What's going on at Capcom?

Negative-Zer0Negative-Zer0 Joined: Posts: 9,704
Why in the hell would you obviously give the game such a short dev cycle that the devs can't even polish their game properly? Nuggets of good ideas are there but it's hampered because the game is super rushed.

Who the fuck thought that showing that chun li model on the E3 MAIN STAGE would be a good idea?

Who the fuck thought that locking characters behind a dlc paywall on a game with clearly 0 budget was a good idea? Really need to mke up the 10$ you used to make this fucking game eh capcom?

Who thought that tarnishing your own name like this over and over and over again would be a good idea. Seriously, this isn't even corproate scumbaggerry. This is straight up retarded business. You are giving people every reason to stop giving you money. I understand that maybe you lose a lot on big budget titles like MvC3 and SFxT, but that was for other reasons not because the games themselves are not profitable expenditures.

Every single capcom game since SF4 has had negative press surrounding the release because Capcom always picks the most, the MOST retarded thing to do and are surprised when there is backlash. They run the risk of us never even getting another MvC game again because they were SOOO fucking stupid with this one.

Who's gonna buy this game looking like this? Playing like this? The company feeling about us they way they do? I heard lupinko said that capcom japan doesn't even want to fund fighting games anymore. Your fighting games are your CULTURAL FUCKING STAPLES YOU IDIOTS. Even if they don't sell well, vast numbers of people will be aware of their problems and they will reflect back on you. Its like you refuse to block low even though you keep getting your legs clipped. Eventually this will spill over into your other properties, and the bad press you got here will kill those games as well.

In what universe is it good business to contually tarish the goodwill of your fanbase that loves your games?
In what universe is it good business to hire someone as PR that openly has contempt for fans?
In what universe it it good business to make it look like you as a company don't care anymore? I thought this shit was your livelihood? Do you have to go broke for you to understand?

Capcom has
  • Shortened the dev cycle to where the devs can't even fully polish their own game
  • cut of their budget to near nothingness
  • allowed them, no, made it necessary that the devs EMBARASS themselves on the mainstage on e3. You think any self respecting Developer wants to show that as their work? This is definitely a corporate decision.
Fuck how shitty their decisions are but I don't even see an endgame. Wheres this endless profit gooing to come from. Wheres the people Capcom knows are going to buy the game? ( btw @po pimpus , @DevilJin 01, @d3v and @Hawkingbird don't count, that's THREE niggas. There is no shill army on this forum dude.)

So deadass. What the fuck capcom. Is this where we are right now?
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  • Negative-Zer0Negative-Zer0 Joined: Posts: 9,704
    Very disappointed with Capcom. The fact that they expect 2 millions sells from this is laughable. I legit defended this game all throughout when there was very little to go on. After seeing that the renders looked like a bunch of meth addicts, saw that the game obviously has no official artwork, the fact that favs (Sigma and BP) were held out for DLC, and just the overall emptiness I got from the game, there's no way anyone can look at this as quality. I may like the gameplay, but that's really not the point here.

    This shit is a disgrace. Presentation matters. That seems to be lost on Capcom.

    But don't forget to Pre order!

    PreOrders don't work
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  • TebboTebbo Play. Joined: Posts: 5,711
    edited June 13
    Capcom is a pretty big company.
    They develop/produce a lot of titles.

    It seems they cruised for a bit too long and they're trying to play catch up now with some of their IPs.

    I think they need some new blood.
    Look at Nintendo.
    Splatoon was mostly a game made by their new crew. new being relative, they're not young dudes, but they've basically been apprenticing under the old heads.
    First new IP in more than a decade, system seller.
    ARMS, new IP. Dev team is mostly guys who have worked in less critical positions on other games, notably MK8.
    I think Twintelle is probably the first 'sexy' character Nintendo has ever designed. That's actually really remarkable and shows a big change in thinking.

    Nintendo seems to understand more who their fans are now. Capcom doesn't seem confident.
    They don't seem to trust their appraisal of foreign markets.

    Looking at SF5... they seem to have just taken guys from the USF4 team. Instead of pushing for some new thought, new perspectives.
    There are flashes of creativity and exciting ideas in 5. But the total package is a bit of a mess.
    Aside from combofiend. Which I think is actually a great addition for Capcom since he can help them understand the western fighting game player perspective.
    I know many want to demonize him but I think that's naive.

    I think mvci falls into a similar spot. a game made for the west, but lacking the confidence of what western players want.
    combofiend is definitely there to help guide them but i very much doubt he has enough authority to alter the schedule.
    Play more.
  • NickRocksNickRocks Knock Knock Joined: Posts: 22,876
    when has a vs series game not been rushed? they just had better style about it before is all
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  • DevilJin 01DevilJin 01 Get some shill in yo system Joined: Posts: 57,916 mod
    There should be a Capcom stream coming up in a bit. Go HAM in the chat.

