The Inevitable Street Fighter V Story Thread: ARCADE EDITION!

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  • MiðgarðsormMiðgarðsorm Linguist, translator, et cetera Joined: Posts: 790
    gian2412 wrote: »
    Why Rose have only two in power? If I remember correctly she is the only person who defeated Bison in a fight one vs one, if there is a female character who can have 5 in power without a doubt is Rose, at least 4. And No, I do not take into account the one whose name should not be said.

    I guess that for "power" he meant the raw physical strength; that is, psychic, magic, spiritual and/or technological powers excluded.
    I bet even Ingrid would be a mere 1-2 in that regard.
    »Ich heiße Bastian«, sagte der Junge, »Bastian Balthasar Bux.«
    »Ziemlich kurioser Name«, knurrte der Mann, »mit diesen drei B’s.
    Na ja, dafür kannst du nichts, hast ihn dir ja nicht selbst gegeben. Ich
    heiße Karl Konrad Koreander.«
    »Das sind drei K’s«, sagte der Junge ernst.
    »Hm«, brummte der Alte, »stimmt!«

    E quindi uscimmo a riveder le stelle.

    "Tekr ok nökkurr minna manna konu nauðga eða leiðir nauðga til skipa, sá skal øngu fyrir týna nema lífi sínu, hvárt er hann er ríkr eða óríkr"

    "Detta är min hand. Jag kan röra den, blodet pulserar i den. Solen står fortfarande högt på himlen och jag, Antonius Block, spelar schack med Döden."

    "All right," said Susan. "I'm not stupid. You're saying humans need... fantasies to make life bearable."
    REALLY? AS IF IT WAS SOME KIND OF PINK PILL? NO. HUMANS NEED FANTASY TO BE HUMAN. TO BE THE PLACE WHERE THE FALLING ANGEL MEETS THE RISING APE.
    "Tooth fairies? Hogfathers? Little—"
    YES. AS PRACTICE. YOU HAVE TO START OUT LEARNING TO BELIEVE THE LITTLE LIES.
    "So we can believe the big ones?"
    YES. JUSTICE. MERCY. DUTY. THAT SORT OF THING.
    "They're not the same at all!"
    YOU THINK SO? THEN TAKE THE UNIVERSE AND GRIND IT DOWN TO THE FINEST POWDER AND SIEVE IT THROUGH THE FINEST SIEVE AND THEN SHOW ME ONE ATOM OF JUSTICE, ONE MOLECULE OF MERCY. AND YET—Death waved a hand. AND YET YOU ACT AS IF THERE IS SOME IDEAL ORDER IN THE WORLD, AS IF THERE IS SOME...SOME RIGHTNESS IN THE UNIVERSE BY WHICH IT MAY BE JUDGED.
    "Yes, but people have got to believe that, or what's the point—"
    MY POINT EXACTLY."

    かかりおったわ!
  • mykkamykka Joined: Posts: 2,527
    I'd like to see Rose revamped quite a bit, with several new moves. Dont Chun Li her please.
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  • ES_CurseES_Curse Get ready for emanci-PAIN SON Joined: Posts: 8,367
    Here is Rose. I really didn't get to stretch my legs with this one. Let me know what you think.

    Interesting. If I may dispute anything, she basically reuses Chun's V-Trigger here, which I don't think is going to happen. Soul Satellite would be much better in this case.
    formerly just5moreminutes. I guess the clock ran out.
  • DarthEnderDarthEnder Dragon Force Kin Joined: Posts: 2,773
    In fact, the very next thing I'm going to do - after I'm done with Ryu's SFA3 scenario backstory, arriving in a few minutes - will be to completely translate her Japanese SFA3MAX story and winquotes, just to show the discrepancies between the Japanese one and the English translated version... That utterly ruined her.
    Unless the Japanese version of this character is literally the exact opposite of the NA version, you are wasting your time trying to convince people she's not complete shit as a SF character.
  • Darc RequiemDarc Requiem The Light Emitting Darkness Joined: Posts: 9,236
    edited February 26
    gian2412 wrote: »
    Why Rose have only two in power? If I remember correctly she is the only person who defeated Bison in a fight one vs one, if there is a female character who can have 5 in power without a doubt is Rose, at least 4. And No, I do not take into account the one whose name should not be said.

    You are confusing lore with game balance. The stats are based on how she plays in the game. Rose doesn't do a lot of physical damage. She has long rang pokes and relies on zoning. She's a "death by thousand cuts" characters. You can't really lock her down and she eats away at your lifebar while you trying to keep her in one place long enough to land big damage.

    Its like how Akuma always had the worst health rating in the game. Lore wise that's completely untrue. It's done for game balance reasons. Hugo tanked a Shin Shoryuken from Ryu in the lore. A move that would take nearly half his life bar in game. On the flip side, the vast majority of the Street Fighters would get KO'd by a Shin Shoryuken. Yet they'd only lose half their life bar in game.
    Here is Rose. I really didn't get to stretch my legs with this one. Let me know what you think.

    Interesting. If I may dispute anything, she basically reuses Chun's V-Trigger here, which I don't think is going to happen. Soul Satellite would be much better in this case.

    Soul Illusion was first. She had it in the Alpha/Zero series. It's more like Yang's Seiei Enbu if anything.
  • MiðgarðsormMiðgarðsorm Linguist, translator, et cetera Joined: Posts: 790
    DarthEnder wrote: »
    Unless the Japanese version of this character is literally the exact opposite of the NA version, you are wasting your time trying to convince people she's not complete shit as a SF character.

    Don't worry, I'm not trying to make you change your ideas, nor anyone else. That would surely be a waste of time, indeed. Thanks for your concern. You should be happy instead, knowing you're going to hate the actual version of the character and come with a criticism grounded in true facts! =)
    »Ich heiße Bastian«, sagte der Junge, »Bastian Balthasar Bux.«
    »Ziemlich kurioser Name«, knurrte der Mann, »mit diesen drei B’s.
    Na ja, dafür kannst du nichts, hast ihn dir ja nicht selbst gegeben. Ich
    heiße Karl Konrad Koreander.«
    »Das sind drei K’s«, sagte der Junge ernst.
    »Hm«, brummte der Alte, »stimmt!«

    E quindi uscimmo a riveder le stelle.

    "Tekr ok nökkurr minna manna konu nauðga eða leiðir nauðga til skipa, sá skal øngu fyrir týna nema lífi sínu, hvárt er hann er ríkr eða óríkr"

    "Detta är min hand. Jag kan röra den, blodet pulserar i den. Solen står fortfarande högt på himlen och jag, Antonius Block, spelar schack med Döden."

    "All right," said Susan. "I'm not stupid. You're saying humans need... fantasies to make life bearable."
    REALLY? AS IF IT WAS SOME KIND OF PINK PILL? NO. HUMANS NEED FANTASY TO BE HUMAN. TO BE THE PLACE WHERE THE FALLING ANGEL MEETS THE RISING APE.
    "Tooth fairies? Hogfathers? Little—"
    YES. AS PRACTICE. YOU HAVE TO START OUT LEARNING TO BELIEVE THE LITTLE LIES.
    "So we can believe the big ones?"
    YES. JUSTICE. MERCY. DUTY. THAT SORT OF THING.
    "They're not the same at all!"
    YOU THINK SO? THEN TAKE THE UNIVERSE AND GRIND IT DOWN TO THE FINEST POWDER AND SIEVE IT THROUGH THE FINEST SIEVE AND THEN SHOW ME ONE ATOM OF JUSTICE, ONE MOLECULE OF MERCY. AND YET—Death waved a hand. AND YET YOU ACT AS IF THERE IS SOME IDEAL ORDER IN THE WORLD, AS IF THERE IS SOME...SOME RIGHTNESS IN THE UNIVERSE BY WHICH IT MAY BE JUDGED.
    "Yes, but people have got to believe that, or what's the point—"
    MY POINT EXACTLY."

