"I'll never cut corners in my practice!" Ibuki Notes, Tech and Q&A thread

DevilJin 01DevilJin 01 Ibuki and Juri BUFFZJoined: Posts: 52,334 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
edited July 2016 in Ibuki
Obviously there's gonna be a lot of work to optimizing Ibuki. She's not a character that you can be lazy with and get results and she has some inherent flaws that have to be overcome with other parts of her toolset in order to maximize her. Use this thread to look up notes, tech options or just generally ask a question about the character.

DevilJin's notes on Ibuki. Updated with overall gameplan with Ibuki and what you should focus on trying to land in the match..

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ATYZPnVT3cT08VM2apM456h0P_DKLutPHFnTkiuVOdY/edit

Write out of gameplan
Ibuki can be a tricky character to use. She has a lot of different elements of what makes a good character, with some inherent flaws to keep her from being too overpowered. She has the really fast walk speed of a mid range character, but has buttons with large hurtboxes on them more similar to a lower tier character like Gief or Guile. Which means pressing the correct buttons with Ibuki will be a bit more nuanced than it is with Ryu or Chun Li. You’ll have to do a lot more counter poking and whiff punishing, but it’s possible to work the neutral game with her normals and when mixed with a meter for EX kunai, can make some dangerous things happen even before V Trigger.



The key to her neutral game I feel is 3 main things.

Find a way to land LP raida.
Find a way to land s.MK, c.HK, s.HK target combo (aka sweep target)
Find a way to gain V Gauge (land your V Skill and f+HK/s.HK)

Those are the 3 main things you need to focus on as those will get you to a victory the quickest. These are also great things to focus on because they will also inevitably complete her neutral game (or at least the most important aspects of it). Learning each one also teaches you how to use her different buttons and v skill. LP raida and sweep target are good for giving you strong setups for pressure and/or carry to the corner. Your V Trigger is important to turn the match around and give you access to much bigger damage, so the V Skill and f+HK/s.HK can become important there as well. Below I’ll go over these 3 options and the neutral tools to get you to those situations in depth.


NOTE: The kunais ARE an important to her gameplan, but I feel they can’t be the MOST important since they’re a finite resource and IMO she can honestly win matches without using them other than to VTC into a combo. It’s more a sub part of her gameplan that adds to the basics you are already using. I’ll go over those in a later section.



1. Landing LP raida is important for Ibuki because it can be done without having to fish for a counter hit or 1 hit confirm which makes it easier on execution and muscle memory to accomplish. The nice thing about LP raida is that it basically is like ending a combo with a command grab. It’s an attack grab that has the same knockdown properties as a throw so whenever you land it, the opponent can only neutral tech. Giving you a pretty set and forget dash up s.LP or s.MP as a meaty. One of the issues with a lot of characters in SFV is that they have difficulty covering all non invincible button presses after a knockdown combo. LP raida makes it so Ibuki doesn’t have to worry about this. You knock them down you should know what to do. s.LP is easier to time as a meaty, but s.MP can also work.

Your best options to land LP raida are to connect with her LP, MP, HP target combo at close range, land s.MP at a slightly farther range or from furthest range you can just chain s.LK into LP raida. In order to land her LP target combo safely, you’ll want to link with c.LP or s.LP. Preferably s.LP since that’s faster. s.LP, LP, MP, HP, into LP raida confirm at close range. If you see the target string is getting blocked you can press LK to keep yourself safe on block (end the target string with LK instead of HP) . This is only really good at near point blank range though so you wont always have access to this.

s.MP, s.LK, LP raida is really important as this is one of the farther ranged confirms into a combo that you can do safely. Pretty easy to confirm as you can easily see that the s.MP and s.LK have connected before committing to the LP raida. Just remember the cancel window for s.LK into LP raida is pretty short. You can’t hesitate at all when comboing into LP raida or it will whiff or just not come out. You can land this combo from almost the max range of s.MP.

s.LK straight into LP Raida also works, but it is harder to confirm. You’ll have to look for this as a whiff punish when people whiff certain buttons in front of you or just play with your gut and go for it. s.LK to HK kazekiri is also a nice alternative that does a bit more damage, but doesn’t give you as good oki.




2. Finding a way to land s.MK sweep target is also a BIG part of her gameplan. Firstly, it’s a bit more difficult to confirm since you will have to put together counter hits or one hit confirms to get it to land. When you do, it gives you solid meterless damage, corner carry and basically the best post combo meaty setup in the game. Mainly because you can cancel the sweep target into MK command dash and be at very heavy plus frames (probably between like 8 and 10 frames or more). Get enough time to shimmy, throw, meaty and everything inbetween. They go into an air reset that doesn’t cause a knockdown so there is no tech available to them. They just have to take the pressure.

Your main tools for landing s.MK sweep target combo are counter hit s.LP, counter hit s.MP, counter hit c.MP and one hit confirm/whiff punish s.MK.

Counter hit s.LP/s.MP/c.MP combo into s.MK at similar ranges. s.LP will combo into s.MK at max range, while s.MP and c.MP whiff at max range. Which means s.LP is your most guaranteed counter hit. If s.LP lands on counter hit, go straight into s.MK. s.MP and s.MK have more range than s.LP, but they will only combo into s.MK from around the same range as s.LP. s.MP and c.MP counter hits are still really good and give you a bit more time to confirm if you land them. Even if you just mash s.MK after s.LP and they block, you’re still only minus 1 on block. You can set up these counter hits by doing different frame traps to open people up for them. You can do s.LP or s.MP then walk in throw. Then then next time they expect a throw counter hit them with another s.LP or s.MP then combo that on counter hit into the s.MK and start the sweep target.

