The SSJ5 General Thread: E3 happening but Ono doesn't Spirit Bomb

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  • WindalfrWindalfr Moe is cancer Joined: Posts: 1,789
    MochaLatte wrote: »
    Windalfr wrote: »
    MochaLatte wrote: »
    Windalfr wrote: »
    anyone want to play some sets?

    I'm down


    gonna run a quick ft5 with someone else then I'll invite you

    k sounds good

    invited
  • RAW_GutsRAW_Guts Joined: Posts: 703
    edited April 18
    zektback wrote: »
    Are Vreversals becoming useless? I mean they either get thrown or are blocked since everything is almost safe.

    I think they are still good as attacking tools to keep your position especially if you are near the corner and want to keep them in there. A lot of people still use V-reversal as a "get the fuck off of me" tool when I've noticed a lot of the better players use it more like "no - You're not taking your turn back yet" when a sequence ends but you want to still keep the pressure on. Mago was also V-reversal-ling peoples V-reversal.
    RAW_Guts wrote: »
    Za Fuuru wrote: »
    V-Reversals are a bit too slow, but they are useful against medium and heavy attacks. You have to know frame data very well, in this game, because many normals are + on block and backdashes are useless.

    They tried to sell the game to casuals, but they failed because without knowing frame data of your opponent you get destroyed in 10 seconds.

    We saw a lot of successful backdashes in the top 8 of NCR work out favorably for the defensive end. I would not say they are useless.

    Indeed. Bonchan in particular I noticed was getting air reset a lot on wake up which is much less damaging than taking the full combo, it's like a compromise almost, take a little damage and get out. I spent a lot of time watching how the top players were defending situations at NCR since I think my knock down defence is poor.


    Karin's V-Reversal is exactly an example of that in this game. Even in beta I noticed it and was popping her V-Reversal to deny people from taking their turns after I had mine or V-Reversaling their V-Reversal. As a last resort defensive tool most of them aren't what people expect that is for damn sure.

    Bonchan did really well and that was certainly a big reason of why. The whole backdash on wake up take less damage than a full combo is obviously nothing new back in SFIV even scrubs did it all the time. However the mechanics of SFV has made people to afraid to do it. Now we are seeing top players implement it on wake up for more rather than just backdashing to call out a predictable grab. One of those nuances that will separate good and great players over time.
  • RAW_GutsRAW_Guts Joined: Posts: 703
    Gamogo wrote: »
    Bill wrote: »
    This thread brushes over her but it's amazing how good Karin is. Easily top 5 with her incredible normals,strangely high damage, excellent mobility and lack of bad matchups. You really can't do much vs a competent Karin.

    One thing I have maintained about Karin is that her normals appear to have been tagged with hit and hurtboxes by a guy who no longer works for Capcom.

    Why? Because they make consistent and aesthetic sense.

    I think that is actually one of her strengths - you get what you see with her. No wonky hitboxes, no deceptively poor ranged pokes. Just all round solid and well defined animations. This is something many characters lack, whereas she somehow seems to have been handled quite differently.

    Image Ryu for example received the same treatment? Or Vega?

    I hate to admit it but I am "rising up" just thinking about Ryu with proper hitboxes.
  • Killer_JigglypuffKiller_Jigglypuff Trying really hard Joined: Posts: 7,668
    Veserius wrote: »
    The AE2012 Tier List thread was the best times I've had on this site. Somehow I became a trusted source for Makoto matchup knowledge, don't ask me how that happened.

    The guy running that thread made me want to tear my hair out.

    He'd ask me about a matchup, i'd write like 5 paragraphs on it, with video examples.

    someone else goes, "yo but that shit is only 4-6" NUMBER CHANGED.

    Yeah I forget the guy's name but I remember that happening pretty frequently. I remember a lot of broken English too.
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  • VeseriusVeserius Hold Down Back Joined: Posts: 11,471
    also 90% of matchups are 5-5 or 6-4, but the game is unbalanced.
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  • KeckaKecka Psycho Crushing that booty Joined: Posts: 1,556
    Balrog is cheap. And I don't mean that in the "BAWWW HE TOO GOOD" sense. No, I mean that in the sense of his V-Trigger is poorly designed. It's super cool and all, but he can be losing the entire game, tag you with a random normal, pop trigger and win right then and there with no real set-up required. That's just stupid. As dumb as the Aegis/Bomb mix-ups are, at least those aren't guaranteed damage on that level even if they tag you and most of the huge mix-ups actually give you a chance to guess right. As much comeback potential as Gief's trigger has, it doesn't deal as much damage and he has to blow it all to boot, while as far as I know Rog can't even blow his entire trigger on a single combo. Even if Balrog was the worst character in the game, keeping that dumb shit would still make him cheap, because having a comeback mechanic that powerful is just stupid. I used to have the same problem with Cammy's trigger, but at least hers deals less damage and lasts a shorter time.