    かかりおったわ!
  • Darc RequiemDarc Requiem The Light Emitting Darkness Joined: Posts: 9,236
    edited February 26
    Anyway....this the character that popped into my head while I was working on Rose. I wanted her style to come off as rough and less technical. The goal was to give her a true "street fighter" vibe.

    Roxy

    Name: Roxy

    Nickname: The Rough and Tumble Rider

    Sex: Female

    Ethnicity: American

    Height: 5ft 9in(1.75m)

    Weight: 150 lbs. (68kg)

    B/W/H: 38-26-37 (97cm-66cm-94cm)

    Hometown: Metro City, USA

    Appearance: Roxy long straight orange hair that comes down to her waist. She wears a dark crimson long sleeve leather jacket, unzipped with a short black t-shirt underneath that shows her midriff. She has on matching dark crimson leather pants with black snakeskin leather boots. Her hands are covered by black leather weight training gloves.

    Likes: Poison, Her Motorcycle*, MCMA** Gym, Muscle Training, Shopping

    Dislikes: Haggar, Trains, Wimps, Bigots

    Fighting Style:
    Street Jitsu***

    Tone: Roxy is nonsense woman. That doesn't crap from anyone. If you don't respect her. You'll learn to....

    Origins: Roxy grew up in an orphanage in Metro City. She was tomboy and because of this she was ostracized and bullied by both the boys and girls of the orphanage. The few friends she did have began to avoid her so they wouldn't get picked on. That was until a new orphan showed up. He was different, but anyone that tried to pick on him learned not to. The hard way. He took Roxy under his wing. Taught her how to protect herself and even told her his deepest secret. Roxy didn't care. He was the sister she never had and they'd had each others backs every since.

    Her Rival: Olivier

    Attributes: Health: 3 Power: 4 Range: 2 Mobility: 3 Technique: 3

    Throws:

    P+K: Street Wise – Roxy stomps on her opponents foot and hit them with quick chop to the throat

    B+P+K: Giant Drop – a pro wrestling move she picked up in her time in Mad Gear. Roxy picks up her opponent, hoists them into the air , and drives them into the ground back first. Back Drop she learned from Andore

    Unique Attacks:

    Switch Blade– B + MP: A quick backfist to the sternum

    Abigail's Regards: DF+MP: (Overhead) A slow but powerful overhead right punch

    Handle Bar Strike – B +HP: Roxy hits her foe with spinning right back elbow, followed by a spinning left back elbow

    Patella Buster – F+HK: A fast front push kick to the knee

    V-Reversal:

    Heel Boy – F+PPP: Roxy picks her foes up by the torso and slams their groin into her knee (Reverse atomic drop), doesn't know down puts her opponent just out side of sweep range

    V-Skill:

    Lockdown – MP+MK: A quick forward or backdash (B+MP+MK)that travels half the distance of her normal dash. Can cancel all normal and special physical attacks from the dash. However any blocked canceled attack will be at least -4 on block. Dash has no strike or throw invincibility.

    V-Trigger:

    Unchained Rage – HP+HK : Roxy unleashes her fury. Gaining armor, on frame 3, and juggle properties on all of her physical attack specials. The grab range of Tough Love is also increased. 2-Bar V-Trigger. Three enhanced attacks will deplete her V-Gauge.

    Specials:

    Knuckle Duster -QCF + P: Roxy introduces her foes to her fist with a three punch combination. A left hook to the temple, followed by right hook to to the temple, ending with a quick uppercut to the chin. LP has no horizontal movement, starts up the fastest, but does not knock down. MP starts up slower, moves her forward slightly, and knocks down. HP moves her sweep distance, starts up the slowest, but knocks her opponent in the air for a juggle.

    Tough Love- HCB + P: (Command Grab) : Roxy grabs her opponent by jumping on their shoulders, wrapping her legs around their head, raining down two quick elbows to the top of the head, before flying to the air, flipping forward, and driving their head into the ground.

    Toxic Heel-F,D,DF +K (Forward, Down, Down Forward): A forward flipping somersault kick that goes over horizontal projectiles. Similar to Poison's Love Me Tender without the follow grapple. All versions knock down. Distance determined by the kick button pressed. EX version if fully projectile invincible.

    Birth Control-HCF+ K: A lighting quick dashing knee to the groin. Distance is determined by kick button pressed. -2 on block if properly spaced. Does not cause a knockdown except for the EX version.

    Critical Art:

    The Tenderizer-QCFx2 + PPP: Roxy charges forward and strikers her foe in the throat stunning them. She follows up with a dozen quick body punches and sends them flying into the stage wall with a powerful standing side kick to the sternum.

    Reasons to be in SFV:

    A budding Mixed Martial Artist with her own style. Roxy wants to use the world martial arts scene to garner notice from the CFC****. She figures if she can take down a few world famous martial artist, she'll net a huge contract from the CFC.

    *She calls her bike the Venom Rocket, birthday present from Poison.

    **Metro City Martial Arts – The MMA Gym Roxy opened with the money she “earned” in Mad Gear

    ***Self taught martial arts style. Roxy has become adept at picking up techniques for before and after he time with Mad Gear. If someone was using skill that was better than what she knew, she practiced it and used it to replace the less effective skill she new. Over time this developed into her own Mixed Martial Art. She initially opened up the MCMA Gym as way to learn more techniques after her time in Mad Gear ended. Eventually she grew to love learning new skills and putting them to use in the Cage.
    **** Cage Fighting Championship – analog to the UFC that I created for the Street Fighter universe. First introduced in my Canadian Street Fighter concept. Olivier St. Gelias

    Side note: Poison and Roxy share the same birthday. This helped make it easier for them to pull off becoming twin sisters. People look at their resemblance, see their birthdays, and don't question Poison's gender. Poison was integral to her surviving the orphanage and becoming who she is now. Roxy was more than happy to return the favor by helping Poison be who she truly is. They're sisters. Anyone that says differently eats a Knuckle Duster.

    Incoming mini-rant. I really wish I could lock down how my mind works. I had no intention of doing anything like this today. I was reading the thread. The whole off topic discussion happened and the idea for a Juli redux popped into my head. I figured I'd do that an be done with. While I was doing that, Juni came to mind. All the Soul Power permutations I was doing for Juli triggered the Rose thing. However the Roxy situation was even more random. I just saw @PoisonKiss 's avatar and thought...I wonder if I could come up with something for Roxy. I feel for real authors like George R.R. Martin. I have these little character concepts that I do on a lark now and then. With Rhonwen, he literally sat there unfinished for years. I couldn't imagine juggling an epic book with a multitude of characters. It was hard enough juggling the half dozen or so characters I interwove during my EQ2 RP days.
    Post edited by Darc Requiem on
  • Darc RequiemDarc Requiem The Light Emitting Darkness Joined: Posts: 9,236
    YagamiFire wrote: »
    A Rose in SFV that is designed not as a blatant rip-off of Lisa Lisa would be nice. Her design is inferior to Lisa Lisa in pretty much every way as it is...so change her up.

