Starting Street Fighter 5

CrawfishCrawfish Joined: Posts: 21
i just started street fighter 5 a couple of days ago and haven't won anymore than 20 games online. how long did it take for you guys to start winning more in your fighting game online?
also, did you have trouble doing combos in a match at first too? really, i'd like any advice for a beginner

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  • TKRTKR Inventor of Toe Socks Joined: Posts: 159
    Dude, be happy. Those are great results in a couple of days.
  • TKRTKR Inventor of Toe Socks Joined: Posts: 159
    I would say it took a few solid months before I got to the point that I would expect to win. And even then it was against the same 15-20 guys that seemed to circulate through the lobby.

    I never had problems with combos online, but I did have problems with combos in the beginning, I played mostly offline. Until I learned that you can't blindly through out combos all willy nilly, and that you need to wait your turn, do things to open them up for a combo, or catch them with a punish.
  • CrawfishCrawfish Joined: Posts: 21
    TKR wrote: »
    I never had problems with combos online, but I did have problems with combos in the beginning, I played mostly offline. Until I learned that you can't blindly through out combos all willy nilly, and that you need to wait your turn, do things to open them up for a combo, or catch them with a punish.
    i can get the initial hit you know, but when it comes to execute in a real match i go stupid in the fingers lol. I do know that i should not fish for the combo and that i should play the proper neutral, but when the time comes, i miss it often. and then i'll get impatient
  • TKRTKR Inventor of Toe Socks Joined: Posts: 159
    Oh I see. That's all mental then man. Play some offline sets with some mates.

    A lot of the guys that start out training with us often struggle with just that, and I find its because they hold their online rankings and win ratios in high regard. But playing against a bunch of mates offline as casual sets they tend to relax more because they don't feel stressed out about trying to win. Once you get in the practice casually you will relax more and it will come naturally. There is unfortunately nothing you can do except practice, and try on relaxing, when you play relaxed you will always play better and you can focus on what you are doing. Muscle memory will kick in eventually over time. And your online game will improve. Keep in mind that online the timing for your combos can change slightly with lag and such, as you improve you will learn to compensate for this.

    I hate saying practice makes perfect. It pisses me off considerably. But if you under stand footsies and the neutral enough where you can start to apply it. And if you are happy with your execution of your combos in the lab. Then there is nothing you can really do until you level up your game. So practice what you know. When you feel your win ratio is going up you can focus on things like mind games, and strategies and mix up knowledge and all that crap that will take you to crazy levels.

    The way I have all ways seen it, playing online is practice for playing offline and the games don't count.
  • OceanMachineOceanMachine ROCKET LAUNCHER GOD Joined: Posts: 8,747
    Took a month or two before I started winning games consistently in a fighting game online. I played a lot of lobby games with friends during that time which helped me getting comfortable with my character.
    Combos will click in with the time eventually. The best way to pull them off is to know some situations where you can use them safely, such as punishing very unsafe moves.
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  • TKRTKR Inventor of Toe Socks Joined: Posts: 159
    I just saw an old post of yours about getting frustrated an pissed off. Are you still like that. Or have you calmed down more when playing. Because that factors a lot in how you develop or don't develop as a player. Also in that post it seems you are trying to hard to focus on the advanced mental aspects of the game instead of just execution and learning when its your turn or when its their turn.

    If you feel that other post is still relevant to your situation, then what I have said about relaxing is a massive massive point you need to put effort into. How old are you by the way, out of curiosity, not trying to imply anything like a douche.

    The other thing you mentioned is you can't go to tournaments or play offline sets because there are no players around. That is somewhat beneficial, it means you wont go to tournaments. Normally I would tell people to go to every single one they can, but you seem to be having an exceptionally rough time with the barrier of entry into fighting games. So you shouldn't play against people of that level, it will just keep demotivating you. The other thing is that it now forces you to have to teach somebody else to learn how to play. This is good because the community can always do with more players. It means that there will be somebody on your level. And, in teaching people we often learn ourselves. You only really find out how much you understand something when you have to explain it to somebody else. Look at it like a study group.

    But definitely calm down and relax. That's the top priority. And when you play worry more about blocking correctly. And learn when its your turn. If you block an attack, and then throw out a poke. You will learn pretty quickly if it was safe for you to do so or not. Then next time you are in that situation, don't throw out the poke. Just learn how the game is played, then in a good few months, maybe a year or so, you can start worrying about how to play your opponent.

    http://forums.shoryuken.com/discussion/214572/offline-vs-online#latest

    Also check out that discussion, I explained some of my training techniques. They may help you out.
  • ArtVandelayArtVandelay Architect Joined: Posts: 5,199
    edited April 26
    It took me thousands of games to get to 45% win rate when I picked up SF4.
    Given the game was already old when I picked it up, difficult and I haven't played a fighting game for about 15 years at that time.