Play around with the buttons and watch the PAN pressure tutorial for other ideas on how to get the counter hits off these buttons.

The other important way to land s.MK sweep target is raw landing the s.MK. There’s different ways to do this. You can try to one hit confirm this by just looking for the s.MK to hit and then going into the target combo. This is pretty hard to do though as the cancel window for the swep target is pretty short and doesn’t give you a lot of time to confirm if the opponent isn’t really doing anything first. You can try to look for a counter hit message to help you confirm, but you of course ideally want to land this without a counter hit sometimes.

In order to more reliably land this without counter hit, you can try to look for whiff punishes or shimmy people during throws and do it. An example is walking up to Ken right around his s.HK range, making him whiff the s.HK then pressing s.MK and going into the target. You can also walk up to someone then walk backwards to shimmy and punish their throw whiff with the s.MK.


3. Building her V Gauge by landing her V Skill and f+HK or s.HK are I feel the last big part to her neutral game. Ibuki I feel is designed like Necalli where she’s made to be a comeback/late game character. She can win at the start of the round, but it does take a good amount more of resets and pressure as most of her heaviest damage and oppression comes from having the VTC and the bombs ready. You can win an entire round pretty easily just off the momentum from the V Trigger bombs.


When you are in mid to far range, your main tools are going to be V Skill, f+HK and s.HK. This is because Ibuki’s main combo conversion tools like her standing punches and kicks have short range and large hurt boxes that aren’t really conducive for long ranged poking. They’re meant more to win as you get closer, but not much effectiveness once you’re far out.


V Skill is very important as it beats most standing and crouching normals from the opponent once active. She is susceptible to counter hits and her hurt box is rather large before and after its active, but once its active its got a pretty nice hit box that can stuff button really well. It’s technically a projectile so it will beat any normal that isn’t a projectile as long as its spaced right. The non charged version builds about ⅓ V Gauge on hit and a tiny bit on block. The charged version is slower start up, but has a bigger hit box and is very safe at only minus 3 on block.

The regular version is only minus 5 on block so you can still use it in block strings against most characters without worry. Long as you’re spaced out far enough you can use strings like s.MP, c.MP to V Skill to catch people trying to press buttons after or just build a bit of V Gauge. During the initial start up frames of her V Skill she seems to move back a bit giving her room to make buttons whiff and punish them. This is a good help to her neutral game as it allows her to poke without worrying about the large hurt boxes on a lot of her poking buttons. Plus the V Gauge build.

f+HK and s.HK are also pretty important. f+HK is your main tool that can priority trade vs mediums and lights and still win. It also crushes most low normals so you can use it and win for free against a lot of low hitting normals. Space it towards max range for the most effectiveness, but even if you use it at close range it’s still safeish at minus 3. Just be careful of the heavy start up and how her hurt box extends during the move. If you land this move on counter hit and get crush counter, you should usually just combo into HK kazekiri.

s.HK works pretty well vs a lot of good standing buttons and is only minus 2 on block. It’s also a bit faster start up than f+HK. Really good to counter hit buttons like Karin’s s.HK, Mika’s s.MK and other strong annoying standing buttons. Has no lower hit box though so it will lose to any lower hitting mid button or a low attack. If you land this on crush counter you can easily go into s.HP, HK kazekiri from a decent range. If you have V trigger you can do all kinds of nasty damage and reset to them. If they’re too far away from s.HP you can always throw EX raida then command dash in with Raida and keep pressuring.

s.HK also has a really good AA hit box that can stuff farther range jump ins pretty easily. On crush counter you can command dash in and Raida as well.


Frame data: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1phr4jOfiXuaLxZgE1vk1myee_QK2RqP_M2cmnXOERDE/edit#gid=1665473429

Hit boxes:

PAN's videos on Ibuki's Pressure/Setups and Neutral Game.






Post edited by DevilJin 01 on

Kunoichi is always in V Trigger

BUFF CITY.  Population IBUKI


SFV: Ibuki (Main Bae), Juri (Buffed Bae), Chun Li (Needs Buffs Bae)

KOF XIV: Nakoruru/Iori/KDash

SFIV: Nobody hate that shit (PROTIP: Everyone on SRK hates SFIV)

3S: Ibuki (main), Alex

If I ever pick up Xrd: Johnny

PSN: PervyJin01

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  • DevilJin 01DevilJin 01 Ibuki and Juri BUFFZ Joined: Posts: 52,334 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Extra notes/data

    Kunoichi is always in V Trigger

    BUFF CITY.  Population IBUKI


    SFV: Ibuki (Main Bae), Juri (Buffed Bae), Chun Li (Needs Buffs Bae)

    KOF XIV: Nakoruru/Iori/KDash

    SFIV: Nobody hate that shit (PROTIP: Everyone on SRK hates SFIV)

    3S: Ibuki (main), Alex

    If I ever pick up Xrd: Johnny

    PSN: PervyJin01

    CFN: PervyJin01 (PS4) Twitch: c88deviljin01

  • Abraxas_HydroplaneAbraxas_Hydroplane Joined: Posts: 5
    "Figure out best anti air b+MP or c.HP combos into super"

    One I've found that's quite good is b+MP xx V-Trigger, LP Raida, LP Command Dash, Super. Not sure if it's optimal but it does good damage. Can also be done after aa crush counter st. HK.
  • inf4myinf4my Joined: Posts: 101
    One I've found that's quite good is b+MP xx V-Trigger, LP Raida, LP Command Dash, Super. Not sure if it's optimal but it does good damage. Can also be done after aa crush counter st. HK.