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  • NickRocksNickRocks Knock Knock Joined: Posts: 22,876
    link pls
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  • DevilJin 01DevilJin 01 Get some shill in yo system Joined: Posts: 57,916 mod
    edited June 13
    Everything is below. Starts 5:30PM PST (bout 5 hours from now). You only got 15 minutes once it starts to GO HAM





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  • PSYCH0J0SHPSYCH0J0SH Joined: Posts: 5,469
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  • ruthless_nashruthless_nash Joined: Posts: 2,211
    At least its pretty comic book Gamora and not ghetta Zoe Saldana gamora
  • flickyflicky Super Nintendo Chalmers Joined: Posts: 876
    I ask the following questions:

    1) Do you know the date that this build comes from?

    2) Do you know how old or new the assets are contained in this build?

    3) Do you know what methods they implemented into the demo to ensure a steady gameplay demo experience?

    If the answer is no to all three then I'm not surprised. Often companies during development will have performance issues; frame rates, slowdown, that sort of thing. To prevent these things from showing and in order to provide a smooth experience, they will cut back on things like anti aliasing or shaders to allow the gameplay to be as stable as possible while the graphics sit on the side line until they optimise the game and can balance everything out. Complaining about the graphics on this demo is nonsensical. Look at the Rocket Raccoon and Dante part specifically, look at how many individual hairs and whiskers Rocket Raccoon has, they're all jaggied because there's minimal anti aliasing, and Dante looks like ass beause some of the effects in his specials cover the entire screen. All of this is relevant to making sure that the demo plays as smoothly as possible; plays, not looks.

    Personaly I think the game looks stunning, I love all the colours and particle effects, and I forgive the fact that the models look sloppy in the demo. I'm expecting a downgrade in graphics because to me it looks like they've aimed too high and that they couldn't at this time have both smoothing filters and steady frame rates at the same time for the demo. For a proper look at the graphics, go into HUD adjustment in options and hold triangle, you can see clearly the lack of anti aliasing especially on Ryu's model. The graphics aren't bad, they're incomplete, so stop raging so much like this is actually the finished product.
  • NecrotrophicNecrotrophic Isn't a communist. Joined: Posts: 5,943
    I think Capcom is desperate for money and theyre trying to get shit out ASAP.

    Contrasting with Nintendo, a company that has had ups and downs, they are a bigger japanese name that still pays attention to reality, even if they stumble here and there. The fact that they never went the way that Sega did means that its at least theoretically possible that large japanese developers dont need to be completely brain dead.

    Ive heard several times that Capcom Japan doesnt really want to do anything with SF anymore, and that shows they dont pay attention to reality. sf4 was a huge thing. Capcom just doesnt make any sense and unfortunately harsh lessons usually work the best, I dont think people should buy anything from them unless they actually like what they see. Dont get into that fanboy/support capcom no matter what mindset.
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  • flickyflicky Super Nintendo Chalmers Joined: Posts: 876
    It doesn't matter what the date is on the build

    It does matter. Let's say for example the engine for this build comes from 01/01/17, let's then say the current engine they've got as of this date is incomplete and not ready for a demo, they then have to revert back to an earlier version of the engine and make some compromises to make it playable and stable, such as removing anti aliasing and making the game not look as good as it actually does.
  • flickyflicky Super Nintendo Chalmers Joined: Posts: 876
    flicky wrote: »
    It doesn't matter what the date is on the build

    It does matter. Let's say for example the engine for this build comes from 01/01/17, let's then say the current engine they've got as of this date is incomplete and not ready for a demo, they then have to revert back to an earlier version of the engine and make some compromises to make it playable and stable, such as removing anti aliasing and making the game not look as good as it actually does.

    What?

    MVC:I was announced in December, it's June. They would not be going with a 1/1/17 build, that's lunacy.

    It's not lunacy, it's just an example. The point being made was that their current working engine (which by all means could look fantastic) might not have been fit for demo purposes, so they reverted back to an older one that was working so they could roll the demo out. It could be something as simple that said build had frame rate issues and they unfortunately had to drop the filters so players got a true gameplay experience, as opposed to a true visual experience.
  • DevilJin 01DevilJin 01 Get some shill in yo system Joined: Posts: 57,916 mod
    edited June 13
    They honestly don't have much time to do anything with 3 months to go. Don't think corporate is gonna budge on the release date. We'll see if Ono has any magic. Other than that the bad game releases on the 19th.

