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  • DANZANDANZAN NO SQUIGGERINO Joined: Posts: 6,566
    short vid i made awhile back covering themes in P3 to P5 , you might learn something new and maybe you won't.
    putting it up here anyway.

    angelpalm wrote: »
    People have to complain to counter act that massive influx of idiot gamers that just eat whatever shit pie developers and studios crap out in front of them. If people didn't complain we would all be playing NMS for years right along side the martian.
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    NeloVergil wrote: »
    Can anyone remember if the theme for P5 is actually the 7 deadly sins (P3 was death or rather the inevitability of it)? Or what the current tarot deck their using is? Knowing which tarot deck could actually give alot of insight to the theme and story.

    I think P5 theme is being restricted and trying to break free. You right that P3 theme was death, and P4 was truth. But if I remember 5 has somethin to do with breaking free
    P3, P4 and the MMO are the only SMT games I really played. A friend loan me Strange Journey but I couldn't get past the slow beginning.

    I 2nd Darkstalker on going straight to Digital Devil if you on finished P3/4. DDS just feels like a more strategic persona. And I emphasize strategic because foreal sometimes even in a random battle a simple mistake can get you a game over lol
  • ChiroChiro Not actually pronounced cheero Joined: Posts: 2,317
    edited May 2016
    ExposedD wrote: »
    short vid i made awhile back covering themes in P3 to P5 , you might learn something new and maybe you won't.
    putting it up here anyway.


    P4 over did the cheeriness considering the plot was about solving serial murders it made me really unable to take anything about it seriously because it didn't even seem to take itself seriously. even the revelations each character had wasn't that big of a deal. i finally tapped out after i saw Yusuke trigger his shadow with petty bullshit after seeing multiple examples of how it kept producing powerful enemies. sure Junpei may have gotten in some bad situations and had to bailed out, but at least he never created the dam boss himself.


    anyhow regarding SMT4 i finally got past the Minotaur after taunting him and getting super fucking lucky. i then went down a bit saw all the actuall cool shit in the game cause fuck Mikado and then got one shotted by fucking Medusa. im really not getting to Apocalypse anytime soon at this rate.

    Edit: i updated the OP with an English sub of the Persona 5 trailer
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  • Rick RossRick Ross Niggaposi☆Continues Joined: Posts: 5,641
    Does anyone know what P5's performance differences will be like between the Triple and the Quatro?

    I know 60fps isn't necessarily imperative for turn-based RPG's, but it's always nice to have it.

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  • ChiroChiro Not actually pronounced cheero Joined: Posts: 2,317
    Rick Ross wrote: »
    Does anyone know what P5's performance differences will be like between the Triple and the Quatro?

    I know 60fps isn't necessarily imperative for turn-based RPG's, but it's always nice to have it.

    with how rare that seems to be lately i personally wouldn't expect it for either.
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  • King9999King9999 Joined: Posts: 10,926 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    I'm super hype for P5, too bad it won't be coming till 2017, most likely. I'm also looking forward to SMT4 Apocalypse.

    I hope SMT3 and especially Digital Devil Saga (because I never played it) gets released on PS4. SMT3 is a must-play.
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  • ChiroChiro Not actually pronounced cheero Joined: Posts: 2,317
    edited May 2016
    King9999 wrote: »
    I'm super hype for P5, too bad it won't be coming till 2017, most likely. I'm also looking forward to SMT4 Apocalypse.

    I hope SMT3 and especially Digital Devil Saga (because I never played it) gets released on PS4. SMT3 is a must-play.

    well that may not actually be the case now that i think about it. for a japanese game to come to E3 that would suggest that they have something to tell the English speakers. initially i assumed they had nothing to say to us, but they most likely just didn't bother since it would be redundant and not the best way to share info with us. afterall why would you reveal english voice actors during a japanese stream? or reveal a western release date when a lot probably weren't watching that would get mixed up with japanese pre-orders.

    edit: found a pic of our mystery man.

