Video Game General 5.0: The Game Awards 2017 Dec 7th @ 5:30 PM PT/ 8:30 PM ET

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  • drizzt360drizzt360 In the shadows I hide-ppd Joined: Posts: 7,012 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    I like that in Red Dead Redemption shit is always going on, even when you're just riding from one place to the other. You'll be riding and hear gunshots so you look around and see two dudes chasing after some other dude. Its two law dudes after an outlaw. You go after the outlaw and rope him and ride him back to the law. You drop him down and one of the cops just executes the dude. You think its funny then suddenly a cougar eats your horse and the cops then turns on you...
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  • po pimpuspo pimpus Beyond Anger... Ultra Rage Joined: Posts: 25,990
    po pimpus wrote: »
    Eskills wrote: »
    Multiplats can go shitbox, ps4 and PC but if they say the Switch is too weak for them to port it's cause they are lazy and greedy.

    Stfu Po.

    I wonder if you're aware that you blindly shill for Nintendo the way deviljin shills MvCi.

    If you guys had the balls to shit on Capcpom the way you constantly do Nintendo, we might have gotten a Marvel game worth a damn instead of Infinite DLC.

    The more you deflect, the more apparent it becomes that you are indeed blindly defending the company.

    Let's try to stay on topic.

    Since we already know why you think 3rd party devs don't put their games on Nintendo consoles, tell us why Nintendo consistently releases consoles weaker than their competitors' even when theirs comes out afterwards.

    I already spelled this out for you, and a casual glance at the current market should tell you that power ain't worth a shit.

    If it were, the NES wouldn't have lasted as long as it did, and the SNES and Genesis should have lost to the NEO GEO.

    If power was all that was needed, people wouldn't be going insane over the NES and SNES Mini.

    Power when properly utilized enhances what should already be there- strong, well-made software.

    The original Pokemon games are a coding mess, but they spawned a billion dollar franchise... There are a ton of PS 1, N64, and Dreamcast games that have aged like stale milk that no one even wants to look at now because all anyone cared about was polygons, yet Symphony of the Night still looks decent.

    Power don't mean shit.
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  • DrellyFishDrellyFish Joined: Posts: 4,537
    Tbh in regards to Nintendo 3rd party, devs just have to make shit that appeals to what people buy Nintendo consoles for. Like even if say the Switch had ps4 install or even x1 install base, i still dont think that stuff like A. Creed, Destiny and etc would sell on those consoles because i doesnt appeal to Nintendo fans. Same thing with jrpgs on xbox. Nintendo fans like cartoony shit. Even someone is a multi console owner, they would still prefer the cartoony shit on the Nintendo console vs a ps or xbox. I mean SEGA even said Sonic performs better with the Nintendo audience, and you see how he looks compared to a GTA character or etc.

    But whether or not devs wanna take that time and gamble to make Nintendo-appealing games when its much safer to make a Destiny or etc for the other consoles where theres guaranteed sales, is totally up to the dev
  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 23,793
    edited July 7
    I already spelled this out for you, and a casual glance at the current market should tell you that power ain't worth a shit.
    PS3 early life cycle proved that, but they edged out on top near the end.
    If it were, the NES wouldn't have lasted as long as it did
    it lasted as long as it did as Nintendo had near no competition in 1985 In the US. The Video Game Crash of 1983 left the market broken, Nintendo decided to market the NES as an Appliance not a Toy, which why they were successful when Atari failed. And Nintendo used alot of unfair and unscrupulous business practices that would never fly today.
    and the SNES and Genesis should have lost to the NEO GEO.
    Actually the Neo Geo was way too over priced, and the US distributors didn't know shit about marketing.
    If power was all that was needed, people wouldn't be going insane over the NES and SNES Mini.
    Nostalgia is a thing.
    The original Pokemon games are a coding mess, but they spawned a billion dollar franchise...
    The original Red and Green Japanese carts were a mess, the US Red and Blue that Iwata fixed was fine.
    There are a ton of PS 1, N64, and Dreamcast games that have aged like stale milk that no one even wants to look at now because all anyone cared about was polygons, yet Symphony of the Night still looks decent.
    Unrelated to the debate
    Power don't mean shit.
    Actually it does, it means alot to the devs and to the gamers. otherwise we wouldn't have graphic whores.

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  • Phantom AngelPhantom Angel The Divine One™ Joined: Posts: 27,380
    po pimpus wrote: »
    po pimpus wrote: »
    Eskills wrote: »
    Multiplats can go shitbox, ps4 and PC but if they say the Switch is too weak for them to port it's cause they are lazy and greedy.

    Stfu Po.

