Arcana Heart 4

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https://www.eventhubs.com/news/2017/jan/10/arcana-heart-4-coming-developers-asking-overseas-fans-help-make-game-easier-new-players-and-better-accomodate-western-sensibilities/

The developer announced the development of Arcana Heart 4, also asked questions specifically for overseas fans pratically confirming a worldwide release as well
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  • IdunoIduno ...what to put here Joined: Posts: 5,128
    FUCK

    Got all exited for a new version of my favourite fighting game but those questions are fucking heartbreaking.

    How do we ruin this game to chase after casuals?

    Fucking sellouts.
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  • Monkey66Monkey66 Joined: Posts: 1,364
    Yeah I'm definitely worry about that, I don't like when Japanese developers sellout to people westerners when it comes to censorship. Fortunately, it seems most people don't want it.

    DOA and Senran Kagura do well in the west and they have more fanservice, so I see no point in it
  • IdunoIduno ...what to put here Joined: Posts: 5,128
    The stupidest thing is selling out wouldn't even work in the first place, it's a niche game in a niche genre already, unless they literally buy the rights to call it Mortal Kombat, Street Fighter or Tekken it's never going to sell gangbusters, no matter how much they sell out.
    “It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more... than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so ****ing what."
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  • Monkey66Monkey66 Joined: Posts: 1,364
    PSYCH0J0SH wrote: »
    Arcana Heart came out before Skullgirls you anus. Also SG is not "all-girl".

    This thread title is deeply offensive.

    I apologize for my ignorance :'(

    Lol I needed an interesting title to go with it, will change it in a bit when it comes up
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    Pls hd 2d sprites, pls hd 2d sprites.
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  • HawkingbirdHawkingbird I am thou...thou art I Joined: Posts: 25,684
    Greater western appeal will not help this series one bit. It should stay the way it is and fuck anybody who doesn't like it.
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  • Monkey66Monkey66 Joined: Posts: 1,364
    edited January 11
    If they should change (or tweak) anything it's the graphics

    Something like these





    Arcana Heart graphics aren't bad, but they aren't impressive compared to most anime FGs either
  • OceanMachineOceanMachine ROCKET LAUNCHER GOD Joined: Posts: 9,050
    Kira or Konoha wouldn't be uncomfortable if they weren't in a game with blatant NSFW content.
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  • Monkey66Monkey66 Joined: Posts: 1,364
    Tbh there are games with much more fanservice, so things like this I fail to see why people would get pissy about

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  • PSYCH0J0SHPSYCH0J0SH Joined: Posts: 5,469
    Monkey66 wrote: »
    Tbh there are games with much more fanservice, so things like this I fail to see why people would get pissy about

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    They're mainly making a big deal about the fact that they're underage.
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  • JetKinenJetKinen Joined: Posts: 578
    Arcana Heart faces the hurdle of having an all-female cast.

    Even if the game is objectively the greatest fighting game in the world, it will always remain a niche title as long as they embrace that aspect.

    Which is fine, Arcana Heart has such a reputation that it doesn't matter what they do they will always be a niche title, so they should just embrace that and pander the shit out of that niche.

    I dunno, make a huge fully voiced convoluted Visual Novel-esque story mode about your characters.

    It worked for Blazblue.
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    I am not against this
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  • NiiobuNiiobu Arcana Blart 3: LOVE MALL!!!!! Joined: Posts: 1,032
    Arcana Heart's already got a sizeable audience in Japan, and it's not like it's ever gonna be a forefront game in the US (regardless of Japanese popularity) so they should just go in the same overall direction they've been going and make whatever improvements they can in that area. They'll get the east and then the small, dedicated base in the west. Trying to cater to casual FG players who probably won't play the game anyway may be harmful.
    Arcana Heart mechanics are dope so I'm looking forward to it.
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  • Monkey66Monkey66 Joined: Posts: 1,364
    edited January 11
    Bump every character to +18 and make them all thicc.

