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  • yah yaahh b*tch!yah yaahh b*tch! thats my b*tch Joined: Posts: 6,066
    edited April 30
    I'm going to break it down. This is the truth of the current price structure of games. Publishers are scared to raise the base price of games. All this season pass, day one dlc, and general DLC shenanigans are to cover the increased cost of development while appearing to keep the game prices the same. Games should be more than $60. The base price of game should probably be $80 to $90 dollars at this point. People flipped their shit with Microsoft started charging $60 for 360 games back in 2005.

    I'm 37. Playstation and Saturn games were $50 in the late 90s. N64 games, due to cartridges, were $60 to $70 and in some cases more. There is no way that game prices should only be $10 higher than there were when I was in high school. There are people that post here that were born after I graduated from high school and are in college now. In that time the base price of games has only risen $10. Everything else has gone up far more in price since then. Gas was less than $1 a gallon. The combo that costs me $7 at Wendy's was less than $4 then. I could bum $20 from my mom, get a half tank of gas, a combo from McDonald's, go to the movies, and still have $7 to blow at my local Mindboggle arcade. $20 will only get me the half tank of gas today. I need $50 to do the same thing today if I was teenager. Although, there would be no arcade to spend the left over cash at today.

    Haven't full scale COMPLETELE action titles like Horizon, Nioh, Metal gear Solid, Uncharted and NieR completely debunked this theory that games cost more to make??

    A fighting game doesn't need nearly as many resources as an Uncharted title. And yet Uncharted dlc is useless, and the full game is a complete product. What say you?

    Your posts make my head hurt. How do the games listed debunk what he said?

    According to Forbes MGSV had a $80 million budget. With that budget it needed to sell 5-6 million copies to break even. Keep in mind that Kojima never got to finish the game how he wanted.
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/olliebarder/2015/09/06/metal-gear-solid-v-the-phantom-pain-sells-3-million-units-but-its-not-out-of-the-woods-yet/#6c1fa4118317

    We don't know how much Nier's development cost but the game isn't getting meaningful DLC because they don't have the budget for it
    http://wccftech.com/nier-automata-director-theres-not-enough-budget-meaningful-dlc-drakengard-ps4-collection-possible-enough-demand/

    Nioh has been in development for over ten years. It will be tough to track just how much money was spend back when it was announced as a PS2 game to what it became.

    According to this, Uncharted 4 is Sony's biggest investment in a single game. You can only imagine how much dough Sony dropped on it.
    http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2016/05/06/uncharted-4-playstations-largest-ever-software-investment-says-marketing-manager/

    Horizon got a modest budget of $47 million
    http://www.pushsquare.com/news/2017/03/horizon_zero_dawn_cost_a_reported_e45_million_to_make

    You debunk nothing

    If your head hurts so much responding to me then block me and stop quoting my shit I wasn't even talking to you lol.

    All you did was post numbers that companies claim to need to break even. Which are usually exaggerations but that's besides the point.


    I stated that making quality games is well within capcoms budget. Whether or not it sells is irrelevant considering you just went out your way to prove that no game is selling their anticipated numbers. So going by what YOU posted, they might as well make a good game if It's not going to sell anyway.


    That's called "backfiring"

    Leave me alone.
  • drwill439drwill439 I'll never understand. Joined: Posts: 2,953
    I'm going to break it down. This is the truth of the current price structure of games. Publishers are scared to raise the base price of games. All this season pass, day one dlc, and general DLC shenanigans are to cover the increased cost of development while appearing to keep the game prices the same. Games should be more than $60. The base price of game should probably be $80 to $90 dollars at this point. People flipped their shit with Microsoft started charging $60 for 360 games back in 2005.

    I'm 37. Playstation and Saturn games were $50 in the late 90s. N64 games, due to cartridges, were $60 to $70 and in some cases more. There is no way that game prices should only be $10 higher than there were when I was in high school. There are people that post here that were born after I graduated from high school and are in college now. In that time the base price of games has only risen $10. Everything else has gone up far more in price since then. Gas was less than $1 a gallon. The combo that costs me $7 at Wendy's was less than $4 then. I could bum $20 from my mom, get a half tank of gas, a combo from McDonald's, go to the movies, and still have $7 to blow at my local Mindboggle arcade. $20 will only get me the half tank of gas today. I need $50 to do the same thing today if I was teenager. Although, there would be no arcade to spend the left over cash at today.