    I wonder if you're aware that you blindly shill for Nintendo the way deviljin shills MvCi.

    If you guys had the balls to shit on Capcpom the way you constantly do Nintendo, we might have gotten a Marvel game worth a damn instead of Infinite DLC.

    The more you deflect, the more apparent it becomes that you are indeed blindly defending the company.

    Let's try to stay on topic.

    Since we already know why you think 3rd party devs don't put their games on Nintendo consoles, tell us why Nintendo consistently releases consoles weaker than their competitors' even when theirs comes out afterwards.

    I already spelled this out for you, and a casual glance at the current market should tell you that power ain't worth a shit.

    If it were, the NES wouldn't have lasted as long as it did, and the SNES and Genesis should have lost to the NEO GEO.

    If power was all that was needed, people wouldn't be going insane over the NES and SNES Mini.

    Power when properly utilized enhances what should already be there- strong, well-made software.

    The original Pokemon games are a coding mess, but they spawned a billion dollar franchise... There are a ton of PS 1, N64, and Dreamcast games that have aged like stale milk that no one even wants to look at now because all anyone cared about was polygons, yet Symphony of the Night still looks decent.

    Power don't mean shit.

    You didn't answer the question.

    Power means a lot when an artist has a vision that can only be realized under specific conditions. If I want my game to perform a certain way, I'm going to gravitate to the platform that allows it to perform that way. Why water it down or adjust it to fit a platform that doesn't even want it? It doesn't make me lazy or greedy, but a person with standards. Hell, if anyone's greedy, it's Nintendo for releasing all that overpriced trash they call a console and it's peripherals.

    I'm not saying that power makes a game or console good, so we can stop with that narrative.
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  • HawkingbirdHawkingbird I am thou...thou art I Joined: Posts: 26,526
    edited July 7
    po pimpus wrote: »

    I already spelled this out for you, and a casual glance at the current market should tell you that power ain't worth a shit.

    Microsoft wouldn't be pushing 6 teraflops for the Xbone X, Sega won't have use blast processing for their marketing for the Genesis and Nintendo wouldn't have named a console after how many bits it's capable of if powerful hardware didn't appeal to people.
    po pimpus wrote: »
    If it were, the NES wouldn't have lasted as long as it did, and the SNES and Genesis should have lost to the NEO GEO.

    Neo Geo console and it's games were expansive af. The fucking thing was $649 when they released the AES in 91.
    po pimpus wrote: »
    If power was all that was needed, people wouldn't be going insane over the NES and SNES Mini.

    Nostalgia sold those plug-in plays
    po pimpus wrote: »
    Power don't mean shit.

    The Switch wouldn't be struggling to get third party games if that were true.
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  • crotchpunchacrotchpuncha Joined: Posts: 21,881
    edited July 7
    Gasaraki wrote: »
    Started witcher 3 and logged in a few hours last night. So uhh why does the "light" attack look like it should also be a heavy attack? Dude spins and shit before he swings the sword. The controls are kind of ass imo, but I'm getting use to it. Other than that the game is pretty good so far.
    Because the Witcher fighting style described in the books is like a dance with lots of pirouettes and spins. It's lore accurate to the source material.

    And that's cool, but a light attack taking more time to animate than a heavy attack is nonsense.
    Except that's not how It works...Light attacks execute faster and recover faster then heavies do.
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  • po pimpuspo pimpus Beyond Anger... Ultra Rage Joined: Posts: 25,990
    The funny thing is outside of Horizon, who is even pushing the power we have now?

    I don't see shit out now that couldn't be on a PS3 or 360. This "artists vision" shit is a smokescreen.

    Dudes hadn't even fully tapped what last gen could do before talking about they needed more, aka, "we don't have any innovative ideas, so let's push for a new gen to buy time".
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  • Phantom AngelPhantom Angel The Divine One™ Joined: Posts: 27,380
    More sidestepping.....

    Eh, fuck it. I think the FFXIV maintenance is over now, so back to that.
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  • HawkingbirdHawkingbird I am thou...thou art I Joined: Posts: 26,526
    360 was tapped out by the time we got Gears 3.
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  • po pimpuspo pimpus Beyond Anger... Ultra Rage Joined: Posts: 25,990
    edited July 7
    I guess PS4 and Xbone are tapped too since no one can maintain stable framerates and fidelity...

    Oh, and all fighters have native 5+ frames of input lag for whatever reason.
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  • crotchpunchacrotchpuncha Joined: Posts: 21,881
    edited July 7
    Damn then the Switch must be completely fucked.
    It's not the end of the world, but you can see it from here.
  • HawkingbirdHawkingbird I am thou...thou art I Joined: Posts: 26,526
    edited July 7
    po pimpus wrote: »
    Oh, and all fighters have native 5+ frames of input lag for whatever reason.