    You can do H Raida, M Dash, Super for 16 extra damage.




  • DevilJin 01DevilJin 01 Ibuki and Juri BUFFZ Joined: Posts: 52,334 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Yeah with V Trigger that's probably the best option.

    Without V Trigger I assume you just do b+MP, LK command dash into super.

    Kunoichi is always in V Trigger

    BUFF CITY.  Population IBUKI


    SFV: Ibuki (Main Bae), Juri (Buffed Bae), Chun Li (Needs Buffs Bae)

    KOF XIV: Nakoruru/Iori/KDash

    SFIV: Nobody hate that shit (PROTIP: Everyone on SRK hates SFIV)

    3S: Ibuki (main), Alex

    If I ever pick up Xrd: Johnny

    PSN: PervyJin01

    CFN: PervyJin01 (PS4) Twitch: c88deviljin01

  • soncissoncis Joined: Posts: 302
    Anti airs bothers me so much theres such a small window to do it and if their to close it just wiffs.. makes me wanna block instead because in general I lose life because I anti air :(
    3S: Ken
    USF4: Dudley
    SFV: Alex/Ibuki/Urien(?)
  • DevilJin 01DevilJin 01 Ibuki and Juri BUFFZ Joined: Posts: 52,334 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    General rule is to use b+MP, jump back air throw or jump back button if they're jumping in close. From farther away s.HK and c.HP are both

    Kunoichi is always in V Trigger

    BUFF CITY.  Population IBUKI


    SFV: Ibuki (Main Bae), Juri (Buffed Bae), Chun Li (Needs Buffs Bae)

    KOF XIV: Nakoruru/Iori/KDash

    SFIV: Nobody hate that shit (PROTIP: Everyone on SRK hates SFIV)

    3S: Ibuki (main), Alex

    If I ever pick up Xrd: Johnny

    PSN: PervyJin01

    CFN: PervyJin01 (PS4) Twitch: c88deviljin01

  • soncissoncis Joined: Posts: 302
    u da man
    3S: Ken
    USF4: Dudley
    SFV: Alex/Ibuki/Urien(?)
  • inf4myinf4my Joined: Posts: 101
    edited August 2016
    Here's a few setups after CC sweep. I stole the first two from Majorboy.

    Dash, st.MK, Air L Kunai
    • The kunai hits regular, but Ibuki will land on the other side.
    • +8 on hit, +5 on block
    • Technically this isn't a mix-up, but people tend to get hit by it because they expect a cross-up.

    M Kasumigake, st.LK, Air L Kunai
    • Same notes as above, but this one is a double side switch.
    • +5 on hit, +2 on block

    Tenrai, dash, cr.HP
    • +5 on hit, 0 on block
    • People expect this to be -3, so if they block it, they almost always press buttons. This opens up a counter hit opportunity against anyone without a 3f attack.

    Tenrai, dash, st.HK
    • Normally this whiffs on crouchers, but in this case, it catches the first frame of wakeup and cannot be crouched. However, st.HK will whiff if they wake up with a crouching normal.
    • +3 on hit, 0 on block. So regardless of whether you get a crush counter or not, you can combo off this if it hits. If they block it, it leaves you neutral at point blank range, so you can continue your pressure against any character without a 3f attack.

    Tenrai, dash, f.HK
    • Same setup as above, but also works for f.HK. This will beat 3f wakeup attacks.
    • Does not change the frame data, it will still be +2 on hit, and -3 on block.

    edit: I assumed that these setups would work after cr.MK, cr.HK target combo as well, but it appears that the TC gives you 1 extra frame of knockdown advantage, so the meaty cr.HP and st.HK will whiff.
    Post edited by inf4my on
  • ZeroEffectZeroEffect Joined: Posts: 8
    Not sure if you guys think this is useful or not, but I found an interesting crossup today while I was messing around in training mode. There are 2 versions:

    st.HP xx ex. LP+MP Kunai -> LK Dash -> st.MK (this one switches from the front to the back)
    Shinten xx ex. LP+MP Kunai -> MK Dash -> st. MK (this one dashes behind and then switches sides again)

    Sorry, I don't have the ability to record and show it, but basically what happens is if you input the st. MK at the end fast enough, you'll move slightly forward on the whiff and switch sides of your opponent while they are still in the air from the ex kunai explosion. If you delay the MK just a little bit, you'll stay on the same side. Basically, the idea is that the same animation will leave you on opposite sides depending on your timing. Both give you the opportunity for a meaty setup with b. MP, cr. HP, etc as well.

