Super Smash Bros. General 2.0 - Git Gud or Whine Trying

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  • Phantom AngelPhantom Angel The Divine One™ Joined: Posts: 27,210
    See me in a fighting game, bruh lol. Fuck Smash.
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  • Mood4food77Mood4food77 Joined: Posts: 9,583
    You talk a lot of shit for someone who got 10-0d
  • Red Rick DiasRed Rick Dias The republica-- I mean, Titans, must be stopped! Joined: Posts: 3,336
    dre37k wrote: »
    But plz don't even give po the slightest reassurance or support that his actions are justifiable. He is the king of empty trash talk. Hes been barking for so long, most of us here really are considering if he has a mental issue.

    I'm not wondering if he has mental issues, I am absolutely certain of it. (I say this while full well admitting I have issues of my own)

    At his core, po is subject to a persecution complex. He sees himself as some protector of true fun and growth as a player, hating virtually all bans in a competitive environment. In his story, smogon and smashboards are the forces of evil trying to destroy all variety in their competitive games (actually somewhat true, see their overzeaelous bans of far too many damn stages in Smash 4 and how they treated the Miis; see below for more on that). The problem is a lack of nuance or range in thinking. That is, po thinks he's the only sane man and the only one with a true appreciation of gaming.

    This has been going on for years. When it turned out I was unaware of a few interesting games in the 3DS library, he offered some as good examples of the system's game variety being wider than it seemed and immediately presumed I was going to attack him for his remarks. Then it branched into an absolute unyielding hatred of whatever characters (except Bayonetta) are top tier at the time, as a manifestation of the idea that every single one of their users is a soulless 'tier whore' who only plays for victory at any cost. That somehow, he is the one true guardian of playing out of a love of one's character. Again, there are tiny shreds of truth here: A shitload of people abandoned sheik once she got nerfed. Tons gave up on sonic once he was toned down. Those are both true. Same with diddy and his stupid hoo-hah combo.

    The problem is po refuses to accept that some people are genuine fans of the playstyle or character and used them before their 'top tier status' was known, that some continue to use said characters so long as they don't fall TOO far (Make a character suck enough, and no amount of identifying with them is going to overcome how futile using them is. You move on, any reasonable person would). To him, absolutely nobody bought Final Fantasy 7 back on the PS1 and enjoyed a tale of Cloud, Tifa, and a half-dozen others fighting to save the planet while exploring their psychological issues. Nope, literally every single person playing Cloud just cares about his excellent hitboxes and damage output. Acknowledging any other possibility deals far too much damage to his delusional view of reality. And he desperately needs to be right, or else his stupid little crusade (which I suspect he has been on for a decade or so, just with nouns changing as he shifts from game to game) is all for naught.

    It's a shame. po is intelligent, and his passion for gaming is obvious. He mis-uses it by tearing into absolutely everyone though, because he cannot see past his persecution complex. Frankly, I've given up on him. He outright voted for an avowed sexual predator, someone who in less than two months in office brought about a genuine "vhere are yoor paperz?" deportation incident in a university classroom I was in, mid-lecture.

    po has mental issues, and they're ones that rob him of his potential to be a wonderful friend and a great ambassador of the competitive spirit. He reminds me of an old Star Trek episode, where a lost colony is found by the Enterprise and its survivors beamed aboard to be taken back to society... except for the colony's leader, who opts to stay behind rather than lose his status as a leader. It only takes him a few minutes of wandering the now-vacant community to realize his folly, now trapped forever alone when it is too late to change that. po is just like that guy, and I fear he won't realize it until he too has been left behind in a vacant community.

    Po is by the definition the worst kind of smash player.

    Second worst. The worst are the likes of zero and mvd, who pushed to have interesting characters excluded from the roster without any real exploration of how they could be fairly included. Who used their position as 'elite players' to bully tournament organizers into bending the rules to suit those whims. po is not as bad as zero and mvd. He is nonetheless bad.