    Seriously, are you actually going to rebuttal or will you continue to sidestep shit?
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  • po pimpuspo pimpus Beyond Anger... Ultra Rage Joined: Posts: 25,990
    Damn then the Switch must be completely fucked.

    Didn't you know? It's all fucked.

    If you can't do 4k and have a real Porsche, your game is useless!

    Who cares about how shit plays or if it's fun and fully featured, only power and how much you make off DLC matters!
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  • crotchpunchacrotchpuncha Joined: Posts: 21,881
    edited July 7
    I dunno man cuz I have a lot of fun playing these games, you seem to be the one super hung up on performance, and frame rates, and constantly talking about what these machines can do instead of just playing games and talking about the games you play.

    Xrd only has 3 frames of lag by the way.
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  • po pimpuspo pimpus Beyond Anger... Ultra Rage Joined: Posts: 25,990
    edited July 7
    I dunno man cuz I have a lot of fun playing these games, you seem to be the one super hung up on performance, and frame rates, and constantly talking about what these machines can do instead of just playing games and talking about the games you play.

    Xrd only has 3 frames of lag by the way.

    Xrd only has 3 frames because ArcSys gives a damn and tries to optimise performance.

    I play plenty and only get "hung up" when someone brings up how "weak" a console is as if that has any meaning.
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  • HawkingbirdHawkingbird I am thou...thou art I Joined: Posts: 26,526
    edited July 7
    po pimpus wrote: »
    I dunno man cuz I have a lot of fun playing these games, you seem to be the one super hung up on performance, and frame rates, and constantly talking about what these machines can do instead of just playing games and talking about the games you play.

    Xrd only has 3 frames of lag by the way.

    Xrd only has 3 frames because ArcSys gives a damn and tries to optimise performance.

    It has 3 frames because Xrd it's on Unreal 3. SFV and Tekken 7 are on UE4 which according to Harada is adding the extra lag. Guess which engine DBFZ is using?
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  • crotchpunchacrotchpuncha Joined: Posts: 21,881
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    Why do you give a fuck? Why you so damn petty? Like dude that's so fucking stupid. Who gives a shit? He said dumb ass bullshit, who fucking cares? Why do you care?

    Like he personally assaulted you or some dumb shit. Come on man you smarter then this. Just play games ma, who gives a fuck if someone has some dumb ads opinion.
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  • po pimpuspo pimpus Beyond Anger... Ultra Rage Joined: Posts: 25,990
    People bring up power, and I ask, "If you're so powerful, why can't you do 60fps as a baseline standard?"

    Seems simple enough... Same reason why I don't understand the hype for UE 4 if it's adding all this input delay, when Xrd looks perfectly fine without it.
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    You know why they dont do 60fps as a baseline, why are you asking questions you know the answer to cuz you sure a shit know it really has very little to do with power. Every single one of these consoles can do 60fps when the developer gives a shit about hitting that benchmark. Why the stupid fucking question?
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  • po pimpuspo pimpus Beyond Anger... Ultra Rage Joined: Posts: 25,990
    You know why they dont do 60fps as a baseline, why are you asking questions you know the answer to cuz you sure a shit know it really has very little to do with power. Every single one of these consoles can do 60fps when the developer gives a shit about hitting that benchmark. Why the stupid fucking question?

    Thank you.

    Power. Does. Not. Matter.
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    edited July 7
    po pimpus wrote: »
    You know why they dont do 60fps as a baseline, why are you asking questions you know the answer to cuz you sure a shit know it really has very little to do with power. Every single one of these consoles can do 60fps when the developer gives a shit about hitting that benchmark. Why the stupid fucking question?

    Thank you.

    Power. Does. Not. Matter.

    *sigh*

    Po....

    In order for frame rate to hit a certain point and remain consistent, the platform has to have good enough hardware. Devs can choose to prioritize frame rate so it remains consistent if the platform can't handle it, and that's done through cutting corners elsewhere. When a platform has enough power, you don't have to make those sacrifices. It's a limitation. It's why you have to turn down your graphics settings on PC to have a decent experience in most games if your computer is shit. It's either that or upgrade your hardware.

    So, yea. The devs can push out 60fps consistently if they want to, but they'll have to cut corners if the console isn't powerful enough. It's a matter of priority in that scenario.
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    po pimpus wrote: »
    People bring up power, and I ask, "If you're so powerful, why can't you do 60fps as a baseline standard?"

    Seems simple enough... Same reason why I don't understand the hype for UE 4 if it's adding all this input delay, when Xrd looks perfectly fine without it.