    Not sure if there are other ways to implement this or not, didn't have too much time to fiddle with it, but I'd imagine there are similar scenarios with bomb setups or anything else where you can get your opponent in a juggle as well.
  • DevilJin 01DevilJin 01 Ibuki and Juri BUFFZ Joined: Posts: 52,334 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    edited August 2016
    I'll have to mess with that. What is Shinten btw?

    EDIT: I see it's the LP, MP, HP target.

    Kunoichi is always in V Trigger

    BUFF CITY.  Population IBUKI


    SFV: Ibuki (Main Bae), Juri (Buffed Bae), Chun Li (Needs Buffs Bae)

    KOF XIV: Nakoruru/Iori/KDash

    SFIV: Nobody hate that shit (PROTIP: Everyone on SRK hates SFIV)

    3S: Ibuki (main), Alex

    If I ever pick up Xrd: Johnny

    PSN: PervyJin01

    CFN: PervyJin01 (PS4) Twitch: c88deviljin01

  • ensaneensane Garbage Joined: Posts: 72
    So do I quit Ibuki after my 100th straight loss with her or do I try to stick it out until I get my 1st win
  • Lion_JakLion_Jak Joined: Posts: 904
    edited August 2016
    I say grind it out. I can't stop playing her even when I want to commit to my girl juri. Ibuki is really fun once you get the handle on her. And I think there are still ways to learn her neutral.
  • inf4myinf4my Joined: Posts: 101
    ensane wrote: »
    So do I quit Ibuki after my 100th straight loss with her or do I try to stick it out until I get my 1st win

    You're doing something wrong. I started a new account and my Ibuki is already at 5000 LP and I'm doing very basic stuff with her.

    What's your CFN ID? I'll watch some of your replays.
  • RedCaliburnRedCaliburn Ibuki, on the scene! Joined: Posts: 675
    edited August 2016
    ensane wrote: »
    So do I quit Ibuki after my 100th straight loss with her or do I try to stick it out until I get my 1st win

    Are you having fun? Are you learning from your losses and getting advice from other players? Take some time to sit down and analyze the basic things that you are dropping/missing from your game plan. It will make a difference. If you require some assistance with basic stuff, I can help.
    inf4my wrote: »
    ensane wrote: »
    So do I quit Ibuki after my 100th straight loss with her or do I try to stick it out until I get my 1st win



    You're doing something wrong. I started a new account and my Ibuki is already at 5000 LP and I'm doing very basic stuff with her.

    What's your CFN ID? I'll watch some of your replays.

    I'm sorry if I take this the wrong way, but not everyone can perform at gold rank level. Besides knowledge and execution, the mentality is one of the challenges of players in general that require lots of time, memorizing and practice.
    I <3 Dezmu, SFV - Ibuki
    "You can get hit as many times as it takes for them to beat you- but if you're not dead, then a match is never truly over until it says K.O."
  • inf4myinf4my Joined: Posts: 101
    I'm sorry if I take this the wrong way, but not everyone can perform at gold rank level. Besides knowledge and execution, the mentality is one of the challenges of players in general that require lots of time, memorizing and practice.

    Yes I realize he is a beginner, I'm not trying to say "if you can't get gold you suck!".

    The tone of his post seems to indicate that he thinks Ibuki is hard to play or that she isn't very good, and that is why he lost 100 games in a row.

    My point is that she is actually very easy to win with at bronze/silver levels, because people literally get hit by the most basic stuff over and over gain.

    So if he is losing that consistently, his approach to the character is obviously way off.

    You can literally get to silver by doing j.MK, Gogasha TC xx MK Dash, st.MP, st.LK x L Raida, dash, st.MP. st.LK x L Raida (Repeat until they are stunned). j.HK, cr.HP xx L Kunai Release, EX Raida

    Low ranked players simply cannot block after the TC dash or after L Raida. They get hit 99% of the time and it's actually kind of ridiculous.


  • DevilJin 01DevilJin 01 Ibuki and Juri BUFFZ Joined: Posts: 52,334 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    @ensane it sounds like you're newer to fighting games in general if you can't win even one match with her. The thing with ibuki is you have to learn how to counter attacks rather than push them yourself to get the most out of her. If you don't know where and when to press buttons with her you'll just get slammed with buttons that have bigger hit boxes and lose a lot. She also requires more combo and set up memorization than other characters.

    Like said before, hit us up with your CFN or PSN if you're on PS4 and we can try to help you out either by looking at your matches or playing some with you

    Kunoichi is always in V Trigger

    BUFF CITY.  Population IBUKI


    SFV: Ibuki (Main Bae), Juri (Buffed Bae), Chun Li (Needs Buffs Bae)

    KOF XIV: Nakoruru/Iori/KDash

    SFIV: Nobody hate that shit (PROTIP: Everyone on SRK hates SFIV)

    3S: Ibuki (main), Alex

    If I ever pick up Xrd: Johnny

    PSN: PervyJin01

    CFN: PervyJin01 (PS4) Twitch: c88deviljin01

  • ensaneensane Garbage Joined: Posts: 72
    inf4my wrote: »
    ensane wrote: »
    So do I quit Ibuki after my 100th straight loss with her or do I try to stick it out until I get my 1st win

    You're doing something wrong. I started a new account and my Ibuki is already at 5000 LP and I'm doing very basic stuff with her.

    What's your CFN ID? I'll watch some of your replays.