    Seriously, how did they look at this character and go "Yeah, knock 25 health off him and he's fine"?
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  • HighlandfireballHighlandfireball Are you ready for a war? Joined: Posts: 8,297
    edited April 18
    4 meters, full trigger and a whiffed DP. Not sure I'll be seeing that one. Ryu has some full stun combos on some characters with 900 - 950 health but they need to eat a meaty from the previous combo, can do midscreen too. Never done it myself though, too busy swearing at the screen.
  • JoeyTonesJoeyTones Joined: Posts: 1,059
    edited April 18
    Someone reminded me of this godlike set, had to watch it again,



    One of the best sets in SFV to date and makes a case for why Ryu and Chun need to be brought back to their S1 glory. The gameplay is so pure.
  • TeriosTerios Where do you want me to break you first? Joined: Posts: 1,675
    The AE2012 Tier List thread was the best times I've had on this site. Somehow I became a trusted source for Makoto matchup knowledge, don't ask me how that happened.

    Nerf Akuma's sweep.
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    Gg guys, Street Fighter V killed excellent adventures

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  • CipherCipher Catchphraser Joined: Posts: 1,666
    What I missed during the last pages of the last thread:

    - @Quark plays FFXIV (good to know I'm not alone with this)
    - Lots of ass pictures.

    I wish I would have been there, to bad I wasn't.
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  • LordWilliam1234LordWilliam1234 Too Many Waifus Joined: Posts: 20,886
    Cipher wrote: »
    What I missed during the last pages of the last thread:

    - Quark plays FFXIV (good to know I'm not alone with this)
    - Lots of ass pictures.

    I wish I would have been there, to bad I wasn't.

    Aww, I'm sorry man...here, let me make it up to you.
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    In theory the goal of a secondary is (usually) to cover the bad matchups for your primary. Since you're playing a character that doesn't seem to have any aggressively bad matchups to worry about I would suggest that instead you look at a character that just plays differently than Cammy so that a counter-pick with the secondary would be more based on the type of player you've run into. To that end I would suggest you pick between Laura, Mika, Zangief and maybe Rashid.

    I've become addicted to fast walkspeeds with good buttons...it's hard to go back to having only one or neither.

    That said, maybe I will try Zangief again...out of the ones you listed he's the one I had the most fun with.
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  • appomoappomo uupps Joined: Posts: 3,715
    PVL_93_RU wrote: »
    Gg guys, Street Fighter V killed excellent adventures


    i know it is meant as a joke but with sfV the vierwenumbers on the excelent episodes dropped a lot.
    thats most likely the reason why the bring him in now with his own segment.
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    mowr wrote: »
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    I can't believe I am saying this, but he's actually right.
  • CipherCipher Catchphraser Joined: Posts: 1,666
    @LordWilliam1234



    You Sir deserve a medal, sadly I have none.
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    Fuck Byron, whens Ed??!!
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    Cipher wrote: »
    You Sir deserve a medal, sadly I have none.

    I'll take a "rise up," it's the most obvious reaction after all :wink:
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  • appomoappomo uupps Joined: Posts: 3,715
    there he switches games to have fun and thats what he gets....poor man :P
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    The continous support and information about the game was Capcom and Ono dissappearing from twitter and other media for good.
  • DimeDime Wasting time Joined: Posts: 10,012
    Lol this game is so salt inducing. Play against gief it's just jump dash charge armor jump dash charge armor.

    Anti air him a couple of times and bam dash SPD. Hit his dash SPD bam, jump.

    Mix armor charge for autofootsies and some cr.lp and some SPD vortex and there's gief for you. So fun.

    lol I don't even mind the SPD vortex but it just becomes unfun when the neutral is so spazzy. Play perfect calling all the options out without the benefit of a strategy that covers more than one option at a time, mess up once and get vortexed.