  • po pimpuspo pimpus Let's Hit the Climax! Joined: Posts: 25,220
    edited April 2
    Daily reminder that Smashbros is a bitch, always was a bitch, and will continue to always be a bitch.

    Bitch.

    I can count the number of people using Cloud because they love him on one hand... Scratch that, two fingers.

    I already told you idiots I don't like owing people. A "free" trip to go whoop someone's ass that loses to Ryu all the time because he blocks with his face is definitely not the kind of shit I wanna be indebted to anyone over.

    Only thing I'm bad at in Smash is dick riding top tiers just because they're​ top tier.

    FUCK CLOUD.
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  • LordWilliam1234LordWilliam1234 Permanent Character Crisis Joined: Posts: 21,462
    You wouldn't owe me anything. It'd be a gift.

    How about my offer to send you and Rayne to EVO this year?
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  • Colonel-GilgameshColonel-Gilgamesh Akuma Matata Joined: Posts: 9,093
    Which is funny because everyone would get their money's worth just watching this thing be settled once and for all. Especially since several of us would use it as an excuse to meet up IRL and hangout.

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  • po pimpuspo pimpus Let's Hit the Climax! Joined: Posts: 25,220
    Also, some of us have these things called jobs and responsibilities. Can't just up and take off to NY to settle a score anytime I want.
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  • Colonel-GilgameshColonel-Gilgamesh Akuma Matata Joined: Posts: 9,093
    po pimpus wrote: »
    Also, some of us have these things called jobs and responsibilities. Can't just up and take off to NY to settle a score anytime I want.

    There are, however, things called schedules, days off, and paid leave. I won't blame you for taking days (if you have any) to go gallivanting off to NY, but you still have a schedule, no? There's absolutely no time you can find in your schedule for....lets say 3 days?
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  • dre37kdre37k Don't get Cooked Joined: Posts: 1,362
    All these list of excuses. Po knows he can take a weekend to come down here. And you damn well know aint beating no one @po pimpus . You can barely beat phantom.

    @LordWilliam1234 dont waste your money on po goin to evo. How bout u donate to @rayne to come down here. Id love to spar with him.
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  • MarcOfTheBeastMarcOfTheBeast Joined: Posts: 244

    @Mood4food77 look here at least I can be gracious in defeat. I can't say that about you. In fact, you lost all credibility with me when it comes to Smash. I don't know if you thought losing to me Dre will look down on you or something. Man, you guys are weird

  • Red Rick DiasRed Rick Dias The republica-- I mean, Titans, must be stopped! Joined: Posts: 3,336
    There are, however, things called schedules, days off, and paid leave.

    Really? The job I'm in offers nowhere near enough of these to make up for the injuries and illnesses that are mounting within me. I'd love to have a job that provides sufficient amounts of these things to make up for the ongoing damage. You're lucky to have something like that...
  • Phantom AngelPhantom Angel The Divine One™ Joined: Posts: 27,210
    Why am I being dragged into all this mess? Lol... I don't play this game.
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  • Mood4food77Mood4food77 Joined: Posts: 9,583
    Okay. Here's how it went down

    I went to Xeno with dre one day cause whatever.

    I did 2 tournament matches and was 1-1 at that point so i had down time between that and my next set so i find dre playing marc (introduced afterwards and whatever). He's like, here mood play Marc. So i sit down and play. First match is clean 2 stock my favor. Next match is practically a 2 stock (i had ~50% 2 stocks and he had ~80% with 1 stock left), used roy both matches. my next match got called so i quit and went off. Lost that set so i kinda just chilled for about an hour while he played. I get back on and then we go about. i won a few in a row and then he won a few in a row and it went back and forth for a while as i switched between roy and Bowser (He's swapped between a few characters as well). I dont think there was any significant advantage between us, he might have won a few more but it's friendlies so whatever. I didnt think any of these matches were serious, i kinda did stupid stuff and whatnot and i was cooled off from my tournament matches.

