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  • 2-D2-D Praise BasedGod...Hand Joined: Posts: 985
    Slightly annoyed Parker Industries is gone & he's back to using the old costume. I enjoy seeing characters grow and progress. Appeasing to nerd motherfuckers like that is probably why we're stuck with Eddie Brock as Venom again.
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    lolololol fucking hell.

    Secret Empire #9.

    It's almost equal parts amazing and unbelievably stupid.
    Heck, I'm so entertained that I could forgive about how everything is suddenly rushing to the end.
    Best bit:
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  • ZephyranthesZephyranthes Mad Mod Poet God Joined: Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Character growth and progress is always gonna have a limit when you're reading corporate cape comics. It's just part of the game.

    But personally, I wasn't a fan of the idea that Peter would have his own successful tech company.
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  • ArtVandelayArtVandelay Architect Joined: Posts: 5,578
    edited August 23
    Character growth and progress is always gonna have a limit when you're reading corporate cape comics. It's just part of the game.

    But personally, I wasn't a fan of the idea that Peter would have his own successful tech company.

    That's why I don't read them anymore unless it's by a great author and artist that take them for their own spin.
    I don't think there's any story left that you specifically need Spider-Man for to tell it. The character has run its course and can die for all I care. The only reason he is still around is for brand recognition, and that's not enough reason for me to care anymore.

    The last couple of times I saw interesting shit with established characters was The Punisher: Welcome Back, Frank, Fury MAX both by Garth Ennis and New X-Men by Grant Morrison.
    Haven't read comic books in a while, so if anyone could recommend great writers that did some gritty shit on mainstream comic books, I'm all ears.
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  • SanoSano SRKSANO on PS4 Joined: Posts: 13,059 mod
    edited August 23
    My problem with Spider-Man being a millionaire is less about the end result but more in the way it was executed.

    We're talking about a kid who invented Web-Shooters when he was a teenager, something that no one in our world can build today. He also made a car that can drive up a wall, a silver Spider-Armor in Web of Spider-Man #50 that snugged his body that no one can build today which was so spectacular THE NEW ENFORCERS GOT SCRRRRED WERE NEVER SEEN AGAIN OH SNAP!!!! Moving on...

    If you want to make Spider-Man rich, there's ways to do logically in the story. Patent any of these ideas and you'll be set for live. I'm not sure it's in character, because you know, "Wealth And Fame, He's Ignored! Action Is, His Reward..." and so on. It still seems like a fun path a writer can explore for a time.

    That's not what happened. Doctor Octopus rode in his body, got his PHD for him and built up Parker Industries himself. As soon as Peter Parker regained control of his body, he started messing up, all of his employees told him he was a dumb ass, another tried to stab him in the back and the end result of all this was the main building collapsing.

    So that's the end of Parker Industries right? Nope. Right after that Secret Wars started. And then when Secret Wars ended WABAM!!! Guess what? He's a bajillionaire!

    That's just horrible story telling right there. To me this is like the equivalent of watching an episode of Goof Troop that ends with Goofy oh I don't know slipping on a banana peel or whatever and in the very next episode he has Uncle Scrooge's Money Bin and is doing a great job of running McDuck Industries! WHAT THE....

    To add salt on the wound, if you think Parker Industries got built up solely by Peter Parker's efforts, in the last issue that came out Doctor Octopus straight up says that this was not the case, and Peter Parker agrees with him thus ending the debate in the book itself. Peter Parker is a dumb ass. There you go.

    In comparison, I don't recall any fans complaining when Peter Parker became a teacher during JMS run, or in the MC2 / Spider-Girl world where he became a forensic scientist. Because these are things that he gained through his own efforts that made sense for the character. I would have much less problems with the story if this is what happened. Sure, it's comics. Eventually he'd fall from grace anyway. At least he would rise on his own efforts instead of having Otto ride shotgun to get him there.
  • 2-D2-D Praise BasedGod...Hand Joined: Posts: 985
    Character growth and progress is always gonna have a limit when you're reading corporate cape comics. It's just part of the game.

    But personally, I wasn't a fan of the idea that Peter would have his own successful tech company.

