The SSJ5 General Thread: E3 happening but Ono doesn't Spirit Bomb

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  • TWINBLADESTWINBLADES OFFICIALLY THE WORST PLAYER ON SRK LEAGUE: BRONZE LP: 200 Joined: Posts: 9,802
    edited April 18
    They didn't say the 3s costumes were coming with Bison's stage, right? Still MIA?

    Still MIA

    Put your lighters up for Alex mains.
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  • Killer_JigglypuffKiller_Jigglypuff Trying really hard Joined: Posts: 7,831
    I miss different neutral jump and forward/back jumping buttons. No more godlike shit like the Sakura Heisman or Makoto nj.mp makes me sad.
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  • QuarkQuark Joined: Posts: 4,077
    edited April 18
    I miss different neutral jump and forward/back jumping buttons. No more godlike shit like the Sakura Heisman or Makoto nj.mp makes me sad.

    a few characters still have unique neutral jump attacks. nash and chun off the top of my head.
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  • LordWilliam1234LordWilliam1234 Permanent Character Crisis Joined: Posts: 22,173
    Quark wrote: »
    I miss different neutral jump and forward/back jumping buttons. No more godlike shit like the Sakura Heisman or Makoto nj.mp makes me sad.

    a few characters still have unique neutral jump attacks. nash and chun off the top of my head.

    Only Nash and Chun, and only their j.hks.
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  • Doctrine DarkDoctrine Dark Yum Yum Joined: Posts: 7,349
    I miss close normals.
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  • EdmundEdmund Cammy <3 Joined: Posts: 764

    The Fuck is Capcom doing writing a blog post on usf 2 instead of telling us the exact date when the April patch is coming and a trailer of the new dlc.
  • ZenisideZeniside Joined: Posts: 2,996
    It depends. I really did not like Seth proximity buttons for st.lp(easy to make this thing whiff during combos on short characters) and st.fp (it was a great AA and combo button, but if you were a pixel off you sometimes got fucking -13 stretch arms) otherwise the rest were fine.
  • CriminalUpperCriminalUpper =D Joined: Posts: 3,028
    ukyo_rulz wrote: »
    Edmund wrote: »
    It just isn't very rewarding. I am a tekken player and tekken's just frames are a whole different story. They are very rewarding and the powered up just frame moves look nice.

    It's subjective, I think. Everyone I know who plays Mishimas can EWGF consistently, effectively making the move's just-frame properties a non-factor. I haven't made an in-game decision that was affected by the possibility of my opponent missing an EWGF since TT1. I feel that just-frames now exist solely to discourage newbies from taking Tekken seriously. Some years ago I took the time to learn JFSR, but didn't really feel rewarded. It was basically like Dizzy's FRC Spike. Frustrating before I learned it, boring after I figured it out.

    There are so many different types of EWGFs with varying difficulty though. I can execute EWGF consistently, but getting me to execute every kind I need in a match is a different level altogether.

    I personally think those execution barriers that give you access to flashier move variations can draw players towards the game. I know of many players that got into the game based on EWGF alone. My cousin doesn't play fighters seriously, but I watched him spend a whole weekend learning EWGF and only ever plays Tekken nowadays to use Mishimas.
  • VhoziteVhozite Free Meek Mill Joined: Posts: 3,548
    edited April 18
    TWINBLADES wrote: »
    I wonder if people are blinded by their rage over the "lack" of OS and 1f links to see that there's plenty to learn?

    Maybe it's because I'm new but I don't see how this game lacks any sort of reward.


    Unless you mean grinding out 1f links to some unoptimimal combo because muh style.


    I just wanna play the fucking game and win lol


    Are you memeing or being unintentionally dense?
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    Was going to make an account to say how fucking stupid that was...but the registration page wouldn't load right so nvm
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  • Killer_JigglypuffKiller_Jigglypuff Trying really hard Joined: Posts: 7,831
    People are gonna play USF2 cause its the first version of the game with a real online leaderboard to my knowledge. The HD Remix one was wack as hell.
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  • OceanMachineOceanMachine ROCKET LAUNCHER GOD Joined: Posts: 9,912
    People are gonna play USF2 cause its the first version of the game with a real online leaderboard to my knowledge. The HD Remix one was wack as hell.

