The SSJ5 General Thread: E3 happening but Ono doesn't Spirit Bomb

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  • javertjavert 'sup Joined: Posts: 1,240
    I'd rather put him to rest and have Ra's Al Ghul or Vandal Savage instead.
  • Evil CanadianEvil Canadian T.Hawk is a good guy Joined: Posts: 8,915
    @Evil Canadian

    Who else does NRS have to show off? Or is Darkseid the only one left?

    2 official slots left are Darkseid and "unannounced mystery character"(joker)

    An Injustice without Joker is an injustice in of itself.

    bah nuts to joker, for a while I thought they had the balls to not include him. Its telling enough hes not officially announced and nobody actually seems to care, he was hands down the worst character in the game for the lifespan of inj1 and has no place in the story either to boot unless they really want to abuse the lazarus pit bullshit hard.
  • QuarkQuark Joined: Posts: 4,077
    @Evil Canadian

    Who else does NRS have to show off? Or is Darkseid the only one left?

    2 official slots left are Darkseid and "unannounced mystery character"(joker)

    An Injustice without Joker is an injustice in of itself.

    bah nuts to joker, for a while I thought they had the balls to not include him. Its telling enough hes not officially announced and nobody actually seems to care, he was hands down the worst character in the game for the lifespan of inj1 and has no place in the story either to boot unless they really want to abuse the lazarus pit bullshit hard.

    I may have only played I1 ultra casually but joker was still my guy :(

    if he comes back I might have to choose him over scarecrow
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  • unofficialdocumentunofficialdocument "This is my selfless devotion!" Joined: Posts: 1,872
    @Evil Canadian

    Who else does NRS have to show off? Or is Darkseid the only one left?

    2 official slots left are Darkseid and "unannounced mystery character"(joker)

    An Injustice without Joker is an injustice in of itself.

    bah nuts to joker, for a while I thought they had the balls to not include him. Its telling enough hes not officially announced and nobody actually seems to care, he was hands down the worst character in the game for the lifespan of inj1 and has no place in the story either to boot unless they really want to abuse the lazarus pit bullshit hard.

    But I mained him...

    Pretty much every main I love ends up sucking nuts.
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    https://www.eventhubs.com/news/2017/apr/17/whoever-designed-balrog-street-fighter-5-stupid-bonchan-doesnt-hate-sf5-thinks-it-needs-some-big-improvements/


    read that article title, it's like even pro Japanese players are afraid to say game is ass, come on Bonchan! Fuck the status quo! Keepo

    I bet were gonna go another month without a new character, or even announcement by the end of this month.
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  • Evil CanadianEvil Canadian T.Hawk is a good guy Joined: Posts: 8,915
    edited April 18
    @Evil Canadian

    Who else does NRS have to show off? Or is Darkseid the only one left?

    2 official slots left are Darkseid and "unannounced mystery character"(joker)

    An Injustice without Joker is an injustice in of itself.

    bah nuts to joker, for a while I thought they had the balls to not include him. Its telling enough hes not officially announced and nobody actually seems to care, he was hands down the worst character in the game for the lifespan of inj1 and has no place in the story either to boot unless they really want to abuse the lazarus pit bullshit hard.

    But I mained him...

    Pretty much every main I love ends up sucking nuts.
    Quark wrote: »
    @Evil Canadian

    Who else does NRS have to show off? Or is Darkseid the only one left?

    2 official slots left are Darkseid and "unannounced mystery character"(joker)

    An Injustice without Joker is an injustice in of itself.

    bah nuts to joker, for a while I thought they had the balls to not include him. Its telling enough hes not officially announced and nobody actually seems to care, he was hands down the worst character in the game for the lifespan of inj1 and has no place in the story either to boot unless they really want to abuse the lazarus pit bullshit hard.

    I may have only played I1 ultra casually but joker was still my guy :(

    if he comes back I might have to choose him over scarecrow

    Well I very much expect Joker to be like Wonder Woman in that he's gonna get a full character revamp. Guys like Supes and Batman were already good so they got a bunch of new animations to make older moves look nicer and a few proper new moves and overall shine of polish. Joker was just fucking wretched though no amount of shine to that pile can make it work he just needs a new moveset.
  • HecatomHecatom Aka Black Gorilla (・Д・)ノ Joined: Posts: 23,782
    Pertho wrote: »
    ukyo_rulz wrote: »
    I think EWGF is the worst example of a flashy move variation, because it's a move shared by all the "main" characters of Tekken and they're all balanced around it. It would be like if Ryu had Seismo chains. Namco should have kept the just-frames to the more obscure characters.