    So there. No one cared but that's the story
  • MarcOfTheBeastMarcOfTheBeast Joined: Posts: 244
    @Red Rick Dias let me guess the type of work that you do. Okay, your probably not supported by a union. Are you a vendor? Maybe you work in fast food?
  • Red Rick DiasRed Rick Dias The republica-- I mean, Titans, must be stopped! Joined: Posts: 3,336
    Very close, Marc. Service industry, yes. Retail. Retail where we have a very curious interpretation of the law and priorities. I got reprimanded for reporting (internally, not going to law enforcement like I probably should have) that we have an alarming tendency to leave the gun cabinet unlocked and open and UNATTENDED. Apparently preventing gun accidents is bad because...???

    Also being on that concrete for so long with no seat kind of wrecks my legs and feet no matter how much effort I put into supporting them. I also get reprimanded for taking breaks. Like, at all. They also keep trying to load me up with more and more working hours regardless of my college studies, on the spoken understanding that "You're really smart, you don't need that much time to study..." - Yes I fucking do, when I'm taking higher math, software coding, and two science labs all in one semester. Management, of note, has never gone to college so they wouldn't fucking know in the first place.

    I'm in the deep rural south. We piss on ideas like 'ethical work arrangements' and 'laws.' Then we're stupid enough to vote for a man who is going to put even more power in corporate leadership to fuck over the common worker. No union, just as you say.

    I already had my doubts about the most hardcore aspects of the republican, conservative, and libertarian philosophies prior to all this; the idea that everyone in society was 'lazy' and 'deserved poverty' never sat well with me as it was such a dim view of far too much of the population. Now I've had a massive shift in political and social alignment; I completely reject those factions and very much look forward to the day the people responsible for this die of old age or otherwise meet some kind of justice.
  • DavidstarDavidstar KILLA KUEEN! Joined: Posts: 5,050
    dre37k wrote: »
    Also I'm down for the league.

    I'm gonna get a wired connection soon

    Game has been out for how long now?
    See me in a fighting game, bruh lol. Fuck Smash.

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  • Colonel-GilgameshColonel-Gilgamesh Akuma Matata Joined: Posts: 9,093
    Something to think about

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  • po pimpuspo pimpus Let's Hit the Climax! Joined: Posts: 25,220
    To anyone that thinks Zelda is ass in this game, I suggest you check out Nairo's stream sometime. He uses her a lot and really shows off what she's capable of in the right hands.

    Also Mr. R spotted using Bayo at MSM earlier... But top tier ho riders don't exist açcording to some of y'all...
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  • Rayne_Rayne_ Joined: Posts: 499
    po pimpus wrote: »
    To anyone that thinks Zelda is ass in this game, I suggest you check out Nairo's stream sometime. He uses her a lot and really shows off what she's capable of in the right hands.

    Also Mr. R spotted using Bayo at MSM earlier... But top tier ho riders don't exist açcording to some of y'all...

    I still think Zelda is ass.

    I want to rant so badly about your stupid ass hatred for people who "play to win" but I know you won't listen, so I won't bother.
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    po pimpus wrote: »
    To anyone that thinks Zelda is ass in this game, I suggest you check out Nairo's stream sometime. He uses her a lot and really shows off what she's capable of in the right hands.

    Busting out a character for fun on a stream is not the same as getting results with them in a tournament.
    Also Mr. R spotted using Bayo at MSM earlier... But top tier ho riders don't exist açcording to some of y'all...

    Oh, they do exist; I mentioned as much when tons of people abandoned ship on diddy, sheik, and sonic when they took nerfs (Which is hilarious since they're all still very good characters). It's just that NOT EVERY SINGLE FUCKING PLAYER ON THE FUCKING PLANET IS ONE, CONTRARY TO YOUR STUPID-ASS BELIEF. Stop seeing yourself as the 'lone sane man', you're fucking not. If you were, Smash would sell all of 10% of what it does. Its primary appeal to most game-buyers is a love of the characters and gaming history involved.