    Then again, it's also the first version that is 100% wifi
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    I miss close normals.

    If Ryu can't do Axe Kick in neutral then the game is whack, yo.
  • YorKeYYorKeY Suffer like G did... Joined: Posts: 7,487
    eh the first two SFV general threads were fun, the one that just happened I barely had any part of, can't say I was connected to it at all.

    The first ever USF4 general lounge was fucking fun though!
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  • LordWilliam1234LordWilliam1234 Permanent Character Crisis Joined: Posts: 22,173
    @DevilJin 01 Do you think Ibuki would be a decent secondary for Cammy? Thinking of giving her another shot...

    How do you think she fares against Zangief?
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  • Killer_JigglypuffKiller_Jigglypuff Trying really hard Joined: Posts: 7,831
    The AE2012 Tier List thread was the best times I've had on this site. Somehow I became a trusted source for Makoto matchup knowledge, don't ask me how that happened.
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    @DevilJin 01 Do you think Ibuki would be a decent replacement for Cammy? Thinking of giving her another shot...

    Fixed.
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  • DevilJin 01DevilJin 01 Get some shill in yo system Joined: Posts: 57,376 mod
    edited April 18
    @DevilJin 01 Do you think Ibuki would be a decent secondary for Cammy? Thinking of giving her another shot...

    How do you think she fares against Zangief?

    Ibuki would be a decent secondary for Cammy if you want to have a little bit easier of a time vs Season 2.1 Guile. Her setplay will be better for getting in and staying in on Guile than Cammy who has good anti projectile tools, but can't stick to people on a correct decision as well as Ibuki.

    Other than that I don't think there's any strategic reason to use Ibuki along with Cammy. Cammy does well enough vs Gief and Ibuki doesn't really do anything better vs Gief than Cammy other than be able to pressure him better on a knockdown. Neutrally I feel Cammy is a better pick vs Gief and you won't need to play the close game as often vs him when he's sitting on super. There's probably some extra target strings to learn to blow up his armor and such, but generally it just seems safer to play Cammy vs Gief than Ibuki.




    That's why I like Ibuki and Juri as a good combo since Ibuki covers neutral decently in a good amount of matchups and is very hard to lame out once she gets going. There's just certain matchups where she doesn't get a lot of reward for playing a range game where I would prefer to. Which then Juri covers that in a very interesting way as there's characters like Nash, Birdie, Gief, Sim, Guile etc that Ibuki can just rush down and win, or I can switch to Juri and just play a range game. Basically the idea is to find space to charge level 2 V Skill as so much of what is annoying about those characters is shut down once you charge level 2 V Skill. Level 2 charge is a really really good move that stops a lot of ranged get in and bullying techniques and slows down fireball games. The V Skill gives me a way of commanding how people approach me that I honestly couldn't even do with Season 1 Chun.


    Otherwise like Ocean tried to point to. Either play Ibuki or play Cammy as far as strategy is concerned. Using both would be just out of liking to play as both characters and wouldn't add much strategically.

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  • Doctrine DarkDoctrine Dark Yum Yum Joined: Posts: 7,349
    The AE2012 Tier List thread was the best times I've had on this site. Somehow I became a trusted source for Makoto matchup knowledge, don't ask me how that happened.

    I remember reading the Makoto improvement thread whenever I felt salty. Made me feel better about myself.
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  • LordWilliam1234LordWilliam1234 Permanent Character Crisis Joined: Posts: 22,173
    edited April 18
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    Argh. I wanna try to find a secondary for Cammy but I'm having a hard time choosing. Doesn't really feel like Cammy has any match-ups that warrant using a secondary...but I like playing two characters that complement each other in some way.