    Haven't full scale COMPLETELE action titles like Horizon, Nioh, Metal gear Solid, Uncharted and NieR completely debunked this theory that games cost more to make??

    A fighting game doesn't need nearly as many resources as an Uncharted title. And yet Uncharted dlc is useless, and the full game is a complete product. What say you?

    Your posts make my head hurt. How do the games listed debunk what he said?

    According to Forbes MGSV had a $80 million budget. With that budget it needed to sell 5-6 million copies to break even. Keep in mind that Kojima never got to finish the game how he wanted.
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/olliebarder/2015/09/06/metal-gear-solid-v-the-phantom-pain-sells-3-million-units-but-its-not-out-of-the-woods-yet/#6c1fa4118317

    We don't know how much Nier's development cost but the game isn't getting meaningful DLC because they don't have the budget for it
    http://wccftech.com/nier-automata-director-theres-not-enough-budget-meaningful-dlc-drakengard-ps4-collection-possible-enough-demand/

    Nioh has been in development for over ten years. It will be tough to track just how much money was spend back when it was announced as a PS2 game to what it became.

    According to this, Uncharted 4 is Sony's biggest investment in a single game. You can only imagine how much dough Sony dropped on it.
    http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2016/05/06/uncharted-4-playstations-largest-ever-software-investment-says-marketing-manager/

    Horizon got a modest budget of $47 million
    http://www.pushsquare.com/news/2017/03/horizon_zero_dawn_cost_a_reported_e45_million_to_make

    You debunk nothing

    If your head hurts so much responding to me then block me and stop quoting my shit I wasn't even talking to you lol.

    All you did was post numbers that companies claim to need to break even. Which are usually exaggerations but that's besides the point.


    I stated that making quality games is well within capcoms budget. Whether or not it sells is irrelevant considering you just went out your way to prove that no game is selling their anticipated numbers. So going by what YOU posted, they might as well make a good game if It's not going to sell anyway.


    That's called "backfiring"

    Leave me alone.

    You didn't even read those did you? The articles were mainly how much it cost to develop those games. Some giving actual numbers. You made no mention of what's within Capcom's budget in the post I quoted. Only the games you listed is somehow is suppose to prove that game development hasn't risen. I don't know about you but I don't remember PS2 games having the budget of a MGS5.

    inb4 "But Shenmue!"

    As for the topic at hand, this is fine. Granted, I'm waiting to purchase MVCI for certain other reasons, but the DLC isn't grossly abnormal or anything. I actually respect the fact that Capcom is being upfront and saying "Yeah, pay a little extra for these." This is coming from the guy who bought every single character/season of Killer Instinct over the past 2 years (among other things). Someone earlier in the thread made mention to the fact that developers have been nervous about raising prices for games. I think that they need to go ahead and bite the bullet sometime soon. Things will go back to how they were more than a decade ago, with games feeling more complete due to not having DLC. But until then, this is what we got.

    tldr: Developers need to eat, and DLC/Season passes have become such a norm that I didn't even flinch when I saw the DLC announcement.
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  • po pimpuspo pimpus Let's Hit the Climax! Joined: Posts: 24,815
    Dr. Will, you my dude, but you know damn well if game prices go up, this same DLC shit will continue. Ain't shit going back to how it used to be, especially with dummies jumping in front of my venom bullets to defend Capcpom senpai from any and all criticism.

    The level of tone deafness coming hot off the heels of the failure that is SFV, is disrespectful, incompetent, and negligent.

    The fact you didn't even blink at this speaks volumes as to how heavily abused and expected this nonsense is now.
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  • MageggMagegg Joined: Posts: 3,860
    Well, to be fair, at least UMvC3 added for free the "Heroes & Herlads" DLC. That was very nice.
  • DevilJin 01DevilJin 01 Get some shill in yo system Joined: Posts: 55,331 mod
    edited May 1
    It's really naive to think 80 dollar games will make DLC go away. You'll get DLC with 80 dollar initial price games.


    DLC goes hand in hang with gaming now. There is no escape other than a time machine.

    Ain't nothin, Capcom's ruthless still producin.  Cut em a check or find yoself toothless.  Keep it shill with no confusin.  Niggas say I'm shill...they ain't hard I can prove it YEEEAH


  • ShogunZShogunZ You Jelly? Joined: Posts: 1,836
    yes, it is, which is why i'd repeat the same thing i said above. despite any pull power of the brands, that shouldn't matter to anyone serious/competitive about fighters as it's a non-factor to gameplay. it doesn't really matter, at any rate.

