Vega's flying grab move.

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Now I hardly play this game and even more so hardly play it online. Today I had the urge to play it and did so online.

I got my arse handed to me by a number of players but one person striked out the most with one move. He kept doing a flying grab move with vega that seemed very imposible to get by. I couldnt work out how it was supposed to be blocked as it grabbed when I stood and was unblockable if I ducked. Counters didnt do much either.

I'm crap at it but I can still find counters most of the time but this was imposible.

What's up with that move?

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  • KyokujiKyokuji Needlessly Perverted Joined: Posts: 2,926
    Frankly, I was really glad when they broke this move in AE.

    It's basically a 50-50 situation that he can repeat over and over again as long as he keeps getting knockdowns.
    Unless you've got a reversal, that dive is going to be a problem on wake-up no matter what you do. Even guys like Gian and Chikyuu eat 3 or more in a row sometimes.
    If you're playing a shoto just DP or air hurricane him out of it if you're already off the ground.
    Same goes for Fei-Long, Chun', Dee-Jay, Guile, etc, minus the hurricane. Honda can just LP headbutt him out of it, and 'Gief can crouch lariat.

    Some characters have standing normals that will hit him out of it, such as Dhalsim's back LP. He can use his teleport to get away as well.

    It's pretty much just a guessing game in terms of figuring out whether he's going to bluff, cross you up, hit you facing forward, throw you, or sky claw instead.
    Because of how quick the sky claw is, it's safer to hold back/duck while you wait to DP.
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  • OuroborusOuroborus plays 3s just to troll Joined: Posts: 7,211 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Frankly, I was really glad when they broke this move in AE.

    and this along with o. sagat being neutered is why i rather play ST than sf2: ae
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  • JonnyQuestJonnyQuest burst off in yo mouf Joined: Posts: 1,391 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    i thought that vega's off the wall was bad to use. it gets punished so easily,right?
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    i thought that vega's off the wall was bad to use. it gets punished so easily,right?

    Your wrong, maybe when off-line but online in kaillera its very hard to get round due to the delay.

    The opponent was timing it as I get up from the knock down meaning I had very little time to do a counter.

    Balrogs headbutt rising move wouldnt even hit.
  • KyokujiKyokuji Needlessly Perverted Joined: Posts: 2,926
    Try using the LP version. His c. FP might do something as well, I'm not sure.
    Vega's wall dive is lousy if you just do it out of the blue, but if you do it after a knockdown, you force them to guess from a half a dozen different options, and you give them less time to react.
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  • OuroborusOuroborus plays 3s just to troll Joined: Posts: 7,211 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    blanka has the easiest time dealing with the flying shenanigans.

    too bad all of vega's normals eat him alive.
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  • epsilon_epsilon_ helpful Joined: Posts: 3,582
    straight up jump lk/lp.
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    straight up jump lk/lp.

    didnt work.

    And I was doing balrogs rising headbut with the LP.
  • OuroborusOuroborus plays 3s just to troll Joined: Posts: 7,211 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    try using balrogs dash uppercut (charge back, forward +k)

    if you are using balrog, you should be able to pin vega down. dash punches, standing hp, c.mk should be able to prevent him from leaving the ground.

    even if the rising headbutt doesnt hit, the recovery time is not too bad, you'll avoid it, and it sends balrog far away from vega
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  • NKINKI Mashers Joined: Posts: 1,788
    I couldnt work out how it was supposed to be blocked as it grabbed when I stood and was unblockable if I ducked.
    Can't tell by your post if you already know this or not, but just like any jumping attack, you have to stand up to block the wall dive.

    With Boxer, I would use the Fierce head butt. It won't hit, but it will get you out of that situation.
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  • KyokujiKyokuji Needlessly Perverted Joined: Posts: 2,926
    I think he's saying that if he stands up, he gets thrown. If he tries to duck it, he gets hit.
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  • NKINKI Mashers Joined: Posts: 1,788
    Right, but it sounded like he didn't know the wall dive can be blocked standing.

    Also it should be noted that you can be thrown even if you duck.
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    You can't block any grabs (throws). Use Balrog's fierce headbut to escape this trap if he does it to you when you are getting up off the ground. If he tries it on you when you are already standing, you have a shitload of counters to choose from.
  • felinekifelineki Joined: Posts: 981
    Just wondering, what exactly did they change about this move in AE?
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  • GoryusGoryus Joined: Posts: 232
    I hope it's just that they made it really hard to do consistently, because I have that trouble in AE but not on the actual ST machine.
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  • KyokujiKyokuji Needlessly Perverted Joined: Posts: 2,926
    You have to do :d::k::u: in AE instead of :d::u::k:.
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Cool, I see the Fierce Headbut allows you to dodge.

    Thanks.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    You have to do :d::k::u: in AE instead of :d::u::k:.

    Does this apply to both the PS2 and XBox versions of AE?

    Also, anybody have tips on what Bison (Dictator) should do if he's caught in this trap?
  • fatboyfatboy I beat anorexia: 10-0 Joined: Posts: 1,853
    Does this apply to both the PS2 and XBox versions of AE?

    Applies to PS2 only.
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Bison can try to super if it's charged, do a torpedo (which has an extremely small window of invulnerability which won't get him out but will charge his meter), or else try to guess which way to block. Either way, he needs to die like the French freak that he is...
  • KyokujiKyokuji Needlessly Perverted Joined: Posts: 2,926
    French? Lol.
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Vega is from Spain...so a safe *assumption* would be that he's...Spanish =P
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Sorry, my last comment was directed towards Bison (Dictator). And you guys didn't know he was French?
  • bk2099bk2099 Joined: Posts: 99
    not sure if it's been mentioned before but in ST o.Claw also has the wall dive glitch, could be that's where his AE glitch comes from
  • KyokujiKyokuji Needlessly Perverted Joined: Posts: 2,926
    Uh, Bison wasn't french last time I checked. They never say anything about what his nationality is, just that his base is in Thailand.
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  • JubeiNinja69JubeiNinja69 Playing To Win Joined: Posts: 1,158
    if i have the super i like to bluff it or do the flying grab or claw after a knockdown.
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