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    Wow Kira actually looks pretty cool like this

    But idk about how Eko would look like

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  • AlterGenesisAlterGenesis new srk is trollin Joined: Posts: 3,462
    Oooooh yeah YALL READY FOR HOMING COMBOS

    ...and lol, without changing the entire core of what Arcana Heart is and why people play it, they could never change it to suit "Western" sensibilities. Might as well call it Manly Ryu Fighter 4.
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  • Brightside6382Brightside6382 It can't be helped Joined: Posts: 949
    They should just make it even more anime. AH will never appeal to the masses since its a literal doujin game with surprisingly good mechanics.
  • Mangy_CatMangy_Cat Trans(Siberian Railway) Joined: Posts: 595
    edited January 15
    loved Arcana Heart 3 cause it had cute girls so can't wait for AH4 to come out.
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  • MikuruXMikuruX ┐( ̄ー ̄)┌ Scrubby! Joined: Posts: 497
    Just a small confirmation. As of right now, Arcana Heart 4 is currently to in development for both Arcade & Steam.


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  • keo-baskeo-bas Joined: Posts: 1,968
    edited March 9
    I just think they need to be aggressive with marketing the game. They can't rely on the "word of mouth" or arcades "attract mode". They need to get their faces out there and what they can offer.
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    keo-bas wrote: »
    I just think they need to be aggressive with marketing the game. They can't rely on the "word of mouth" or arcades "attract mode". They need to get their faces out there and who what they can offer.

    Just a heads up, I'm also in the process of talking to Examu, Takaya-san, & RyoRca (she's the songwriter for UNIEL, Melty Blood, & did the lyrics for Persona 4 "Pursing My True Self" - she's acting as my point of contact as a rep for Examu) in trying to get them to attend Anime Weekend Atlanta this year. So far, their interested but with scheduling, it's going to be tough but they want to see what my intent is and what we can offer them in coming.

    Let's hope everything plays out the way I want.
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  • KeckaKecka Psycho Crushing that booty Joined: Posts: 1,556
    They're basically stuck between a rock and a hard place. Excessive Japanese anime moe culture is off-putting to a lot of westerners. Now, they could keep going in the direction they've been going, but my guess is they see no significant profit there competing in a crowded market with games like Dengeki Bunko and whatnot, which have the obvious advantage of having the actual well-known anime characters in there. So they probably figured it would be a better move to go more in the direction of ArcSys games, which do relatively well in the west for anime fighters. Except the existing game's fanbase are people who actually do enjoy the aesthetics.

    For me, Arcana Heart has always had largely the same issue as DoA. It's a good series with good mechanics where Japan being Japan made the aesthetics unappealing to a lot of consumers, because there is a divide in what's considered in good taste. And I'm sure someone's going to get pissed at me for saying that, but it's a fact that to a lot of people, significant portions of the aesthetic of Arcana Heart is creepy fetishization of little girls, whether they're right or not. Hell, you could argue that political issues or gender politics or whatever shouldn't prevent you from enjoying a game or not, but that's rather naive and opens a whole barrel full of worms most people would probably rather leave sealed in some basement.

    Then again, I'm one of those people who greatly enjoyed Arcana Heart 3, but had to struggle with feeling like I needed to take a shower every time I played it early on. I'll definitely buy 4 if it's half as good as 3 was, but I probably won't buy a physical copy in person without first putting on a trechncoat and dark glasses.
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    edited March 8
    Kecka wrote: »
    I'll definitely buy 4 if it's half as good as 3 was, but I probably won't buy a physical copy in person without first putting on a trechncoat and dark glasses.

    And then comes that asshole friend of yours that shouts loud and clear to everyone hear: "HELLO KECKA, HOW ARE YOU DOING MAN? WHOOO, ARE YOU A FAN OF ARCANA HEART TOO? WHAT'S YOUR FAVORITE CHARACTER? MINE IS THAT 10 YEARS OLD GIRL WITH SWIMSUIT!".

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    Kecka wrote: »
    zzzzzzzz.

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    They need to double down on the moe.
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    Kecka wrote: »

    For me, Arcana Heart has always had largely the same issue as DoA.
    It's a good series with
    good mechanics.

    There's nothing good about DOA besides the waifus though.

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    Kecka wrote: »
    They're basically stuck between a rock and a hard place. Excessive Japanese anime moe culture is off-putting to a lot of westerners. Now, they could keep going in the direction they've been going, but my guess is they see no significant profit there competing in a crowded market with games like Dengeki Bunko and whatnot, which have the obvious advantage of having the actual well-known anime characters in there. So they probably figured it would be a better move to go more in the direction of ArcSys games, which do relatively well in the west for anime fighters. Except the existing game's fanbase are people who actually do enjoy the aesthetics.