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  • flickyflicky Super Nintendo Chalmers Joined: Posts: 876
    edited June 13
    Hecatom wrote: »
    flicky wrote: »
    LMAO

    Now we have people making alternate accounts to defend this pos, lmao.

    Lol, there's nothing to be embarrased about. Besdes rip offs, I refuse to believe that some people are downright absolute morons. A game with masses of memory hogging high detail particle effects, but crappy looking models. What could they do? The gameplay trailers speak different words, they show gameplay with actual anti aliasing, and they've had 6 months to work with the game since then and another 3 months to go to figure out how to optimise it. If making the characters look like ass was their solution then I'll eat my own shit. The demo lacks AA, that's it, that's why it looks like crap, there's nothing wrong with "the graphics"... besides Chun'Li's nose.
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  • NoChartNoChart When the urgency strikes you, you better not lose your nerve. Joined: Posts: 935
    Yeah, I don't see this game doing well, despite the fact that it looks like a blast to play. There's just not enough in the presentation here to make the average gamer excited for it, and the visuals are literally mobile game level. I will bitch about Injustice's stiff-ass animations and wedding-ring level commitment on strings for all time, but NRS gets how to put a complete package together for the average audience. I don't play NRS games, but I see the appeal for sure.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm getting this game. Gameplay looks fucking fantastic and the gem stuff is hype as hell for the dirty boys and girls of the FGC, but this just feels like the desperate flailings of a company with nothing concrete to offer. Anyone can see that this project looks cobbled together. I really hope Capcom has some luck with other IPs so they can afford to revise their approach to fighting games down the line.

    Who knows, maybe this game will be a cult hit with the FGC and it can have its own post-mortem life like SFxT.

    Thankfully, it looks like almost every other company the develops fighting games is coming out swinging. We have a metric ton of alternatives until(or if) Capcom gets its shit together.
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  • TebboTebbo Play. Joined: Posts: 5,711
    a mobile game?
    hyperbole is fun but cmon

    the characters, isolated, look janky as fuck.
    the fx are awesome though.

    to me it looks way better than mvc3 at least.
    but i don't play mvc because it's stupid as hell.
    Play more.
  • flickyflicky Super Nintendo Chalmers Joined: Posts: 876
    jblair wrote: »
    This thread belongs on 2006 srk tbh

    Na this is full on 2008 SRK shenanigans.
  • flickyflicky Super Nintendo Chalmers Joined: Posts: 876
    edited June 13
    Hecatom wrote: »
    snip

    I'm waiting for you to either tell me or post pics of the entire cast instead of just cherry picking four photos. So Chris looks like Rocky Balboa and Dante looks like he's on meth, that's four out of how many? Game still isn't finished and no one knows how old these assets are, and none of this shit matters anyway while you're actually playing. Do the title screen models look bad to you?
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  • TebboTebbo Play. Joined: Posts: 5,711
    edited June 13
    dante is incredible.

    the lighting etc.
    their decisions for rendering are just baffling. it makes the characters look really bad.
    characters have their own baked in lighting. but like, really fucking bad lighting.
    Play more.
  • HecatomHecatom Aka Black Gorilla (・Д・)ノ Joined: Posts: 23,790
    edited June 13
    Do the title screen models look bad to you?

    I have seen budget 2005 porn games with better graphics, so yeah, they look terrible.
    Also stop trying man, i know that you are here to try to do damage control.
    But this is a lose battle. You are not convicing us that the graphics look fine, or that we should wait and see how they will get better, we know that it isn't happening.
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  • flickyflicky Super Nintendo Chalmers Joined: Posts: 876
    edited June 13
    Hecatom wrote: »
    Do the title screen models look bad to you?

    I have seen budget 2005 porn games with better graphics, so yeah, they look terrible.
    Also stop trying man, i know that you are here to try to do damage control.
    But this is a lose battle. You are not convicing us that the graphics look fine, or that we should wait and see how they will get better, we know that it isn't happening.

    I can't tell whether you're paranoid or deluded, or both. You're a software engineer, what puts more strain on a system, 3D models or particle effects? They've had 6 months to fix this shit and another 3 months to go, if they couldn't get a steady fps with anti aliasing what would they have turned to first as a solution? The 3D models or the particle effects? All the bling looks gorgous, the characters are all jaggied, that's the difference, I'm not gonna give a shit about Dante's eyeball when I'm playing the game, and I doubt anyone else will too. All the trailers look good, the demo is a demo.
  • HecatomHecatom Aka Black Gorilla (・Д・)ノ Joined: Posts: 23,790
    edited June 13
    flicky wrote: »
    shit

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