    In that case, what you say is even less relevant because the gameplay looks fine.

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  • LivewireXLivewireX Joined: Posts: 5,789
    It's really naive to think 80 dollar games will make DLC go away. You'll get DLC with 80 dollar initial price games.


    DLC goes hand in hang with gaming now. There is no escape other than a time machine.

    Oh well, I've been on a retro gaming binge anyway. Well...outside of fighters and Tales games, and Persona 5...dammit.
  • BERSERKERRRBERSERKERRR mathemagician Joined: Posts: 109
    ShogunZ wrote: »
    yes, it is, which is why i'd repeat the same thing i said above. despite any pull power of the brands, that shouldn't matter to anyone serious/competitive about fighters as it's a non-factor to gameplay. it doesn't really matter, at any rate.

    In that case, what you say is even less relevant because the gameplay looks fine.
    haha, sure thing, buddy.
    retsu go justin
  • willselesswillseless Joined: Posts: 2,324
    DLC is the price we pay for continuous support after release.
  • ShiroZXShiroZX Joined: Posts: 36
    This is pretty simple. I see a new MvC game. I buy it. Only time will tell if it's worth or not, and if I'm going to buy the dlc.
    That deluxe edition looks dope tho.
  • po pimpuspo pimpus Let's Hit the Climax! Joined: Posts: 24,815
    Lantis wrote: »
    po pimpus wrote: »
    Bullshit. Look how Smash delivered content.

    Capcpom is full of shit.

    I see you are defending Nintendo.

    Your death will not be quick.

    You talk that good shit, but the fact is slow ass, stuck-in-the-90s Nintendo handles DLC better than Capcpom.
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  • ShogunZShogunZ You Jelly? Joined: Posts: 1,836
    ShogunZ wrote: »
    yes, it is, which is why i'd repeat the same thing i said above. despite any pull power of the brands, that shouldn't matter to anyone serious/competitive about fighters as it's a non-factor to gameplay. it doesn't really matter, at any rate.

    In that case, what you say is even less relevant because the gameplay looks fine.
    haha, sure thing, buddy.

    Yea, it's a sure thing, dumbass.
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  • BERSERKERRRBERSERKERRR mathemagician Joined: Posts: 109
    ShogunZ wrote: »
    Yea, it's a sure thing, dumbass.
    hey man, if you like eating garbage i won't stop you. let's all get excited for some casual marvel guys
    retsu go justin
  • k4polok4polo Your Lethal Assassin Joined: Posts: 4,639
    edited May 3
    I supported it. But only because I support FGC, Esports, etc.

    In general, this concept is pretty bad. Pay season pass for 5 DLC characters that we do not know.
    I liked NRS system where they would group a set of DLC and sale it with the characters being known.

    Yes it can be more expensive to some degree but at least you know what you are buying.
    This way you can pick and choose who to buy.

    To sum it up in one word. Choices.
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  • LoghornLoghorn Joined: Posts: 282
    It's really naive to think 80 dollar games will make DLC go away. You'll get DLC with 80 dollar initial price games.


    DLC goes hand in hang with gaming now. There is no escape other than a time machine.

    Or if the videogaming industry starts crashing...which I think will happen in the near future, especially with Sony & Microsoft releasing "upgrades" of consoles just to prevent hardcore gamers from moving onto PC Gaming...which they're failing at.
  • po pimpuspo pimpus Let's Hit the Climax! Joined: Posts: 24,815
    k4polo wrote: »
    I supported it. But only because I support FGC, Esports, etc.

    In general, this concept is pretty bad. Pay season pass for 5 DLC characters that we do not know.
    I liked NRS system where they would group a set of DLC and sale it with the characters being known.

    Yes it can be more expensive to some degree but at least you know what you are buying.
    This way you can pick and choose who to buy.

    To sum it up in one word. Choices.

    When you're making a bad choice, but go through with it anyway, what are you really accomplishing?
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  • drwill439drwill439 I'll never understand. Joined: Posts: 2,953
    edited May 3
    po pimpus wrote: »
    k4polo wrote: »
    I supported it. But only because I support FGC, Esports, etc.

    In general, this concept is pretty bad. Pay season pass for 5 DLC characters that we do not know.
    I liked NRS system where they would group a set of DLC and sale it with the characters being known.