  • LordWilliam1234LordWilliam1234 Permanent Character Crisis Joined: Posts: 21,462
    Rayne_ wrote: »
    po pimpus wrote: »
    To anyone that thinks Zelda is ass in this game, I suggest you check out Nairo's stream sometime. He uses her a lot and really shows off what she's capable of in the right hands.

    Also Mr. R spotted using Bayo at MSM earlier... But top tier ho riders don't exist açcording to some of y'all...

    I still think Zelda is ass.

    I want to rant so badly about your stupid ass hatred for people who "play to win" but I know you won't listen, so I won't bother.

    It took you how many years to realize how futile an attempt that is? :rofl:
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  • Rayne_Rayne_ Joined: Posts: 499
    Nah I'm just tired of it. Don't have the patience anymore.
  • po pimpuspo pimpus Let's Hit the Climax! Joined: Posts: 25,220
    edited April 4
    Look, I do not understand "play to win, no matter what" when it comes to video games... A professional sport, a business, education... yeah, do whatever it takes to get ahead and succeed.

    VGs? Lol no. No one except League and Starcraft players make anywhere near enough to justify all that heartless ruthlessness.

    Picking Cloud because your Yoshi got bopped doesn't make you Michael Jordan(know who he is yet, LW?)... It makes you the lame that had to shoot steroids into your butt to keep up.

    Maybe it's because I can't play that way... I tried going Sheik back in Melee, and yeah I did better, but I hated myself for it because I wasn't having fun.
    Same reason I get extremely pissed and disgusted whenever I pick Cloud and ROFL-stomp some laggy FG kid when my MM was struggling to put them down.

    Simply winning isn't enjoyable enough for me. I need to win with my characters. So fuck Sirlin, I'll put as much emotional value into my choice of colored pixels as I want, because that is where my fun is had- In beating all the dickriders that are just here because ZeRo said that Cloud is great.

    Fuck them, and the Buster Sword Ho-train they rode in on.
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  • Colonel-GilgameshColonel-Gilgamesh Akuma Matata Joined: Posts: 9,093
    edited April 4
    It's funny because Cloud STILL hasn't won a major event solo
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  • po pimpuspo pimpus Let's Hit the Climax! Joined: Posts: 25,220
    It's funny because Cloud STILL hasn't won a major event solo

    Neither has Bayo... :coffee:
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  • LordWilliam1234LordWilliam1234 Permanent Character Crisis Joined: Posts: 21,462
    po pimpus wrote: »
    snip

    Heartless ruthlessness? Lol no. It's a tournament, you go there to try and win it, so you pick whoever gives you the best chance of doing that. Sometimes it's because it's a top tier, other times it's because that character fits you perfectly. Other times it's both because they're top tier and they fit me well/I like their character, as is the case with Fox 'n Cloud.

    It's preference at that point and neither side is wrong in their decision of who they use.

    Quit being a scrub and accept that others pick characters for different reasons.
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  • Colonel-GilgameshColonel-Gilgamesh Akuma Matata Joined: Posts: 9,093
    edited April 4
    po pimpus wrote: »
    It's funny because Cloud STILL hasn't won a major event solo

    Neither has Bayo... :coffee:

    Do you count Collision XIV?
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  • po pimpuspo pimpus Let's Hit the Climax! Joined: Posts: 25,220
    po pimpus wrote: »
    It's funny because Cloud STILL hasn't won a major event solo

    Neither has Bayo... :coffee:

    Do you count Collision XIV?

    Nope.
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  • Smashbro29Smashbro29 Waiting for the new Framemeister... Joined: Posts: 7,192
    edited April 4
    See me in a fighting game, bruh lol. Fuck Smash.
    po pimpus wrote: »
    Daily reminder that Smashbros is a bitch, always was a bitch, and will continue to always be a bitch.

