The Wrestling Thread: With a side of Jojo - Great Balls of Fire - 7/9

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  • HawkingbirdHawkingbird I am thou...thou art I Joined: Posts: 24,986
    Nakamura seems so toned down though, which annoys me. If anyone has seen his feud with Hirooki Goto over the IC you'll know he can put on a variety of good matches with strong storytelling.

    Nakamura strikes me as the kind of guy that will phone it in unless he's on the top of the card.
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    He phoned it in with roode. But he was working a roode boring match and not the style he works.

    I honestly think the matches with Cena, Orton, Reigns, Rollins, and especially ambrose will be excellent

    Ambrose and Nakamura seem like kindred spirits
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    Pertho wrote: »
    As the commisioner of GD, I would like to formaly announce that Kinniku Buster is now in a tag team with hornswoggle and they have Eva Marie as their manager so she can cut all their promos.

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    Actually having eva marie as a valet would give him heel heat like white heat

    They should have Eva manage Roman Reigns
  • PsychobluePsychoblue the Conductor of the Hype Train Joined: Posts: 2,290
    edited April 6
    They had Nakamura go full steam and he caved Austin Aries' face in.

    Haha, does it count when it's unintentional? I was more meaning that a lot of his NXT matches have seemed quite similar in structure. I've still enjoyed them but he should have been having classic matches with Samoa Joe and it never quite reached that level.
    I actually like Nakamura's first match with Roode better than his matches with Joe or even Zayn, because it was the kind of opponent Nakamura had never faced before. To me, that match showed that Nakamura was ready for the Sports Entertainment way of doing things which is ultimately what is going to make him do well in WWE. I feel the same way about Owens/Steen and Zayn/Generico: they were stellar workers on the Indies, but when they came to WWE they unveiled a side of themselves they hadn't shown before (well, Generico way more so than Steen. "My name is Kevin Steen...AND FUCK RING OF HONOR!"). Generico was never known for his promos but Sami Zayn quickly established himself as one of the best promos in all of NXT during his stay there.



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    edited April 6

    Dragon Gate been fire since the build up to tozawa's farewell

    The saddest part of noah getting swooped was the death of noah vs njpw, specifically Nakajima/Shibata

    Nakajima is an awesome ace, but i think he would be better served in new japan. Especially with how basically kensuke adopted him. NJPW loves legacy wrestlers.

    I want Nakajima to sign with new japan and have a run there.

    It is similar to how i feel about Lashley in tna.

    Hey we could get Lashley/Nakajima

    Or even Nakajima/Johnny Mundo

    I'm torn on NJPW vs Noah not working out. The buildup was awesome and I really thought Shibata would be fighting Nakajima or Shiozaki at the dome. When Shibata turned up on Noah and just beat Shiozaki clean I was just confused at the booking but I guess it makes sense now. The NJPW/Noah relationship ending allowed Noah to finally eject Suzuki-Gun and leave the booking hell they were trapped in. Sugiura turning face was a tremendously popular decision, Nakajima is a great champion, Kotoge moving to Heavyweight was super hot and the TNA talent they're borrowing are working well for them.

    Nakajima and Marufuji should both jump ship, they would do really well in NJPW. Tbh, even though I said Noah is on the up they'd probs be better off in AJPW or DDT as well. Nakajima wouldn't go to All Japan though, him and Kento Miyahara hate each other's guts.

    I also think the legacy wrestler with the most potential long term right now is Daichi Hashimoto. Great fire and very competent in-ring with lots of charisma. He's currently paying his dues in Big Japan Wrestling atm but a few years down the line and he could be massive.
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    edited April 6
    People are sleeping on big japan because they think it is death match

    No the big strong title is dope. Daisuke Sekimoto vs Ishii needs to happen. Sekimoto for the g-1

    But as far as tiers:

    Njpw>ddt>dragon gate>>big japan>>>noah>>>>all japan

    DDT is very successful because they play to their niche and to the main stream. They have a lot of tv presence and bring in entertainers.

    Dragon Gate plays directly to the gays and women

    New Japan is wwe. It works pretty well.

    I have fell off on lucha, but cmll is pretty good again. While aaa is way too washed with old dudes.

    I really do not want fenix and pentagon in tna with the crash connection.

    Fuck that. Lucha Underground fell off for me when sexy star won the belt before pentagon

    Hashimoto is being watched over by Chono telling him where to work and learn.

    When dude gets signed by njpw he will be big thanks to being second gen. He has grown more from just doing his dad redux.

    It's sort of the Dusty to Dustin kind of thing.

    Nakajima needs to be the dude who retires Nagata
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    edited April 6
    All Japan is bigger than Noah right now dude. Since crowning Kento as champ they've been doing really well for themselves. At this point he's gone over a year as champ and looks set to be a top ace throughout Japan. Their Champion Carnival tournament is about to start and the lineup is ridiculously good. Sekimoto, Shuji Ishikawa, Suwama, Kento, Zeus etc will all put on great matches and every day of the tournament will make tape this year.