    I wasn't on my PS for the sessions, but I'm positive I have some at least as replays. Fight ID should also be ensane.
    @ensane it sounds like you're newer to fighting games in general if you can't win even one match with her. The thing with ibuki is you have to learn how to counter attacks rather than push them yourself to get the most out of her. If you don't know where and when to press buttons with her you'll just get slammed with buttons that have bigger hit boxes and lose a lot. She also requires more combo and set up memorization than other characters.

    Like said before, hit us up with your CFN or PSN if you're on PS4 and we can try to help you out either by looking at your matches or playing some with you

    I main cammy because I mained her in 4 and I lose most of the time. I want to play Ibuki because I also played her in 4 and liked the character. Apparently I'm a scrub that can't play neutral without Tsumuji and full screen EX fireball punishes.

    I'll play some more when I'm off work in about 5 hours assuming my PS4 still works.

  • DevilJin 01DevilJin 01 Ibuki and Juri BUFFZ Joined: Posts: 52,334 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Cool ill send you a PSN message later tonight

    Kunoichi is always in V Trigger

    BUFF CITY.  Population IBUKI


    SFV: Ibuki (Main Bae), Juri (Buffed Bae), Chun Li (Needs Buffs Bae)

    KOF XIV: Nakoruru/Iori/KDash

    SFIV: Nobody hate that shit (PROTIP: Everyone on SRK hates SFIV)

    3S: Ibuki (main), Alex

    If I ever pick up Xrd: Johnny

    PSN: PervyJin01

    CFN: PervyJin01 (PS4) Twitch: c88deviljin01

  • inf4myinf4my Joined: Posts: 101
    I watched 5 of your replays. 2 against Nash, 2 against Karin, and 1 against Ryu.

    In half of the rounds, you seem to just let go of the controller or something. Needless to say, that isn't gonna win you any games lol.

    In the rounds that you were actually playing, your Ibuki wasn't too bad. Here's some glaring mistakes that I noticed:
    • You never go for tick throws. This allows people to just down-back on you all day and wait for you to do something that's negative (such as f.hk which you do a lot). It's extremely important to establish a throw game with j.lk throw / st.lp throw/ st.mp throw / or even something gimmicky like cr.mp xx L dash, throw. Doing this stuff encourages people to mash throw during your block strings which allows you to get super easy damage with counter hit setups or overheads.
    • The block strings you are using don't really make any sense. You like to do st.LP, st.LP, st.LK. or cr.MP, cr.MP, f.HK. -- Strings like these don't really lead to much. You should be focusing on an objective whenever you pressure someone. If they like to block, then go for a tick throw setup. If they like to mash throw tech, then go for st.MP>f.MK target combo and be prepared to combo into st.MK>cr.HK>HK xx M Dash when it hits. If they like to mash buttons, then go for cr.MP>f.HK target combo or st.LP, st.MP, st.MK TC which is a double frame trap that leads into a setup. If they ALWAYS press buttons after moves that are minus like f.HK or f.MK, then don't be afraid to EX DP them to let them know you're paying attention. Basically just always try and have a plan when you are pressuring someone. If you just press 3 random normals in a row without any expectation of what is going to happen then your pressure is going to fizzle out into nothing every time.
    • Against Karin you landed air EX Kunai into M Raida in the corner, which was very nice. Then you pressured her and landed a CC sweep, also very nice. But after the CC sweep you went for charged V-Skill. You have to step back and ask yourself "why am I going for this?". Charged V-Skill after CC sweep makes no sense. It's going to get blocked 99% of the time and it's -3 on block. If you had went for one of Ibuki's MANY setups here, you most likely would have landed another combo into stun, and taken the round. Ibuki is a momentum based character so missed opportunities like this can easily cost you the round. For the record, you tried to do cr.MK after the V-Skill and you got CC sweeped by her.
    • Last but certainly not least, you love to press buttons on wakeup. This is a HUGE mistake and it's the biggest reason why people get stuck in bronze/silver league. Even below average players are going to go for meaty attacks after they knock you down. If you are pressing buttons on wakeup, you are literally giving away free damage, corner carry, and stun. If you aren't going to EX DP on wakeup, then BLOCK, BLOCK, BLOCK. Wait for them to do something negative, V-Reversal a slow button to steal back the advantage, or MK dash under them if they try to go for a crossup. Regardless of what you do or how it turns out, anything is better than mashing buttons on wakeup. That is a bad habit that must disappear in order for you to improve.

    Overall I liked what I saw, and I find it shocking that you've lost a 100 games in a row. I think a few minor tweaks to your gameplay and you'll be winning some games.
  • StarFishPrimeStarFishPrime Joined: Posts: 119
    I gave juri about 2 days before i said fuck this, ibuki is just 10x more fun lol.
  • Paradise1955Paradise1955 Joined: Posts: 366
    Against Karin you landed air EX Kunai into M Raida in the corner, which was very nice. Then you pressured her and landed a CC sweep, also very nice. But after the CC sweep you went for charged V-Skill. You have to step back and ask yourself "why am I going for this?". Charged V-Skill after CC sweep makes no sense. It's going to get blocked 99% of the time and it's -3 on block. If you had went for one of Ibuki's MANY setups here, you most likely would have landed another combo into stun, and taken the round. Ibuki is a momentum based character so missed opportunities like this can easily cost you the round. For the record, you tried to do cr.MK after the V-Skill and you got CC sweeped by her.
    A good thing to do after CC sweep is to fwd dash into s.mk into air kunai. The kunai hits meaty so if it hits you can combo off of it, but if they block it you can keep applying pressure.
  • ensaneensane Garbage Joined: Posts: 72
    Well, no more fun for me I guess since I broke both my ps4 and my tv it seems
  • DevilJin 01DevilJin 01 Ibuki and Juri BUFFZ Joined: Posts: 52,334 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Umm...what do you mean by...broke?

