, their seemed to be quite a few games that were proceeding for a bit only for one individual to claim it was a button check and to restart the game. The staff and the FGC needs to come down hard on this if it starts to become a serious trend. It's effectively giving yourself a free mulligan and reset if your opponent starts gaining momentum.

    Edit: "Everything needs to be streamed/recorded" just isn't going to happen with the current EVO schedule. EVO would have to turn in to a week long tournament to even begin to think about recording every game that is played. It's up to the community to take the initiative and try and record every game they can. Lets be thankful that camera phones are now so much more prevalent. They may not be ideal, but it's better than nothing.
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  • RamrodRamrod P.G. Joined: Posts: 406
    Oerba wrote: »
    I hate to be that guy, but having two smash games at EVO I feel really fucked things up. Their communities are both huge and do not have nearly as much overlap as one might think, which made the venue just horribly clogged. As Viscant was saying, when Smash was going on in the exhibitor hall it was basically impossible to maneuver around in that area.
    I can't see how the EVO staff didn't have the foresight to see that including two additional games which draw the same amount of players as SF would be a logistical nightmare in that venue, especially since I'm sure they plan what venue they pick at least a year ahead.

    DING DING DING! We have a winner!

    Of course it was the "fault" of having two Smash games at Evo this year, and OF COURSE the Evo organizers should have used this huge influx of money to hold the event in a venue appropriate for such a bigger influx of players and spectators.
  • J.DJ.D EVO Staff Joined: Posts: 4,499 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Ramrod wrote: »
    Oerba wrote: »
    Evo organizers should have used this huge influx of money to hold the event in a venue appropriate for such a bigger influx of players and spectators.

    Not as easy as it sounds. Most ballrooms in Vegas are booked through 2020.
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    Pertho wrote: »
    The streams as a free show to people who will never really give two fucks about any of us? There's only so much we can do for them.

    Serious question - Who gets to decide who doesn't give a fuck and who does?
    Don't know why, that quoted comment really rubbed me the wrong way. Not entirely sure what you're implying about some of us Stream Monsters.



    Something that can't be denied in this - Viscant has come in and dropped an informative post about his experience and the only part anyone has mentioned was the Shuma thing? (Which is a he said/she said situation at this point).
    Viscant wrote:
    we should have put matches involving combinations of Justin/Champ/Chris/Clock on stream no matter what the time cost.

    This is exactly what other people are saying but Jay gets to say it without people talking down to him because he's known?

    I'm not saying that's 100% how it is but just how it appears to be while reading through this.
  • PerthoPertho The Runed One Joined: Posts: 21,919 mod
    Zachara wrote: »

    This is exactly what other people are saying but Jay gets to say it without people talking down to him because he's known?

    I'm not saying that's 100% how it is but just how it appears to be while reading through this.

    Because he is wrong. Here, since you think we care about OGs:
    Viscant wrote:
    we should have put matches involving combinations of Justin/Champ/Chris/Clock on stream no matter what the time cost.

    Lol no. Whenever possible they should but not at the cost of having the tournament run like shit. It some bullshit that people who spent thousands of dollars should play second fiddle to people who didn't attend. Its a tournament, you don't go there to get screen time, you go there to win.
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    jimmy1200 wrote: »
    pertho attacked me first, saying i get all my life tips from 106th and park.
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    Oerba wrote: »
    I hate to be that guy, but having two smash games at EVO I feel really fucked things up. Their communities are both huge and do not have nearly as much overlap as one might think, which made the venue just horribly clogged. As Viscant was saying, when Smash was going on in the exhibitor hall it was basically impossible to maneuver around in that area.
    I can't see how the EVO staff didn't have the foresight to see that including two additional games which draw the same amount of players as SF would be a logistical nightmare in that venue, especially since I'm sure they plan what venue they pick at least a year ahead.

    even then, they can handle Melee no problem.

    Smash 4 was the problem. Takes forever to run, boring to watch game with one guy so much better than anyone else the only thing he murdered harder than his bracket was hype. Smash 4 is what fucked over Marvel on Saturday. I could have sworn when I checked the Evo schedule, Marvel was supposed to be running almost all day on two streams Saturday ... then when I actually tuned in and could find nothing but Smash, I noticed the schedule only had a few hours of Marvel scheduled for that night all on side streams.

