The Inevitable Street Fighter V Story Thread: A SHADOW FALLS!

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  • JackTenrac!JackTenrac! Dollar Yen - Level 304 Joined: Posts: 2,808
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    I bet everybody dies cause nobody was in street fighter 3

    - Or focusing on their own lives since Bison was defeated/killed/asplode and he was an anchor to some of the plotlines. Charlie's avenged. The dolls are released or died. The Illuminati probably dismantled Shadowloo the minute they used Fake Bison to kill off Seth and S.I.N. Now, they're probably in the last stretch of that in V with F.A.N.G. screwing things up as a possible spy since he looks like a Spy vs. Spy.
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  • Chun-Li_ForeverChun-Li_Forever Chun-Li Fan Forever Joined: Posts: 771
    LOVECYCLONE;10503461"]Anyway, new SFV illustration with the full initial roster. Bengus' compositions are always sexy.

    4nsmSBO.jpg

    Dolls' redesign here plus traffic warden Chun-Li.

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    Loving the new SF illustrations. I know some are hard to see, but do you guys see any clues that could reveal any plot details? I ask because the Tutorial Mode for the beta used Bengus art to move the "story". Maybe something could give us a small hint?


    Regarding the Ono's announcement on SF5's story mode being updated and expanded over time - this certainly hints at either of the two things:

    1) The game's Story Mode is essentially done in SF Alpha way, where each character has his/her own storyline, and there's really no true Final Boss this time as every character has his or her own nemesis, after defeating which their storyline will end

    2) The game's Story Mode is done in a Chapter-based way and, similar to 1), every character will have their own chapters where they go through their own friends and enemies, but after defeating the main rival, only their chapter concludes, but the mode itself continues onto the next character. This essentially results in a complete character rotation and allows expanding the story further

    I also think that the story itself will not go in a "Chapter 1 > Chapter 2 > Chapter 3 ... etc" model but rather have intentional blanks in it which will be filled by the DLC charactersm so every newcomer will expand and explain the main story of the game piece-by-piece, similar to how modern TV shows or multi-part movie/cartoon sagas keep the action going on and on and keeping you at the edge of your seat, meaning that we will only see the TRUE ending years later and not initially, but we'll be given hints at what is going on

    I think it would be interesting if story mode was broken down into sagas. Each season giving us something new: new characters to play as and against, new subplot, information that drives the main overarching plot, etc.
    It would definitely be engaging and have people who enjoy single-player content coming back to it.

    part of me wants to have each character have their own "chapter", but I would love to revisit old ones too. I would think the main characters (Ryu, Chun-Li, Ken) as well as the main antagonist (Bison, maybe Nash) would have the main plots revolve around them, so revisiting them and playing them again in future chapters and seasons would make a lot of sense. I don't want it to be where you finish playing a character in the first chapter of story mode and then you never play as them again, even if they are so pivotal to the story.
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  • HawkingbirdHawkingbird I am thou...thou art I Joined: Posts: 25,662
    I wonder if the dolls will play a part in story mode. There's got to be reason for redesigning them.
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  • bakfromonbakfromon True Void Joined: Posts: 1,969
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    @bakfromon: yes. This is Sagat's ZERO2 ending in english and the one I remember from my player days. In that ending he is painted like a mere puppet. Could be just a goofy and distorted translation. I'm curious if the original japanese version has the same approach regarding leaving his position. He should be more like "I don't belong to this place, sayonara annoying bastards" and start is reinassence from that point.

    Anyway, new SFV illustration with the full initial roster. Bengus' compositions are always sexy.

    4nsmSBO.jpg

    Dolls' redesign here plus traffic warden Chun-Li.

    BkxaCuX.jpg

    Well regardless of translation, Sagat's Zero 2 ending is actually just a continuation of his original SFZ ending. Even though he may have taken a leave of absence from Shadaloo after Zero 2, his official resignation wouldn't come until shortly before SF4, as evidence of Shadaloo agents approaching him during C.Viper's SF2 aftermath short. Don't know what to say about the whole being portrayed like a puppet. I kinda found it a suiting position for him, given at the time he was driven towards Shadaloo to fulfill a selfish vengeful vendetta.

    Great artwork. I feel like Bengus' SFV art is very reminiscent to his work in Marvel vs Capcom 2. All dolls besides Juli and Juni get fresh new redesigns accentuating their particular skill sets and native backgrounds.
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  • PVL_93_RUPVL_93_RU When's Dragon Ball? Joined: Posts: 10,021
    LOVECYCLONE;10503461"]Anyway, new SFV illustration with the full initial roster. Bengus' compositions are always sexy.

