The Spider's Lair - Juri

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  • d3vd3v Coughing DAT PINK SPIT Joined: Posts: 36,748 mod
  • AriesWarlockAriesWarlock Joined: Posts: 3,455
    edited September 14
    nooo

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    "Umvc3 is a 2 player game the same way Super Mario Bros. was on NES. You gotta wait for someone to die before the other has a chance to play"
  • SkortSkort Joined: Posts: 898
    edited September 14
    Yea...like that is ever gonna happen...

    Juri is boss level when it comes to power,at least in the story..

    @AriesWarlock
  • stormdetonationstormdetonation CFN: nexoninja Joined: Posts: 367
    Guys... where are all the tier whores that I imagined would swarm a character's sub forum when they took a major?
  • Calamity SwordCalamity Sword Joined: Posts: 58
    Guys... where are all the tier whores that I imagined would swarm a character's sub forum when they took a major?

    Juri is no Akuma :D
  • ZioSerpeZioSerpe Fueled by nostalgia Joined: Posts: 1,010
    fuck I've been away for so long.
    Yeah uh cool, Juri won an event and he also did what 4th last week-end at OHN15?
    Just as he won the event I got an anonymus e-mail with a picture of @DevilJin 01
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    But let's not start stroking our collective shlongs just yet. She won out of player skill and relatively tame competition.
    Problems are still there and I hope the next season will deliver justice.

    BTW one tech I really liked by Infil was spacing the fireball in neutral to jump in range than jumping with HK covering neutral jump, jump back or getting a free in on block.

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  • AriesWarlockAriesWarlock Joined: Posts: 3,455
    new Rabbito



    "Umvc3 is a 2 player game the same way Super Mario Bros. was on NES. You gotta wait for someone to die before the other has a chance to play"
  • DevilJin 01DevilJin 01 Get some shill in yo system Joined: Posts: 56,828 mod
    ZioSerpe wrote: »
    fuck I've been away for so long.
    Yeah uh cool, Juri won an event and he also did what 4th last week-end at OHN15?
    Just as he won the event I got an anonymus e-mail with a picture of
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    But let's not start stroking our collective shlongs just yet. She won out of player skill and relatively tame competition.
    Problems are still there and I hope the next season will deliver justice.

    BTW one tech I really liked by Infil was spacing the fireball in neutral to jump in range than jumping with HK covering neutral jump, jump back or getting a free in on block.

    The tournament he won was vs probably the 3 best players of Juri's arguably worst matchup. Definitely a pretty legit win and a tournament he probably had no business winning if they had better experience vs Juri. Still a wins a win and he showed off how good Juri's s.MK really is and that she definitely fits his style the best. A lot of the other characters are too aggressive for him.


    Don't think Season 3 is going to save any Juri players unless everyone else gets nerfed into the ground. They've meticulously balanced Juri way too hard to likely give her anything that will greatly help her. People are just going to have to optimize their gameplay and hope everyone else gets nerfed into the ground.

    Ain't nothin, Capcom's ruthless still producin.  Cut em a check or find yoself toothless.  Keep it shill with no confusin.  Niggas say I'm shill...they ain't hard I can prove it YEEEAH


  • ZioSerpeZioSerpe Fueled by nostalgia Joined: Posts: 1,010
    ZioSerpe wrote: »
    fuck I've been away for so long.
    Yeah uh cool, Juri won an event and he also did what 4th last week-end at OHN15?
    Just as he won the event I got an anonymous e-mail with a picture of
    31115.png

    But let's not start stroking our collective shlongs just yet. She won out of player skill and relatively tame competition.
    Problems are still there and I hope the next season will deliver justice.

    BTW one tech I really liked by Infil was spacing the fireball in neutral to jump in range than jumping with HK covering neutral jump, jump back or getting a free in on block.