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  • HawkingbirdHawkingbird I am thou...thou art I Joined: Posts: 26,830
    I notice the cat has the same color pattern as Teddy. Another friendly Shadow then.
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  • Rick RossRick Ross Niggaposi☆Continues Joined: Posts: 5,641
    Need some advice.

    Just started Void Dungeon on 8/1, only 11 days left until Kubo goes bye.

    All characters up to lvl 38 while Yosuke is still lvl 26.

    Do I have time to grind?
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  • DrellyFishDrellyFish Joined: Posts: 4,568
    Rick Ross wrote: »
    Need some advice.

    Just started Void Dungeon on 8/1, only 11 days left until Kubo goes bye.

    All characters up to lvl 38 while Yosuke is still lvl 26.

    Do I have time to grind?

    I think you might. How do you balance your time between the dungeons and irl stuff? You should have time to bring Yosuke up.
  • ChiroChiro Not actually pronounced cheero Joined: Posts: 2,317
    P3 is now the second JRPG ive ever beaten.

    Nyx was...really not that great. as i boss fight he's pretty poorly designed. you never really had to change your tactics to beat him and fighting all the arcanas isn't difficult just time consuming. once you get to his true form just lame it out, and past that just lame it out even further. the only time my party members really died was when Ken for some fucking reason kept Ziodyning the giant reflecting barrier which kept killing him. Aigis would immediately cast samarecarm on him, but it was still annoying watching the AI constantly kill themselves. at no point was anybody ever really in danger. Once i got Odin i pretty much won and everything else was just formalities basically.

    i unfortunately was spoiled on the ending ages ago, same with P4 so that didn't really have much impact though there were some moments. i can kind of see why @NeloVergil ships Aigis so hard now though, that was a pretty touching scene ill admit. overall my favorite part would probably just be ending theme the remix of that i found particularly beautiful.

    im not getting to P4 anytime soon. i need to get a vita TV and wait for it to go on sell again, and im too broke for either at the moment. Oh well it'll give me a nice cool down period in the meantime. as for the Answer..probably not? im kind of just happy to be done with this style of gameplay for awhile and from what i hear the Answer can actully make the experience retroactively worse.
  • Half BreedHalf Breed Beast Unleashed Joined: Posts: 142
    Another breakdown vid from same dude as before, except goes over gameplay.

    I'm really curious how far they go with the stealth mechanics, and if the dungeons will have multiple branching paths, or routes to take.

    I still need to finish P3, P4, and DDS, I got spoiled on the endings and killed most the motivation to play them. Going to try and knock out DDS during this break between semesters, but also got a few projects I need to do before Summer Semester.
  • NeloVergilNeloVergil Joined: Posts: 3,032
    edited May 2016
    Chiro wrote: »
    P3 is now the second JRPG ive ever beaten.

    Nyx was...really not that great. as i boss fight he's pretty poorly designed. you never really had to change your tactics to beat him and fighting all the arcanas isn't difficult just time consuming. once you get to his true form just lame it out, and past that just lame it out even further. the only time my party members really died was when Ken for some fucking reason kept Ziodyning the giant reflecting barrier which kept killing him. Aigis would immediately cast samarecarm on him, but it was still annoying watching the AI constantly kill themselves. at no point was anybody ever really in danger. Once i got Odin i pretty much won and everything else was just formalities basically.

    i unfortunately was spoiled on the ending ages ago, same with P4 so that didn't really have much impact though there were some moments. i can kind of see why @NeloVergil ships Aigis so hard now though, that was a pretty touching scene ill admit. overall my favorite part would probably just be ending theme the remix of that i found particularly beautiful.

    im not getting to P4 anytime soon. i need to get a vita TV and wait for it to go on sell again, and im too broke for either at the moment. Oh well it'll give me a nice cool down period in the meantime. as for the Answer..probably not? im kind of just happy to be done with this style of gameplay for awhile and from what i hear the Answer can actully make the experience retroactively worse.