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  • inf4myinf4my Joined: Posts: 101
    A good thing to do after CC sweep is to fwd dash into s.mk into air kunai. The kunai hits meaty so if it hits you can combo off of it, but if they block it you can keep applying pressure.

    That's the one I use most of the time. I find that good players will block the kunai correctly but they still tend to hit a button when I land so I go for st.LP, st.MK and then confirm into the TC if it counter hits.

    People are starting to DP out of that setup now so I need to find something new to make DP's whiff. Any ideas?

  • ensaneensane Garbage Joined: Posts: 72
    Umm...what do you mean by...broke?

    I hit a shelf which knocked my TV onto my PS4. Granted my PS4 was already shaky for whatever reason, but end result is that neither work now.
  • DevilJin 01DevilJin 01 Ibuki and Juri BUFFZ Joined: Posts: 52,334 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Sorry to hear that bro. Good luck with things and hope you get some new equipment to practice with.
    inf4my wrote: »
    A good thing to do after CC sweep is to fwd dash into s.mk into air kunai. The kunai hits meaty so if it hits you can combo off of it, but if they block it you can keep applying pressure.

    That's the one I use most of the time. I find that good players will block the kunai correctly but they still tend to hit a button when I land so I go for st.LP, st.MK and then confirm into the TC if it counter hits.

    People are starting to DP out of that setup now so I need to find something new to make DP's whiff. Any ideas?

    Hmmm would just standard jumping in be able to bait the DP if you could time it for a safe jump/meaty? Probably would be tough against 3 frame DPs.

    Kunoichi is always in V Trigger

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  • inf4myinf4my Joined: Posts: 101
    Still looking for stuff but I found a couple things so far...

    CC Sweep, cr.LK, st.LP, j.MK is a cross-up safe jump that is safe against 4f DP's.

    CC Sweep, whiff throw, Air L Kunai
    - This only works if you land CC Sweep from further out. You have to manually time the Air Kunai to get it to hit meaty. (slightly after the apex of the jump)
    - It's + on block if they block the kunai, but it seems that if they block the other direction, they will simply walk away from the kunai which is bad news.
    - Might be useful against people who are familiar with the other setup, because they are likely to block the kunai correctly, and this setup causes all of Ryu's DPs to whiff. I haven't tested it on other characters yet.
  • GunBusterGunBuster Joined: Posts: 178
    Can I ask what is air L kunai? is that a Jump with an instant Kunai or can you throw it at mid jump?
  • inf4myinf4my Joined: Posts: 101
    GunBuster wrote: »
    Can I ask what is air L kunai? is that a Jump with an instant Kunai or can you throw it at mid jump?

    I just meant use LP Kunai in the air.

    You can throw it any time during the jump, but if you do it too early or late, it won't hit them.

  • inf4myinf4my Joined: Posts: 101
    For those that didn't see it, a Vega player named Arlieth posted a video that shows him whiffing an air throw in order to make st.LP AA's whiff during a jump-in.



    Many people seem to think this tech only applies to Vega, but actually it applies to any character with an air throw, including Ibuki.

    So next time you play a Necalli / Ryu / Karin that mashes jab AA constantly, pull this out of them.

    Keep in mind, it only works against *early* jabs. If they do it late, you'll still get hit because your upper body hurtbox will be low enough for them to hit you. This is why it doesn't really work on Alex/Gief/Chun, because their AA hitboxes are higher up.
  • GunBusterGunBuster Joined: Posts: 178
    inf4my wrote: »
    GunBuster wrote: »
    Can I ask what is air L kunai? is that a Jump with an instant Kunai or can you throw it at mid jump?

    I just meant use LP Kunai in the air.

    You can throw it any time during the jump, but if you do it too early or late, it won't hit them.

    Thank you for the clarification! For a moment, I was wondering if you meant to do a HK command dash and do a Kunai right away. But this helps alot! Cheers,
  • ensaneensane Garbage Joined: Posts: 72
    While on the subject of that tech, what is the landing lag on air throws. I'd heard that empty jump lag was changed to 0 between sf4 and sfv but I'm not sure about the data for jump attack lag and air throws lag at all.
  • inf4myinf4my Joined: Posts: 101
    ensane wrote: »
    While on the subject of that tech, what is the landing lag on air throws. I'd heard that empty jump lag was changed to 0 between sf4 and sfv but I'm not sure about the data for jump attack lag and air throws lag at all.

    I'm glad you asked that question, because I just assumed that the recovery would be the same regardless of what you press in the air.

    You got me curious though so I tested it.

    Turns out that if you press a normal button in the air, you will have 2 frames of recovery.

    If you whiff an air throw, you have 6 frames of recovery.