    LOL mad salt.
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  • Darc RequiemDarc Requiem The Light Emitting Darkness Joined: Posts: 7,605
    edited April 18
    appomo wrote: »
    PVL_93_RU wrote: »
    Gg guys, Street Fighter V killed excellent adventures


    i know it is meant as a joke but with sfV the vierwenumbers on the excelent episodes dropped a lot.
    thats most likely the reason why the bring him in now with his own segment.

    True. Plus the last few episodes I saw, the guest usually had to carry them. I saw one episode where everyone was winning except Gootecks. It was sad.
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  • SkiesOfAzelSkiesOfAzel Joined: Posts: 933
    edited April 18
    Daemos wrote: »
    mowr wrote: »
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    I can't believe I am saying this, but he's actually right.

    Plus he color matched it with his eyes. But even if he hadn't, that pose oozes of testosterone.

    I now eagerly expect Punk's post about the right glitter shades for CPT tournaments.
  • A10metalA10metal Joined: Posts: 1,819
    Fuck Byron, whens Ed??!!

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  • SkiesOfAzelSkiesOfAzel Joined: Posts: 933
    Vhozite wrote: »
    mowr wrote: »
    *Picture of a bitch nigga*

    All he needs now are some high heels and a pair of earrings.

    As long as they are color matched. You wouldn't want to ruin the effect, unless you are jelly that he has a better purse than you (understandable, you are only human after all).
  • GenistarGenistar Master Drayden Joined: Posts: 4,876
    Honestly I've been using kolin's back dash during gaps in block strings to get away. I don't even see her vreversal as a defensive tool anymore, just something to regain offense on certain moves. Oh another thing.... capcom should switch urien's crush counters around. Make st.hp knock down and df.hk for max damage punishes.
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    appomo wrote: »
    PVL_93_RU wrote: »
    Gg guys, Street Fighter V killed excellent adventures


    i know it is meant as a joke but with sfV the vierwenumbers on the excelent episodes dropped a lot.
    thats most likely the reason why the bring him in now with his own segment.

    True. Plus the last few episodes I saw. The guest usually have to carry them. I saw one episode where everyone was winning except Gootecks. It was sad.

    It's always been like that though. Mike is the one who used to win a lot in SFIV but can't get anything done in SFV. Gootecks was always just losing. I think that's part of the charm to be honest. Nobody wants to see 30 games win streaks with Urien on Excellent Adventures.
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    mowr wrote: »

    i'm starting to feel sorry for him. dude has no real friends, always needs to prove himself (i wonder where that comes from?), and sucks at fighters and lacks humility to actually blame himself for losses. he'll never get better at games because of that.
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  • LordWilliam1234LordWilliam1234 Too Many Waifus Joined: Posts: 20,886
    i'm starting to feel sorry for him. dude has no real friends, always needs to prove himself (i wonder where that comes from?), and sucks at fighters and lacks humility to actually blame himself for losses. he'll never get better at games because of that.

    His GF left him too. And he's probably not blaming himself for it.

    He's a sad, sad man indeed.
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  • CHNchilla89CHNchilla89 Joined: Posts: 964
    @CHNchilla89 yeah he is mad good. Asked for another set after the tournament. Tell him I said what's up

    The ELeague guys actually ran a little bar tournament last night, and he won that too. He's really been improving steadily over the past since year when I first met him. I think first time I played him in tournament it was pretty close, but I can't touch him at all now.

    He told me my story was cool.

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  • RugalitarianRugalitarian B-tier for Beautiful Joined: Posts: 3,740
    Seems to me that the asians are just upset that they can't consistently win majors anymore in SFV, and just call the game bad as an excuse.

    @CHNchilla89 I fought him again after the tournament in a first to three and it went 3-2 his way. His neutral is crazy and I've never seen a Birdie utilize command grab like he does. He should start entering majors if he hasn't already lol
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  • DevilJin 01DevilJin 01 PRAISED BEEF Joined: Posts: 54,558 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
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    Seems to me that the asians are just upset that they can't consistently win majors anymore in SFV, and just call the game bad as an excuse.