    Then running so many ChrisG and Champ matches off stream ... like, come on guys. It's a little more understandable when it happens in a SF tournament because there are way more killers playing it ... and even then shit like Evo final runbacks involving guys like Daigo should NEVER be offstream - fuck a bracket disruption, stuff like that NEEDS to be streamed. Matches with an extremely high chance of generating an Evo Moment need to happen on a good recording setup and be seen live. This is just common sense, I though.

    You gotta build the word of mouth while the tournament is still going on so it spreads to the stream monsters and gets them pumped for finals day. Just a tweet here and there with no video ain't going to cut it for that.

    Total Marvel audience this year was 177k between Twitch & Topanga because Japan started tuning into Marvel in big numbers ... that's a good show, but even tho entrant numbers dropped this year, viewers should have easily climbed up to the 200k mark. If a game as shitty as MKX can hit 190k, Marvel can do better
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  • PerthoPertho The Runed One Joined: Posts: 21,919 mod
    Viscant wrote: »
    snip

    SF4, Xrd and MvC3 all ran like shit though. Xrd guys got dicked over in regular viewing space. Even then we are compounding issues by making pools bend themselves for stream time. If the notable names are a handful, then maybe MvC3 should be an exhibition tournament. I mean, if you're going to say something like:
    We lost a lot of fanbases and created a lot of apathy towards top 8 due to stream decisions and tournament running decisions.

    Then something just isn't quite right. You're worried largely about a lot of people who don't play the game in the first place. As I mentioned before, running a smooth tournament should be the main concern. Maybe if MvC3 had gone smoothly the players could've excused things being missing from the stream. If the tournament runs like ass and there is no benefit to it in the stream, then it just seems like a lot of effort for nothing. that didn't happen and then the stream ended up jacking up things even more.

    If you want a fanbase that watches, then making MvC3 a special PPV type thing would be best. If you want to run a tournament, then running the tournament smoothly should be the focus. It sounds like you got neither.
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    jimmy1200 wrote: »
    pertho attacked me first, saying i get all my life tips from 106th and park.
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    Who in the fuck is going to PAY to watch Marvel?
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    Wasted wrote: »
    Who in the fuck is going to PAY to watch Marvel?

    Apparently whichever fanbase was it that got it let down. A fanbase which also cares so much about the game that some of them didn't like watching KBR do something amazing in that game.

    I guess this is also the same fanbase that stopped showing up to play the games at majors.
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    pertho attacked me first, saying i get all my life tips from 106th and park.
  • LivewireXLivewireX Joined: Posts: 5,790
    So skimming through this, pretty much people's thoughts on ChrisG vs RF not getting streamed is essentially "can you imagine if Snake Eyez vs Daigo happened off-stream?".

    As for the KBR mic situation...couldn't they have just well, ASKED him what he wanted to say and decided from that? Now, I'm not saying anything silly like "The Top 8 can write out 'in case I win' statements beforehand if they want to say anything", but still. I mean, I may not know KBR, but he doesn't come across as the type to grab the house mic and start yelling "fuck you, bitches! I won, y'all are fucking garbage, you're shit!" or whatever.
  • RamrodRamrod P.G. Joined: Posts: 406
    Pertho wrote: »
    Viscant wrote: »
    snip

    SF4, Xrd and MvC3 all ran like shit though. Xrd guys got dicked over in regular viewing space. Even then we are compounding issues by making pools bend themselves for stream time. If the notable names are a handful, then maybe MvC3 should be an exhibition tournament. I mean, if you're going to say something like:
    We lost a lot of fanbases and created a lot of apathy towards top 8 due to stream decisions and tournament running decisions.

    Then something just isn't quite right. You're worried largely about a lot of people who don't play the game in the first place. As I mentioned before, running a smooth tournament should be the main concern. Maybe if MvC3 had gone smoothly the players could've excused things being missing from the stream. If the tournament runs like ass and there is no benefit to it in the stream, then it just seems like a lot of effort for nothing. that didn't happen and then the stream ended up jacking up things even more.

    If you want a fanbase that watches, then making MvC3 a special PPV type thing would be best. If you want to run a tournament, then running the tournament smoothly should be the focus. It sounds like you got neither.

    Can't tell if willfully obtuse or moron.
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    LivewireX wrote: »
    So skimming through this, pretty much people's thoughts on ChrisG vs RF not getting streamed is essentially "can you imagine if Snake Eyez vs Daigo happened off-stream?".

    As for the KBR mic situation...couldn't they have just well, ASKED him what he wanted to say and decided from that? Now, I'm not saying anything silly like "The Top 8 can write out 'in case I win' statements beforehand if they want to say anything", but still. I mean, I may not know KBR, but he doesn't come across as the type to grab the house mic and start yelling "fuck you, bitches! I won, y'all are fucking garbage, you're shit!" or whatever.