    Yeah I have no idea how to include Cult Jam in that concept. You can't have Lisa Lisa without Cult Jam. :smirk:
  • ShockdingoShockdingo Freelance voice actor & Reploid.PHD in Q speculation. Joined: Posts: 1,793
    @Darc Requiem Nice posts! Like what you did for Roxy quite a bit! I can sympathize with run-away-creativity hah. I keep getting ideas and scenarios I want to make alongisde projects when I have loads of things to do. Heck, the thing I'm working on now was a result of me getting a random idea on the way home from work and that pushed back another project heh.
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  • Darc RequiemDarc Requiem The Light Emitting Darkness Joined: Posts: 9,236
    Shockdingo wrote: »
    @Darc Requiem Nice posts! Like what you did for Roxy quite a bit! I can sympathize with run-away-creativity hah. I keep getting ideas and scenarios I want to make alongisde projects when I have loads of things to do. Heck, the thing I'm working on now was a result of me getting a random idea on the way home from work and that pushed back another project heh.

    Thanks. I really don't know what happened today. I got pissed at the servers. Lost like 500 LP and fell back into ultra bronze on PS4. I started reading the thread. Ideas started flowing into my head and I just started writing. Maybe I should get wrecked on SFV more often LMAO
  • Darc RequiemDarc Requiem The Light Emitting Darkness Joined: Posts: 9,236
    Birth Control-HCF+ K: A lighting quick dashing knee to the groin

    I'll be honest with you, I can't judge the rest because that part still cracks me up whenever I try to reprise from there. :rofl: :lol:

    Well, you know I like making people laugh =)
  • PoisonKissPoisonKiss Beautiful Disaster Joined: Posts: 962
    Anyway....this the character that popped into my head while I was working on Rose. I wanted her style to come off as rough and less technical. The goal was to give her a true "street fighter" vibe.

    Roxy

    Name: Roxy

    Nickname: The Rough and Tumble Rider

    Sex: Female

    Ethnicity: American

    Height: 5ft 9in(1.75m)

    Weight: 150 lbs. (68kg)

    B/W/H: 38-26-37 (97cm-66cm-94cm)

    Hometown: Metro City, USA

    Appearance: Roxy long straight orange hair that comes down to her waist. She wears a dark crimson long sleeve leather jacket, unzipped with a short black t-shirt underneath that shows her midriff. She has on matching dark crimson leather pants with black snakeskin leather boots. Her hands are covered by black leather weight training gloves.

    Likes: Poison, Her Motorcycle*, MCMA** Gym, Muscle Training, Shopping

    Dislikes: Haggar, Trains, Wimps, Bigots

    Fighting Style:
    Street Jitsu***

    Tone: Roxy is nonsense woman. That doesn't crap from anyone. If you don't respect her. You'll learn to....

    Origins: Roxy grew up in an orphanage in Metro City. She was tomboy and because of this she was ostracized and bullied by both the boys and girls of the orphanage. The few friends she did have began to avoid her so they wouldn't get picked on. That was until a new orphan showed up. He was different, but anyone that tried to pick on him learned not to. The hard way. He took Roxy under his wing. Taught her how to protect herself and even told her his deepest secret. Roxy didn't care. He was the sister she never had and they'd had each others backs every since.

    Her Rival: Olivier

    Attributes: Health: 3 Power: 4 Range: 2 Mobility: 3 Technique: 3

    Throws:

    P+K: Street Wise – Roxy stomps on her opponents foot and hit them with quick chop to the throat

    B+P+K: Giant Drop – a pro wrestling move she picked up in her time in Mad Gear. Roxy picks up her opponent, hoists them into the air , and drives them into the ground back first. Back Drop she learned from Andore

    Unique Attacks:

    Switch Blade– B + MP: A quick backfist to the sternum

    Abigail's Regards: DF+MP: (Overhead) A slow but powerful overhead right punch

    Handle Bar Strike – B +HP: Roxy hits her foe with spinning right back elbow, followed by a spinning left back elbow

    Patella Buster – F+HK: A fast front push kick to the knee

    V-Reversal:

    Heel Boy – F+PPP: Roxy picks her foes up by the torso and slams their groin into her knee (Reverse atomic drop), doesn't know down puts her opponent just out side of sweep range

    V-Skill:

    Lockdown – MP+MK: A quick forward or backdash (B+MP+MK)that travels half the distance of her normal dash. Can cancel all normal and special physical attacks from the dash. However any blocked canceled attack will be at least -4 on block. Dash has no strike or throw invincibility.

    V-Trigger:

    Unchained Rage – HP+HK : Roxy unleashes her fury. Gaining armor, on frame 3, and juggle properties on all of her physical attack specials. The grab range of Tough Love is also increased. 2-Bar V-Trigger. Three enhanced attacks will deplete her V-Gauge.

    Specials:

    Knuckle Duster -QCF + P: Roxy introduces her foes to her fist with a three punch combination. A left hook to the temple, followed by right hook to to the temple, ending with a quick uppercut to the chin. LP has no horizontal movement, starts up the fastest, but does not knock down. MP starts up slower, moves her forward slightly, and knocks down. HP moves her sweep distance, starts up the slowest, but knocks her opponent in the air for a juggle.

    Tough Love- HCB + P: (Command Grab) : Roxy grabs her opponent by jumping on their shoulders, wrapping her legs around their head, raining down two quick elbows to the top of the head, before flying to the air, flipping forward, and driving their head into the ground.

    Toxic Heel-F,D,DF +K (Forward, Down, Down Forward): A forward flipping somersault kick that goes over horizontal projectiles. Similar to Poison's Love Me Tender without the follow grapple. All versions knock down. Distance determined by the kick button pressed. EX version if fully projectile invincible.

    Birth Control-HCF+ K: A lighting quick dashing knee to the groin. Distance is determined by kick button pressed. -2 on block if properly spaced. Does not cause a knockdown except for the EX version.

    Critical Art:

    The Tenderizer-QCFx2 + PPP: Roxy charges forward and strikers her foe in the throat stunning them. She follows up with a dozen quick body punches and sends them flying into the stage wall with a powerful standing side kick to the sternum.

    Reasons to be in SFV:

    A budding Mixed Martial Artist with her own style. Roxy wants to use the world martial arts scene to garner notice from the CFC****. She figures if she can take down a few world famous martial artist, she'll net a huge contract from the CFC.

    *She calls her bike the Venom Rocket, birthday present from Poison.

    **Metro City Martial Arts – The MMA Gym Roxy opened with the money she “earned” in Mad Gear

    ***Self taught martial arts style. Roxy has become adept at picking up techniques for before and after he time with Mad Gear. If someone was using skill that was better than what she knew, she practiced it and used it to replace the less effective skill she new. Over time this developed into her own Mixed Martial Art. She initially opened up the MCMA Gym as way to learn more techniques after her time in Mad Gear ended. Eventually she grew to love learning new skills and putting them to use in the Cage.
    **** Cage Fighting Championship – analog to the UFC that I created for the Street Fighter universe. First introduced in my Canadian Street Fighter concept. Olivier St. Gelias

    Side note: Poison and Roxy share the same birthday. This helped make it easier for them to pull off becoming twin sisters. People look at their resemblance, see their birthdays, and don't question Poison's gender. Poison was integral to her surviving the orphanage and becoming who she is now. Roxy was more than happy to return the favor by helping Poison be who she truly is. They're sisters. Anyone that says differently eats a Knuckle Duster.