    They also have a superior junior division to Noah with young lads and veterans having consistently great matches. The recent push Koji Iwamoto got was amazing and shows how much faith they have in the next generation.

    BJW's Strong Division is awesome. Love Sekimoto, Okabayashi, Ishikawa and Hideki Suzuki. Great rookies in the division too! I'm partial to the deathmatch stuff too as I'm a big fan of Isami Kodaka and Yuko Miyamoto.

    If anyone likes deathmatch/hardcore stuff definitely check out the semi-final from DDT Judgement, Daisuke Sasaki challenging Jun Kasai for the Extreme Championship. One of the craziest spotfests I've ever seen. Kasai breaks his nose on a diving headbutt into a ladder halfway through the match and carries on like it's nothing. Worth noting that Kasai is one of the most ruined wrestlers I've ever seen with hideous scars all over but still manages to be very popular with the ladies. He also had the best name for a finisher ever (Pearl Harbour Splash). Sasaki is probably the most versatile wrestler on their roster having learned from Dick Togo who I've become a big fan of over time. Very creative match.
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    dab00g wrote: »
    Actually having eva marie as a valet would give him heel heat like white heat

    They should have Eva manage Roman Reigns

    Eva is steadily being dialed back from any sort of acknowledgement in the WWE right now, which would suggest she's getting cut later this year.
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  • PsychobluePsychoblue the Conductor of the Hype Train Joined: Posts: 2,290
    edited April 7

    If anyone likes deathmatch/hardcore stuff definitely check out the semi-final from DDT Judgement, Daisuke Sasaki challenging Jun Kasai for the Extreme Championship. One of the craziest spotfests I've ever seen. Kasai breaks his nose on a diving headbutt into a ladder halfway through the match and carries on like it's nothing. Worth noting that Kasai is one of the most ruined wrestlers I've ever seen with hideous scars all over but still manages to be very popular with the ladies. He also had the best name for a finisher ever (Pearl Harbour Splash). Sasaki is probably the most versatile wrestler on their roster having learned from Dick Togo who I've become a big fan of over time. Very creative match.
    Jun Kasai has problems in the head to go through the shit that he does for minor league pay. At least guys like Drake Younger and Dean Ambrose now make major league money at the end of the wild nonsense they endured in CZW, but people like Kasai and Abdullah Kobayashi have been Indy nutters for many years now and they feel no closer to getting their big (positive) break than they were when they first rose to prominence. It's particularly sad on Kasai's part because he's an excellent technical wrestler and could probably make a decent living wrestling "normal" matches.


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    Kobayashi has become an Okada tribute wrestler
  • PerthoPertho The Runed One Joined: Posts: 21,610 mod
    d3v wrote: »
    Pertho wrote: »
    As the commisioner of GD, I would like to formaly announce that Kinniku Buster is now in a tag team with hornswoggle and they have Eva Marie as their manager so she can cut all their promos.

    #BestBeleiveInFutureEndevoursBecauseYoureInOne

    Since I future endeavoured the other thread, what does that make me?

    Eh....what?!
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    jimmy1200 wrote: »
    pertho attacked me first, saying i get all my life tips from 106th and park.
  • TheWholeFnShowTheWholeFnShow Been here too long. Joined: Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    edited April 7
    Man, these talks about Japanese death matches reminds me of the mid/late 90s when my friends traded tapes. I still have a death match compilation VHS somewhere. It was mostly FMW stuff with Onita, Mr. Pogo, Hayabusa, Mike Awesome, etc. Some of that was pretty brutal.
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    AJ Lee and Justin Roberts both released their books. Anyone read their books? I know Roberts book calls out JBL and Benoit for all the bullying they did.
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    Benoit by all accounts was a sadistic masochist who enjoyed watching people get wrecked

    Hell bob holly thought he would go too far, and bob admits to being a bastard
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    edited April 8
    Korbidon wrote: »
    I'll be in Japan in May. I'm going to go to the best of the Super Juniors. Just need to pick a day.
    Whatever day has the obligatory Ospreay vs Riccochet rematch is probably a good bet.
    Man, these talks about Japanese death matches reminds me of the mid/late 90s when my friends traded tapes. I still have a death match compilation VHS somewhere. It was mostly FMW stuff with Onita, Mr. Pogo, Hayabusa, Mike Awesome, etc. Some of that was pretty brutal.
    Awesome/Gladiator vs Tanaka matches are the greatest car-crashes, they were a real special attraction matchup. How Tanaka is still wrestling to this day with the bumps he took is absolutely bonkers.
    Not too familiar with Mr. Pogo unfortunately but Talking about Onita might as well post him and Chono having two of the greatest back to back entrances ever at the Tokyo dome.

    As for Hayabusa god damn he was the shit. The dude was doing the modern high flying style you see today over a decade before other wrestlers. Plus his name, theme and look were fucking awesome.