    The tournament he won was vs probably the 3 best players of Juri's arguably worst matchup.
    I'd say that they are definitively the 3 best Rashid player at the moment and that is definitively the worst Juri Match-up, but none of them has the pedigree of Infil, nor a Daigo, Momochi, Tokido etc.
    Played basically the same people at OHN15 and got 4th as I said.
    That said I think I'm done complaining about Juri, the more I play the more I feel like the dominos are falling into place and it's workable, with some headaches. I still think she's among the worst 5 characters in the game, but I see the distance between the lowest tier chars and the mid tier chars as very thin right now, she's got less good than most but not that much less. I think any little buff would go a long way to put her in a solid mid tier spot where it would be easier to pick up for more players, I mean it took me months upon months to get a clear idea of what I should do with her, and even if I cannot execute it perfectly I can see what I should have done or think about possible things I could have done.
    So I'm done advocating for buffs constantly.
    I've embraced the jacket on nostalgia costume because I cannot fucking remember to take it off half of the times.
    All I want now is a cooler looking Critical art.
    CFN - ZioSerpe
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  • SkortSkort Joined: Posts: 898
    Here's the thing,Juri works and you can win every matchup but you have to work for it,you had to in SF4 as well.
    It's not the end of the world but let's not kid ourselves here if you play her you are in for a tougher time.

    She will get buffs but they won't be something major.She is the type of character that won't see huge spikes in power but she will improve slowly overtime.

    I have developed quite a character loyalty to her and will continue to main her regardless of changes.
  • ZioSerpeZioSerpe Fueled by nostalgia Joined: Posts: 1,010
    edited September 29
    Fuck me... I'm impressed of how much more I understand this character lately, is like something has clicked, I still lose and I'm still not optimal in a lot of stuff, but I can see all the mistakes I make right as they happen, as result I haven't gotten mad at a loss in a week.

    BTW what happened to us guys? this was one of the few character forums that had daily posting and now we are going days without news? Where's your commitment to the cause?
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  • Lion_JakLion_Jak Joined: Posts: 1,050
    Menat does a better sf4 juri than juri
    And I think a lot of juri players also play marvel. Which I'm learning as well.
  • johnyr3djohnyr3d Joined: Posts: 67
    ZioSerpe wrote: »
    Fuck me... I'm impressed of how much more I understand this character lately, is like something has clicked, I still lose and I'm still not optimal in a lot of stuff, but I can see all the mistakes I make right as they happen, as result I haven't gotten mad at a loss in a week.

    BTW what happened to us guys? this was one of the few character forums that had daily posting and now we are going days without news? Where's your commitment to the cause?

    That's the best part of playing an honest character lol. With Ibuki you learn to win, but with Juri you learn the game.

    When you lose with Ibuki its because they guessed right; she bypasses neutral and goes straight into brainless 50/50s without conditioning.

    With Juri your 50/50s come from conditioning and the mental game. Learning spacing and whiff punishing is crucial, as well as making the best out of every knockdown, applying pressure and corner carry.

    Mika or Ibuki will carry you deep into platinum without having to stop and learn tons of match ups or crazy amounts of tech.

  • SkortSkort Joined: Posts: 898
    edited September 29
    ZioSerpe wrote: »
    Fuck me... I'm impressed of how much more I understand this character lately, is like something has clicked, I still lose and I'm still not optimal in a lot of stuff, but I can see all the mistakes I make right as they happen, as result I haven't gotten mad at a loss in a week.

    BTW what happened to us guys? this was one of the few character forums that had daily posting and now we are going days without news? Where's your commitment to the cause?

    I just play the game and don't really post as often anymore.

    Accepted her for how strong she is and trying to do the best with it. Will see how S3 evolves the game and will decide how long it will keep my interest. I also bought Killer Instict and i am trying to learn Rash ,the toad is a lot of fun and it takes me back to Battletoads,wich is one of my favorite games ever.
    Post edited by Skort on
  • FrozteyFroztey Break the Cuffs Joined: Posts: 9,427 mod
    ZioSerpe wrote: »
    Fuck me... I'm impressed of how much more I understand this character lately, is like something has clicked, I still lose and I'm still not optimal in a lot of stuff, but I can see all the mistakes I make right as they happen, as result I haven't gotten mad at a loss in a week.

    BTW what happened to us guys? this was one of the few character forums that had daily posting and now we are going days without news? Where's your commitment to the cause?