    4nsmSBO.jpg

    Dolls' redesign here plus traffic warden Chun-Li.

    BkxaCuX.jpg

    Loving the new SF illustrations. I know some are hard to see, but do you guys see any clues that could reveal any plot details? I ask because the Tutorial Mode for the beta used Bengus art to move the "story". Maybe something could give us a small hint?


    Regarding the Ono's announcement on SF5's story mode being updated and expanded over time - this certainly hints at either of the two things:

    1) The game's Story Mode is essentially done in SF Alpha way, where each character has his/her own storyline, and there's really no true Final Boss this time as every character has his or her own nemesis, after defeating which their storyline will end

    2) The game's Story Mode is done in a Chapter-based way and, similar to 1), every character will have their own chapters where they go through their own friends and enemies, but after defeating the main rival, only their chapter concludes, but the mode itself continues onto the next character. This essentially results in a complete character rotation and allows expanding the story further

    I also think that the story itself will not go in a "Chapter 1 > Chapter 2 > Chapter 3 ... etc" model but rather have intentional blanks in it which will be filled by the DLC charactersm so every newcomer will expand and explain the main story of the game piece-by-piece, similar to how modern TV shows or multi-part movie/cartoon sagas keep the action going on and on and keeping you at the edge of your seat, meaning that we will only see the TRUE ending years later and not initially, but we'll be given hints at what is going on

    I think it would be interesting if story mode was broken down into sagas. Each season giving us something new: new characters to play as and against, new subplot, information that drives the main overarching plot, etc.
    It would definitely be engaging and have people who enjoy single-player content coming back to it.

    part of me wants to have each character have their own "chapter", but I would love to revisit old ones too. I would think the main characters (Ryu, Chun-Li, Ken) as well as the main antagonist (Bison, maybe Nash) would have the main plots revolve around them, so revisiting them and playing them again in future chapters and seasons would make a lot of sense. I don't want it to be where you finish playing a character in the first chapter of story mode and then you never play as them again, even if they are so pivotal to the story.

    If Capcom would go for the " Revisit the old chapters" path of doing the Story Mode in future arcs/sagas, then I would love if they did that from the perspective of other characters
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    That Bengus art just flashed me back to my SFAlpha guide book so hard. Love it.
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  • Plaid_UnicornPlaid_Unicorn Camron should have won an Oscar for Paid in Full Joined: Posts: 9,860
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    Any chance that gets released stateside?

    Their MvC2 artwork is the fucking business man.
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    Daemos wrote: »
    bakfromon wrote: »
    Daemos wrote: »
    Time Mage wrote: »
    So, how powerful should we consider Juri to be, storyline-wise? Current Ryu level? Maybe not that much?

    FSE Juri would probably at least rank as high as SF4 Ryu who singlehandedly beat Seth. What's interesting about her is that she can simultaneously be of one of the strongest and the weakest characters of the game thanks to that eye of hers. One can argue that one good blow to the face could defeat her, but that would be difficult to achieve for most Street Fighters.

    I don't think it would be a total defeat for Juri if someone managed to extensively damage her FSE. Juri isn't solely reliant on her device like Seth is, and although it would probably provide a major advantage to her opponent it's not like she's isn't already a skilled fighter without it. Juri without her eye would probably be just as effective with her skills as Sagat is without his eye. The difference being that one is trained with ki extensively, and the other achieves ki manipulation through artificial means. If someone like Dan or Sean were somehow by a chance of luck manage to cause her FSE to malfunction it still wouldn't be a clear victory for them. They would still have a champion caliber fighter to deal with, just without the hax.

    Thing is we don't know what Juri's natural chi levels are, but I am willing to bet that the FSE allows her to manipulate levels of chi far beyond what is humanly possible for her (and most Street Fighters but a handful). At merely 25, she is able to do things only the upper echelons of Street Fighters can do. I'm sure she is an excellent world class fighter without the FSE otherwise she wouldn't have been chosen for the experiment. I just don't see her being able to generate the chi levels we saw with her experience and fighting art.

    Without FSE, she is at Karin or Cammy's level at best IMO. Both fighters trained extensively all their life just like Juri, so it makes sense for them to be around the same tier level.

    And is Bison really, really gone? how many times can you kill the dude? He comes back every time. I mean, Akuma kills him in the end of SFII and TAH-DAH, he's back in SFIV. Heck, He was killed in the end of SFalphaIII and he's still survived.
    However, the way he was presented. And one of his quotes was "Running shadaloo since bison's untimely demise is so taxing". Now given that the person saying this was wearing Bison's clothes makes me suspect of an imposter. maybe Seth from SIN? All speculation. But there is neutral interest as to why Vega and "Bison" has interest in Chun-Li.[/spoiler]


    The comics follow a different continuity from the official series.