    If you empty jump, it appears that you have 0 frames of recovery but I can't think of a reliable way to test that. I recorded Chun Li doing empty jump cr.LP and I tried to counter hit her as she landed, and it seemed impossible, so I'm fairly certain there is 0 frames of recovery on an empty jump.
  • DevilJin 01DevilJin 01 Ibuki and Juri BUFFZ Joined: Posts: 52,334 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Pretty sure I heard there's no recovery on empty landing.

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  • ensaneensane Garbage Joined: Posts: 72
    2 frames is pretty hard to punish, but 6 frames is definitely doable on reaction; meaning the more this tactic spreads, the easier is will be to bait by either using an actual AA or by punishing the recovery.

    I feel like this probably benefits chun the most, since I'm pretty sure she's the only other character (besides ibuki) with an air throw and trajectory altering move. Bonus if you can air throw out of her vskill, which I unfortunately cannot test. Definitely worth it for both chun and ibuki though when you look at how bad the normal jump ins are.
  • DevilJin 01DevilJin 01 Ibuki and Juri BUFFZ Joined: Posts: 52,334 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Yeah definitely worth using for Ibuki because she doesn't have anything as good as Chun's j.HK. Chun's j.HK can stuff some of the dumber AA jabs that are in the game with the right timing. Ibuki is kinda fucked for that other than hoping the kunai hits them inbetween the active frames. In general I don't like jumping much with Ibuki or Chun as they both have 41/42 frame jumps that are a bit too floaty for the jump meta.

    You want those quick 38/39 frame jumps to make your jump harder to react to to begin with.

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  • GunBusterGunBuster Joined: Posts: 178
    edited August 2016
    Hi Guys, How do you do the L kunai release after crouching HP? I press and held LP right after pressing Cr. HP, then release LP, but nothing comes out.
  • Paradise1955Paradise1955 Joined: Posts: 366
    edited August 2016
    You have to have the button charged before the c.HP. So for example you would start charging lp kunai then do j.HK to c.HP release lp kunai then end with raida if you in the corner.
    Btw how do I quote people.
  • GunBusterGunBuster Joined: Posts: 178
    You have to have the button charged before the c.HP. So for example you would start charging lp kunai then do j.HK to c.HP release lp kunai then end with raida if you in the corner.
    Btw how do I quote people.

    Thanks Paradise!

    For quoting, there's a "Quote" button at the bottom of the text box. It's right next to the flag button
  • ZAYMAXZAYMAX Joined: Posts: 115
    Hey guys! Been trying Ibuki for a couple of days and she's been really fun! And I find her to be really good and underrated. I have a couple of questions:

    1) If you know you can't get normal > kunai > VT off in a match, how do you apply pressure doing the same string on block? What I mean is how do you use your vtrig on someone that is blocking? For both a regular kunai and ex kunai.

    2) How do you guys use the bomb in neutral? If I know I can't get it off sometimes I just throw it to try and full recharge my kunai.

    Thanks for your help guys!
  • ReanRean Freebuki Joined: Posts: 844
    edited August 2016
    1) after st.mp you have 4 options
    you can overhead
    you can frametrap with another mp
    you can throw
    you can vt cancel and frametrap with another walkup st.mp > cr.mp and then command dash that will/will not crossup into bomb explosion
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  • DevilJin 01DevilJin 01 Ibuki and Juri BUFFZ Joined: Posts: 52,334 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    edited August 2016
    Ream explained most of the basic block pressure stuff.

    The issue with Ibuki's V Trigger though is that it's a 3 bar V Trigger that isn't a power up. It essentially works like a one shot V Trigger like Nash's or Mika's except you get 2 shots. Your strongest shot is obviously your VTC which you don't want to waste on a block if the opponent has V Gauge. Any blocked VTC can be V Reversaled on reaction and you can be left dealing with meaty pressure or a safe jump after getting knocked down with just one weaker bomb left to use.

    Basically, use her V Trigger on block ONLY if the opponent does not have any V Reversals or already popped their V Trigger. In those situations, your block VTC game becomes much scarier. If they do have a V Reversal, stick to hit confirming it or throwing it out in neutral.





    I just use the bomb in neutral depending on my opponents options and meter. Against a character like Zangief or Chun it's generally pretty safe to throw since neither of them have anything that hurls them through projectiles. They are both characters that are very viable to throw the bomb and then reload a few kunais before they get in. Characters like Karin, Alex, Nash and Ken that have a lot of explosive EX and/or super options you have to be more careful with. Better to throw if if they are lower on meter (like 1 bar or less).

    If they get antsy and jump you can use that time to move in and continue pressure. Especially if they're close to the corner. Otherwise you can use it as a guard for you to reload and do your reloading based on the character you're fighting

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  • inf4myinf4my Joined: Posts: 101
    Whenever I have a healthy life lead, I tend to use my V-Gauge on V-Reversals because it turns a lot of minus situations into free pressure for Ibuki.

    But, if I do end up using VT for block pressure, I only do it when they can't V-Reversal otherwise it's wasted.

    Here's an awesome sequence that I like to do in the corner when I'm loaded up on resources against someone who likes to block a lot on defense:

    st.MP, cr.MP xx Kunai xx VT, st.LK xx LK Dash, f.MK, st.MP, st.MP xx EX Kunai xx VT, step forward, st.MP, Slide, st.MP, cr.MP xx EX Kunai, MK Dash etc etc etc...