    Incoming mini-rant. I really wish I could lock down how my mind works. I had no intention of doing anything like this today. I was reading the thread. The whole off topic discussion happened and the idea for a Juli redux popped into my head. I figured I'd do that an be done with. While I was doing that, Juni came to mind. All the Soul Power permutations I was doing for Juli triggered the Rose thing. However the Roxy situation was even more random. I just saw @PoisonKiss 's avatar and thought...I wonder if I could come up with something for Roxy. I feel for real authors like George R.R. Martin. I have these little character concepts that I do on a lark now and then. With Rhonwen, he literally sat there unfinished for years. I couldn't imagine juggling an epic book with a multitude of characters. It was hard enough juggling the half dozen or so characters I interwove during my EQ2 RP days.

    I fucking love this. If/when Poison makes it into the game, I hope at the very least that Roxy turns up in the Character Story.
    SFV: Kolin, Laura, Menat. | IJ2: Black Canary, Cheetah. | MvCI: Morrigan/Gamora. | PSN: eleusiswalks
  • Darc RequiemDarc Requiem The Light Emitting Darkness Joined: Posts: 9,236
    PoisonKiss wrote: »
    Anyway....this the character that popped into my head while I was working on Rose. I wanted her style to come off as rough and less technical. The goal was to give her a true "street fighter" vibe.

    Roxy

    Name: Roxy

    Nickname: The Rough and Tumble Rider

    Sex: Female

    Ethnicity: American

    Height: 5ft 9in(1.75m)

    Weight: 150 lbs. (68kg)

    B/W/H: 38-26-37 (97cm-66cm-94cm)

    Hometown: Metro City, USA

    Appearance: Roxy long straight orange hair that comes down to her waist. She wears a dark crimson long sleeve leather jacket, unzipped with a short black t-shirt underneath that shows her midriff. She has on matching dark crimson leather pants with black snakeskin leather boots. Her hands are covered by black leather weight training gloves.

    Likes: Poison, Her Motorcycle*, MCMA** Gym, Muscle Training, Shopping

    Dislikes: Haggar, Trains, Wimps, Bigots

    Fighting Style:
    Street Jitsu***

    Tone: Roxy is nonsense woman. That doesn't crap from anyone. If you don't respect her. You'll learn to....

    Origins: Roxy grew up in an orphanage in Metro City. She was tomboy and because of this she was ostracized and bullied by both the boys and girls of the orphanage. The few friends she did have began to avoid her so they wouldn't get picked on. That was until a new orphan showed up. He was different, but anyone that tried to pick on him learned not to. The hard way. He took Roxy under his wing. Taught her how to protect herself and even told her his deepest secret. Roxy didn't care. He was the sister she never had and they'd had each others backs every since.

    Her Rival: Olivier

    Attributes: Health: 3 Power: 4 Range: 2 Mobility: 3 Technique: 3

    Throws:

    P+K: Street Wise – Roxy stomps on her opponents foot and hit them with quick chop to the throat

    B+P+K: Giant Drop – a pro wrestling move she picked up in her time in Mad Gear. Roxy picks up her opponent, hoists them into the air , and drives them into the ground back first. Back Drop she learned from Andore

    Unique Attacks:

    Switch Blade– B + MP: A quick backfist to the sternum

    Abigail's Regards: DF+MP: (Overhead) A slow but powerful overhead right punch

    Handle Bar Strike – B +HP: Roxy hits her foe with spinning right back elbow, followed by a spinning left back elbow

    Patella Buster – F+HK: A fast front push kick to the knee

    V-Reversal:

    Heel Boy – F+PPP: Roxy picks her foes up by the torso and slams their groin into her knee (Reverse atomic drop), doesn't know down puts her opponent just out side of sweep range

    V-Skill:

    Lockdown – MP+MK: A quick forward or backdash (B+MP+MK)that travels half the distance of her normal dash. Can cancel all normal and special physical attacks from the dash. However any blocked canceled attack will be at least -4 on block. Dash has no strike or throw invincibility.

    V-Trigger:

    Unchained Rage – HP+HK : Roxy unleashes her fury. Gaining armor, on frame 3, and juggle properties on all of her physical attack specials. The grab range of Tough Love is also increased. 2-Bar V-Trigger. Three enhanced attacks will deplete her V-Gauge.

    Specials:

    Knuckle Duster -QCF + P: Roxy introduces her foes to her fist with a three punch combination. A left hook to the temple, followed by right hook to to the temple, ending with a quick uppercut to the chin. LP has no horizontal movement, starts up the fastest, but does not knock down. MP starts up slower, moves her forward slightly, and knocks down. HP moves her sweep distance, starts up the slowest, but knocks her opponent in the air for a juggle.

    Tough Love- HCB + P: (Command Grab) : Roxy grabs her opponent by jumping on their shoulders, wrapping her legs around their head, raining down two quick elbows to the top of the head, before flying to the air, flipping forward, and driving their head into the ground.

    Toxic Heel-F,D,DF +K (Forward, Down, Down Forward): A forward flipping somersault kick that goes over horizontal projectiles. Similar to Poison's Love Me Tender without the follow grapple. All versions knock down. Distance determined by the kick button pressed. EX version if fully projectile invincible.

    Birth Control-HCF+ K: A lighting quick dashing knee to the groin. Distance is determined by kick button pressed. -2 on block if properly spaced. Does not cause a knockdown except for the EX version.

    Critical Art:

    The Tenderizer-QCFx2 + PPP: Roxy charges forward and strikers her foe in the throat stunning them. She follows up with a dozen quick body punches and sends them flying into the stage wall with a powerful standing side kick to the sternum.

    Reasons to be in SFV:

    A budding Mixed Martial Artist with her own style. Roxy wants to use the world martial arts scene to garner notice from the CFC****. She figures if she can take down a few world famous martial artist, she'll net a huge contract from the CFC.

    *She calls her bike the Venom Rocket, birthday present from Poison.

    **Metro City Martial Arts – The MMA Gym Roxy opened with the money she “earned” in Mad Gear

    ***Self taught martial arts style. Roxy has become adept at picking up techniques for before and after he time with Mad Gear. If someone was using skill that was better than what she knew, she practiced it and used it to replace the less effective skill she new. Over time this developed into her own Mixed Martial Art. She initially opened up the MCMA Gym as way to learn more techniques after her time in Mad Gear ended. Eventually she grew to love learning new skills and putting them to use in the Cage.
    **** Cage Fighting Championship – analog to the UFC that I created for the Street Fighter universe. First introduced in my Canadian Street Fighter concept. Olivier St. Gelias

    Side note: Poison and Roxy share the same birthday. This helped make it easier for them to pull off becoming twin sisters. People look at their resemblance, see their birthdays, and don't question Poison's gender. Poison was integral to her surviving the orphanage and becoming who she is now. Roxy was more than happy to return the favor by helping Poison be who she truly is. They're sisters. Anyone that says differently eats a Knuckle Duster.

    Incoming mini-rant. I really wish I could lock down how my mind works. I had no intention of doing anything like this today. I was reading the thread. The whole off topic discussion happened and the idea for a Juli redux popped into my head. I figured I'd do that an be done with. While I was doing that, Juni came to mind. All the Soul Power permutations I was doing for Juli triggered the Rose thing. However the Roxy situation was even more random. I just saw @PoisonKiss 's avatar and thought...I wonder if I could come up with something for Roxy. I feel for real authors like George R.R. Martin. I have these little character concepts that I do on a lark now and then. With Rhonwen, he literally sat there unfinished for years. I couldn't imagine juggling an epic book with a multitude of characters. It was hard enough juggling the half dozen or so characters I interwove during my EQ2 RP days.