    Waiting for S3 cause I'm salty I'm not godlike enough but I'll never actually admit I'm not godlike enough and wait for buffs
    UK Based, SFV - Kolin, Juri
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  • stronzolostronzolo Joined: Posts: 356
    edited September 30
    I don't want buffs, I want every character to be as honest as her, I'm sick of some of the bullshit in this game.
    Let's face it, the only way to make her high tier would be to give her the same dumb things that the top tiers have and I like my Juri the way she is
    Post edited by stronzolo on
  • SkortSkort Joined: Posts: 898
    That's never going to happen.They are not going to change the majority of the cast just because Juri does not fit in the meta.

    You either accept her for how she is,accept the fact that despite all the qol changes she will get she will still be mid at best.

    I'm fine with a mid tier at best because I never really played top tier in any game.

    But if you want Juri to be truly a SFV character she needs tobe able to throw just as much crap to the opponent as she receives in every match.
  • AriesWarlockAriesWarlock Joined: Posts: 3,455
    Infiltration FVCUP @ 06:16:23

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    "Umvc3 is a 2 player game the same way Super Mario Bros. was on NES. You gotta wait for someone to die before the other has a chance to play"
  • stormdetonationstormdetonation CFN: nexoninja Joined: Posts: 367
    ZioSerpe wrote: »
    BTW what happened to us guys? this was one of the few character forums that had daily posting and now we are going days without news? Where's your commitment to the cause?

    Cheatin on Juri with Gamora. She's just keeping Juris seat warm tho.
  • GaruGaru Wanna play with me? Joined: Posts: 508
    I stop playing Juri seriously and I've commited to play Karin as a main, unless s3 change something I dont think I'm playing Juri on ranked again the salty levels she caused me were not healthy for me.
    SFV: Karin and Juri
    USF4: Juri, E.Ryu and Cammy
    KoFXIV: Kyo, Angel and Kula
  • LockMLockM Joined: Posts: 2,609
    Focusing on other FG's, waiting for S3, the same old shit.
    GGXrdR2: Baiken
    T7:  Jin
    SFV: Zeku, Juri
    USFIV: Yun, Cody, Guy





  • ZioSerpeZioSerpe Fueled by nostalgia Joined: Posts: 1,010
    You traitors, how can you even consider playing something that doesn't include Juri?
    Totally unrelated got Kil'Jaeden heroic down yesterday
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  • melikepies77melikepies77 Ugh Joined: Posts: 31
    Idk if this is common knowledge but if you do target combo cancel to store you can juggle with any strength dp in the corner afterwards
    SFxT: Poison x Asuka
    USF4: Chun Li, Poison
    SFV: Chun Li, Juri
  • ZioSerpeZioSerpe Fueled by nostalgia Joined: Posts: 1,010
    Idk if this is common knowledge but if you do target combo cancel to store you can juggle with any strength dp in the corner afterwards

    This gave me PTSD of all the time I am spending training to do TC xx store xx light DP xx CA
    CFN - ZioSerpe
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  • ahrenkahrenk Joined: Posts: 61
    We need more Juri costumes
  • Calamity SwordCalamity Sword Joined: Posts: 58
    We're getting a new V-Trigger :D

    Fuck knows what it is though
  • GaruGaru Wanna play with me? Joined: Posts: 508
    We're getting a new V-Trigger :D

    Fuck knows what it is though

    well at least It can't be worst right
    SFV: Karin and Juri
    USF4: Juri, E.Ryu and Cammy
    KoFXIV: Kyo, Angel and Kula
  • Calamity SwordCalamity Sword Joined: Posts: 58
    Garu wrote: »
    We're getting a new V-Trigger :D

    Fuck knows what it is though

    well at least It can't be worst right

    Never underestimate Capcom...
  • LockMLockM Joined: Posts: 2,609
    Garu wrote: »
    We're getting a new V-Trigger :D

    Fuck knows what it is though

    well at least It can't be worst right

    Want to take that bet!?
    GGXrdR2: Baiken
    T7:  Jin
    SFV: Zeku, Juri
    USFIV: Yun, Cody, Guy





  • SkortSkort Joined: Posts: 898
    This is a pretty big patch and a good opportunity for them to fix a lot of stuff when it comes to the game and certain characters.