    Imagine a world where all the relevant moves a character has are Just Frame. Namco did this; his name is Alpha Patroklos. The character legitimately doesn't really work without any of the 5-6 Just Frames you need to learn.

    I will never run out of bad things to say about Just Frame moves. Everything about them is idiotic since the numbers of times you want the non-JF version of that move is usually around 5% of the time. So you have to create the muscle memory and then every once in a long while remind yourself to fuck up inputting it so you get the thing you need.

    Dumb.

    Seeing how they introduced special bars and EX moves to the series, i still wonder why they keep the fuckery of just frames instead of making those moves Ex moves.
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  • JeromJerom Joined: Posts: 1,148
    Id buy USF2 if it was on pc and was no more than $20 and had decent online. And had crossplay. And wasnt shit
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  • crash_and_burncrash_and_burn We live inside a dream ... Joined: Posts: 3,030
    Jerom wrote: »
    Id buy USF2 if it was on pc and was no more than $20 and had decent online. And had crossplay. And wasnt shit

    Same here, if it was on PS4. Those remixes are almost complete ass, though. And no CPS1 soundtrack? I noticed in the new trailer they don't show if the flames fools burst into from Violent Ken are still orange. Probably because they are. Utter laziness.
  • WindalfrWindalfr Moe is cancer Joined: Posts: 1,855
    anyone want to play some sets?
  • zektbackzektback Joined: Posts: 353
    Are Vreversals becoming useless? I mean they either get thrown or are blocked since everything is almost safe.
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    Froztey wrote: »
    I lost my Civ V game :(
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  • LoyalSolLoyalSol Drunken Akuma Joined: Posts: 6,905
    zektback wrote: »
    Are Vreversals becoming useless? I mean they either get thrown or are blocked since everything is almost safe.

    Or OSed. Top Laura and Gief players have OSes that only come out if you V-Reversal
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  • Za FuuruZa Fuuru Joined: Posts: 204
    V-Reversals are a bit too slow, but they are useful against medium and heavy attacks. You have to know frame data very well, in this game, because many normals are + on block and backdashes are useless.

    They tried to sell the game to casuals, but they failed because without knowing frame data of your opponent you get destroyed in 10 seconds.
  • Evil CanadianEvil Canadian T.Hawk is a good guy Joined: Posts: 8,915
    Froztey wrote: »
    I lost my Civ V game :(

    Well you should play civ 4 or civ 6 as both are completely superior games.

    But if you gotta play civ 5, do something stupid like pick carthage and abuse early harbours or be greece and use hellenic league to break the game over your knee as you own every city state easily and rake in a billion bonuses.
  • ZenisideZeniside Joined: Posts: 2,996
    Za Fuuru wrote: »
    V-Reversals are a bit too slow, but they are useful against medium and heavy attacks. You have to know frame data very well, in this game, because many normals are + on block and backdashes are useless.

    They tried to sell the game to casuals, but they failed because without knowing frame data of your opponent you get destroyed in 10 seconds.

    V-reversals are practically worthless against Cammy's medium attacks. Lets give her a st.mp that has the recovery of a jab and +3 on block and leads to a heavy.
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  • RAW_GutsRAW_Guts Joined: Posts: 852
    When is the Alex trailer!?
  • QuarkQuark Joined: Posts: 4,077
    edited April 18
    Za Fuuru wrote: »
    V-Reversals are a bit too slow, but they are useful against medium and heavy attacks. You have to know frame data very well, in this game, because many normals are + on block and backdashes are useless.

    backdashes are not useless

    unless by "useless" you mean not as good as in sf4
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  • RAW_GutsRAW_Guts Joined: Posts: 852
    Za Fuuru wrote: »
    V-Reversals are a bit too slow, but they are useful against medium and heavy attacks. You have to know frame data very well, in this game, because many normals are + on block and backdashes are useless.