    I fucking love this. If/when Poison makes it into the game, I hope at the very least that Roxy turns up in the Character Story.

    Given your affinity for Poison, you approval means a lot to me.
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  • PoisonKissPoisonKiss Beautiful Disaster Joined: Posts: 962
    PoisonKiss wrote: »
    Anyway....this the character that popped into my head while I was working on Rose. I wanted her style to come off as rough and less technical. The goal was to give her a true "street fighter" vibe.

    Roxy

    Name: Roxy

    Nickname: The Rough and Tumble Rider

    Sex: Female

    Ethnicity: American

    Height: 5ft 9in(1.75m)

    Weight: 150 lbs. (68kg)

    B/W/H: 38-26-37 (97cm-66cm-94cm)

    Hometown: Metro City, USA

    Appearance: Roxy long straight orange hair that comes down to her waist. She wears a dark crimson long sleeve leather jacket, unzipped with a short black t-shirt underneath that shows her midriff. She has on matching dark crimson leather pants with black snakeskin leather boots. Her hands are covered by black leather weight training gloves.

    Likes: Poison, Her Motorcycle*, MCMA** Gym, Muscle Training, Shopping

    Dislikes: Haggar, Trains, Wimps, Bigots

    Fighting Style:
    Street Jitsu***

    Tone: Roxy is nonsense woman. That doesn't crap from anyone. If you don't respect her. You'll learn to....

    Origins: Roxy grew up in an orphanage in Metro City. She was tomboy and because of this she was ostracized and bullied by both the boys and girls of the orphanage. The few friends she did have began to avoid her so they wouldn't get picked on. That was until a new orphan showed up. He was different, but anyone that tried to pick on him learned not to. The hard way. He took Roxy under his wing. Taught her how to protect herself and even told her his deepest secret. Roxy didn't care. He was the sister she never had and they'd had each others backs every since.

    Her Rival: Olivier

    Attributes: Health: 3 Power: 4 Range: 2 Mobility: 3 Technique: 3

    Throws:

    P+K: Street Wise – Roxy stomps on her opponents foot and hit them with quick chop to the throat

    B+P+K: Giant Drop – a pro wrestling move she picked up in her time in Mad Gear. Roxy picks up her opponent, hoists them into the air , and drives them into the ground back first. Back Drop she learned from Andore

    Unique Attacks:

    Switch Blade– B + MP: A quick backfist to the sternum

    Abigail's Regards: DF+MP: (Overhead) A slow but powerful overhead right punch

    Handle Bar Strike – B +HP: Roxy hits her foe with spinning right back elbow, followed by a spinning left back elbow

    Patella Buster – F+HK: A fast front push kick to the knee

    V-Reversal:

    Heel Boy – F+PPP: Roxy picks her foes up by the torso and slams their groin into her knee (Reverse atomic drop), doesn't know down puts her opponent just out side of sweep range

    V-Skill:

    Lockdown – MP+MK: A quick forward or backdash (B+MP+MK)that travels half the distance of her normal dash. Can cancel all normal and special physical attacks from the dash. However any blocked canceled attack will be at least -4 on block. Dash has no strike or throw invincibility.

    V-Trigger:

    Unchained Rage – HP+HK : Roxy unleashes her fury. Gaining armor, on frame 3, and juggle properties on all of her physical attack specials. The grab range of Tough Love is also increased. 2-Bar V-Trigger. Three enhanced attacks will deplete her V-Gauge.

    Specials:

    Knuckle Duster -QCF + P: Roxy introduces her foes to her fist with a three punch combination. A left hook to the temple, followed by right hook to to the temple, ending with a quick uppercut to the chin. LP has no horizontal movement, starts up the fastest, but does not knock down. MP starts up slower, moves her forward slightly, and knocks down. HP moves her sweep distance, starts up the slowest, but knocks her opponent in the air for a juggle.

    Tough Love- HCB + P: (Command Grab) : Roxy grabs her opponent by jumping on their shoulders, wrapping her legs around their head, raining down two quick elbows to the top of the head, before flying to the air, flipping forward, and driving their head into the ground.

    Toxic Heel-F,D,DF +K (Forward, Down, Down Forward): A forward flipping somersault kick that goes over horizontal projectiles. Similar to Poison's Love Me Tender without the follow grapple. All versions knock down. Distance determined by the kick button pressed. EX version if fully projectile invincible.

    Birth Control-HCF+ K: A lighting quick dashing knee to the groin. Distance is determined by kick button pressed. -2 on block if properly spaced. Does not cause a knockdown except for the EX version.

    Critical Art:

    The Tenderizer-QCFx2 + PPP: Roxy charges forward and strikers her foe in the throat stunning them. She follows up with a dozen quick body punches and sends them flying into the stage wall with a powerful standing side kick to the sternum.

    Reasons to be in SFV:

    A budding Mixed Martial Artist with her own style. Roxy wants to use the world martial arts scene to garner notice from the CFC****. She figures if she can take down a few world famous martial artist, she'll net a huge contract from the CFC.

    *She calls her bike the Venom Rocket, birthday present from Poison.

    **Metro City Martial Arts – The MMA Gym Roxy opened with the money she “earned” in Mad Gear

    ***Self taught martial arts style. Roxy has become adept at picking up techniques for before and after he time with Mad Gear. If someone was using skill that was better than what she knew, she practiced it and used it to replace the less effective skill she new. Over time this developed into her own Mixed Martial Art. She initially opened up the MCMA Gym as way to learn more techniques after her time in Mad Gear ended. Eventually she grew to love learning new skills and putting them to use in the Cage.
    **** Cage Fighting Championship – analog to the UFC that I created for the Street Fighter universe. First introduced in my Canadian Street Fighter concept. Olivier St. Gelias

    Side note: Poison and Roxy share the same birthday. This helped make it easier for them to pull off becoming twin sisters. People look at their resemblance, see their birthdays, and don't question Poison's gender. Poison was integral to her surviving the orphanage and becoming who she is now. Roxy was more than happy to return the favor by helping Poison be who she truly is. They're sisters. Anyone that says differently eats a Knuckle Duster.

    Incoming mini-rant. I really wish I could lock down how my mind works. I had no intention of doing anything like this today. I was reading the thread. The whole off topic discussion happened and the idea for a Juli redux popped into my head. I figured I'd do that an be done with. While I was doing that, Juni came to mind. All the Soul Power permutations I was doing for Juli triggered the Rose thing. However the Roxy situation was even more random. I just saw @PoisonKiss 's avatar and thought...I wonder if I could come up with something for Roxy. I feel for real authors like George R.R. Martin. I have these little character concepts that I do on a lark now and then. With Rhonwen, he literally sat there unfinished for years. I couldn't imagine juggling an epic book with a multitude of characters. It was hard enough juggling the half dozen or so characters I interwove during my EQ2 RP days.

    I fucking love this. If/when Poison makes it into the game, I hope at the very least that Roxy turns up in the Character Story.

    Given your affinity for Poison, you approval means a lot to me.

    Capcom is too keen on playing coy about Poison's backstory for this to be made official canon, but I really loved the way you put their history together.
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    Unrelated Side Note: I think @PoisonKiss is the only one that got my Lisa Lisa joke.....

    From head to toe, baby.