    Also I'm not a role model. I got to gold league 3 or 4 weeks after SFV came out and have been at the same level since then, meaning I cannot keep up with the learning speed of other players, because I'm fed up with the SFV's online experience and lack the conviction to go to the lab and hammer my weaknesses out.

    So basically it totally depends on you and how much time you're willing to spend and how effectively you manage that time.
    If you learn something wrong for hours on end, you'll grow less than somebody who identifies his flaws correctly and counteracts them.
    Just have a positive attitude towards the game and have a proper training schedule, and you'll be fine.

    If you ever think: "OMG I can't anti-air uppercut or hit-confirm ever, it's impossible!"
    I was at that point too and it's more of a mental block in terms of anti-air because you're afraid to get hit, and that is what makes you take that extra time to let go of holding block and inputting the uppercut code.
    With hit-confirms it's just a mixture of being afraid of dropping it and not having enough experience with the game.
    After a while you just hear that hit and confirm it automatically, but before that happens you have to force yourself every single instance in real matches to try it even if you fail and lose.

    There's only so much you can train in training mode, when you're in a real match your brain is in a completely different mode and to counteract that you just have to be brave. Have the guts to lose a lot of games to gain a skill that makes you win more in the long run.
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  • GreenwoodGreenwood Earth, the only true God Joined: Posts: 885
    [quote="Crawfish;d-214624"did you have trouble doing combos in a match at first too? [/quote]
    If you ever think: "OMG I can't anti-air uppercut or hit-confirm ever, it's impossible!"

    I think one of the hardest things about helping/teaching beginners is convincing them that it's not impossible.

    A friend of mine was struggling with basic combos. I would often tell him - "It's not impossible. Physically, you are no different than Justin Wong. Justin Wong didn't just roll out of bed one day and start banging out 1 frame links. He doesn't possess magic fingers or extra muscles in his hands". I believe that anybody can do any combo or hit-confirm with enough time and proper practice.

    So yes, I think everyone struggles with combo in the beginning. As you know, performing a combo in training is very different than performing a combo in a real match. Muscle memory is a big factor in being able to perform in a big spot. And over time, your mental awareness will sharpen too.


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  • CrawfishCrawfish Joined: Posts: 21
    TKR wrote: »
    I just saw an old post of yours about getting frustrated an pissed off. Are you still like that. Or have you calmed down more when playing. Because that factors a lot in how you develop or don't develop as a player. Also in that post it seems you are trying to hard to focus on the advanced mental aspects of the game instead of just execution and learning when its your turn or when its their turn.

    If you feel that other post is still relevant to your situation, then what I have said about relaxing is a massive massive point you need to put effort into. How old are you by the way, out of curiosity, not trying to imply anything like a douche.
    I'm 19, started smash when i was 16 or something.
    I don't feel that way as much with street fighter because everything makes more sense to me. when i played smash, things would happen and i would be like "why in the world did that happen" but i haven't felt that way yet with street fighter. i get frustrated with my own failures, but i'm closer to an answer. i couldn't punish someone who was only jumping in and away, so i got frustrated. i do when i drop combos, but i know i'm better than i was a few days ago. and right now i get frustrated with wake up stuff, the one place where i feel lost right now, but that's only because i haven't learned about it yet. i can't get frustrated yet cause i know i still have so much to learn, but i gotta keep myself from getting frustrated out of habit or whatever like i do with smash. my biggest challenge i think.
  • CrawfishCrawfish Joined: Posts: 21
    So basically it totally depends on you and how much time you're willing to spend and how effectively you manage that time.
    If you learn something wrong for hours on end, you'll grow less than somebody who identifies his flaws correctly and counteracts them.
    Just have a positive attitude towards the game and have a proper training schedule, and you'll be fine.

    i hope can do this correctly
  • Xandra71Xandra71 halp im 5'4 someone please get me a stool so i can actually witness the match Joined: Posts: 7
    I'd say it takes a couple months for you to actually expect to win when entering a match. It doesn't really come immediately, at least not for me. Speaking of that, something that helped me improve is by not focusing on how much I lost, and instead focusing on why I lost and how to improve. If you focus on the amount of losses or how many games you haven't won, you'll feel more deflated, like all you do is lose. If you focus on improving and learning, you'll be in a better mood and therefore play better and feel more motivated. Keep what you need to work on after losing in mind, but just don't zero in on it.

    Another thing to keep in mind is that, as a beginner, you're gonna get bodied. Everyone has to go through this (unfortunately lol, I wish it weren't true, trust me!) before becoming better. The best players in the world started off their career by getting bodied. They didn't just start out amazing. You have to be patient and work very hard, y'know? But considering you just got the game, you're doing very well so far!!

    Do the impossible, see the invisible, row row, fight the power!