    As of SF4, Bison was only 'killed' twice. Once at the hand of Rose 'many years' before SF4 (referring to Alpha 1/2 ending most likely) and once at the end of SFA3/SF2 as seen in the Aftermath video. In the official continuity Bison is not dead. Even before SF4 was released, Capcom Japan at one point stated that Bison/Shadaloo are alive during the events of SF3. It remains to be seen what happens.

    In the Udon continuity, Bison is dead. Killed at the hands of Akuma and everyone and their mother. I'm curious to see where Udon take this 'shadowy Bison-like figure'. They will likely revive him at some point to keep in line with the official timeline I think.
    Cipher wrote: »
    It's kinda sad that the dolls are still around. Why hasn't Cammy saved them yet?

    She tried. She, Chun Li, Guile and all 12 dolls got bodied by Juri.

    That is not exactly true.
    Chun got bodied,Guile too, every time Cammy attacked Juri, she just used Juni as shield.
    Juri attacked also every Doll one by one, Cammy had to fight all 12 at once in Alpha3 and still won.
    Yet Bison said at one point that all 12 Dolls together are strong enough to defeat him.
    Bison and Juri fought in the S.I.N Facility in the end of SFIV and from what I know defeated Bison her with ease.

    Juris FSE is also a unfinished prototype that stops working from time to time or deactivates randomly if she gets hit. It also turns itself of if Psycho Power hits Juri, because it would overload the FSE, what would lead to a explosion.

    The "save" Dolls are Juni and Juli.
    Juni woke up in the military hospital in London.
    Juli lost her humanity,doesn't speaks,eats or shows emotions. T.Hawk got her back in the of SFIV.

    Summary: Juri didn't fight the Dolls at their full strengh, Guile and Chun are weak, Bison doesn't care about Juri and Cammy rather lose a fight than hurting a friend.

    What? She only "shielded" herself with Juni once and it was to spite Cammy. It's not like she needs it.
    There's no indication Juri attacked dolls one by one. The scene begins with S.I.N. henchmen taking dolls one right after the other, and then we see dolls beaten up lying on the ground almost next to each other. I doubt there was a break between fights. And then Juri fought the last two dolls at the same time. They were hiding in their secret base, why wouldn't they be at "full strength"?

    Can you show me where Bison defeated Juri with ease?

    source


    It is just that the Dolls were weakened without the presence of Bison. It is likely he'd boost their abilities through Psycho Power. But with him gone or out of the scenery, the Dolls were more easy prey.

    But it is certain that Juri was fed with information about the Dolls fighting style and techniques, leaked by S.I.N.
    I guess the artificial eye is able to use that information to beyond human levels. While the Dolls probably met Juri for the first time, not knowing how to deal with her.

    Guile certainly was not weak, he made Juri angry in the OVA. But he had other priorities, Chun-li and Cammy too. To protect the civilians and secure the area. A full scale fight with Juri would surely lead to casualties.

    Cammy and Juri are tied in skills. It is just that Cammy does not try to demonstrate her assassination techniques. She wants to forget her past and not seek revenge. Juri tries to feed herself from hate and revenge. Two totally different characters.
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  • ShockdingoShockdingo Freelance voice actor & Reploid.PHD in Q speculation. Joined: Posts: 1,596
    Noatok wrote: »
    One thing regarding Charlie:

    I am not sure if it has been mentioned before or if it has been explained in the Charlie Nash comic (I haven't read it).
    But is it possible that the new greyish bodyparts Frankencharlie has in SFV are actually parts of Seth's body?
    I would say no, the biggest thing that has convinced me that those are all Nash's own pieces and not another person's is his face. Whether this is cloned or tainted tissue, it's still Nash and not Frankenstein's monster-style donor tissue. Looking at Nash's face, it matches - sure there's the colouration issues and scars, but it's not like his gray parts are illfitting or misshapen. I honestly think that he was really burned up and scarred and a treatment was applied to the wounded areas, but as a side effect they greyed out.

    Overall, I think he just got out and started on his mission before being fully and aesthetically finished. He's fully functional and not going to fall apart. (If you look at his skeleton nothing looks out of place, so I think the stitches are are just skin deep.

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    Umm...apparently Akuma is in Tekken 7. And, he's...canon?

    Good luck sorting out the plot guide now, lol.
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    Well, fuck me, next thing you know they'll announce Tekken being in the same universe as Street Fighter
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    Im kinda interested to see how Akuma's canon role in Tekken plays out. He owes Kazumi a debt for whatever reason, which is a first for his character. He looks like he's gonna play the role of her enforcer and subdue both Heihachi and Kazuya.
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    Eternal wrote: »
    I kind of want an official canon Tekken character in SF5 just to throw all you guys into a tailspin of madness.

