Games that haven't aged well.

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  • BB_HoodyBB_Hoody Nice plane you have there. Be a Shame if something went wrong in flight and it crashed Joined: Posts: 4,711
    Not sure about games. But as far as characters go. Sonic The Hedgehog. That dude just never left the 90s.
  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 22,471
    BB_Hoody wrote: »
    Not sure about games. But as far as characters go. Sonic The Hedgehog. That dude just never left the 90s.

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  • purbeastpurbeast Joined: Posts: 4,684
    It's kind of interesting to think that N64 games have not aged as well as SNES games even though SNES is older than it. It pretty much has to do with the polygons vs. sprites though. Still interesting nonetheless.
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    purbeast wrote: »
    It's kind of interesting to think that N64 games have not aged as well as SNES games even though SNES is older than it. It pretty much has to do with the polygons vs. sprites though. Still interesting nonetheless.

    Like 1970s decore looks more dated than 1920s decore.
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  • NaerasNaeras Terribad Joined: Posts: 3,323
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    Tales of Symphonia. I loved the game when it came out, but it didn't stand the test of time very well. Combat system is a lot more clunky, but the dialogue and main characters are bland as hell. The fact that the actually interesting characters (Raine, Zelos, Sheena, Regal, Presea) are kept somewhat in the background compared to the kiddie gang (Lloyd, Genis, Colette) really annoys me too. It's still a better game than most JRPGs, but for an 80-hour game I completed 7-8 times as a teenager, it's pretty disappointing that I can hardly even play it for an hour anymore.

    Crash Bandicoot-series. The reboot really hammered that in. A lot of the difficulty in those games come from straight bad controls and camera, not from interesting and challenging design.

    Half-Life 2. Yes, I said it. I tried it for the first time in 2009, and immediately thought that this wasn't anything special. It was groundbreaking when it came out, but other games have executed what it did well way better (shoutouts to Ocarina of Time, another "greatest of all time"-game that deserves the same criticism).

    I have a bunch of others, so I can keep on going later.

    Oh, and after reading through the last page: Majora's Mask has aged better than Ocarina of Time. The latter was great because it made huge innovations and successfully brought Zelda into 3D, but anything outside of the dungeons is... pretty bland. It's gotten surpassed in most ways. MM has some fundamental issues (saving system uggggh) but it stands out because it has a lot more personality to it.
  • MillionMillion King of Creeps Joined: Posts: 10,442 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    sheeeeit, how 'bout Double Dragon? I couldn't get enough of it back in the day (the NES version)...but I'd never play that shit now. Years later in the Genesis/SNES era we'd get Streets of Rage, which was superior in every way.

    in the "Ugly ass polygons" category:
    the original Virtua Fighter
    Tekken
    Battle Arena Toshinden (*WHY can't they remake this with today's graphics/tech?!!? I'd be all over a new Toshinden)
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    Resident Evil 4. Not because its a bad game mind you, but because the shits been ported so many times I'm pretty sure we're all sick of seeing it.
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  • atiradoratirador It means "shooter", don't ask Joined: Posts: 1,599
    Most of the games here were never good in the first place: Sonic and Half-Life are two examples of games that were never good, so bad games will never age well

    A good game that I loved back in the day but it's pretty much unplayable today is the original Resident Evil. Even the RE1 Remake (that was remastered for current consoles) is bad.
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    REmake is pretty amazing in my opinion.
    I couldn't stand to play the original RE anymore. Way too much ammo, way too easy.
    Crimson heads were done well and the voice overs, while still not amazing, are not as laughable anymore.
    The little side story with the girl is whatever, but doesn't distract too much.
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  • NecrotrophicNecrotrophic Isn't a communist. Joined: Posts: 5,878
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    remake is nearly perfect, it just left out one important thing




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  • FrostyAUFrostyAU Lynx in your sinks Joined: Posts: 7,951
    Perfect Dark. That game for it's time was incredible but man it looks like ass today.
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    atirador wrote: »
    Most of the games here were never good in the first place: Sonic and Half-Life are two examples of games that were never good, so bad games will never age well

    A good game that I loved back in the day but it's pretty much unplayable today is the original Resident Evil. Even the RE1 Remake (that was remastered for current consoles) is bad.

    Why do you think Half-Life is a bad game?
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    Tekken 1
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    Tekken 1 looked like garbage even when it was new. Virtua Fighter blew it out of the water.
  • NeverYouMindNeverYouMind Joined: Posts: 670
    Maybe I have a high tolerance for dated gameplay design and graphics, but Ocarina of Time (with extra draw distance on GC/Wii), Resident Evil 1, Virtua Fighter 1, and Crash Bandicoot still look good to me and play just as well.
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  • BB_HoodyBB_Hoody Nice plane you have there. Be a Shame if something went wrong in flight and it crashed Joined: Posts: 4,711
    atirador wrote: »
    Most of the games here were never good in the first place: Sonic and Half-Life are two examples of games that were never good, so bad games will never age well

    A good game that I loved back in the day but it's pretty much unplayable today is the original Resident Evil. Even the RE1 Remake (that was remastered for current consoles) is bad.