    For me, Arcana Heart has always had largely the same issue as DoA. It's a good series with good mechanics where Japan being Japan made the aesthetics unappealing to a lot of consumers, because there is a divide in what's considered in good taste. And I'm sure someone's going to get pissed at me for saying that, but it's a fact that to a lot of people, significant portions of the aesthetic of Arcana Heart is creepy fetishization of little girls, whether they're right or not. Hell, you could argue that political issues or gender politics or whatever shouldn't prevent you from enjoying a game or not, but that's rather naive and opens a whole barrel full of worms most people would probably rather leave sealed in some basement.

    Then again, I'm one of those people who greatly enjoyed Arcana Heart 3, but had to struggle with feeling like I needed to take a shower every time I played it early on. I'll definitely buy 4 if it's half as good as 3 was, but I probably won't buy a physical copy in person without first putting on a trechncoat and dark glasses.

    Actually, DOA and Arcana Heart can't really be compared that easily...

    Dead or Alive is honestly more successful mainly because of what genre it's in and more to the point, it marketed itself better as of late in the West compared to Arcana. My reasoning is more or less on the nose is that it's mainly due to being too "anime" for the Western market combined with the typical stranglehold Street Fighter has on the Western Fighting Game scene.

    Dead or Alive's main issue is really competing with Tekken since people see that as more of the premier 3D fighter. It's other issues are honestly more used when it comes to 2D players rather than 3D players.

    I think people overblow how exactly much the problem people have is with the fanservice and more or less the actual gameplay or the aesthetic.
    Kecka wrote: »

    For me, Arcana Heart has always had largely the same issue as DoA.
    It's a good series with
    good mechanics.

    There's nothing good about DOA besides the waifus though.

    Don't make me slap your shit.
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    Kecka wrote: »

    For me, Arcana Heart has always had largely the same issue as DoA.
    It's a good series with
    good mechanics.

    There's nothing good about DOA besides the waifus though.

    Nah, it's got them kawaii pantsu too. Plus it also sells lotion at premium prices through dlc costumes.
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    edited March 13
    Well I hope that when it does come out, the characters aren't 3D cell-shaded like Guilty Gear Xrd. I like the characters in plain old 2D.
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    I like them in 3D because more animations and special interactions are possible. Having to hand-draw every frame sort of limits what can be done with them.
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  • Sephiroth73003Sephiroth73003 Joined: Posts: 4,282
    Most people touched on the biggest issue this game has.

    Skullgirls had some issues with the art direction though the characters are interesting, Arcana hearts has both issues though. It also doesn't help the game has art collections and shit of girls in questionable positions that are totally not '10 years old'.

    Arcana hearts has great mechanics imo, but the aesthetic will never appeal to the American scene unless it has more male characters and at least a predominant percentage of the female cast looks like they are in their late teens or older.
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    edited March 16
    Most people touched on the biggest issue this game has.

    Skullgirls had some issues with the art direction though the characters are interesting, Arcana hearts has both issues though. It also doesn't help the game has art collections and shit of girls in questionable positions that are totally not '10 years old'.

    Arcana hearts has great mechanics imo, but the aesthetic will never appeal to the American scene unless it has more male characters and at least a predominant percentage of the female cast looks like they are in their late teens or older.

    You must not have ever played this game then.

    It has plenty of mature looking women, and they don't ever try to hide the fact that the underage girls are indeed underage.

    "Interesting" is a subjective criteria, I'd say Kira with her shapeshifting blob is pretty interesting. They try to be original and not have millions of moves blatantly stolen from other games.

    Male characters? Fuck off back to Skullgirls with that shit. They have all the terrible male characters you'd possibly want. The key selling point of all-girl fighters is that they are in fact all-girl fighters.
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  • MikuruXMikuruX ┐( ̄ー ̄)┌ Scrubby! Joined: Posts: 497
    Arcana Heart 3 Love Max Six Stars will probably be making its way to PC. I say probably because Examu is going the crowd funding route with this one and states that this was from the feedback that they got from the international crowd who really wanted the game while waiting for Arcana Heart 4.




    Really hopes this does well.
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    That's probably the way to go for a game with a small niche in the West. Hope it does well too.
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    Hopefully this enlights them and they do a port of DaemonBride aswell
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