    They tried to sell the game to casuals, but they failed because without knowing frame data of your opponent you get destroyed in 10 seconds.

    We saw a lot of successful backdashes in the top 8 of NCR work out favorably for the defensive end. I would not say they are useless.
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  • MochaLatteMochaLatte Joined: Posts: 1,142
    Windalfr wrote: »
    anyone want to play some sets?

    I'm down


  • HighlandfireballHighlandfireball Are you ready for a war? Joined: Posts: 8,906
    edited April 18
    zektback wrote: »
    Are Vreversals becoming useless? I mean they either get thrown or are blocked since everything is almost safe.

    I think they are still good as attacking tools to keep your position especially if you are near the corner and want to keep them in there. A lot of people still use V-reversal as a "get the fuck off of me" tool when I've noticed a lot of the better players use it more like "no - You're not taking your turn back yet" when a sequence ends but you want to still keep the pressure on. Mago was also V-reversal-ling peoples V-reversal.
    RAW_Guts wrote: »
    Za Fuuru wrote: »
    V-Reversals are a bit too slow, but they are useful against medium and heavy attacks. You have to know frame data very well, in this game, because many normals are + on block and backdashes are useless.

    They tried to sell the game to casuals, but they failed because without knowing frame data of your opponent you get destroyed in 10 seconds.

    We saw a lot of successful backdashes in the top 8 of NCR work out favorably for the defensive end. I would not say they are useless.

    Indeed. Bonchan in particular I noticed was getting air reset a lot on wake up which is much less damaging than taking the full combo, it's like a compromise almost, take a little damage and get out. I spent a lot of time watching how the top players were defending situations at NCR since I think my knock down defence is poor.
  • WindalfrWindalfr Moe is cancer Joined: Posts: 1,855
    MochaLatte wrote: »
    Windalfr wrote: »
    anyone want to play some sets?

    I'm down


    gonna run a quick ft5 with someone else then I'll invite you
  • MochaLatteMochaLatte Joined: Posts: 1,142
    Windalfr wrote: »
    MochaLatte wrote: »
    Windalfr wrote: »
    anyone want to play some sets?

    I'm down


    gonna run a quick ft5 with someone else then I'll invite you

    k sounds good
  • NaerasNaeras Terribad Joined: Posts: 3,430
    ukyo_rulz wrote: »
    I think EWGF is the worst example of a flashy move variation, because it's a move shared by all the "main" characters of Tekken and they're all balanced around it. It would be like if Ryu had Seismo chains. Namco should have kept the just-frames to the more obscure characters.

    I just think EWGF is bad design, period. When a move is so hard that even 20 year Tekken veterans routinely miss the input, but in return the move is the best move in the game by far when you do hit the input, you've made some questionable design choices. Artificial execution barriers at their finest.
  • Za FuuruZa Fuuru Joined: Posts: 204
    Zeniside wrote: »
    V-reversals are practically worthless against Cammy's medium attacks.
    Well of course there are exceptions, thank you Mr Obvious. Basically V-Rversals depend on frame data so you have to know it. They are not useless overall
    Quark wrote: »
    backdashes are not useless
    We were talking about V-Reversals and pressure, right? Of course backdash is useful when you guess right and your opponent goes for a throw, but against hits (and we were talking about hits, not throws) they are useless. I don't see many backdashes used when who defends has to deal with pressure and + on block normal spam.
  • WindalfrWindalfr Moe is cancer Joined: Posts: 1,855
    MochaLatte wrote: »
    Windalfr wrote: »
    MochaLatte wrote: »
    Windalfr wrote: »
    anyone want to play some sets?

    I'm down


    gonna run a quick ft5 with someone else then I'll invite you

    k sounds good

    invited
  • RAW_GutsRAW_Guts Joined: Posts: 852
    edited April 18
    zektback wrote: »
    Are Vreversals becoming useless? I mean they either get thrown or are blocked since everything is almost safe.