    Yes it can be more expensive to some degree but at least you know what you are buying.
    This way you can pick and choose who to buy.

    To sum it up in one word. Choices.

    When you're making a bad choice, but go through with it anyway, what are you really accomplishing?

    Well, I think there's something to be said about supporting a greater cause than just a company. If people want esports to thrive, there has to be a community. The game looks like it plays well, and I think that it would be entertaining to watch, so why not? As mentioned numerous times in the thread, you are not required to buy the character pass.
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  • po pimpuspo pimpus Let's Hit the Climax! Joined: Posts: 24,815
    drwill439 wrote: »
    po pimpus wrote: »
    k4polo wrote: »
    I supported it. But only because I support FGC, Esports, etc.

    In general, this concept is pretty bad. Pay season pass for 5 DLC characters that we do not know.
    I liked NRS system where they would group a set of DLC and sale it with the characters being known.

    Yes it can be more expensive to some degree but at least you know what you are buying.
    This way you can pick and choose who to buy.

    To sum it up in one word. Choices.

    When you're making a bad choice, but go through with it anyway, what are you really accomplishing?

    Well, I think there's something to be said about supporting a greater cause than just a company.

    Supporting Capcpom's schemes is the exact opposite of supporting the FGC.

    The community deserves better.
    "Capcom should listen to their fans... Mega Man is a cool character." -2048 President Elect Kevin at Age 10
  • drwill439drwill439 I'll never understand. Joined: Posts: 2,953
    po pimpus wrote: »
    drwill439 wrote: »
    po pimpus wrote: »
    k4polo wrote: »
    I supported it. But only because I support FGC, Esports, etc.

    In general, this concept is pretty bad. Pay season pass for 5 DLC characters that we do not know.
    I liked NRS system where they would group a set of DLC and sale it with the characters being known.

    Yes it can be more expensive to some degree but at least you know what you are buying.
    This way you can pick and choose who to buy.

    To sum it up in one word. Choices.

    When you're making a bad choice, but go through with it anyway, what are you really accomplishing?

    Well, I think there's something to be said about supporting a greater cause than just a company.

    Supporting Capcpom's schemes is the exact opposite of supporting the FGC.

    The community deserves better.

    I only half agree with you here. The community does deserve better from Capcom. I'm not the biggest fan of how SFV launched (arcade mode aside) or works in general. But at the same time, Capcom remains the pillar of the community. Have they gotten kinda lax in that position? Absolutely. But until something comes along that knocks them off that pedestal, that's what we have. I'm not saying that you should just bend over and take what they give you, but that unless the community as a whole actually comes together and jumps ship to a different game, nothing is gonna change. There are a ton of competitive fighters that want to be played and enjoyed, but let's keep complaining about Capcom, right?

    Now, while we know a decent amount about the game, we don't know everything. By the time SFV launched, we pretty much knew everything that came with the game. Compared to MVCI, we know jack shit outside of like 6 or 7 characters and half the gems. I've always been an advocate for waiting until all or a sufficient amount of information is available. They might have the greatest roster in any FG right out the box, but we're gonna give the game flack for saying that 6 of them aren't in the game off the bat? Come on.
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  • po pimpuspo pimpus Let's Hit the Climax! Joined: Posts: 24,815
    edited May 3
    Other companies have been doing better than Capcpom for years, yet for some reason, the community continues to support them, and only them, despite the fact they've been doing far below the even the barest minimum on their fighters.

    I complain about Capcpom because they have the potential to be THE leader in fighting games, but absolutely refuse to expend even the slightest bit of effort.

    SNK, NRS, ArcSys, LabZero, French Bread, and even old backwards ass Nintendo have shown more that Capcpom, yet outside of Smash, no one gives a fuck about their offerings on a bigger scale.

    I could understand the community hitching their wagons to Capcpom back in the day, when they were the only game in town, but this half-assed shit they do now is not needed.

    Demand better. You deserve it.
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  • Doctrine DarkDoctrine Dark Giving your waifu the pipeu Joined: Posts: 6,782
    edited May 3
    Po, NRS is just as bad as Capcom when it comes to DLC. Come on now. They announced 9 DLC characters before they were even finished the roster. This was after being radio silent about the game for months. The same NRS basically gave PC gamers the finger when their MKX port was broken and they completely abandoned the port altogether. Packing your game with single player stuff doesn't suddenly make them exempt from this.