    You monster.
    bakfromon wrote: »
    Im kinda interested to see how Akuma's canon role in Tekken plays out. He owes Kazumi a debt for whatever reason, which is a first for his character. He looks like he's gonna play the role of her enforcer and subdue both Heihachi and Kazuya.

    A debt for what I ponder? What could Kazumi or even her parents have done for Akuma 'decades ago' that's so heavy a burden that he feels obliged to repay it so willingly, and violently.
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    bakfromon wrote: »
    Akuma got left behind in the Tekken universe once Ingrid closed the cross dimensional time portal that linked both realities for SFxT.

    KAZUYA IN SF5! PLEASE! I fucking LOVED him in SFxT!
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    Akuma is afraid of Necalli so much that he has jumped to the Tekken-verse?

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    This image pretty much confirms Ryu, Necalli and Bison are the main players of this game.

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    I have a theory about Necalli being Ryu's rival in this game (as per the opening cinematic). Necalli's boss, i.e. the guy who Necalli is an 'emissary' for is the source of origin of SnH. This deity is pissed off that Ryu has rejected his 'gift' and has sent Necalli for retribution.
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    Did you really need that image to know Ryu, Bison, and Necalli are the main players this game? It's basically Bison and Ryu playing chess with everyone else being a pawn. And Ryu doesn't know he is playing chess. Oh and later Urien 'accidentally' knocks the table over half way through.
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    If they really did tie the two worlds together, I wonder if Akuma owes her for helping him control his "devil gene"? That would be wild.
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    So the SF universe is canon in the Tekken universe? WTF?!?!
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    Those new Bengus images just make me think even more they should have gone with a different artist.
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  • bakfromonbakfromon True Void Joined: Posts: 1,969
    It's not the artist it's just the style of art he's using to portray the characters this time around. It's very simplistic and uses a lot of angles, almost as if he's trying to incorporate the acuteness of the Roman numeral "V" within the essence of the illustrations. It's a new style he hasn't used for SF so it might not translate to what we're used to, but he has used this style in other works so it's nothing new in general.
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    Although it's a different form, he's still using the vibrant colors and vivid facial expressions he's known for when portraying Street Fighters

    Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but Bengus has already illustrated how his haters look after a hard day of hatin.
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    *wakes up, notices Akuma is in Tekken not as a bonus character, but part of the canon, goes to floss, begins exhaustive check to see what universe I currently reside in*
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    Shockdingo wrote: »
    *wakes up, notices Akuma is in Tekken not as a bonus character, but part of the canon, goes to floss, begins exhaustive check to see what universe I currently reside in*

    yesterday... *Harada gets up, brushes teeth, spikes up hair and puts on a purple suit. Walks to a volcano carrying "Tekken canon" in his arms. Looks down at it then slowly uncurls his hands, letting "Tekken canon" fall into the volcano. He smirks*
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    bakfromon wrote: »
    In Ingrid's hastily attempt to close the SFxT dimensional time rift she confused the name "Akuma" with "Kuma" on the list of which characters should belong in which universe. Subsequently, we now have Akuma in the Tekken universe, and Kuma in the Street Fighter universe.
    Apparently SF Kuma owes a debt to Zangief for finding him and taking him in as a pet. He now serves as his training partner, and frequently attends his matches.
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    Not even gonna "LOL" at this...because I'll wager it's factual. Nailed it.
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  • bakfromonbakfromon True Void Joined: Posts: 1,969
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    I'm guessing people are expecting more of Bengus now a days. Who can blame them? He can make Ryu look as charismatic as Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson, and make the Final Fight crew look like they're gonna kick Metro City's ass with nothing more than a little muscle, and a pebble the size of Mike Haggar's fingernail.
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    I feel the reason for the drop in art quality from Bengus might be because there's going to be a looooooot of comic panel art in the games story, so simplifying the art makes it easier to make everything look consistent.
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    I want to know how Kazumi foresaw Kazuya's turn to evil to request Akuma to assassinate him too. I have to wonder where Jin fits in all this.
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    how old are Rahid, Laura, Fang and Necalli?
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    francis22 wrote: »
    how old are Rahid, Laura, Fang and Necalli?

    Just estimates, but i think

    Rashid: late 20s
    Laura: early 20s
    Fang: late 30s-early 40s
    Necali: mid 30s
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    Chun-Li fights to break Ryu free from the Satsui no Hado

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  • DaemosDaemos Queen Bitch of the Universe Joined: Posts: 9,389 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    I want to know how Kazumi foresaw Kazuya's turn to evil to request Akuma to assassinate him too. I have to wonder where Jin fits in all this.