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  • p1nkt1t5p1nkt1t5 Joined: Posts: 628
    Learn to AA. Seems to be the biggest thing for rooks.

    Do not attempt to tech throws all the time. You will have to break this habit ltr. Might as well learn it now. Maybe attempt a throw tech once a rnd. I struggle with this quite a bit. Its a habit from 4 that i cant seem to break. You can probably learn to delay tech, but again, you will want to break this habit as your opponents get stronger. Maybe a 1:2, 1:3 schedule.

    What do higher level players say about this to a rook?

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  • TKRTKR Inventor of Toe Socks Joined: Posts: 159
    At 19 you have plenty of time to hit God Status.

    Like I have said and many others, its just about practice. Something I find really good sometimes is spaced repetition. Its a technique I use when practicing guitar. Pick one thing you want to learn. Such as AA. Google your characters top AA moves, there will be a few depending on character and situation. Set up the dummy to do a jump in. And practice. Set a timer on your phone to go off after 5 minutes. And don't look at it. just focus on what you are doing and do it as much as you can to the best of your ability. When the timer goes off, reset it. Then get up and walk around. Have some water and get some fresh air. do something with your hands that isn't similar to playing. So don't even type on a phone. I find if I have nothing to do with my hands its nice to run some cold water over them and relax them, make like you are washing. Don't worry about the soap.
    Its very important they do something different. It distracts the brain for the firing patterns it was so intensely focused on. When the timer goes off again get back to the game and just pick up where you left off for another 5 minutes. After 6 reps, you will have played for half an hour, and rested for half an hour. The little breaks will help it not feel like such a chore. And the little intervals of gaming will help you stay focused on the task at hand.

    What is really import about the breaks is that it stops you from getting into autopilot mode, where you just do the same shit over and over but you aren't mentally invested which is just a waste of time. It also gives your brain time to save everything it is learning. I would pick one thing to practice every day, to a max of 3 or 4 things, so that you can then get back to the first thing you were learning quicker. It will take time for you to really get into it diligently, and when you feel you are able to focus and stay dedicated to a training program you can up the time to 10 minute intervals. But until then make sure you are strict about what you do and the times. Don't go over 6 reps. You can quickly over train your brain.

    An extra tip. The brain locks in everything it did during the day when you are sleeping. So playing at night after dinner and after any home work you may have is even better. Spacial repetition takes a couple times before you really notice a difference. But its the fastest and easiest way to learn something technical.

    Once you have the required skills worry about putting them into practice in a game. When you have a free weekend you can get in a lot of training. Do 6 reps of one technique. Take 2-3 hours off. 6 reps of the next thing. 2-3 hours off. Get 3 or 4 sets done in a day and repeat the next.

    I did this when I was struggling to get to grips with somethings. I stopped playing the games for 2 weeks, just dedicated time to training. And after those 2 weeks the people I had been playing against were starting to mention I was getting better. After another 2 weeks I was winning the majority of the games I played against them. Got back into playing some online games purely for fun after that in conjunction to my training and after the second month I was starting to see results online when I wasn't focused on winning and the guys I play against offline seldom beat me.

    Fuck that's a wall of rambling. Anyway. Take all of that how you want. But Visit Giefs Gym. Skip the Character specific stuff and scroll down to the lessons. Do them in a spaced repetition format and in a matter of a few hard weeks you will be smashing bitches. I wish I had this when I was learning my fundamentals.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/StreetFighter/wiki/v/giefsgym
  • HyperImag3HyperImag3 Joined: Posts: 7
    Well I can tell you coming to this site you're bound to get better. Im 31 and have tried to get into MK..compared to my short stay on here this community is so much better, friendlier and willing to help new players grow. I found this site, just went out and got a PS4 so I could get into this game. If you ever want someone to practice with that has dabbled a little but also frustrated and feeling like some of the combos are impossible I could play with ya online and we could work on specific things.
  • CrawfishCrawfish Joined: Posts: 21
    HyperImag3 wrote: »
    If you ever want someone to practice with that has dabbled a little but also frustrated and feeling like some of the combos are impossible I could play with ya online and we could work on specific things.

    cool man, i'm down
  • HyperImag3HyperImag3 Joined: Posts: 7
    PMed you my PSN name
  • Jion_WansuJion_Wansu Joined: Posts: 5,631
    p1nkt1t5 wrote: »
    Learn to AA. Seems to be the biggest thing for rooks.

    Do not attempt to tech throws all the time. You will have to break this habit ltr. Might as well learn it now. Maybe attempt a throw tech once a rnd. I struggle with this quite a bit. Its a habit from 4 that i cant seem to break. You can probably learn to delay tech, but again, you will want to break this habit as your opponents get stronger. Maybe a 1:2, 1:3 schedule.

    What do higher level players say about this to a rook?

    I don't know anything about Street Fighter... 5
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