    Dude just play the answer, some people say its worse I on the other hand think its ok. Just know that it'll be complete BS in regards to some enemies especially if your coming off easy/normal. Also, the answer is the main reason I ship Aigis.

    Oh, and it'll be more grindy and less RPG because the whole purpose is to answer the ending of the journey. Not to mention it sets up some stuff you'll see later so it's canon. It should take half the time to beat the answer (based off my time) unless you get pissed at certain boss(es). It also gives some insight on personas and what they are which gets used in P4 as well soooo yeah play the answer and ignore niggas saying it actively makes everything worse get your own opinion on it then look up what fools say.
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  • ChiroChiro Not actually pronounced cheero Joined: Posts: 2,317
    Listen dude I'm just taking every escuse I can get to stop. ever since I beat that last floor boss the game honestly stopped being fun. even once I decided to stop grinding it was then just 20 days of social links. Persona 3 was a balance of brutal dungeon crawling then after a hard night of that I would enjoy that week of straight nothing, but towards the end that dungeon never got difficult enough to make me enjoy taking a break so it was just this long drawn out thing.

    I get that the Answer probably fixes a lot of that, but my experience with P3 has just left a sour taste in my mouth. once that goes away we'll see.
  • Jack_FrostJack_Frost M.C Joined: Posts: 6,979
    Can't believe someone said Nyx wasnt great
    There aren't 50 hours in a 5 day span...
    CRYING
  • DANZANDANZAN NO SQUIGGERINO Joined: Posts: 6,566
    Nyx is one of the few bosses in JRPGs that will make you feel like "i might not be able to pull this off" , especially towards the end of the fight.
    It's not just a challenging fight , but a heartpounding one too. Combine that with the music and you have a bossfight for the historybooks.
    angelpalm wrote: »
    People have to complain to counter act that massive influx of idiot gamers that just eat whatever shit pie developers and studios crap out in front of them. If people didn't complain we would all be playing NMS for years right along side the martian.
  • ChiroChiro Not actually pronounced cheero Joined: Posts: 2,317
    Y'all are joking right? I didnt even try and I wiped the floor with Nyx.

    What level did you fight her at? I was only at like 80 and the game expects you to get 90 for Messiah.



  • DANZANDANZAN NO SQUIGGERINO Joined: Posts: 6,566
    the game doesn't "expect" anything. It's optional for those who want to go the extra mile.
    If i remember it right i reached endgame being lvl 60'ish something.

    Should note that last time i played P3 it was P3P. So IDK if there are any rebalancing differences between OG p3 and p3p.
    angelpalm wrote: »
    People have to complain to counter act that massive influx of idiot gamers that just eat whatever shit pie developers and studios crap out in front of them. If people didn't complain we would all be playing NMS for years right along side the martian.
  • RichterRichter ~~~00~~~ Joined: Posts: 1,881
    Lvl 99 with everyone in my party before I fought NYX :cool:
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  • DarkstalkerDarkstalker King of the Ring Joined: Posts: 2,470 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    I didn't like Nyx very much either - fun thematic idea, but a slog to go through, especially if Diarahan gets cast at any point. Especially tiresome on replays.

    Only finished P3 on P3Portable though. Not sure about original version or FES difficulty, and didn't want to find out because I like ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL.
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  • GespenstRitterGespenstRitter Ash to Ash Joined: Posts: 3,251
    The Answer wasn't really worth it, honestly. The dungeon crawling is the worst part about P3 and The Answer makes that 100% percent of the game.
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    The Answer wasn't really worth it, honestly. The dungeon crawling is the worst part about P3 and The Answer makes that 100% percent of the game.

    The Answer makes Yukari unbelievably retarded. She drags Mitsuru down with her.
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  • NeloVergilNeloVergil Joined: Posts: 3,032
    edited May 2016
    The Answer wasn't really worth it, honestly. The dungeon crawling is the worst part about P3 and The Answer makes that 100% percent of the game.