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  • Darc RequiemDarc Requiem The Light Emitting Darkness Joined: Posts: 9,236
    edited February 26
    PoisonKiss wrote: »
    PoisonKiss wrote: »
    Anyway....this the character that popped into my head while I was working on Rose. I wanted her style to come off as rough and less technical. The goal was to give her a true "street fighter" vibe.

    Roxy

    Name: Roxy

    Nickname: The Rough and Tumble Rider

    Sex: Female

    Ethnicity: American

    Height: 5ft 9in(1.75m)

    Weight: 150 lbs. (68kg)

    B/W/H: 38-26-37 (97cm-66cm-94cm)

    Hometown: Metro City, USA

    Appearance: Roxy long straight orange hair that comes down to her waist. She wears a dark crimson long sleeve leather jacket, unzipped with a short black t-shirt underneath that shows her midriff. She has on matching dark crimson leather pants with black snakeskin leather boots. Her hands are covered by black leather weight training gloves.

    Likes: Poison, Her Motorcycle*, MCMA** Gym, Muscle Training, Shopping

    Dislikes: Haggar, Trains, Wimps, Bigots

    Fighting Style:
    Street Jitsu***

    Tone: Roxy is nonsense woman. That doesn't crap from anyone. If you don't respect her. You'll learn to....

    Origins: Roxy grew up in an orphanage in Metro City. She was tomboy and because of this she was ostracized and bullied by both the boys and girls of the orphanage. The few friends she did have began to avoid her so they wouldn't get picked on. That was until a new orphan showed up. He was different, but anyone that tried to pick on him learned not to. The hard way. He took Roxy under his wing. Taught her how to protect herself and even told her his deepest secret. Roxy didn't care. He was the sister she never had and they'd had each others backs every since.

    Her Rival: Olivier

    Attributes: Health: 3 Power: 4 Range: 2 Mobility: 3 Technique: 3

    Throws:

    P+K: Street Wise – Roxy stomps on her opponents foot and hit them with quick chop to the throat

    B+P+K: Giant Drop – a pro wrestling move she picked up in her time in Mad Gear. Roxy picks up her opponent, hoists them into the air , and drives them into the ground back first. Back Drop she learned from Andore

    Unique Attacks:

    Switch Blade– B + MP: A quick backfist to the sternum

    Abigail's Regards: DF+MP: (Overhead) A slow but powerful overhead right punch

    Handle Bar Strike – B +HP: Roxy hits her foe with spinning right back elbow, followed by a spinning left back elbow

    Patella Buster – F+HK: A fast front push kick to the knee

    V-Reversal:

    Heel Boy – F+PPP: Roxy picks her foes up by the torso and slams their groin into her knee (Reverse atomic drop), doesn't know down puts her opponent just out side of sweep range

    V-Skill:

    Lockdown – MP+MK: A quick forward or backdash (B+MP+MK)that travels half the distance of her normal dash. Can cancel all normal and special physical attacks from the dash. However any blocked canceled attack will be at least -4 on block. Dash has no strike or throw invincibility.

    V-Trigger:

    Unchained Rage – HP+HK : Roxy unleashes her fury. Gaining armor, on frame 3, and juggle properties on all of her physical attack specials. The grab range of Tough Love is also increased. 2-Bar V-Trigger. Three enhanced attacks will deplete her V-Gauge.

    Specials:

    Knuckle Duster -QCF + P: Roxy introduces her foes to her fist with a three punch combination. A left hook to the temple, followed by right hook to to the temple, ending with a quick uppercut to the chin. LP has no horizontal movement, starts up the fastest, but does not knock down. MP starts up slower, moves her forward slightly, and knocks down. HP moves her sweep distance, starts up the slowest, but knocks her opponent in the air for a juggle.

    Tough Love- HCB + P: (Command Grab) : Roxy grabs her opponent by jumping on their shoulders, wrapping her legs around their head, raining down two quick elbows to the top of the head, before flying to the air, flipping forward, and driving their head into the ground.

    Toxic Heel-F,D,DF +K (Forward, Down, Down Forward): A forward flipping somersault kick that goes over horizontal projectiles. Similar to Poison's Love Me Tender without the follow grapple. All versions knock down. Distance determined by the kick button pressed. EX version if fully projectile invincible.

    Birth Control-HCF+ K: A lighting quick dashing knee to the groin. Distance is determined by kick button pressed. -2 on block if properly spaced. Does not cause a knockdown except for the EX version.

    Critical Art:

    The Tenderizer-QCFx2 + PPP: Roxy charges forward and strikers her foe in the throat stunning them. She follows up with a dozen quick body punches and sends them flying into the stage wall with a powerful standing side kick to the sternum.

    Reasons to be in SFV:

    A budding Mixed Martial Artist with her own style. Roxy wants to use the world martial arts scene to garner notice from the CFC****. She figures if she can take down a few world famous martial artist, she'll net a huge contract from the CFC.

    *She calls her bike the Venom Rocket, birthday present from Poison.

    **Metro City Martial Arts – The MMA Gym Roxy opened with the money she “earned” in Mad Gear

    ***Self taught martial arts style. Roxy has become adept at picking up techniques for before and after he time with Mad Gear. If someone was using skill that was better than what she knew, she practiced it and used it to replace the less effective skill she new. Over time this developed into her own Mixed Martial Art. She initially opened up the MCMA Gym as way to learn more techniques after her time in Mad Gear ended. Eventually she grew to love learning new skills and putting them to use in the Cage.
    **** Cage Fighting Championship – analog to the UFC that I created for the Street Fighter universe. First introduced in my Canadian Street Fighter concept. Olivier St. Gelias

    Side note: Poison and Roxy share the same birthday. This helped make it easier for them to pull off becoming twin sisters. People look at their resemblance, see their birthdays, and don't question Poison's gender. Poison was integral to her surviving the orphanage and becoming who she is now. Roxy was more than happy to return the favor by helping Poison be who she truly is. They're sisters. Anyone that says differently eats a Knuckle Duster.

    Incoming mini-rant. I really wish I could lock down how my mind works. I had no intention of doing anything like this today. I was reading the thread. The whole off topic discussion happened and the idea for a Juli redux popped into my head. I figured I'd do that an be done with. While I was doing that, Juni came to mind. All the Soul Power permutations I was doing for Juli triggered the Rose thing. However the Roxy situation was even more random. I just saw @PoisonKiss 's avatar and thought...I wonder if I could come up with something for Roxy. I feel for real authors like George R.R. Martin. I have these little character concepts that I do on a lark now and then. With Rhonwen, he literally sat there unfinished for years. I couldn't imagine juggling an epic book with a multitude of characters. It was hard enough juggling the half dozen or so characters I interwove during my EQ2 RP days.

    I fucking love this. If/when Poison makes it into the game, I hope at the very least that Roxy turns up in the Character Story.

    Given your affinity for Poison, you approval means a lot to me.

    Capcom is too keen on playing coy about Poison's backstory for this to be made official canon, but I really loved the way you put their history together.

    Very true. If I were at Capcom. I would have to leave things more vague. This how I would "Capcom" the origin. I wrote.

    Origins: Roxy grew up in an orphanage in Metro City. She was tomboy and because of this she was ostracized and bullied by both the boys and girls of the orphanage. The few friends she did have began to avoid her so they wouldn't get picked on. That was until a new orphan showed up. He was different, but anyone that tried to pick on him learned not to. The hard way. He took Roxy under his wing. Taught her how to protect herself and they shared a special bond. He was the family she never had. Through him, she was able to find her "sister" Poison.
  • gian2412gian2412 sorry for my English. Joined: Posts: 394
    gian2412 wrote: »
    Why Rose have only two in power? If I remember correctly she is the only person who defeated Bison in a fight one vs one, if there is a female character who can have 5 in power without a doubt is Rose, at least 4. And No, I do not take into account the one whose name should not be said.