    That's why I don't read them anymore unless it's by a great author and artist that take them for their own spin.
    I don't think there's any story left that you specifically need Spider-Man for to tell it. The character has run its course and can die for all I care. The only reason he is still around is for brand recognition, and that's not enough reason for me to care anymore.

    The last couple of times I saw interesting shit with established characters was The Punisher: Welcome Back, Frank, Fury MAX both by Garth Ennis and New X-Men by Grant Morrison.
    Haven't read comic books in a while, so if anyone could recommend great writers that did some gritty shit on mainstream comic books, I'm all ears.

    Well seeing as how you seem to like Punisher I'd reccomend Greg Rucka's run. Criminally short. Criminally underrated. One thing people never forgot about that run was that he had a beard & looked a helluva lot like Solid Snake.

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  • ZephyranthesZephyranthes Mad Mod Poet God Joined: Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    The last couple of times I saw interesting shit with established characters was The Punisher: Welcome Back, Frank, Fury MAX both by Garth Ennis and New X-Men by Grant Morrison.
    Haven't read comic books in a while, so if anyone could recommend great writers that did some gritty shit on mainstream comic books, I'm all ears.

    Safe to assume you've read the Punisher MAX run that Ennis wrote, in addition to Welcome Back, Frank and the Marvel Knights run?

    One my favorite writers is Warren Ellis. He don't always do Marvel/DC stuff, but when he does, he produces great work. In terms of taking established characters and putting new spins on them, Ellis wrote a run on Thunderbolts that's something I still pick up off my shelf regularly. Somewhat more recently, he also did six issues of Moon Knight that pretty much are the best Moon Knight comics.

    Another great piece of work doing something new with something old is the Matt Fraction/David Aja/Annie Wu Hawkeye series.

    If you've already copped those, I'll try to think of some other cool stuff.
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  • ReggieHadokenReggieHadoken Power Up Joined: Posts: 3,409 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    I picked up Spider-Man 2099 issues 23-24 only to find out Peter David's run ended. I suppose I could just collect the trades though there is a four part Civil War II tie in I'm not excited about.

    So Amazing Spider-Man RYV is gonna get a new creative team in issue #13 and a time skip? Ehhhh, I gotta say, I'm not really looking forward to that. I guess we'll see where it goes.

    I decided to pick up Dark Nights Metal #1. I could have gotten any of the variants but I liked the standard issue cover. Guess I'll be sticking with this mini series.
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    The last couple of times I saw interesting shit with established characters was The Punisher: Welcome Back, Frank, Fury MAX both by Garth Ennis and New X-Men by Grant Morrison.
    Haven't read comic books in a while, so if anyone could recommend great writers that did some gritty shit on mainstream comic books, I'm all ears.

    Uncanny X-Force by Remender is what you seek.

    Also New Avengers/Avengers by Hickman.
  • 2-D2-D Praise BasedGod...Hand Joined: Posts: 985
    I second Uncanny X-Force. MAKE SURE its Remenders run. Hell I'd recommend Duggan & Posehn's first Deadpool run. Really good stuff. And coming off of that x-force run its really good because Wade's demeanor is more serious, but he's still a goof
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    The only issue I had with Remender's X-Force run is he doesn't understand how time travel works in the Marvel universe, and he had two X-Men characters who should be well versed in it not understand it either. It's basic alternate reality theory. See the new Star Trek movies. Or the Dragon Ball Z Future Trunks saga. Well, Bendis didn't understand it either with Age of Ultron. Hickman got it though.

    This is a really minor flaw though and it won't come up until the very end of the run. Deadpool, Psylocke, Wolverine and Archangel were all amazing. Definitely worth reading.

  • ZephyranthesZephyranthes Mad Mod Poet God Joined: Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    What was your issue with how Remender handled time travel?

    And I also fully support Remender's Uncanny X-Force. That was a fantastic series.
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  • SanoSano SRKSANO on PS4 Joined: Posts: 13,059 mod
    edited August 24
    Time travel stuff. Time to start drawing charts and argue about Future Trunks always having had light blue hair!
    Psylocke wanted to kill herself to prevent her future self from becoming evil. As a member of Exiles she should already know there isn't a definitive future and if there was, you can't change it. If you see the actual 616 future (which almost no one sees), that's it. Nothing you can do about it. Don't know if anyone watched Agents of SHIELD but there's an episode where Fitz explains this part.