    I want to know how Akuma hasn't aged at all in at least 3 decades.
  • VolcanickVolcanick Rookie Magic Joined: Posts: 325
    YagamiFire wrote: »
    Kazumi paid off Akuma's student loan off

    Calling it now...

    The Devil Gene is Satsui No Hadou. Kazumi helped Akuma harness the power of SnH/Devil Gene and that is why he owes her a debt.

    Bonus round: Ansatsuken students come in 2's. Gouken/Gouki, Ken/Ryu. Jinpachi was the student alongside Goutetsu and branched the style into his own form, marrying it with more traditional karate forms.

    Yeah, I think this is the theory most are subscribing to. It definitely makes a lot of sense. That's what I instantly thought of when I saw the trailer.
  • francis22francis22 Joined: Posts: 35
    francis22 wrote: »
    how old are Rahid, Laura, Fang and Necalli?

    Just estimates, but i think

    Rashid: late 20s
    Laura: early 20s
    Fang: late 30s-early 40s
    Necali: mid 30s

    OK, thank you!, I think Necalli could be younger but it´s ok.

  • DaemosDaemos Queen Bitch of the Universe Joined: Posts: 9,389 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    francis22 wrote: »
    francis22 wrote: »
    how old are Rahid, Laura, Fang and Necalli?

    Just estimates, but i think

    Rashid: late 20s
    Laura: early 20s
    Fang: late 30s-early 40s
    Necali: mid 30s

    OK, thank you!, I think Necalli could be younger but it´s ok.

    Necalli is probably much older than he appears.
  • HawkingbirdHawkingbird I am thou...thou art I Joined: Posts: 25,662
    Daemos wrote: »
    I want to know how Kazumi foresaw Kazuya's turn to evil to request Akuma to assassinate him too. I have to wonder where Jin fits in all this.

    I want to know how Akuma hasn't aged at all in at least 3 decades.

    SnD is the secret for maintaining youth.
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  • francis22francis22 Joined: Posts: 35
    edited December 2015
    I am a newbie here, I was reading the other thread but it was deleted, so I have some questions to ask you!

    -Who won the World Tournament during SFII, SFIII & SFIV? Chun-Li, Chun-Li (again) and Ryu? Guile and Alex won SFII and SFIII?
    -How old are the SF characters? I mean, where can I see how old they are? I don´t find them...
    -When SFV takes place? Some say post-SF4 and some say post-SFIII, is this confirmed?

    Sorry if these questions have been answered before but I could not read them!
  • DaemosDaemos Queen Bitch of the Universe Joined: Posts: 9,389 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    edited December 2015
    Daemos wrote: »
    I want to know how Kazumi foresaw Kazuya's turn to evil to request Akuma to assassinate him too. I have to wonder where Jin fits in all this.

    I want to know how Akuma hasn't aged at all in at least 3 decades.

    SnD is the secret for maintaining youth.

    Can I get that in a syringe to go please?

    francis22 wrote: »
    I am a newbie here, I was reading the other thread but it was deleted, so I have some questions to ask you!

    -Who won the World Tournament during SFII, SFIII & SFIV? Chun-Li, Chun-Li (again) and Ryu? Guile and Alex won SFII and SFIII?
    -How old are the SF characters? I mean, where can I see them? I don´t find them...
    -When SFV takes place? Some say post-SF4 and some say post-SFIII, is this confirmed?

    Sorry if these questions have been answered before but I could not read them!

    I will try to help...

    First Question:

    SF2: The tournament set up unravelled towards the end as the characters closed in on on Bison's Thailand HQ. The final battle was likely Ryu v Bison at first as Bison attempted to make Ryu succumb to Psycho Power, thereby awakening Evil Ryu for the first time. This transformation was shortlived and Ryu was able to resist Bison as the fight was likely interrupted by others who also wanted a piece of Bison cake. Others like Chun-Li, Guile, Cammy, Ken, and Sakura intervened in their own capacity. Sagat was likely a witness to this entire event but did not fight Bison himself. After a dramatic battle, a cornered Bison pulled a Hitler and made it seem that he imploded. His base followed suit and also exploded. Bison and Shadaloo were presumed destroyed. There was no official winner of the tournament because the tournament never completed. (Source: SFA3 endings, Viper Aftermath OVA, SF4 TTTB, SF4 Prologues, and some educated guesswork).