    Maybe it could work in a kind of "switch styles on the fly" kind of deal, for more of a vs player rather than vs character...I dunno. At this point I think I should just grind out more matches with Cammy/Juri/Ibuki instead of constantly theory fighting. I'm way, way behind on practice as it is...
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  • NupoChromineNupoChromine Art By: Matthew Griffin Joined: Posts: 4,853
    edited April 18
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    Choose FANG as your secondary.
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  • Nobus3r1Nobus3r1 #RiseUp? Joined: Posts: 5,404
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    Argh. I wanna try to find a secondary for Cammy but I'm having a hard time choosing. Doesn't really feel like Cammy has any match-ups that warrant using a secondary...but I like playing two characters that complement each other in some way.

    Maybe it could work in a kind of "switch styles on the fly" kind of deal, for more of a vs player rather than vs character...I dunno. At this point I think I should just grind out more matches with Cammy/Juri/Ibuki instead of constantly theory fighting. I'm way, way behind on practice as it is...
    In theory the goal of a secondary is (usually) to cover the bad matchups for your primary. Since you're playing a character that doesn't seem to have any aggressively bad matchups to worry about I would suggest that instead you look at a character that just plays differently than Cammy so that a counter-pick with the secondary would be more based on the type of player you've run into. To that end I would suggest you pick between Laura, Mika, Zangief and maybe Rashid.
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  • ukyo_rulzukyo_rulz Joined: Posts: 4,494
    Argh. I wanna try to find a secondary for Cammy but I'm having a hard time choosing.

    Cammy has access to everything in her toolset except a command-grab and a projectile, so you should pick a character that has either one. Maybe Guile would be good because he's so defensive compared to Cammy's rushdown.
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  • LoyalSolLoyalSol Drunken Akuma Joined: Posts: 6,905
    They don't even give explanations. They just assume you know Guile and Rog are good. They know.

    Proof you don't need to know anything about the game to win with Balrog. ;)
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  • QuarkQuark Joined: Posts: 4,077
    LoyalSol wrote: »
    They don't even give explanations. They just assume you know Guile and Rog are good. They know.

    Proof you don't need to know anything about the game to win with Balrog. ;)

    you need to know how to press HP+HK
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  • javertjavert 'sup Joined: Posts: 1,240
    Watching this tournament convinced me that the state of DPs is good as they are now. Never witnessed a situation or overall feeling of "damn this offense is so damn oppressive the characters have no choice but dedicating all their meter just to revert back to neutral". The ones it happened the most where Necalli players who used sparingly, sometimes getting out but other times getting CC's for their troubles. On the other side chances to face a meterless Guile are rare enough no time should be wasted to mount an offensive. Would be a bitch to face a wall like that with an actual DP unless you are Balrog and that cure is as bad as the disease.

    Gonna miss this aspect of the patch. At least HP DPs will be losing to throws so slam dunk loops will still be a thing.
  • BillBill Joined: Posts: 1,265
    This thread brushes over her but it's amazing how good Karin is. Easily top 5 with her incredible normals,strangely high damage, excellent mobility and lack of bad matchups. You really can't do much vs a competent Karin.
  • GamogoGamogo Common sense isn't. Joined: Posts: 2,942
    Quark wrote: »
    you need to know how to press HP+HK

    No you don't.

    You can bind that to a single button.
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    Who else does NRS have to show off? Or is Darkseid the only one left?

    2 official slots left are Darkseid and "unannounced mystery character"(joker)
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    @Evil Canadian

    Who else does NRS have to show off? Or is Darkseid the only one left?

    2 official slots left are Darkseid and "unannounced mystery character"(joker)

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  • TWINBLADESTWINBLADES OFFICIALLY THE WORST PLAYER ON SRK LEAGUE: BRONZE LP: 200 Joined: Posts: 9,802
    YorKeY wrote: »
    eh the first two SFV general threads were fun, the one that just happened I barely had any part of, can't say I was connected to it at all.

    The first ever USF4 general lounge was fucking fun though!

    And yet your ass is gonna be here till page 500 like a good little cuck :giggle:
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