    Bitch.

    I can count the number of people using Cloud because they love him on one hand... Scratch that, two fingers.

    I already told you idiots I don't like owing people. A "free" trip to go whoop someone's ass that loses to Ryu all the time because he blocks with his face is definitely not the kind of shit I wanna be indebted to anyone over.

    Only thing I'm bad at in Smash is dick riding top tiers just because they're​ top tier.

    FUCK CLOUD.

    Daily reminder this bitch wouldn't duck a local challenge someone else paid for. You wanna pay for me to come out to you and play a video game? I'm in.

    Daily reminder that "free" means you don't owe anyone anything. They gave you a win-win situation free trip where you win money vs Dre or free trip where you just get a free trip.

    So yes, daily reminder that Po is all talk, he's the LTG of SRK Smash. Now I might be that pissy 3S fan of SRK Smash but at least I'm not LTG.

    Your move bitchboy.

    Edit: You know, you couldn't be the LTG, at least LTG went to a local and accepted the challenge. You're the po pimpus which is infinitely worse.
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    Been a while since Lythero put out one of these. Good times

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    Just call this thread "the po thread"
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  • UnSaxon51UnSaxon51 GET KIDNAPPED AGAIN Joined: Posts: 4,060
    Grandstanding for Glory

    Aw. You got me all excited. That's the one from a month ago.
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    Smashbro29 wrote: »
    See me in a fighting game, bruh lol. Fuck Smash.
    po pimpus wrote: »
    Daily reminder that Smashbros is a bitch, always was a bitch, and will continue to always be a bitch.

    Bitch.

    I can count the number of people using Cloud because they love him on one hand... Scratch that, two fingers.

    I already told you idiots I don't like owing people. A "free" trip to go whoop someone's ass that loses to Ryu all the time because he blocks with his face is definitely not the kind of shit I wanna be indebted to anyone over.

    Only thing I'm bad at in Smash is dick riding top tiers just because they're​ top tier.

    FUCK CLOUD.

    Daily reminder this bitch wouldn't duck a local challenge someone else paid for. You wanna pay for me to come out to you and play a video game? I'm in.

    Daily reminder that "free" means you don't owe anyone anything. They gave you a win-win situation free trip where you win money vs Dre or free trip where you just get a free trip.

    So yes, daily reminder that Po is all talk, he's the LTG of SRK Smash. Now I might be that pissy 3S fan of SRK Smash but at least I'm not LTG.

    Your move bitchboy.

    Edit: You know, you couldn't be the LTG, at least LTG went to a local and accepted the challenge. You're the po pimpus which is infinitely worse.

    LMAO
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  • po pimpuspo pimpus Let's Hit the Climax! Joined: Posts: 25,220
    dre37k wrote: »
    Smashbro29 wrote: »
    See me in a fighting game, bruh lol. Fuck Smash.
    po pimpus wrote: »
    Daily reminder that Smashbros is a bitch, always was a bitch, and will continue to always be a bitch.

    Bitch.

    I can count the number of people using Cloud because they love him on one hand... Scratch that, two fingers.

    I already told you idiots I don't like owing people. A "free" trip to go whoop someone's ass that loses to Ryu all the time because he blocks with his face is definitely not the kind of shit I wanna be indebted to anyone over.

    Only thing I'm bad at in Smash is dick riding top tiers just because they're​ top tier.

    FUCK CLOUD.

    Daily reminder this bitch wouldn't duck a local challenge someone else paid for. You wanna pay for me to come out to you and play a video game? I'm in.

    Daily reminder that "free" means you don't owe anyone anything. They gave you a win-win situation free trip where you win money vs Dre or free trip where you just get a free trip.

    So yes, daily reminder that Po is all talk, he's the LTG of SRK Smash. Now I might be that pissy 3S fan of SRK Smash but at least I'm not LTG.