    @CHNchilla89 I fought him again after the tournament in a first to three and it went 3-2 his way. His neutral is crazy and I've never seen a Birdie utilize command grab like he does. He should start entering majors if he hasn't already lol

    It's more like a vocal minority of a few of the top asians and other top players. The majority of asians from interviews I've seen seem to really like the game just with some criticisms.

    Bigger issue seems to be random US/Euro people defending them losing with "the game sucks/too easy so they're losing" shit. In Marvel 3 people did the same thing to defend Sanford Kelly and Yipes not having good results in that game.

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    mowr wrote: »
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    image quoting cause fuck you

    when you have to reassure yourself in a post it's pretty fuckin obvious you're self conscious about it
  • RugalitarianRugalitarian B-tier for Beautiful Joined: Posts: 3,740
    You know LTG does that shit just for attention.. He knows that the people over at r/sf and r/kappa are obsessed with him for some reason, so he goes and posts dumb things like that.
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  • SkiesOfAzelSkiesOfAzel Joined: Posts: 933
    Seems to me that the asians are just upset that they can't consistently win majors anymore in SFV, and just call the game bad as an excuse.

    So if someone has a different opinion than yours, he must have an ulterior motive right? The fact is that Capcom was promising left and right that SFV would be all about fundamentals.

    What we got instead is a different kind of set play based around 50/50s, heavy buttons that lack a proper hurtbox during startup and recovery and a risk reward factor that makes no fucking sense whatsoever. And Bonchan is absolutely right about the balancing process, even the worst top tier cheese of S1 seems reasonable and fair compared to what we got with the S2 top tiers.
  • CHNchilla89CHNchilla89 Joined: Posts: 964
    Seems to me that the asians are just upset that they can't consistently win majors anymore in SFV, and just call the game bad as an excuse.

    @CHNchilla89 I fought him again after the tournament in a first to three and it went 3-2 his way. His neutral is crazy and I've never seen a Birdie utilize command grab like he does. He should start entering majors if he hasn't already lol

    Yeah I remember mentioning a while back in the last thread that Birdie is such a nightmare in V-trigger because of the command grab/ex headbutt mixup. He utilizes that really well and he's really good at throwing out clutch c.lp's to interrupt pressure. He was at Final Round, but I think he's trying to travel more this year. Honestly I think a lot of Atlanta players would do really well if they got more experience under their belts.

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  • DaemosDaemos Queen Bitch of the Universe Joined: Posts: 9,315 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    edited April 18
    Gamogo wrote: »
    Daemos wrote: »
    I can't believe I am saying this, but he's actually right.

    Nope.

    What do you mean "nope"? It's a piece of accessory, if you think it's more than that (like a measure of something as subjective as masculinity) then you are deluded.

    Your sense of style could be narrow and limited, but it doesn't mean that others' should be the same. Whether it looks good or not, comes down to personal taste. If you feel good, and you feel right wearing something - Go for it.


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    Lots of straight men can pull off eccentric fashion tastes that include but are not limited to stuff like purses, earrings, and heels.

    You have an ocean of shit to make fun of when it comes to LTG, this isn't one of them.
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    Why cant i buy certain costumes, stages anymore? Why dont Capcom want my money?
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    This is a topic worthy of after page 500. Not the first 10.
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  • Darc RequiemDarc Requiem The Light Emitting Darkness Joined: Posts: 7,605
    Veserius wrote: »
    The asian top players have been trashing the game since pre-evo last year.

    reverse engineering that into salt is dumb.

    IIRC a lot if them shit on SFIV too.
  • riburibu A Return to Form Joined: Posts: 2,290
    Veserius wrote: »
    The asian top players have been trashing the game since pre-evo last year.

    reverse engineering that into salt is dumb.

    Forget pre-evo...the game was getting bashed pre-release.
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  • CHNchilla89CHNchilla89 Joined: Posts: 964
    Veserius wrote: »
    also if you enjoy being stylish you also enjoy penises in your orifices.

    middle school up in here.

    QFT though I will say some of those styles @Daemos linked to are really strange.

    I think in general most Americans have really whack styles though. My best friend studied abroad in Japan for a year and really implemented that style. When he got back we'd go out to bars and chicks would think he was gay (this was in a college town in the South so keep that in mind) just because he was dressed nicely.

    Hell, I've gone out to bars during wintertime and literally had chicks come up to me just because I was wearing a scarf (again, I live in the South). Dudes really don't realize that dressing well will get you vagina.

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