    This is all over the X books, so there's no way Wolverine wouldn't understand this. Kitty Pryde couldn't change her future in Days of Future Past. Cable couldn't change his future. Bishop neither. Either their actions create alternate realities and their time remains the same or they were always meant to travel to 616 and make it so 616 doesn't turn out the way their world does (if you buy into time being an illusion and all time existing at the same time, From Hell is great at explaining this). Either way, you can't save the future.

    Psylocke killing herself would accomplish nothing. The world where she becomes evil would remain exactly as it is. With an evil Psylocke still being evil. That would only work in Back To The Future land (one self correcting timeline) which is easier for some people to understand but doesn't make a lot of sense if you really stop and think about it.

    ............If anything I said makes sense? Lol time travel arguments will get you thrown out of comic con ha ha!

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    Time traveling is very complicated stuff to really make sense of in any comic book, which they end up retconning most of the time.

    Flashpoint is always a good reference of how to approach alternate realities and time travel. Geoff Johns came pretty close to making a consistent and logical structure of how it should work in theory.

    Marvel and it's writing teams have yet to make a really good one with all of their time hopping characters imo
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  • SanoSano SRKSANO on PS4 Joined: Posts: 13,059 mod
    edited August 25
    Flashpoint doesn't make sense at all. Barry saving his mother's life should have absolutely no effect on anything that happened before his mother died, like where Superman landed or having Bruce Wayne killed instead of his parents. It was basically an excuse for Johns, DiDio, Lee and crew to do whatever they wanted with the New 52. Julie Schwartz was turning over in his grave I'm sure.

    If messing with time had that kind of ripple effect you might as well have had everyone in America riding dinosaurs and speaking Chinese. It's just way too obvious when the only things you change are things to sell titles.
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  • ZephyranthesZephyranthes Mad Mod Poet God Joined: Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    I don't think I agree that there's a hard science to time travel in the Marvel Universe that every writer must adhere to. The main thing is that it has to make internal sense within the story. Maybe killing herself wouldn't have solved anything, but I think the idea from Psylocke's point of view was that she didn't want to become Revanche or whatever evil version of herself she was. She probably didn't care about all of the alternate versions of herself out there in the multiverse - she only cared about herself.

    Flashpoint, on the other hand, makes no sense and is a pretty shoddy piece of work, even for an event comic.

    But I wholeheartedly agree that I would read a DC Universe where everyone in America rode dinosaurs and spoke Chinese.

    One Marvel comic that did an awesome job with time travel that went beyond the typical Days of Future Past contrivances was Secret Avengers #20. Warren Ellis and Alex Maleev do one of the greatest Black Widow stories ever. The Secret Avengers get killed during a mission and she has to set things right. Probably the most clever use of time travel I can think of.
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  • SanoSano SRKSANO on PS4 Joined: Posts: 13,059 mod
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    I don't think I agree that there's a hard science to time travel in the Marvel Universe that every writer must adhere to. The main thing is that it has to make internal sense within the story. Maybe killing herself wouldn't have solved anything, but I think the idea from Psylocke's point of view was that she didn't want to become Revanche or whatever evil version of herself she was. She probably didn't care about all of the alternate versions of herself out there in the multiverse - she only cared about herself.

    Good point overall. Science aside, the beat just didn't make sense or ring true to me with the characters the author was using. When I talked about this in the old Marvel Comics forum way back when, I made a similar justification as you did in my head to reconcile with the character's history. Since you hardly ever see letters pages or No-Prizes there's not much you can do with any of that these days. If the author worded things better that would solve the entire thing for me. Sometimes it blows and sometimes it's great that editors don't really check things like that anymore, or do anything at all other than make sure the books arrive on the shelves in time.

    Overall I don't think that's something Psylocke would kill herself over in the first place. That felt out of character. I guess ultimately she didn't, so there's that.

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    Best read for me was the Generations The Mighty Thor book. For spoiler reasons -
    The two Thors traveled to the past and met an ancient Apocalypse from Egypt! OG boss from X-Men vs. Street Fighter and MSH vs. SF REPRESENT!