    SF3: Most likely Alex, Urien would be my second guess. The SF3:2i tournament wasn't interrupted and was very likely finished to the end. However, most of the SF3 endings are independent of the idea of a tournament set up, which means they do not require the defeat of Gill for them to be true. This means that all SF3 endings likely happened in some capacity and it does not matter who won the tournament. (Source: SF3: 3s endings)

    SF4: Like SF2/SFA3, the tournament set up likely started to fall apart as things moved towards SIN's base and final event. Most endings in SF4 took place regardless of who actually made it to Seth. If you want a more straightforward answer, then it was Bison who won the tournament because it was he who actually defeated the real Seth. (SF4 epilogues. This 2 part video is very well made and can give you some solid perspective on the otherwise disjointed and occasionally hard to understand SF4 story)

    Second Question:

    The actual ages of the characters have long been abandoned. We can gauge some ages by appearance and demeanor. Other times we can come up with some relatively accurate estimates for many characters based on numbers (usually passages of time) that are still canon. Pick a character and we can see what we can come up with.

    Third Question:

    We don't know exactly when it takes place. But we know that it takes place in the 3-4 years between SF4 and SF3:2i. Could be closer to SF4 or SF3 in the timeline. And yes this was confirmed by a Capcom representative.

    Yes, these questions were answered before but no need to apologize. I'm sorry too that we lost the thread, but alas all good things must come to an end - So we can do them all over again.
  • True TatsuTrue Tatsu Senpuu or Seppuku Joined: Posts: 1,657
    I get the feeling that when SFxT got truly outrageous with Gems and micro transactions Namco had already committed some resources to their would be TvSF counterpart. So after distancing themselves from the capcom hate, this Tekken7 story idea and crossover character is the surviving concept.
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  • DaemosDaemos Queen Bitch of the Universe Joined: Posts: 9,389 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    True Tatsu wrote: »
    I get the feeling that when SFxT got truly outrageous with Gems and micro transactions Namco had already committed some resources to their would be TvSF counterpart. So after distancing themselves from the capcom hate, this Tekken7 story idea and crossover character is the surviving concept.

    Well I think they had to distance themselves for a time, but also they had to time the release of TxSF without interfering with the launches of SF5 and T7. The Akuma guest appearance will ease people back into the cross over and likely lead straight into TxSF in 2017/18.

    Let's also be honest, Akuma has nothing better to do.

    His quest to turn Ryu to the darkside which started in Alpha 2 came to a close in SF4. All he has is his training now (as seen in SSF4 ending and SF3). His would be fight with Ryu is probably destined to take place not less than 15 years after SF3:3s. That's when Oro predicts Ryu's training will be complete and he would have to use both arms against Ryu. You also can't force Akuma into the Shadaloo and Illuminati arc because really he has nothing to do with these guys (He didn't kill Bison, move on).

    This cross over appearance is actually perfect for Akuma to fill the gap between SF4 and SF3. In the SF universe he was just training, but in a parallel universe he was repaying a debt.

    The timing of Akuma's guest appearance, the release of SF5, T7, and subsequently TxSF is really convenient. I commend Ono/Harada for it, especially for the wise decision of holding back on TxSF.
  • francis22francis22 Joined: Posts: 35
    Daemos wrote: »
    Daemos wrote: »
    I want to know how Kazumi foresaw Kazuya's turn to evil to request Akuma to assassinate him too. I have to wonder where Jin fits in all this.

    I want to know how Akuma hasn't aged at all in at least 3 decades.

    SnD is the secret for maintaining youth.

    Can I get that in a syringe to go please?

    francis22 wrote: »
    I am a newbie here, I was reading the other thread but it was deleted, so I have some questions to ask you!

    -Who won the World Tournament during SFII, SFIII & SFIV? Chun-Li, Chun-Li (again) and Ryu? Guile and Alex won SFII and SFIII?
    -How old are the SF characters? I mean, where can I see them? I don´t find them...
    -When SFV takes place? Some say post-SF4 and some say post-SFIII, is this confirmed?

    Sorry if these questions have been answered before but I could not read them!

    I will try to help...

    First Question:

    SF2: The tournament set up unravelled towards the end as the characters closed in on on Bison's Thailand HQ. The final battle was likely Ryu v Bison at first as Bison attempted to make Ryu succumb to Psycho Power, thereby awakening Evil Ryu for the first time. This transformation was shortlived and Ryu was able to resist Bison as the fight was likely interrupted by others who also wanted a piece of Bison cake. Others like Chun-Li, Guile, Cammy, Ken, and Sakura intervened in their own capacity. Sagat was likely a witness to this entire event but did not fight Bison himself. After a dramatic battle, a cornered Bison pulled a Hitler and made it seem that he imploded. His base followed suit and also exploded. Bison and Shadaloo were presumed destroyed. There was no official winner of the tournament because the tournament never completed. (Source: SFA3 endings, Viper Aftermath OVA, SF4 TTTB, SF4 Prologues, and some educated guesswork).