    I have high hopes for S3 patch when it comes to Juri however i should really set my expectations low ,it's better for my own health.

    Having that said, i do wonder what her new vtrigger could be and tbh i would love a new vskill as well.

    On the main topic somebody suggested that she may get her old fuhajins back. I do wonder how will it work though, she gets to be a mad zoner for a limited time , would it be permament ? Or it might even be a bad choice since i doubt her fuhajins would be as annoying as...let's say Guile's booms.
  • ZioSerpeZioSerpe Fueled by nostalgia Joined: Posts: 1,010
    Speaking of serious things: one of my main problems right now is that I don't really combo from lights, I don't have it in my muscle memory, to an example there are a good number of times where I hit the opponent with a standing short and I know I should go into a jab light tensenrin combo but instead I just press standing medium kick and get nothing out of it.
    I know how to do the combo, I've got all the timings memorized, but I never do it instinctively.
    So the question is: should I just sit in training mode and do the combo over and over again till is ingrained in my brain or would it be more beneficial to switch to a character who heavily involves comboing from lights (not sure but I suppose Mika and Chun are good examples) for some time and train my brain to go to my lights more often?
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  • AriesWarlockAriesWarlock Joined: Posts: 3,455
    edited October 6
    We're getting a new V-Trigger :D

    #JURIBOYZ!!

    Really, I hope it's something cool.
    "Umvc3 is a 2 player game the same way Super Mario Bros. was on NES. You gotta wait for someone to die before the other has a chance to play"
  • MancubusMancubus "Let Me Hear Your Sweet Screams" Joined: Posts: 547
    edited October 6
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    Juri on the cover. Wooo!
    USFIV - Juri A Rank 17,000 BP

    SFV - Main: Juri - Sub: Cammy.

  • SkortSkort Joined: Posts: 898
    edited October 6
    I can see her new Vtrigger something similar to Scorpion's side switch as seen in this video.

    Would be cool if you got access to this new skill that you can combo in and frustrate the opponent,or make it be like a opener.She does a fast backdash and you can control if you want to attack from back or front in order to open them up and make them guess.Yes, Juri needs some dirty stuff.

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  • Calamity SwordCalamity Sword Joined: Posts: 58
    Mancubus wrote: »
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    Juri on the cover. Wooo!

    That's our season 3 buff :D
  • AriesWarlockAriesWarlock Joined: Posts: 3,455
    I was surprised they put Juri on the cover, I guess that means Capcom acknowledges her the importance of her fandom. Also, that Chun-li's right breast


    Infiltration at 09:10, 10:40 nice way to avoid Nadeshiko




    @32:45




    "Umvc3 is a 2 player game the same way Super Mario Bros. was on NES. You gotta wait for someone to die before the other has a chance to play"
  • LockMLockM Joined: Posts: 2,609
    Honestly, i still hope the issues her original VT have will be addressed at the end of the year with the coming of the balance changes. I like a new VT and all but her original VT still has so much potential...with a the right tweaks Hope they don't just ignore the old VT's.
    GGXrdR2: Baiken
    T7:  Jin
    SFV: Zeku, Juri
    USFIV: Yun, Cody, Guy





  • FrozteyFroztey Break the Cuffs Joined: Posts: 9,427 mod
    edited October 9
    Been meaning to write this for a while.

    The lack of options I feel playing Juri, especially when playing against high level opponents, really annoys me to the point that the character stopped being fun. I like her buttons, I like her combos but I hate how she's forced to give up her turn to store, or that she's forced to back up fullscreen just to avoid being punished for stores in neutral, I hate how her VT is short lived and doesn't allow combos from OH and that fireball knocks down so her VT fireball set-ups suck. I think her fireball should be way more + on block after seeing characters like Menat and Ibuki have these outrageously strong store-esque moves. I dislike that her 4f punishes are bad, have low damage output even with stores and without stores/bar you can't secure a knockdown. Juri isn't worth it atm, if I'm against anybody who is on the same level as me - I do honestly feel handicapped by her. Her store design limits the player into very shortlived pressure due to the one-time nature of her release specials. I like the characters personality, design and gameplay but a lot of the issues within her design have put me off trying or just get me frustrated when I'm in matches.