  • JoshkazJoshkaz Princess Luna is my Waifu Joined: Posts: 15,337
    Sano wrote: »





    Best read for me was the Generations The Mighty Thor book. For spoiler reasons -
    The two Thors traveled to the past and met an ancient Apocalypse from Egypt! OG boss from X-Men vs. Street Fighter and MSH vs. SF REPRESENT!


    How ass raped did Apocalypse get? One Thor would destroy him, but two? Dude probably needs a few ten thousand years to even recover.
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  • SanoSano SRKSANO on PS4 Joined: Posts: 13,059 mod
    Thor stuff.
    Jane Thor was the only time traveler and this all took place before the original Thor got Mjolnir. Apocalypse still lost but his ass was raped a lot worse by Fox Studios in X-Men Apocalpyse.
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    edited August 29
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    I had no idea Pete used webbing to experiment with BDSM

    whats funnier is this is from the 80s? this is wayyyy before bdsm was even a thing. lmfao. shit was super underground back then,that writer was a freak.
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    hoo, boy...

    Secret Empire # 10











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    Sano wrote: »
    Flashpoint doesn't make sense at all. Barry saving his mother's life should have absolutely no effect on anything that happened before his mother died, like where Superman landed or having Bruce Wayne killed instead of his parents. It was basically an excuse for Johns, DiDio, Lee and crew to do whatever they wanted with the New 52. Julie Schwartz was turning over in his grave I'm sure.

    If messing with time had that kind of ripple effect you might as well have had everyone in America riding dinosaurs and speaking Chinese. It's just way too obvious when the only things you change are things to sell titles.

    Selling books aside, it made sense to me in a way that I realized it wasn't a self-correcting timeline like that of Back to the Future.
    Flashpoint is a solid read from start to finish and it managed to be a real comic book event at the time imo
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  • SanoSano SRKSANO on PS4 Joined: Posts: 13,059 mod
    edited September 11
    Last of the Marvel vs. Capcom Infinite variants. This pic is super late because a nasty Summer cold was beating me up for the last two weeks. All better now. Read comics. They're good for your health! Lol!



    Best read of the three was the Thanos book because it was pretty much him kicking everyone's ass for the entire story. He was on some mental discovery journey and beat up a lot of Marvel heroes in his mind too. Fun!

    Shout out to the Black Panther book because Storm was in it. I don't read any X-Men comics these days so haven't seen her in a long time.

    It was fun buying all these variants since I like to collect Capcom stuff. It reminded me of back in the day when I used to buy 7 books a week. Those days are long gone because comics cost too much money and everything else in life costs too much money. I'm not happy with a lot of current comics but I might just be getting into the old guy who hates everything. "WHEN I WAS YOUR AGE WE ONLY HAD ONE SPIDER-MAN..." Well anyway, I enjoyed most of the books I read but I liked the action packed ones more than the ones filled with tons of dialog that were trying to be like Bendis but lacked his flair for dialog. I hate on current overworked Bendis a lot, but I always enjoyed the way his characters spoke. Well, except for when he tried to make Rocket Raccoon's catch phrase "Blam! Murdered you!" Yeah, that was just bad. At least he let Guardians of the Galaxy go and the book is in much better hands now.

    I've been hearing a lot of good things about Seeley's Nightwing run and I'm going to pick up the first TPB when I get around to it. I didn't even know Nightwing had a kid. Definitely want to see what that's about.
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    I can't be fucked to buy monthly issues anymore.
    If anything good comes out, wake me up when the paperback releases.
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    I can't be fucked to buy monthly issues anymore.
    If anything good comes out, wake me up when the paperback releases.

    This is how I am. I don't buy single issues. I buy tpb, hard covers and compendiums.
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    The ads in monthly issues are just ugly. Like I wanna get away from reality when I read a book or comic book, and then suddenly I'm faced with shitty advertisements. Fuck that!
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    ...Time to order more paperbacks of Transmetropolitan. Put myself on a haitus after the 4th volume.

    This goddamn story holds up too fucking well, especially with today's political climate.
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    The only single issues I buy fresh off the racks are whatever join Brubaker and Phillips are making. Right now, that's Kill or Be Killed, from Image. It's got more than your typical 20 pages of story, and the only ads in the comic are ads for their own books (and they're always placed at the very end of the issue, so they don't disrupt the flow of the story). Plus, there's always an editorial from Bru, a letters page, and an essay about an old noir story. So it's definitely something that I feel is worth the cover price, and it takes more than 5 minutes to read, too.