    Nintendo ain't hitting that baseline themselves. Breath of the Wild runs on a locked 30FPS and gets frame drops on the more dense areas. Even with the patches that hasn't gone away.
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    Yeah, like Final Fantasy
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    I think theres a miscommunication on what Po is saying about Power and what yall are saying. Well actually you guys are kinda both saying that power doesnt matter as in if devs dont use it or focus its use on boring shit.

    But i think yall are saying power matters on the basis that more power CAN obvious enhance a game, but Po is saying it doesnt matter as being on a weaker console doesnt affect a game I guess if the game is optimized built for it.
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    Reiraku wrote: »
    Yeah, like Final Fantasy

    XIV is pretty amazing. Getting my weeb on with this latest expansion.
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  • HawkingbirdHawkingbird I am thou...thou art I Joined: Posts: 26,526
    DrellyFish wrote: »
    I think theres a miscommunication on what Po is saying about Power and what yall are saying. Well actually you guys are kinda both saying that power doesnt matter as in if devs dont use it or focus its use on boring shit.

    But i think yall are saying power matters on the basis that more power CAN obvious enhance a game, but Po is saying it doesnt matter as being on a weaker console doesnt affect a game I guess if the game is optimized built for it.

    He wants to downplay the importance of the hardware to make excuses for why third parties ain't jumping on the Switch. The Switch is currently outpacing the Wii in terms of sales. Third parties will eventually get on it but the weakness of the hardware is holding things back.
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  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 23,793
    po pimpus wrote: »
    People bring up power, and I ask, "If you're so powerful, why can't you do 60fps as a baseline standard?"

    Seems simple enough... Same reason why I don't understand the hype for UE 4 if it's adding all this input delay, when Xrd looks perfectly fine without it.

    Nintendo ain't hitting that baseline themselves. Breath of the Wild runs on a locked 30FPS and gets frame drops on the more dense areas. Even with the patches that hasn't gone away.

    Interesting point but BOTW isn't optimized for the Switch, it was intended for the Wii U, hence why it has more issues docked than when it's mobile.
    DrellyFish wrote: »
    I think theres a miscommunication on what Po is saying about Power and what yall are saying. Well actually you guys are kinda both saying that power doesnt matter as in if devs dont use it or focus its use on boring shit.

    But i think yall are saying power matters on the basis that more power CAN obvious enhance a game, but Po is saying it doesnt matter as being on a weaker console doesnt affect a game I guess if the game is optimized built for it.

    He wants to downplay the importance of the hardware to make excuses for why third parties ain't jumping on the Switch. The Switch is currently outpacing the Wii in terms of sales. Third parties will eventually get on it but the weakness of the hardware is holding things back.

    Not to mention the Switch does not have that big of a Install base yet. Wait til the holidays for that thing to take off.
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    high power, low power

    the only power that matters is the power of synergy a team has with their hardware
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    Since we already know why you think 3rd party devs don't put their games on Nintendo consoles, tell us why Nintendo consistently releases consoles weaker than their competitors' even when theirs comes out afterwards.

    In the case of the Wii, they had a different idea in mind to grab a larger audience, and it worked amazingly for them...but in that era, the difference in power and the ability for teams to put their games on the console in any form was limited far too much, so third parties didn't jump on board despite the install base.

    With the Switch, they're finding another niche to be able to have a selling point for their console (which is working quite well for them so far) without competing directly with the other two. In this case, tapping into the area they're best at; portability, but while also maintaining a console presence. Of course, portability meant they'd inevitably be less powerful again.

    That, and perhaps they looked at their failures with their more powerful systems (N64, Gamecube, Wii U [for a bit]), thought "power doesn't sell, find another gimmick!", and that's where they went. Instead of looking at the real reasons why said consoles didn't do so well: N64 was powerful but cartridges were a huge limitation, Gamecube went to discs but they were tiny and STILL limited, Wii U was fine power-wise when it released but still annoying to develop for, and its poor marketing helped lead to its small install base [so devs were even less inclined to go for it] and then it got its ass kicked by PS4/Xbone.
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    po pimpus wrote: »
    People bring up power, and I ask, "If you're so powerful, why can't you do 60fps as a baseline standard?"

    Seems simple enough... Same reason why I don't understand the hype for UE 4 if it's adding all this input delay, when Xrd looks perfectly fine without it.

    Nintendo ain't hitting that baseline themselves. Breath of the Wild runs on a locked 30FPS and gets frame drops on the more dense areas. Even with the patches that hasn't gone away.

    But you know Ninty is God and can do no wrong. :rofl:
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