    You are confusing lore with game balance. The stats are based on how she plays in the game. Rose doesn't do a lot of physical damage. She has long rang pokes and relies on zoning. She's a "death by thousand cuts" characters. You can't really lock her down and she eats away at your lifebar while you trying to keep her in one place long enough to land big damage.

    Its like how Akuma always had the worst health rating in the game. Lore wise that's completely untrue. It's done for game balance reasons. Hugo tanked a Shin Shoryuken from Ryu in the lore. A move that would take nearly half his life bar in game. On the flip side, the vast majority of the Street Fighters would get KO'd by a Shin Shoryuken. Yet they'd only lose half their life bar in game.
    Here is Rose. I really didn't get to stretch my legs with this one. Let me know what you think.

    Interesting. If I may dispute anything, she basically reuses Chun's V-Trigger here, which I don't think is going to happen. Soul Satellite would be much better in this case.

    Soul Illusion was first. She had it in the Alpha/Zero series. It's more like Yang's Seiei Enbu if anything.

    the attribute charts in Street Fighter V are based in lore not game if not how Birdie who has 4 in power does more damage than Bison who has 5 or how Akuma has 3 in Health like Nash, Ryu, Ken Guile among others however his life is less than normal; again Bison has 4 in Mobility like Ken, Karin, Laura, Chun-Li and is the slowest character in the game. That's what I mean if her current damage in the game is not very high I understand that Capcom do it all the time. Rose doesn't do a lot of physical damage ok but her Soul Power is used precisely to compensate for that, she imbues her physical attacks just like Bison therefore at least 4 my opinion should be 5.

    I do not try to be antagonistic, It is only my opinion about her, I have always considered that Rose is one of the most powerful characters in Street Fighter´s lore.
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  • PoisonKissPoisonKiss Beautiful Disaster Joined: Posts: 962
    edited February 26
    @Darc Requiem I like it because in the only official stuff about their relationship, it said Roxy was a cisgender female and disapproved of Poison's trans situation, which I think is sad. This is a more modern take, and I think would be more realistic, honestly. If Metro City is anything like NYC -- and it should be -- then the cis and trans sex workers are usually a team. You have each other's backs because nobody else will give a shit about you. I do LGBT community work and I know girls who were kicked out by their families and went through orphanage scenarios like this and wound up hooking, and they all had bigger things to worry about than what was in each other's skirts.

    I am most drawn to Poison, actually, because I think in many ways she's a very realistic presentation of something a lot of trans women and gay men go through on the streets, and I don't think the games shame her for it. They'll make jokes about her being 'mannish' now and then, but in general she's made something of herself, people respect her, and she's seen as sexy and smart. It's a pretty progressive take given that the character had less than progressive origins lol
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  • Doctrine DarkDoctrine Dark Yum Yum Joined: Posts: 7,462
    Darc, that's pretty much how I'd want Rose to look if she were included in V. Everything looks great.

    Great job, homie.
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  • SaturiusSaturius Joined: Posts: 604 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Those power charts are very unclear. Combofiend said they were gameplay related but others think it's story related. Eithe way, no matter what you believe, a lot of them are contradictory which is bound to happen when you try to qualify these things.
  • DaemosDaemos Survival of the Strong Joined: Posts: 10,498 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    edited February 26
    Saturius wrote: »
    Those power charts are very unclear. Combofiend said they were gameplay related but others think it's story related. Eithe way, no matter what you believe, a lot of them are contradictory which is bound to happen when you try to qualify these things.

    Combofiend/Capcom USA doesn't know shit. These are clearly story related attribute charts (hence they are grouped with the character profiles on the character select screen), and more or less line up with the story tierlists fans have come up with over the years.

    The only thing I will surmise is that every additional attribute point is exponential, so the gaps in power are significantly bigger than they appear to be.
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  • Darc RequiemDarc Requiem The Light Emitting Darkness Joined: Posts: 9,236
    edited February 26
    gian2412 wrote: »
    gian2412 wrote: »
    Why Rose have only two in power? If I remember correctly she is the only person who defeated Bison in a fight one vs one, if there is a female character who can have 5 in power without a doubt is Rose, at least 4. And No, I do not take into account the one whose name should not be said.

    You are confusing lore with game balance. The stats are based on how she plays in the game. Rose doesn't do a lot of physical damage. She has long rang pokes and relies on zoning. She's a "death by thousand cuts" characters. You can't really lock her down and she eats away at your lifebar while you trying to keep her in one place long enough to land big damage.

    Its like how Akuma always had the worst health rating in the game. Lore wise that's completely untrue. It's done for game balance reasons. Hugo tanked a Shin Shoryuken from Ryu in the lore. A move that would take nearly half his life bar in game. On the flip side, the vast majority of the Street Fighters would get KO'd by a Shin Shoryuken. Yet they'd only lose half their life bar in game.
    Here is Rose. I really didn't get to stretch my legs with this one. Let me know what you think.

    Interesting. If I may dispute anything, she basically reuses Chun's V-Trigger here, which I don't think is going to happen. Soul Satellite would be much better in this case.

    Soul Illusion was first. She had it in the Alpha/Zero series. It's more like Yang's Seiei Enbu if anything.

    the attribute charts in Street Fighter V are based in lore not game if not how Birdie who has 4 in power does more damage than Bison who has 5 or how Akuma has 3 in Health like Nash, Ryu, Ken Guile among others however his life is less than normal; again Bison has 4 in Mobility like Ken, Karin, Laura, Chun-Li and is the slowest character in the game. That's what I mean if her current damage in the game is not very high I understand that Capcom do it all the time. Rose doesn't do a lot of physical damage ok but her Soul Power is used precisely to compensate for that, she imbues her physical attacks just like Bison therefore at least 4 my opinion should be 5.

    I do not try to be antagonistic, It is only my opinion about her, I have always considered that Rose is one of the most powerful characters in Street Fighter´s lore.

    The Japanese SF changed Kolin's ratings when they revealed her 1000 stamina rating. On the US and Japanese sites, Kolin. has different stats for health.

    She has a 3 rating for health on the Japanese website

    http://www.capcom.co.jp/sfv/chara_kolin.html

    The US site has her with only 2

    http://streetfighter.com/characters/
    Post edited by Darc Requiem on
  • CestusCestus Sorry for my english :D Joined: Posts: 6,586
    Attribute charts are bullshit

    They was in Soul Calibur V, they are in SFV
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  • DaemosDaemos Survival of the Strong Joined: Posts: 10,498 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    edited February 26
    Cestus wrote: »
    Attribute charts are bullshit

    They was in Soul Calibur V, they are in SFV

    Irrelevant. They are the closest thing to an official canon tierlist we've gotten so far.
    gian2412 wrote: »
    gian2412 wrote: »
    Why Rose have only two in power? If I remember correctly she is the only person who defeated Bison in a fight one vs one, if there is a female character who can have 5 in power without a doubt is Rose, at least 4. And No, I do not take into account the one whose name should not be said.

    You are confusing lore with game balance. The stats are based on how she plays in the game. Rose doesn't do a lot of physical damage. She has long rang pokes and relies on zoning. She's a "death by thousand cuts" characters. You can't really lock her down and she eats away at your lifebar while you trying to keep her in one place long enough to land big damage.