    In other news bunch of shit going down in the JBL/Mauro situation, seems like Mauro's done with WWE and there's a shitstorm brewing around JBL, with past and recent accusations coming up against him. if it blows up in news/media enough they could very well have another Demott situation.
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    Korbidon wrote: »
    I'll be in Japan in May. I'm going to go to the best of the Super Juniors. Just need to pick a day.

    Dragon Lee/Kushida if that match happens watch it

    KUSHIDA came up in lucha, dragon lee is also the next big wwe signing
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    I don't think Jun Kasai is looking to "make it" in wrestling. Dude is already super popular and can work pretty much anyone and high up the card. He was in the semi at Judgement and that's one of DDT's big 3 events. These deathmatch guys are mostly all older and just appear to enjoy whatever it is they get out of it. Isami Kodaka is a fine singles wrestler in the traditional sense and has main evented DDT PPVs in normal matches and still goes back to BJW to get superplexed off ladders onto piles of broken glass and steel chairs.

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    Mauro will either get scooped up by NJPW for English broadcast or UFC. Possibly both honestly.
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    I'm kinda disappointed that Mauro is gone from WWE so soon, but he was never going to move past the Smackdown desk because of political reasons. Curious if JBL is actually going to be fired for doing what he thought he was supposed to be doing (I'm not saying what he did is okay, but it's ingrained as part of the culture at this point), and if so, would WWE settle for a Tom Phillips/David Otunga team? (assuming Tom himself stays out of further trouble)
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    JBL is safe for now, Vince loves him.
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    Interesting that Johnathan Coachman said he will no longer be involved in anymore WWE related content on ESPN..........
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    Mauro was going to replace cole

    And honestly mauro with his bipolar disorder should have avoided wwe

    UFC will probably scoop him up along with njpw and itv

    Tom is a good pbp

    But now they got nobody to replace cole who wants to retire
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    So, JBL thought it was John O'Clock, again, and ran Mauro out of WWE, forcing Coke to stay on and put more pressure on Phillips. It's times like this that make me miss Todd Grisham on pbp. Too bad he's with the UFC and Ranallo will probably follow suit...

    I bet Vince misses Coachman right now...
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    Interesting that Johnathan Coachman said he will no longer be involved in anymore WWE related content on ESPN..........

    any reason why?
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    Mauro was always going to be too good for that company.
    JBL has always been an ass and Vince encourages it.

    If he is gone, I'm sure he'll land on his feet in no time and maybe he can return after they clean up that company a little.
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    I'm gonna guess what happened to Mauro really bothered Coach. Wasn't JBL's asshattery a contributing factor to him leaving WWE as well?
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    I do wonder how WWE will deal with all this negative press.
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    jae hoon wrote: »
    I do wonder how WWE will deal with all this negative press.
    Well it's not like they're any strangers to THAT in the past ten years.

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    po pimpus wrote: »
    I'm gonna guess what happened to Mauro really bothered Coach. Wasn't JBL's asshattery a contributing factor to him leaving WWE as well?

    He left WWE because he managed to land a job at ESPN. No one drove him off.
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    Wasn't Mauro on WrestleMania? What did JBL do? A Blue Meanie thing?

    Why not have Vince replace Cole once more. Loved the Jerry/Vince, Jerry/JR, and the Jerry/JR/Vince show.
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    The Hulu version of Raw was heavily edited, a lot of the boos and chants were edited out for Roman but you know they totally don't want him as a face.
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    The Hulu versions of Raw tend to be more watchable since they cut the show down to 90 minutes. Eliminates all the filler.
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    Jion_Wansu wrote: »
    Wasn't Mauro on WrestleMania? What did JBL do? A Blue Meanie thing?

    Why not have Vince replace Cole once more. Loved the Jerry/Vince, Jerry/JR, and the Jerry/JR/Vince show.

    Vince likely doesn't travel that much anymore and instead spends more time in their corporate HQ.
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    d3v wrote: »
    Jion_Wansu wrote: »
    Wasn't Mauro on WrestleMania? What did JBL do? A Blue Meanie thing?

    Why not have Vince replace Cole once more. Loved the Jerry/Vince, Jerry/JR, and the Jerry/JR/Vince show.

    Vince likely doesn't travel that much anymore and instead spends more time in their corporate HQ.
    Honestly wouldn't be suprised to hear he still travels with the company a lot, the dude is an absolute madman in the best/worst ways and that includes how much he works.
    Even when he doesn't travel with the company you bet your ass he's going to attend every meeting via call and be the one to give every decision the all clear to go.
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    edited April 9
    Vince is at raw, but video conferences into smackdown while road dogg and triple h run the whole show

    Road Dogg is lead booker for sd and runs takeovers

    I watch all of sd and ff through raw
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    WHAT THE FUCK THAT JR HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH?!?
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