    The NRS community got a pot bonus for MKX at EVO and still ended up with less entrants than a game (UMVC3) that had no pot bonuses and basically peanuts. The only thing keeping the game going was the players.

    Capcom has done a lot of dumb shit that I won't begin to defend, but let's not act as if all of these other companies are now pro-consumer. The fact that they're (NRS) fucking consumers in the ass from a different position doesn't change the fact that they're still fucking them in the ass.
    Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It's just that yours is stupid.
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  • po pimpuspo pimpus Let's Hit the Climax! Joined: Posts: 24,815
    So, out of everything I said, you go on an NRS tangent instead of the meat of what I said?

    Yes, NRS fucked ALL the way up on that MKX PC port... But as far as Injustice is concerned they've been very upfront about their business model, and what is in each package. I don't agree with everything they're doing, but at least they aren't lying or being purposely cryptic about the roster or the DLC.

    Boon is also on record apologizing to PC players for MKX, Capcpom has NEVER apologized for any of their innumerable mistakes.

    Speaking of support, NRS/WB tosses in major pot bonuses in their tournies... Capcpom didn't give MvC3 players shit... Seems like they might actually give more of a fuck about their community than Capcpom does theirs.
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  • Doctrine DarkDoctrine Dark Giving your waifu the pipeu Joined: Posts: 6,782
    edited May 3
    I understand the gist of your post. I'm simply elaborating on the fact that DLC is something utilized in all of these other companies you mentioned as doing great things. Some more than others. You either dislike DLC for what it is or you don't.

    NRS has a deluxe edition with 3 DLC characters that are unknown, an ultimate edition with 9 DLC characters that are unknown, and a character (Darkseid) that requires you to pre-order the game. Marvel has a deluxe edition with 6 characters and one that's known, but this is somehow worse? Don't see how. Both are selling you on something that is largely unknown.

    As for being up front, Capcom and Marvel said they intend on working on the game for the long-haul, which is presumably what's being done with Injustice 2. We still have months to learn about Infinite, so no issue there.

    Capcom has said SFV was the game that made them realize they have to pack their games with content. And I'm 100% sure Ono has apologized numerous times for the unstableness and mishaps of SFV. I know because I've read his Twitter constantly since SFV launched. He's actually thankful people are still supporting and playing the game.

    Everyone at Capcom isn't some evil gang of thieves that are looking to steal money. All companies want money. DLC is optional. You either buy it or ignore it. The best part is you don't even have to spend money on non-cosmetic stuff in SFV. I have every single DLC character from SFV and I paid a total of $0 to get them. I'm not a Capcom defender. I'm simply showing that this is not as black and white as many people want to believe it is.
    Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It's just that yours is stupid.
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  • po pimpuspo pimpus Let's Hit the Climax! Joined: Posts: 24,815
    I've stated multiple times in the past that I am not opposed to DLC. I am opposed to terribly implemented DLC, such as how Capcpom does things. NRS at least has the decency to show you the majority of the playable roster before breaking out the DLC tip jar, and Smash waited until the game was out a few months before rolling out DLC stuff.

    We don't even know how many, or who the playable roster is, and a major storyline character is being trapped in the Space Gem's DLC Paywall super.
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  • Doctrine DarkDoctrine Dark Giving your waifu the pipeu Joined: Posts: 6,782
    Po, NRS had only announced 9 playable characters before they announced that there would be 9 DLC characters post-release. Forget about Capcom for a second and tell me, do you honestly believe that's the definition of decency?

    They weren't even talking about the game for months before they came and announced the ultimate edition along with Braniac and pre-order Darkseid. This is hardly any different than what Capcom did in terms of timing. The main difference is Capcom stupidly did it with Sigma, which was a terrible decision that nearly 100% of us agree on.

    The majority of Injustice 2 characters have been announced in the past few months. It might seem like we've known their roster for awhile, but we didn't.

    All I'm trying to say is it helps to look at things from a non-bias perspective. I hate early announcement of DLC in general. Capcom is dumb as a doorknob at times. NRS is not a godsend to the community. Those are my main points here.

    SFV has proven that not everyone will willingly throw money at Capcom through brand alone, so they have to change their approach to making their games sell. We'll see how Infinite plays out.



    Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It's just that yours is stupid.
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  • NickRocksNickRocks SATSUI NO SABU Joined: Posts: 22,574
    DLC was never the top part tho
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  • DeadpoolBubDeadpoolBub Joined: Posts: 427
    k4polo wrote: »
    I supported it. But only because I support FGC, Esports, etc.