    Its like how Akuma always had the worst health rating in the game. Lore wise that's completely untrue. It's done for game balance reasons. Hugo tanked a Shin Shoryuken from Ryu in the lore. A move that would take nearly half his life bar in game. On the flip side, the vast majority of the Street Fighters would get KO'd by a Shin Shoryuken. Yet they'd only lose half their life bar in game.
    Here is Rose. I really didn't get to stretch my legs with this one. Let me know what you think.

    Interesting. If I may dispute anything, she basically reuses Chun's V-Trigger here, which I don't think is going to happen. Soul Satellite would be much better in this case.

    Soul Illusion was first. She had it in the Alpha/Zero series. It's more like Yang's Seiei Enbu if anything.

    the attribute charts in Street Fighter V are based in lore not game if not how Birdie who has 4 in power does more damage than Bison who has 5 or how Akuma has 3 in Health like Nash, Ryu, Ken Guile among others however his life is less than normal; again Bison has 4 in Mobility like Ken, Karin, Laura, Chun-Li and is the slowest character in the game. That's what I mean if her current damage in the game is not very high I understand that Capcom do it all the time. Rose doesn't do a lot of physical damage ok but her Soul Power is used precisely to compensate for that, she imbues her physical attacks just like Bison therefore at least 4 my opinion should be 5.

    I do not try to be antagonistic, It is only my opinion about her, I have always considered that Rose is one of the most powerful characters in Street Fighter´s lore.

    The Japanese SF changed Kolin's ratings when they revealed her 1000 stamina rating. On the US and Japanese sites, Kolin. has different stats for health.

    She has a 3 rating for health on the Japanese website

    http://www.capcom.co.jp/sfv/chara_kolin.html

    The US site has her with only 2

    http://streetfighter.com/characters/

    The one in the game is the canon one.
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  • bakfromonbakfromon True Void Joined: Posts: 2,094
    gian2412 wrote: »
    gian2412 wrote: »
    Why Rose have only two in power? If I remember correctly she is the only person who defeated Bison in a fight one vs one, if there is a female character who can have 5 in power without a doubt is Rose, at least 4. And No, I do not take into account the one whose name should not be said.

    You are confusing lore with game balance. The stats are based on how she plays in the game. Rose doesn't do a lot of physical damage. She has long rang pokes and relies on zoning. She's a "death by thousand cuts" characters. You can't really lock her down and she eats away at your lifebar while you trying to keep her in one place long enough to land big damage.

    Its like how Akuma always had the worst health rating in the game. Lore wise that's completely untrue. It's done for game balance reasons. Hugo tanked a Shin Shoryuken from Ryu in the lore. A move that would take nearly half his life bar in game. On the flip side, the vast majority of the Street Fighters would get KO'd by a Shin Shoryuken. Yet they'd only lose half their life bar in game.
    Here is Rose. I really didn't get to stretch my legs with this one. Let me know what you think.

    Interesting. If I may dispute anything, she basically reuses Chun's V-Trigger here, which I don't think is going to happen. Soul Satellite would be much better in this case.

    Soul Illusion was first. She had it in the Alpha/Zero series. It's more like Yang's Seiei Enbu if anything.

    the attribute charts in Street Fighter V are based in lore not game if not how Birdie who has 4 in power does more damage than Bison who has 5 or how Akuma has 3 in Health like Nash, Ryu, Ken Guile among others however his life is less than normal; again Bison has 4 in Mobility like Ken, Karin, Laura, Chun-Li and is the slowest character in the game. That's what I mean if her current damage in the game is not very high I understand that Capcom do it all the time. Rose doesn't do a lot of physical damage ok but her Soul Power is used precisely to compensate for that, she imbues her physical attacks just like Bison therefore at least 4 my opinion should be 5.

    I do not try to be antagonistic, It is only my opinion about her, I have always considered that Rose is one of the most powerful characters in Street Fighter´s lore.

    The Japanese SF changed Kolin's ratings when they revealed her 1000 stamina rating. On the US and Japanese sites, Kolin. has different stats for health.

    She has a 3 rating for health on the Japanese website

    http://www.capcom.co.jp/sfv/chara_kolin.html

    The US site has her with only 2

    http://streetfighter.com/characters/

    The spider charts don't correlate to the bar charts even though they both use 25 total points as the max for both.

    The English and Japanese spider charts on the CFN site are both the same.
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  • PoisonKissPoisonKiss Beautiful Disaster Joined: Posts: 962
    I just don't understand the obsession with a 'canon tier list' when the writers are just gonna do whatever they want. There's no objective fact in fiction. This is like what we were saying about Superman vs Batman earlier -- who wins is due to writer fiat.
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  • DaemosDaemos Survival of the Strong Joined: Posts: 10,498 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    PoisonKiss wrote: »
    I just don't understand the obsession with a 'canon tier list' when the writers are just gonna do whatever they want. There's no objective fact in fiction. This is like what we were saying about Superman vs Batman earlier -- who wins is due to writer fiat.

    Of course there is object fact in fiction. The facts are determined by the authors or owners of the intellectual property.

    If you don't understand the obsession with SF canon tier lists after hundreds of pages, then you haven't been paying attention.
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  • SaturiusSaturius Joined: Posts: 604 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    PoisonKiss wrote: »
    I just don't understand the obsession with a 'canon tier list' when the writers are just gonna do whatever they want. There's no objective fact in fiction. This is like what we were saying about Superman vs Batman earlier -- who wins is due to writer fiat.

    I think its fun and interesting to speculte on. But Capcom just kinda dropped the ball a bit in my opinion with SFV. Especially since I believe they said that the story mode would give you a clear indicator of who beats who. Which it did, but it was still too muddled with too many extenuating circumstances with many of the fights imo. I appreciated the effort though.
  • mikrosmikros Yo, Joe! Joined: Posts: 1,036
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    I think the power charts try to be a mix of gameplay and canon where they try to reflect the gameplay attributes while tossing some extra points to bosses and removing some from joke characters, but it's quite inconsistent. It's no wonder that even Capcom representatives have no clue what that shit is supposed to mean.

    Birdie: 16 points
    Juri: 14 points
  • DaemosDaemos Survival of the Strong Joined: Posts: 10,498 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    mikros wrote: »
    I think the power charts try to be a mix of gameplay and canon where they try to reflect the gameplay attributes while tossing some extra points to bosses and removing some from joke characters, but it's quite inconsistent.

    Birdie: 16 points
    Juri: 14 points

    You realize that Juri in SF5 is no where near the power levels she enjoyed in SF4 right? Or did you think Juri was OP without her FSE? She's currently using one of the earliest versions of the FSE that she miraculously found in an abandoned SIN base.
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  • mikrosmikros Yo, Joe! Joined: Posts: 1,036
    Daemos wrote: »
    mikros wrote: »
    I think the power charts try to be a mix of gameplay and canon where they try to reflect the gameplay attributes while tossing some extra points to bosses and removing some from joke characters, but it's quite inconsistent.

    Birdie: 16 points
    Juri: 14 points

    You realize that Juri in SF5 is no where near the power levels she enjoyed in SF4 right? Or did you think Juri was OP without her FSE? She's currently using one of the earliest versions of the FSE that she miraculously found in an abandoned SIN base.

    Still:

    Cammy: 15 points
    Juri: 14 points

    , while it doesn't look that way in the story mode.
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