    SF3: Most likely Alex, Urien would be my second guess. The SF3:2i tournament wasn't interrupted and was very likely finished to the end. However, most of the SF3 endings are independent of the idea of a tournament set up, which means they do not require the defeat of Gill for them to be true. This means that all SF3 endings likely happened in some capacity and it does not matter who won the tournament. (Source: SF3: 3s endings)

    SF4: Like SF2/SFA3, the tournament set up likely started to fall apart as things moved towards SIN's base and final event. Most endings in SF4 took place regardless of who actually made it to Seth. If you want a more straightforward answer, then it was Bison who won the tournament because it was he who actually defeated the real Seth. (SF4 epilogues. This 2 part video is very well made and can give you some solid perspective on the otherwise disjointed and occasionally hard to understand SF4 story)

    Second Question:

    The actual ages of the characters have long been abandoned. We can gauge some ages by appearance and demeanor. Other times we can come up with some relatively accurate estimates for many characters based on numbers (usually passages of time) that are still canon. Pick a character and we can see what we can come up with.

    Third Question:

    We don't know exactly when it takes place. But we know that it takes place in the 3-4 years between SF4 and SF3:2i. Could be closer to SF4 or SF3 in the timeline. And yes this was confirmed by a Capcom representative.

    Yes, these questions were answered before but no need to apologize. I'm sorry too that we lost the thread, but alas all good things must come to an end - So we can do them all over again.

    Thank you so much for the speedy reply! You have helped me a lot! But I still have some questions:

    -What's the chronological timeline of Street Fighter games?
    -Can you tell me when each game takes place and also year gaps between each game, please? I only know that SF1 took place in 1987...
    -Have M.Bison and Akuma ever met in the Street Fighter series? I thought that Akuma killed M. Bison in SF2...

  • DaemosDaemos Queen Bitch of the Universe Joined: Posts: 9,389 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    francis22 wrote: »
    Daemos wrote: »
    Daemos wrote: »
    I want to know how Kazumi foresaw Kazuya's turn to evil to request Akuma to assassinate him too. I have to wonder where Jin fits in all this.

    I want to know how Akuma hasn't aged at all in at least 3 decades.

    SnD is the secret for maintaining youth.

    Can I get that in a syringe to go please?

    francis22 wrote: »
    I am a newbie here, I was reading the other thread but it was deleted, so I have some questions to ask you!

    -Who won the World Tournament during SFII, SFIII & SFIV? Chun-Li, Chun-Li (again) and Ryu? Guile and Alex won SFII and SFIII?
    -How old are the SF characters? I mean, where can I see them? I don´t find them...
    -When SFV takes place? Some say post-SF4 and some say post-SFIII, is this confirmed?

    Sorry if these questions have been answered before but I could not read them!

    I will try to help...

    First Question:

    SF2: The tournament set up unravelled towards the end as the characters closed in on on Bison's Thailand HQ. The final battle was likely Ryu v Bison at first as Bison attempted to make Ryu succumb to Psycho Power, thereby awakening Evil Ryu for the first time. This transformation was shortlived and Ryu was able to resist Bison as the fight was likely interrupted by others who also wanted a piece of Bison cake. Others like Chun-Li, Guile, Cammy, Ken, and Sakura intervened in their own capacity. Sagat was likely a witness to this entire event but did not fight Bison himself. After a dramatic battle, a cornered Bison pulled a Hitler and made it seem that he imploded. His base followed suit and also exploded. Bison and Shadaloo were presumed destroyed. There was no official winner of the tournament because the tournament never completed. (Source: SFA3 endings, Viper Aftermath OVA, SF4 TTTB, SF4 Prologues, and some educated guesswork).

    SF3: Most likely Alex, Urien would be my second guess. The SF3:2i tournament wasn't interrupted and was very likely finished to the end. However, most of the SF3 endings are independent of the idea of a tournament set up, which means they do not require the defeat of Gill for them to be true. This means that all SF3 endings likely happened in some capacity and it does not matter who won the tournament. (Source: SF3: 3s endings)

    SF4: Like SF2/SFA3, the tournament set up likely started to fall apart as things moved towards SIN's base and final event. Most endings in SF4 took place regardless of who actually made it to Seth. If you want a more straightforward answer, then it was Bison who won the tournament because it was he who actually defeated the real Seth. (SF4 epilogues. This 2 part video is very well made and can give you some solid perspective on the otherwise disjointed and occasionally hard to understand SF4 story)

    Second Question:

    The actual ages of the characters have long been abandoned. We can gauge some ages by appearance and demeanor. Other times we can come up with some relatively accurate estimates for many characters based on numbers (usually passages of time) that are still canon. Pick a character and we can see what we can come up with.