    In general, this concept is pretty bad. Pay season pass for 5 DLC characters that we do not know.
    I liked NRS system where they would group a set of DLC and sale it with the characters being known.

    Which they've abandoned, we don't know a single character in the Injustice season pass.
  • ultrapowerlevelultrapowerlevel (SuperShadonic) Joined: Posts: 106
    everybody knew they would go the Season route and give DLC characters as Season progresses. No scam here.
  • SlurmzSlurmz I got John Blaze shit. Joined: Posts: 750
    Magegg wrote: »
    6 "DLC" characters confirmed before the game's even launched?

    This is a scam. This is extorsion.

    While the game looks good, I don't plan on supporting this scam. I'll buy the game in maybe 6-7 years when a complete Steam (or whatever system's being used by that time) version is released. Not paying extra because of blackmailing.

    Everyone planning buying the game, I'd like to know your points of view.

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    C'mon son.
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  • k4polok4polo Your Lethal Assassin Joined: Posts: 4,639
    drwill439 wrote: »
    po pimpus wrote: »
    drwill439 wrote: »
    po pimpus wrote: »
    k4polo wrote: »
    I supported it. But only because I support FGC, Esports, etc.

    In general, this concept is pretty bad. Pay season pass for 5 DLC characters that we do not know.
    I liked NRS system where they would group a set of DLC and sale it with the characters being known.

    Yes it can be more expensive to some degree but at least you know what you are buying.
    This way you can pick and choose who to buy.

    To sum it up in one word. Choices.

    When you're making a bad choice, but go through with it anyway, what are you really accomplishing?

    Well, I think there's something to be said about supporting a greater cause than just a company.

    Supporting Capcpom's schemes is the exact opposite of supporting the FGC.

    The community deserves better.

    I only half agree with you here. The community does deserve better from Capcom. I'm not the biggest fan of how SFV launched (arcade mode aside) or works in general. But at the same time, Capcom remains the pillar of the community. Have they gotten kinda lax in that position? Absolutely. But until something comes along that knocks them off that pedestal, that's what we have. I'm not saying that you should just bend over and take what they give you, but that unless the community as a whole actually comes together and jumps ship to a different game, nothing is gonna change. There are a ton of competitive fighters that want to be played and enjoyed, but let's keep complaining about Capcom, right?

    Now, while we know a decent amount about the game, we don't know everything. By the time SFV launched, we pretty much knew everything that came with the game. Compared to MVCI, we know jack shit outside of like 6 or 7 characters and half the gems. I've always been an advocate for waiting until all or a sufficient amount of information is available. They might have the greatest roster in any FG right out the box, but we're gonna give the game flack for saying that 6 of them aren't in the game off the bat? Come on.

    I agree. Capcom has indeed messed up but dropping their support will make them worse. They have the base skills to get a good quality fighters to casual and hardcore players. They need more support now than ever. They need to listen to more suggestions from others and take notes from other fighting games.
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  • po pimpuspo pimpus Let's Hit the Climax! Joined: Posts: 24,815
    k4polo wrote: »
    drwill439 wrote: »
    po pimpus wrote: »
    drwill439 wrote: »
    po pimpus wrote: »
    k4polo wrote: »
    I supported it. But only because I support FGC, Esports, etc.

    In general, this concept is pretty bad. Pay season pass for 5 DLC characters that we do not know.
    I liked NRS system where they would group a set of DLC and sale it with the characters being known.

    Yes it can be more expensive to some degree but at least you know what you are buying.
    This way you can pick and choose who to buy.

    To sum it up in one word. Choices.

    When you're making a bad choice, but go through with it anyway, what are you really accomplishing?

    Well, I think there's something to be said about supporting a greater cause than just a company.

    Supporting Capcpom's schemes is the exact opposite of supporting the FGC.

    The community deserves better.

    I only half agree with you here. The community does deserve better from Capcom. I'm not the biggest fan of how SFV launched (arcade mode aside) or works in general. But at the same time, Capcom remains the pillar of the community. Have they gotten kinda lax in that position? Absolutely. But until something comes along that knocks them off that pedestal, that's what we have. I'm not saying that you should just bend over and take what they give you, but that unless the community as a whole actually comes together and jumps ship to a different game, nothing is gonna change. There are a ton of competitive fighters that want to be played and enjoyed, but let's keep complaining about Capcom, right?