    Not really about that, the precedent was that no one gets the mic, they didn't want to start a new precedent. Check Viscant's post, he didn't get it either when he won.
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    bloodymess wrote: »

    4. The most viewed game for something like two/three years in a row gets a corner of the secondary hall but we get Killer Instinct/MKX for the big screen? I understand EVO is more about the "Holla Holla Get Dollah" lifestyle but some courtesy for a community that strove to do whatever it could to bring their game's prestige to a similar level.

    Ok id like to a dress this statement now if you look at both games you just named even though they weren't the most popular games they have showed easily the most support from their community funds wise. KI community raised so much money for the past 3 tournaments including evo pot bonus wise you wouldn't believe how fast it was too. MKX also raise a huge amount of funds too so I feel they earned their position to be on the main stage. Not only that but KI was having Finals the day of marvel pools so finals should naturally get main stage priority over pools.
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    inb4 EVO drops Marvel next year

    inb4 CEOtaku takes its place in regards to Marvel
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    Make it clear any nationalism, trolling, etc will get you banned and/or you title revoked. They didn't want to hold up their precious stream and still had the camera on him the whole time.

    Last year there was lots of crying from the players, especially D1 (?), maybe they wanted to get away from that?

    On another side, Ray Ray is a prick. Nice sportsmanship.

    And WTF was Gamerbee's woman doing onstage bawling like that? Who allowed that?
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    Pertho wrote: »
    You're worried largely about a lot of people who don't play the game in the first place.

    Since you didn't answer it last time I'll ask it again - Who gets to decide who doesn't give a fuck and who does?
    You make an awful lot of assumptions about an awful lot of people.
    What about people who live in other countries but follow and play Marvel above everything else? Are you implying that they don't care about the game?
    Not going to Evo =/= Not giving a fuck about the game. To imply otherwise (If that was what you were implying) is beyond stupid.
  • PerthoPertho The Runed One Joined: Posts: 21,919 mod
    Zachara wrote: »
    snip

    I'll address the rest of Viscant's post later but I'll quickly answer this: tournaments are there for the players who show up; everything else is secondary. I've been in the US for 15 years; I've never had a chance to go to Evo. I am of neither more importance or of higher priority as some random internet spectator than somebody who is there playing.

    Deal.
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    jimmy1200 wrote: »
    pertho attacked me first, saying i get all my life tips from 106th and park.
  • <Insert Name Here><Insert Name Here> No wonder with people like me SRK Marvel is dead Joined: Posts: 7,940
    Oerba wrote: »
    I hate to be that guy, but having two smash games at EVO I feel really fucked things up. Their communities are both huge and do not have nearly as much overlap as one might think, which made the venue just horribly clogged. As Viscant was saying, when Smash was going on in the exhibitor hall it was basically impossible to maneuver around in that area.
    I can't see how the EVO staff didn't have the foresight to see that including two additional games which draw the same amount of players as SF would be a logistical nightmare in that venue, especially since I'm sure they plan what venue they pick at least a year ahead.
    If we get rid of Smash we are only just delaying having to deal with the problem of "Evo is getting too big" by a year or two.
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  • Raz0rRaz0r Did you really just write that? Joined: Posts: 24,794 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    If we're going to talk venue space, let's talk about renting out a convention hall.

    Do we need that much space? No, but we need something bigger than ballrooms. It wouldn't even be an issue if the cost of just renting a convention hall wasn't in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. Now we're just bringing in 5-6K people in a ballroom area that just can't handle the capacity. We should try and convince Wiz to open the purse strings a little and expand the size of the venue hall. Hell, even look outside of Las Vegas for it.
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    Yeah, the most natural next step is to move out of ballrooms. The problem is that will raise another ton of issues.
    For starters, if you have it a the Vegas convention center you will have to deal with the union, and that's always a pain in the butt.
    The second and biggest problem is that when you rent a hotel ballroom, you also get stuff from the hotel like power strips and cleaning staff. Not in the convention center.
    I'm sure the EVO staff will figure it out. We're growing, and that's good, but it means a lot more challenges for TOs.
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    Ponder said on Reddit that there are no plans to go beyond 3 days or to move out of Vegas.
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    J.D wrote: »
    Yeah, the most natural next step is to move out of ballrooms. The problem is that will raise another ton of issues.
    For starters, if you have it a the Vegas convention center you will have to deal with the union, and that's always a pain in the butt.
    The second and biggest problem is that when you rent a hotel ballroom, you also get stuff from the hotel like power strips and cleaning staff. Not in the convention center.
    I'm sure the EVO staff will figure it out. We're growing, and that's good, but it means a lot more challenges for TOs.