    Your move bitchboy.

    Edit: You know, you couldn't be the LTG, at least LTG went to a local and accepted the challenge. You're the po pimpus which is infinitely worse.

    LMAO

    Go learn how to fight Ryu.
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  • dre37kdre37k Don't get Cooked Joined: Posts: 1,362
    po pimpus wrote: »
    dre37k wrote: »
    Smashbro29 wrote: »
    See me in a fighting game, bruh lol. Fuck Smash.
    po pimpus wrote: »
    Daily reminder that Smashbros is a bitch, always was a bitch, and will continue to always be a bitch.

    Bitch.

    I can count the number of people using Cloud because they love him on one hand... Scratch that, two fingers.

    I already told you idiots I don't like owing people. A "free" trip to go whoop someone's ass that loses to Ryu all the time because he blocks with his face is definitely not the kind of shit I wanna be indebted to anyone over.

    Only thing I'm bad at in Smash is dick riding top tiers just because they're​ top tier.

    FUCK CLOUD.

    Daily reminder this bitch wouldn't duck a local challenge someone else paid for. You wanna pay for me to come out to you and play a video game? I'm in.

    Daily reminder that "free" means you don't owe anyone anything. They gave you a win-win situation free trip where you win money vs Dre or free trip where you just get a free trip.

    So yes, daily reminder that Po is all talk, he's the LTG of SRK Smash. Now I might be that pissy 3S fan of SRK Smash but at least I'm not LTG.

    Your move bitchboy.

    Edit: You know, you couldn't be the LTG, at least LTG went to a local and accepted the challenge. You're the po pimpus which is infinitely worse.

    LMAO

    Go learn how to fight Ryu.

    The thing is I probably know how to fight ryu 10 times more than you do. I lose to the best player in my region currently. He jus happens to main ryu. Youd never beat him. Shoot youd probably get bodied by my ryu.

    But dont respond to me, respond to @Smashbro29 , you know ur ducking me bro. We offered you a free trip to NEW YORK. The best tour spot in the country for FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEE and you still proving to be all talk. Your pathetic lol
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    Po doesn't need to learn the Ryu matchup; Ryus need to learn the Mega Man matchup
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    dre37k wrote: »
    We offered you a free trip to NEW YORK. The best tour spot in the country for FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

    Debatable.
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    dre37k wrote: »
    We offered you a free trip to NEW YORK. The best tour spot in the country

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  • po pimpuspo pimpus Let's Hit the Climax! Joined: Posts: 25,220
    edited April 4
    New York is a shit city inhabited by shit people, and I'm sad my best friend has to deal with your shit.

    I already explained my reasons for not taking anyone's charity, take it or leave it, but I don't like feeling I owe someone, especially for something as trivial as this.

    I don't care who you've beaten, they certainly aren't on ZeRo or Nairo's level, and even if they were, I still wouldn't care.

    I don't give a shit about names or past accomplishments- I'm Po motherfuckin' Pimpus- Should our paths ever cross again, I'll make sure, win or lose, that you put some respect on my name.

    And that goes for any of the rest of you mofos that don't play this game, that wanna pop off like you're some "top" player... I still do, and you'd do well to remember that.

    So put together your little psych profiles, tell me I'm being scrubby when I'm the only one still trying to put in work whenever I can, while you theory-craft like there's a Koffing logo at the top of this forum, but I know I can take every single one of you on a good day, and most of you on an off one.

    Sit down, LW, cuz I'll murk you too...

    Fight me.
    "Capcom should listen to their fans... Mega Man is a cool character." -2048 President Elect Kevin at Age 10
  • Colonel-GilgameshColonel-Gilgamesh Akuma Matata Joined: Posts: 9,093
    po pimpus wrote: »
    I'll make sure, win or lose, that you put some respect on my name.

    And then you'll open your mouth and any respect evaporates into space
    NNID: a2handedmonk
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