    I think they are still good as attacking tools to keep your position especially if you are near the corner and want to keep them in there. A lot of people still use V-reversal as a "get the fuck off of me" tool when I've noticed a lot of the better players use it more like "no - You're not taking your turn back yet" when a sequence ends but you want to still keep the pressure on. Mago was also V-reversal-ling peoples V-reversal.
    RAW_Guts wrote: »
    Za Fuuru wrote: »
    V-Reversals are a bit too slow, but they are useful against medium and heavy attacks. You have to know frame data very well, in this game, because many normals are + on block and backdashes are useless.

    They tried to sell the game to casuals, but they failed because without knowing frame data of your opponent you get destroyed in 10 seconds.

    We saw a lot of successful backdashes in the top 8 of NCR work out favorably for the defensive end. I would not say they are useless.

    Indeed. Bonchan in particular I noticed was getting air reset a lot on wake up which is much less damaging than taking the full combo, it's like a compromise almost, take a little damage and get out. I spent a lot of time watching how the top players were defending situations at NCR since I think my knock down defence is poor.


    Karin's V-Reversal is exactly an example of that in this game. Even in beta I noticed it and was popping her V-Reversal to deny people from taking their turns after I had mine or V-Reversaling their V-Reversal. As a last resort defensive tool most of them aren't what people expect that is for damn sure.

    Bonchan did really well and that was certainly a big reason of why. The whole backdash on wake up take less damage than a full combo is obviously nothing new back in SFIV even scrubs did it all the time. However the mechanics of SFV has made people to afraid to do it. Now we are seeing top players implement it on wake up for more rather than just backdashing to call out a predictable grab. One of those nuances that will separate good and great players over time.
  • RAW_GutsRAW_Guts Joined: Posts: 852
    Gamogo wrote: »
    Bill wrote: »
    This thread brushes over her but it's amazing how good Karin is. Easily top 5 with her incredible normals,strangely high damage, excellent mobility and lack of bad matchups. You really can't do much vs a competent Karin.

    One thing I have maintained about Karin is that her normals appear to have been tagged with hit and hurtboxes by a guy who no longer works for Capcom.

    Why? Because they make consistent and aesthetic sense.

    I think that is actually one of her strengths - you get what you see with her. No wonky hitboxes, no deceptively poor ranged pokes. Just all round solid and well defined animations. This is something many characters lack, whereas she somehow seems to have been handled quite differently.

    Image Ryu for example received the same treatment? Or Vega?

    I hate to admit it but I am "rising up" just thinking about Ryu with proper hitboxes.
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    Veserius wrote: »
    The AE2012 Tier List thread was the best times I've had on this site. Somehow I became a trusted source for Makoto matchup knowledge, don't ask me how that happened.

    The guy running that thread made me want to tear my hair out.

    He'd ask me about a matchup, i'd write like 5 paragraphs on it, with video examples.

    someone else goes, "yo but that shit is only 4-6" NUMBER CHANGED.

    Yeah I forget the guy's name but I remember that happening pretty frequently. I remember a lot of broken English too.
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    also 90% of matchups are 5-5 or 6-4, but the game is unbalanced.
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    Balrog is cheap. And I don't mean that in the "BAWWW HE TOO GOOD" sense. No, I mean that in the sense of his V-Trigger is poorly designed. It's super cool and all, but he can be losing the entire game, tag you with a random normal, pop trigger and win right then and there with no real set-up required. That's just stupid. As dumb as the Aegis/Bomb mix-ups are, at least those aren't guaranteed damage on that level even if they tag you and most of the huge mix-ups actually give you a chance to guess right. As much comeback potential as Gief's trigger has, it doesn't deal as much damage and he has to blow it all to boot, while as far as I know Rog can't even blow his entire trigger on a single combo. Even if Balrog was the worst character in the game, keeping that dumb shit would still make him cheap, because having a comeback mechanic that powerful is just stupid. I used to have the same problem with Cammy's trigger, but at least hers deals less damage and lasts a shorter time.

    Seriously, how did they look at this character and go "Yeah, knock 25 health off him and he's fine"?
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  • HighlandfireballHighlandfireball Are you ready for a war? Joined: Posts: 8,906
    edited April 18
    4 meters, full trigger and a whiffed DP. Not sure I'll be seeing that one. Ryu has some full stun combos on some characters with 900 - 950 health but they need to eat a meaty from the previous combo, can do midscreen too. Never done it myself though, too busy swearing at the screen.
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