    The Answer makes Yukari unbelievably retarded. She drags Mitsuru down with her.

    I agree. Aigis is infact the best waifu.

    I didn't like Nyx very much either - fun thematic idea, but a slog to go through, especially if Diarahan gets cast at any point. Especially tiresome on replays.

    Only finished P3 on P3Portable though. Not sure about original version or FES difficulty, and didn't want to find out because I like ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL.

    I never played P3P, but I imagine having direct control makes the fight much easier. Otherwise you'll be on healing duty alot of the time. I'll post any changes I find though when I find them.

    Edit:

    http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/641695-persona-4-golden/63717633

    http://www.gamefaqs.com/psp/971508-shin-megami-tensei-persona-3-portable/answers/194282-persona-3-fes-vs-persona-3-portable

    Tl;dr it's easier because of the gameplay additions.
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  • NeloVergilNeloVergil Joined: Posts: 3,032
    Chiro wrote: »
    Y'all are joking right? I didnt even try and I wiped the floor with Nyx.

    What level did you fight her at? I was only at like 80 and the game expects you to get 90 for Messiah.



    Level 80 is about what I was on Hard (FES). That fight is fuck all long and your still taking alot of damage from almighty attack. Mainly because there's no defend button you either take reduced damage, or you take extra damage. Then there's the RNG that could screw you with combos like tetrafoo + almighty attack just to be a bitch.
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  • ChiroChiro Not actually pronounced cheero Joined: Posts: 2,317
    im pretty sure i played on normal and the Almighty attacks were kind of a joke. if she did nothing, but almighty it still couldn't have killed me from full health. but she was putting out even less damage than normal since she kept casting dekunda and dekaja to counteract Aigis buffs and Akihikos nerfs.

    ill admit near the end when she started piling on status effect i was a little worried, but then Akihiko punched her and that was that.
  • NeloVergilNeloVergil Joined: Posts: 3,032
    Chiro wrote: »
    im pretty sure i played on normal and the Almighty attacks were kind of a joke. if she did nothing, but almighty it still couldn't have killed me from full health. but she was putting out even less damage than normal since she kept casting dekunda and dekaja to counteract Aigis buffs and Akihikos nerfs.

    ill admit near the end when she started piling on status effect i was a little worried, but then Akihiko punched her and that was that.

    Well on hard im pretty sure they buffed up the almighty damage and the hit rate. Idk about health but Nyx is suppose to have around 1.5K at the final form.

    On hard, for me, lovers/strength/chariot were much crazy BS. Lovers was AOE status+almighty (increased crit), Strength was physicals which are ok but with the occasional Revolution+Almighty which gets crits, and chariot was strength with other buffs.

    Justice was still kinda annoying because of the hitrate (very rarely would we all dodge). Also, even with a 99END persona almighty was still chucking for just under half my life if she did two which made bringing people back really hard. Then you get the once in awhile crits that can ruin everything.


    If you plan on playing the answer I recommend playing the journey on hard first. The answer won't have a difficulty selection it'll just be a bitch beginning to end. The bosses are both easier and harder too.
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    ExposedD wrote: »
    MY SHIT

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    OH SHIT
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    Still need to get Innocent Sin. That's the only mainline Persona game I haven't played fully.
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    Im currently playing through Innocent Sin
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    i recently got that P2. had been looking to find a sealed copy for a very long time.
    finally got it ! lil' facker shrekted the wallet.
    angelpalm wrote: »
    People have to complain to counter act that massive influx of idiot gamers that just eat whatever shit pie developers and studios crap out in front of them. If people didn't complain we would all be playing NMS for years right along side the martian.
  • Jack_FrostJack_Frost M.C Joined: Posts: 6,979
    Chiro wrote: »
    Y'all are joking right? I didnt even try and I wiped the floor with Nyx.