    Third Question:

    We don't know exactly when it takes place. But we know that it takes place in the 3-4 years between SF4 and SF3:2i. Could be closer to SF4 or SF3 in the timeline. And yes this was confirmed by a Capcom representative.

    Yes, these questions were answered before but no need to apologize. I'm sorry too that we lost the thread, but alas all good things must come to an end - So we can do them all over again.

    Thank you so much for the speedy reply! You have helped me a lot! But I still have some questions:

    -What's the chronological timeline of Street Fighter games?
    -Can you tell me when each game takes place and also year gaps between each game, please? I only know that SF1 took place in 1987...
    -Have M.Bison and Akuma ever met in the Street Fighter series? I thought that Akuma killed M. Bison in SF2...

    This is my best guesswork:

    SF1 ---Months to a year later---> Alpha1/Alpha2 ---3-4 years later---> SFA3+SF2 ---Months to a year later---> SF4/SSF4 ---Months to years later (TBD)---> SF5 ---Months to years later (TBD)---> SF3:2i ---1 year later---> SF3:3s

    Bear in mind that each chronological event in itself also takes place over months to a year or more. For example all the events of Street Fighter 4 take place starting with Viper's investigation a few months after SFA3/SF2 and end almost a year later with the death of Seth etc.. But you can say that the entire story of SF games takes place in about 1 decade (starting probably in 1989/1990 with SF1 and ending with SF3:3s in 99/2000 but these specific dates don't really matter anymore - what matters is how much time took place between each game).

    Regarding SF5's place in the timeline. We knew from a long time before that SF3:2i took place 5 years after SF2. This is an old date and the timeline was likely squished. SF3 could now possibly take place 3 or 4 years after SF2 (or 2-3 years after SF4). We will know soon enough what and how much is being retconned.

    Before SF4's release we could say that Bison and Akuma met and fought, but since SF4 that event has been retconned out of the canon and is no longer considered true not even by both parties involved. So as of SF4, they probably never met or even know of one another's existence. Akuma's first appearance where he SGSed Bison is however still referenced in crossovers and whatnot for its novelty and nostalgic value.
  • bakfromonbakfromon True Void Joined: Posts: 1,969
    edited December 2015
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    True Tatsu wrote: »
    I get the feeling that when SFxT got truly outrageous with Gems and micro transactions Namco had already committed some resources to their would be TvSF counterpart. So after distancing themselves from the capcom hate, this Tekken7 story idea and crossover character is the surviving concept.
    The Ryu model Namco released sooo long ago for TxSF resembles the style they're using now for Akuma. Also, some of the game mechanics they were thinking for using in TxSF I'm seeing being used for this Tekken version of him, as mentioned in a 2011 interview with Katsuhiro Harada.
    Namco-Bandai's Tekken X Street Fighter retort? Not so much at the moment. Obviously the rival 3D follow-up is launching much later and is still in early pre-production, but a few glaring questions need to be answered before things can really crack on. Chief amongst them is the one pertaining to just how the hell fireballs are going to work in a 3D environment, against characters who can just step around them. Well Tekken Producer Katsuhiro Harada has finally addressed the issue. His answer? "F*ck knows"*
    Asked about the game's progress by the US PlayStation blog, and specifically about how he was going to make Street Fighter's combat mechanics work in a 3D environment, Harada-san rambled the following heap of words:
    "Obviously, the Street Fighter characters will have to have their fireballs. Ryu without a fireball just wouldn’t be…right. Obviously we’ll need it. When you look at executing a fireball in a 2D setting, it works almost like a jab. It keeps your opponent where you want them. When we bring fireballs into Tekken X Street Fighter, there are two different ways we could go. It could be used as something similar to keep your opponent in the place you want, or it could be some kind of a special move or powered-up version of their techniques. We’ve not decided on what route we want to take with this yet."Another element to think about implementing fireballs in Tekken is, how do you avoid them? When you play a 2D game like Street Fighter, you obviously can’t go back and forth in the screen — you usually jump over it. But in three-dimensional fighting games like Tekken you can sidestep. So do we want players to jump over fireballs? Or is it okay to sidestep them? That’s something we’re not decided on, we haven’t had enough time to look into it. We have a lot of staff, myself included, who grew up liking Street Fighter. I’m really confident that we can come to a good balance between the two worlds"
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