    But yeah, I ain't paying 4 bucks for your basic Marvel/DC comic. That ain't worth it, for all the reasons you guys mentioned.

    I was just reading through my Gotham by Midnight issues a few days ago. (I found them all in quarter bins, months/years after the fact.) It's a true gem of the New 52 era, but there was this one issue where they broke up a page by having the top half of the page contain the panels, and the bottom half of the page had an advertisement for Twix or something. What is that junk? The page directly opposite did the exact same thing. That's not cool. There was no reason to break up a page like that. I saw no storytelling purpose to it. It just made me angry.

    I'm still waiting for Absolute Transmet volume 3. I don't think it's been announced yet but it'd be a pretty messed up thing for DC to not release it. One of the best deals I ever found was when I bought the set of all the paperbacks for 20 bucks from some guy on Craigslist. What a great series. Definitely one of Ellis' best works, and probably my favorite Robertson comics, too. Pretty forward thinking for its time... Science fiction and socio-political commentary that was created twenty years ago but still feels relevant and fresh today.

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    ...Time to order more paperbacks of Transmetropolitan. Put myself on a haitus after the 4th volume.

    This goddamn story holds up too fucking well, especially with today's political climate.

    Need to get back around to reading this. Have the first three volumes of the TPB, but only read the first.
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    Transmetropolitan was craaaaaazy good. But then again I love Warren Ellis. I wish he'd finish Fell and that he could finish newuniversal. :sad: Planetary reads better slowly than in a TPB, imho.
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    Turns out Ed Brubaker lived across the street from my friend up until a year ago. My friend got to go into his house and accidentally bought a box of Brubaker's early work and original scripts/art/etc at the garage sale when Ed moved out. *jaw drop*

    sooooo jealous
    It turns out my friend did get a bunch of boxes of Brubaker's stuff at the garage sale. He gave me a box since he knows I'm a huge fan. It was Ed's TBP copies of various of his works (including <3 Sleeper <3 ), variant cover single issues, etc. Best present of the year.

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    Ellis is on point right now with Trees and Injection...especially Injection.
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    The Dark Nights event is holding my attention right now and even with the very weak tie-ins, is still a solid read.
    It's interesting to see how they started rolling in some of the older characters [Dr. Fate, Plasticman] and I'm looking forward to some surprises along the way.
    Hawkman is obviously returning, there's even a one-shot for him down the line but I'll reserve judgment until I've actually read it.

    I'm also hyped for Doomsday Clock.
    Damn, the ashcan preview gave me genuine chills especially when a specific character shows up out of nowhere.
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    I'm dipping my toe into Rebirth...we will see how it goes.
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    I bought the Wonder Woman: Rebirth hardcover by Rucka recently. I'll read it soon. It was probably the one that interested me the most. I'm kinda curious about Deathstroke because it's by Priest. And I heard good things about Batman by Tom King. I've read some of his other comics, and those were good.
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    Big news today. Bendis just signed a multiyear exclusivity deal with DC. I didn't see that coming.
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    Big news today. Bendis just signed a multiyear exclusivity deal with DC. I didn't see that coming.

    Yeah and Disney might buy Fox's movie division, the other big news story from yesterday. I know some people start the Christmas celebrations right after Halloween but geez! :lol:

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    Big news today. Bendis just signed a multiyear exclusivity deal with DC. I didn't see that coming.

    Nobody did. My reaction?

    Bye.

    No doubt he made some great contributions, but he ruined X-Men for me. It's like dude was incapable of writing anything decent outside of Miles and Jessica.
  • SanoSano SRKSANO on PS4 Joined: Posts: 13,059 mod
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    Speedy write up on Bendis leaving Marvel for DC by George Berryman on Spider-Man Crawlspace. I don't agree with everything George said since I liked his early Avengers work (granted, I wasn't reading Avengers prior) and early Ultimate Spider-Man but I more or less agree with the sentiment.

    http://www.spidermancrawlspace.com/2017/11/07/the-obligatory-bendis-leaves-marvel-coverage/
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