    Now, while we know a decent amount about the game, we don't know everything. By the time SFV launched, we pretty much knew everything that came with the game. Compared to MVCI, we know jack shit outside of like 6 or 7 characters and half the gems. I've always been an advocate for waiting until all or a sufficient amount of information is available. They might have the greatest roster in any FG right out the box, but we're gonna give the game flack for saying that 6 of them aren't in the game off the bat? Come on.

    I agree. Capcom has indeed messed up but dropping their support will make them worse. They have the base skills to get a good quality fighters to casual and hardcore players. They need more support now than ever. They need to listen to more suggestions from others and take notes from other fighting games.

    I see this post or something similar every Capcpom pre-release cycle. It always ends badly... Don't trust the throne of lies known as Capcpom.
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  • PSYCH0J0SHPSYCH0J0SH Joined: Posts: 5,469
    k4polo wrote: »
    drwill439 wrote: »
    po pimpus wrote: »
    drwill439 wrote: »
    po pimpus wrote: »
    k4polo wrote: »
    I supported it. But only because I support FGC, Esports, etc.

    In general, this concept is pretty bad. Pay season pass for 5 DLC characters that we do not know.
    I liked NRS system where they would group a set of DLC and sale it with the characters being known.

    Yes it can be more expensive to some degree but at least you know what you are buying.
    This way you can pick and choose who to buy.

    To sum it up in one word. Choices.

    When you're making a bad choice, but go through with it anyway, what are you really accomplishing?

    Well, I think there's something to be said about supporting a greater cause than just a company.

    Supporting Capcpom's schemes is the exact opposite of supporting the FGC.

    The community deserves better.

    I only half agree with you here. The community does deserve better from Capcom. I'm not the biggest fan of how SFV launched (arcade mode aside) or works in general. But at the same time, Capcom remains the pillar of the community. Have they gotten kinda lax in that position? Absolutely. But until something comes along that knocks them off that pedestal, that's what we have. I'm not saying that you should just bend over and take what they give you, but that unless the community as a whole actually comes together and jumps ship to a different game, nothing is gonna change. There are a ton of competitive fighters that want to be played and enjoyed, but let's keep complaining about Capcom, right?

    Now, while we know a decent amount about the game, we don't know everything. By the time SFV launched, we pretty much knew everything that came with the game. Compared to MVCI, we know jack shit outside of like 6 or 7 characters and half the gems. I've always been an advocate for waiting until all or a sufficient amount of information is available. They might have the greatest roster in any FG right out the box, but we're gonna give the game flack for saying that 6 of them aren't in the game off the bat? Come on.

    I agree. Capcom has indeed messed up but dropping their support will make them worse. They have the base skills to get a good quality fighters to casual and hardcore players. They need more support now than ever. They need to listen to more suggestions from others and take notes from other fighting games.

    Get your shilling ass out of here.

    They don't need 'more support', they need to get their heads out of their asses and stop trying to screw over their customers with incomplete and lackluster products.
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    I'm hoping that the Sigma x Mega Man MU is 9:1 in Sigma's favour.
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  • Evolution169Evolution169 Wake up DP is unbeatable Joined: Posts: 1,041
    po pimpus wrote: »
    I mean, if you're going to allow one person's harmless opinions to have such influence over your life that you would spend $200+ in a vain attempt to piss them off, maybe your priorities are a little bit off...

    Looks like he succeeded. You're obviously super salty about it.
  • po pimpuspo pimpus Let's Hit the Climax! Joined: Posts: 24,815
    Yes, I'm so salty... Not a single "fuck" to be had anywhere in that post.
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  • Evolution169Evolution169 Wake up DP is unbeatable Joined: Posts: 1,041
    po pimpus wrote: »
    Yes, I'm so salty... Not a single "fuck" to be had anywhere in that post.

    Whoa calm down. No need to be hostile.
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  • MageggMagegg Joined: Posts: 3,860
    edited May 5
    Seeing the level and amount of quality content the SoulCalibur and Tekken games usually offer, I could see no one defending Capcom releasing DLC at launch because of "high development costs".

    At least Injustice 2, like SC and Tekken, features truly AAA graphics (MvC:I is at best, AA½) and also features a way more complex and elaborate (and expensive, we can be sure) game system with the gear and so, that means more hours of fun for single player experience.
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