    What level did you fight her at? I was only at like 80 and the game expects you to get 90 for Messiah.



    lol there is no recommendation level from the game especially at that high. Level 80 is high. I dont remember mine but I def know it wasnt 80. Its been a while, I just remember me dying the first time, then using that to figure her out and me and waifu aigis did work
    There aren't 50 hours in a 5 day span...
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    Just how godlike will the OST be this time around?
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    Just how godlike will the OST be this time around?

    Too godlike, as is par for the course
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  • NeloVergilNeloVergil Joined: Posts: 3,032
    Jack_Frost wrote: »
    Chiro wrote: »
    Y'all are joking right? I didnt even try and I wiped the floor with Nyx.

    What level did you fight her at? I was only at like 80 and the game expects you to get 90 for Messiah.



    lol there is no recommendation level from the game especially at that high. Level 80 is high. I dont remember mine but I def know it wasnt 80. Its been a while, I just remember me dying the first time, then using that to figure her out and me and waifu aigis did work

    Yes I agree
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  • ChiroChiro Not actually pronounced cheero Joined: Posts: 2,317
    Jack_Frost wrote: »
    Chiro wrote: »
    Y'all are joking right? I didnt even try and I wiped the floor with Nyx.

    What level did you fight her at? I was only at like 80 and the game expects you to get 90 for Messiah.



    lol there is no recommendation level from the game especially at that high. Level 80 is high. I dont remember mine but I def know it wasnt 80. Its been a while, I just remember me dying the first time, then using that to figure her out and me and waifu aigis did work

    I didn't say recommendation. It's thematically appropriate for you to have messiah for your final battle and I'm pretty sure it's cannon.

    Goddamit now I'm butt hurt that I'm not gonna get to see Minato knocking heads with Messiah in Arena.

    It's weird I love what they do with the world, but the story and original characters I just find abysmal. well mostly just Sho. and it's not even that I hate him as a character I just can't stand the trope of "I was always there you just never knew" when they clearly weren't. then idea that a group of people are looking around town for suspicious murderers and somehow a guy with glowing red hair and a X scar on his face was somehow able to stalk them unnoticed?

    God I want a third Arena game. I'm so bad at them, but I want this to be a series real series I can look forward to especially with Blazblue coming to an end.
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    Prove your justice to society.
  • NeloVergilNeloVergil Joined: Posts: 3,032
    Chiro wrote: »
    Jack_Frost wrote: »
    Chiro wrote: »
    Y'all are joking right? I didnt even try and I wiped the floor with Nyx.

    What level did you fight her at? I was only at like 80 and the game expects you to get 90 for Messiah.



    lol there is no recommendation level from the game especially at that high. Level 80 is high. I dont remember mine but I def know it wasnt 80. Its been a while, I just remember me dying the first time, then using that to figure her out and me and waifu aigis did work

    I didn't say recommendation. It's thematically appropriate for you to have messiah for your final battle and I'm pretty sure it's cannon.

    Goddamit now I'm butt hurt that I'm not gonna get to see Minato knocking heads with Messiah in Arena.

    It's weird I love what they do with the world, but the story and original characters I just find abysmal. well mostly just Sho. and it's not even that I hate him as a character I just can't stand the trope of "I was always there you just never knew" when they clearly weren't. then idea that a group of people are looking around town for suspicious murderers and somehow a guy with glowing red hair and a X scar on his face was somehow able to stalk them unnoticed?

    God I want a third Arena game. I'm so bad at them, but I want this to be a series real series I can look forward to especially with Blazblue coming to an end.

    Messiah is his Cannon ultimate persona (it takes elements from Orpheus and Thanatos and it's usually the one hes represented by) dunno about cannon for that fight. Personally, I just want the story to continue with a little less P4 elements. Maybe i'm just a hatin ass nigga, but I can't stand teddy outside of P4.

    Btw I think the recommendation comed from the fact that if you check Nyxs level its between 75-80 might be 77.
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