    Convention halls will give you power strips. I've done it dozens of times where I forgot to order one for an exhibit or one fried and either they or a third-party company just gave us strips. And when you rent a convention center as far as I know they have their own cleaning company. There's a reason why they're expensive as fuck.

    The unions are a problem, especially in Nevada. Fuckers won't even let me carry in a TV. It's goddamn ridiculous. Florida is a right to carry state so they don't give a flying fuck about unions.
    Ponder said on Reddit that there are no plans to go beyond 3 days or to move out of Vegas.

    That opinion isn't set in stone. If they want to keep games that bring thousands of people in separate communities they will evolve to keep EVO going or start cutting out games. The Cannons don't even deal with the logistics anymore, as far as I can tell. That's all Wiz.

    Last year they also took a vote to see if people wanted to spread the tournament to 4 days but we as a community said no because we're all bums and representing poverty to the fucking fullest. Now that some of you are getting your $15 an hour to serve a burger maybe you'll be less tight-assed about spending just a few extra hundred bucks.
  • PerthoPertho The Runed One Joined: Posts: 21,919 mod
    Raz0r wrote: »

    Last year they also took a vote to see if people wanted to spread the tournament to 4 days but we as a community said no because we're all bums and representing poverty to the fucking fullest.

    I don't think anybody was accounting for adding an entirely different community to Evo and expecting things to still work out. Most of the complaints here are indirectly about having 2 smash games. Its bad enough that had one of the most amazing displays of skills across a bunch of games and the one thing that IGN dude writes about is how smash and the rest of the scene don't seem to get along.

    Guess were gonna have to move to 4 days and one of them is gonna have to be dedicated smash day.
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    jimmy1200 wrote: »
    pertho attacked me first, saying i get all my life tips from 106th and park.
  • ZacharaZachara Joined: Posts: 814
    Zachara wrote: »
    Pertho wrote: »
    You're worried largely about a lot of people who don't play the game in the first place.

    Since you didn't answer it last time I'll ask it again - Who gets to decide who doesn't give a fuck and who does?
    You make an awful lot of assumptions about an awful lot of people.
    Pertho wrote: »
    Zachara wrote: »
    snip

    I'll address the rest of Viscant's post later but I'll quickly answer this: tournaments are there for the players who show up; everything else is secondary. I've been in the US for 15 years; I've never had a chance to go to Evo. I am of neither more importance or of higher priority as some random internet spectator than somebody who is there playing.

    Deal.

    I will happily accept that neither you nor I are more important than somebody who is playing.

    However you didn't answer the first thing I asked.
    Again.
    You're the one who said it in the first place so it's not like I'm asking you to defend something you're unaware of.
    At this point it's going to seem like I'm being a dick to you but that's not the intent. I still want to know what you meant by it but I get the feeling you won't answer. That's fine but you must see that you are paint up to 177K people as people who don't give a fuck because... "Reasons"?
  • PerthoPertho The Runed One Joined: Posts: 21,919 mod
    Zachara wrote: »

    I will happily accept that neither you nor I are more important than somebody who is playing.

    However you didn't answer the first thing I asked.
    Again.
    You're the one who said it in the first place so it's not like I'm asking you to defend something you're unaware of.
    At this point it's going to seem like I'm being a dick to you but that's not the intent. I still want to know what you meant by it but I get the feeling you won't answer. That's fine but you must see that you are paint up to 177K people as people who don't give a fuck because... "Reasons"?

    I get what you're asking now. Look this is a community of players. Most people watching streams are not members of scenes. They don't play or contribute meaningfully to to any of the places. How the hell does MvC3 have so many views and declining attendance? What the community needs is players. Its ultimately always been about that and should continue being about that. While I'm sure there were actual members that got dicked over (you and me are a good example), acting like those stream viewers are all people who legitimately care enough to join and play is immature.