    Good luck blocking all that lol. Nobody has ever actually blocked the entire sequence online yet.

    They can get out of this during the first LK Dash, but people tend to be hesitant in that situation because you are + on block and the bomb is right under them.

    If they block the overhead, it's +3 on block instead of -2.

    If they somehow manage to keep blocking until you do the slide, the slide becomes at least +9 on block.

    You can keep the pressure going for as long as you have meter, by doing strings into EX Kunai.
  • ReanRean Freebuki Joined: Posts: 844
    edited August 2016
    oh about antiairs, dont forget you can use the bomb off her antiairs too.
    you can b+mp VTC ....
    you can crush counter st.hk VTC ...

    man, ibuki is hard. i know all the theory but my hands are ass. cant do stuff i want to do and just lose. makes me a saaad panda
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  • DevilJin 01DevilJin 01 Ibuki and Juri BUFFZ Joined: Posts: 52,334 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    That's the situation with the kunoichi. There's always a shit ton of memorization and combo/setup grinding with her. You don't get a straightforward gameplan with her, you just have to find a way to make her as straightforward as possible with all of her options. In the time it would take you to have a lot of Ibuki's neutral and setups down, you probably could have learned the neutral and setups for like Karin, Ryu and Nash all at once.


    She's always been extremely fun for me to play due to that. You get neutral options, but there's so much she can do outside of just typical SF and it all makes her what she is in each game.

    Kunoichi is always in V Trigger

    BUFF CITY.  Population IBUKI


    SFV: Ibuki (Main Bae), Juri (Buffed Bae), Chun Li (Needs Buffs Bae)

    KOF XIV: Nakoruru/Iori/KDash

    SFIV: Nobody hate that shit (PROTIP: Everyone on SRK hates SFIV)

    3S: Ibuki (main), Alex

    If I ever pick up Xrd: Johnny

    PSN: PervyJin01

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  • inf4myinf4my Joined: Posts: 101
    edited August 2016
    I just realized tonight that with enough practice, you can consistently make your st.MP +5 or +6 on hit after the st.MK TC.

    That is pretty important because for whatever reason, people tend to get hit by that st.MP but it's very often not a counter hit so all you can do is link into st.LK which is what I usually do.

    I think from now on I will make sure to do the st.MP meaty so that I can confirm it into st.MK TC regardless of whether I score a counter hit.
  • DevilJin 01DevilJin 01 Ibuki and Juri BUFFZ Joined: Posts: 52,334 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Good find. Makes sense since you already are at heavy advantage during the TC dash reset as it is. Just keep looping people until they're stunned. Plus you would get hella meterless corner carry.

    Kunoichi is always in V Trigger

    BUFF CITY.  Population IBUKI


    SFV: Ibuki (Main Bae), Juri (Buffed Bae), Chun Li (Needs Buffs Bae)

    KOF XIV: Nakoruru/Iori/KDash

    SFIV: Nobody hate that shit (PROTIP: Everyone on SRK hates SFIV)

    3S: Ibuki (main), Alex

    If I ever pick up Xrd: Johnny

    PSN: PervyJin01

    CFN: PervyJin01 (PS4) Twitch: c88deviljin01

  • ReanRean Freebuki Joined: Posts: 844
    the only thing i wish ibuki had is medium-medium confirm. cammy has it, karin has it...
    confirming with lights is such an annoyance.
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  • DevilJin 01DevilJin 01 Ibuki and Juri BUFFZ Joined: Posts: 52,334 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    edited August 2016
    Eh some characters are forced to confirm off counter hits or one hit confirms. Doesn't really bother me since my reactions with that stuff are pretty good and it would be dumb of she could medium medium without counter hits. You cant back rise any of her combos and sweep target puts them in standing reset so it would be definitely OD

    S.mp, s.lk is pretty serviceable for non counter hit combo.

    Kunoichi is always in V Trigger

    BUFF CITY.  Population IBUKI


    SFV: Ibuki (Main Bae), Juri (Buffed Bae), Chun Li (Needs Buffs Bae)

    KOF XIV: Nakoruru/Iori/KDash

    SFIV: Nobody hate that shit (PROTIP: Everyone on SRK hates SFIV)

    3S: Ibuki (main), Alex

    If I ever pick up Xrd: Johnny

    PSN: PervyJin01

    CFN: PervyJin01 (PS4) Twitch: c88deviljin01

  • ZAYMAXZAYMAX Joined: Posts: 115
    Thanks for the quick and insightful responses guys. I love how active this board seems to be compared to other boards.

    This will up my blockstrings immensely. Ibuki has normals that deal pretty good white life damage. I try and optimize the white life to compensate for her lower damage output. @inf4my the sequence you mentioned earlier does somewhere around 120-130 in white life if everything is blocked, if they happen to get tagged into a conversion its basically about 300 dmg, 240 if they don't tech a throw.

    Also for vtrigger mix-ups I generally just go for the usual Sako bomb set-up or the 1 hit b.mp > VTC > dash forward whiff throw (to cover quick rise) > backdash > lk/mk dash for either fake cross-up/cross up.

    Anything else I should I add to the arsenal? Still a very very basic Ibuki :P
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