    "Oh shit, I'm out of resources. I can't close the gap now, I either run or try to start some block pressure somehow to get a safe store." or "I'm pressuring with a lack of stores, do I really need to spend a bar for a knockdown here or do I just LK.Pinwheel for a restand?"

    All of this is annoying, and good players won't let you store for free. No EX stores to get everything immediately and tons of consistency issues with counter-hit strings like cr.lp > st.mp > st.mk not combo'ing correctly due to counter-hit pushback ruin things for me. I can't be bothered to invest time into Juri any more, I really can't push the character far enough this season. I'm out until Season 3 because I'm not having fun against high level players. And that really makes me sad.

    I've got a lot of hours on Juri, but couldn't keep Diamond with her because of how poorly I personally performed with the character. But these are my suggestions for what I'd like to see in S3 for her, and it'll probably be my last suggestion list, and is a changelist that I think would easily put her in top 5 territory - but every change stems from an issue I have with the design, looking to correct design issues as opposed to just buffing her senselessly.

    - LK.Pinwheel to knockdown.
    Storeless combo enders need to be better and give knockdowns. MK.Ryo doesn't cover backrise/quickrise effectively, LK.Pinwheel to give better oki but less corner carry than MK.Ryo. Also improves cr.mk confirms and jab confirms.

    - St.mp pushback on hit/block greatly reduced.
    Block pressure needs to become stronger, and makes counter-hit combos less inconsistent. Potential tick throw game from st.mp.

    - Store hitbox greatly expanded forward.
    More blockstring options for safe stores, with better spacing potential post-block. Also helps timing of fireball dissipation.

    - LK.release to be +1 on block, projectile speed increased 10%.
    LK.release as a "one-off" special is not strong enough, increase projectile speed to balance out spaced fireball pressure and create tighter block pressure, also allows further combo potential via cancels.

    - HK.release damage nerf from season 1 reverted.
    No need for damage decrease, unsure why this happened in the first place.

    - V-Trigger cancelled normals into normals cost less V-Meter, damage of store specials increased whilst in VT, fireball no longer knocks down.
    V-Trigger needs extreme revamp to be anywhere near as strong as other 3-bar installs.(See Bison, Ken.)

    - EX Store added to allow all three stores at once.
    This is an almost necessary requirement to allow Juri to sacrifice meter for fast resource gain.

    - Round start with all 3 stored specials available.
    Juri does not need to backdash every round start considering her rushdown rework in SFV. Completely counter-intuitive.

    The aim of my balance adjustments is to empower her stores, improve her weak block pressure via a st.mp adjustment and improved LK.release whilst retaining the precise nature of her neutral and pressure.
    Post edited by Froztey on
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  • GaruGaru Wanna play with me? Joined: Posts: 508
    @Froztey I'm just surprised it took you this long to wake up, anyway I agreed with almost everything you listed except for one thing.

    -EX store its silly imo, just start the round with the 3 stores and improve the store hit box as you said and with more push back on block and on hit for more juggle potential as it was in SF4, I'd like to be able to juggle of a store with ST.MKxxFireball to restart the pressure.



    SFV: Karin and Juri
    USF4: Juri, E.Ryu and Cammy
    KoFXIV: Kyo, Angel and Kula
  • FrozteyFroztey Break the Cuffs Joined: Posts: 9,427 mod
    edited October 9
    It's not that I hadn't realised she was bad, every time I play people the first question I get asked is "Why do you play Juri?" hell my friend who got into SF one week ago told me to drop Juri because she's ass.

    I always thought it was the character holding me back a bit but to be completely honest it's me playing poorly. I suck at optimising Juri, I'm bad at playing hit&run and want to play nonstop aggression.

    But she's so fuuuuuun D: but the issue about her being fun is that whilst she's fun SFV is only fun at high level, so to stay at high level I either need to improve a lot or stay on Kolin. I don't wanna feel like I gave up and plateau'd though. That's like admitting defeat.
    UK Based, SFV - Kolin, Juri
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