    We're gonna get all bent out of shape over people who maybe show up to a weekly once, decide its too hard and quit? Fuck out of here with that. Streaming ain't doing shit for MvC3; it lost 200 players in one year.
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    jimmy1200 wrote: »
    pertho attacked me first, saying i get all my life tips from 106th and park.
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    tataki wrote: »
    FrostyAU wrote: »
    The only legitimate reason I see why they'd keep it off him was because they were worried about a Kotaku-bait style popoff

    That reason alone is more than enough. If you watched the MKX tournament on ESL they let players talk but only in videos that were recorded in advance, means they were approved to be "clean" and suitable for viewing.

    Let's rebuild the 3rd Reich.
    Only clean and approved viewing then!
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  • CalnaughtonjrCalnaughtonjr Joined: Posts: 24
    *First Post ever on this forum*

    Been following evo for a few years now, it was amazing to me how much marvel dropped in exposure for the tournament. I personally dont like the game, but it does have its following.

    I have a few theories for why marvel is getting the cold shoulder.


    1) Capcom no longer wants to promote it- if you guys read the article on IGN detailing the smashbros vs traditional fighter problems at EVO you will see capcom does not appear happy about the amount of spots smash is taking up (and i agree with that dislike, melee looks old and plays old no breakthroughs in gameplay for years just the same guys replaying each other fox vs maybe hungry box with jiggly).

    Capcom seems to be hinting that they want street fighter 4 and 5 to have spots (why discard the 4 community so quickly)
    That means axing one of their own? Marvel would be it.


    2) Capcom wants to stick it to Disney - Disney owns marvel, lets face it versus Marvel will never return again...the series is dying out and it doesnt look like they will be allowed to use the marvel license again without SIGNIFICANT concessions to disney. Capcom has essentially lost the versus series. Until they find another brand to run capcom against its going to be (maybe Street Fighter v Capcom could work, or my dream Capcom v Nintendo)


    3) Evo doesnt think the game is appealing to viewers..lets face it the game is chaos if you arent too familiar withit, half the characters are floating above the other character is just an arrow dodging below, its hard to follow who is doing what.
  • PerthoPertho The Runed One Joined: Posts: 21,919 mod
    *First Post ever on this forum*

    Been following evo for a few years now

    But do you play?
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    jimmy1200 wrote: »
    pertho attacked me first, saying i get all my life tips from 106th and park.
  • CalnaughtonjrCalnaughtonjr Joined: Posts: 24
    Pertho wrote: »
    *First Post ever on this forum*

    Been following evo for a few years now

    But do you play?

    do i play marvel v capcom ? not since dreamcast.

    do I play fighting games? yes. Do i play well? not really but they are my favorite genre (hence why I am here)


    This topic caught my Eye because I feel like marvel v capcom has alot more going on than just the fighting game community especially with Disney trying like hell to reel in the Marvel License (are you ready for universal studios Islands of Adventure...Nintendo branding?)

  • Raz0rRaz0r Did you really just write that? Joined: Posts: 24,794 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    EVO is not a Capcom event. Why are you talking like it is?
  • FatalSeabassFatalSeabass Seabass is lethal! Joined: Posts: 1,041
    Uh...what are you guys talking about? EVO is a three day event. Due to the sheer number of players joining each game, it's impossible that they find a way to stream EVERY single game. Yes, there were some matches that would have been great to capture on stream but you have 7 other games that need stream time as well. Am I disappointed that I missed Flux destroying F.Champ? Absolutely, but what can you do? How exactly do you dedicate several streams to various players in DIFFERENT pools? That just doesn't sound feasible at all.

    The real tragedy is that KaneblueRiver didn't get a chance to speak. What he had to say in regards to Marvel being everyone's game would have done a good attempt at unifying everyone who seems to play sides in the Marvel debate. But no, we get people saying "Marvel is dead!" or bullshit like "Hulk/Haggar/Sentinel just won an EVO. I wanna throw up", and etc, etc. You know who you are.
  • CalnaughtonjrCalnaughtonjr Joined: Posts: 24
    Raz0r wrote: »
    EVO is not a Capcom event. Why are you talking like it is?

    Evo is not a capcom event this is true, but the people who run evo like one thing more than fighting games, thats cash. Evo must work well with its major partners and supporters, including Capcom, nintendo, NRS, Arc, etc.
  • <Insert Name Here><Insert Name Here> No wonder with people like me SRK Marvel is dead Joined: Posts: 7,940
    So what, you think Capcom is pressuring Evo to drop Marvel? Ridiculous.

    It's nice that you like FGs and have been following Evo for a few years but you don't know what you're talking about.
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  • Raz0rRaz0r Did you really just write that? Joined: Posts: 24,794 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    These conspiracy theories are becoming worse and worse.
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