    I still stand by that the character didn't age well, but how can you sit there and say Sonic games including the Og trilogy where never good???
  • atiradoratirador It means "shooter", don't ask Joined: Posts: 1,599
    atirador wrote: »
    Most of the games here were never good in the first place: Sonic and Half-Life are two examples of games that were never good, so bad games will never age well

    A good game that I loved back in the day but it's pretty much unplayable today is the original Resident Evil. Even the RE1 Remake (that was remastered for current consoles) is bad.

    Why do you think Half-Life is a bad game?

    Back in the 90s and early 00s I was still "trying" to like FPS (I gave up on that now) and I played a little bit of Doom, Quake, Duke Nukem 3D and a few ohters. I even finished the first FEAR. I played HL1 for about 2h before giving up. The story/cutscenes were too long and annoying and the gameplay was terrible in the beginning (I still have nightmares about using a crowbar to kill weird crawling creatures that looked like rejects from Aliens). I just couldn't stand it anymore

    I like Portal 1 and 2, though.
    BB_Hoody wrote: »
    atirador wrote: »
    Most of the games here were never good in the first place: Sonic and Half-Life are two examples of games that were never good, so bad games will never age well

    A good game that I loved back in the day but it's pretty much unplayable today is the original Resident Evil. Even the RE1 Remake (that was remastered for current consoles) is bad.

    I still stand by that the character didn't age well, but how can you sit there and say Sonic games including the Og trilogy where never good???

    I never liked the pace of the game, I guess. You're supposed to go as fast as possible in some areas and then jump very carefully in others... it's a weird game for me. I was never able to play more than a level or two. On the other hand I loved Super Mario World.

    For me Sonic is only a "good game" considering the shitty catalog of Genesis games. It's like some N64 games were only "good" when you consider that most of that console's librabry were trashy 3D games

    I doubt Sonic 1, 2 or 3 would be that "iconic" if they were released on the SNES.
  • NaerasNaeras Terribad Joined: Posts: 3,323
    Maybe I have a high tolerance for dated gameplay design and graphics, but Ocarina of Time (with extra draw distance on GC/Wii), Resident Evil 1, Virtua Fighter 1, and Crash Bandicoot still look good to me and play just as well.
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    Despite what I said earlier, I still think OoT is a very good game, and the visuals are by all means functional. It's just that, if I had to play through an old 3D Zelda game, it'd be downprioritized to several later 3D Zeldas (notably Wind Waker, Twilight Princess and Majora's Mask) which I think expanded and improved on what OoT first did and are thus more enjoyable overall.

    I never really liked the controls in earlier Resident Evil-games. Crash Bandicoot looks just fine and has loads of personality, but the controls and camera angles annoy me to no end. It's not terrible, but I can't help but compare it to a certain other platformer that was released in 1996. Reminds us pretty clearly that the N64 had an analogue stick at that time, and that the PS1 didn't.
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    I'm inclined to say N64...but I went to a swap meet last weekend, and saw a video game section with a bunch of systems and a TV. There was a kid playing Super Mario 64 on the N64 in Tick Tock Clock...not on Wii, but on N64.

    Man it was a flashback to 1996.
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  • eviljevilj Joined: Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    purbeast wrote: »
    It's kind of interesting to think that N64 games have not aged as well as SNES games even though SNES is older than it. It pretty much has to do with the polygons vs. sprites though. Still interesting nonetheless.

    Yup, every few years I replay Donkey Kong Country 2, maybe Super Metroid.

    Ocarina of Time and Majora's mask have not aged well to me.
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  • locoghoullocoghoul Fuck Chun Joined: Posts: 3,722
    Imma say yall focused on the wrong aspects of the question. Of course anything that sorta relied on graphics will be terribly outdated now. Think about sports games and shooters.

    It will be more interesting to bring up other discussion arguments like very few have (difficulty level on Ocarina, etc)

    No shit a 1st gen PS1 fighter looks like ass, it's been 20 years. Some old games still hold up due to mechanics, good control and fun factor though. I would still play Earthworm Jim 2 on the SNES/Sega Genesis.
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  • NecrotrophicNecrotrophic Isn't a communist. Joined: Posts: 5,878
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    I like tank controls, but it depends. If the atmosphere of the game benefits then I say use them. Old re had great cinematic shots that made the games better.
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  • atiradoratirador It means "shooter", don't ask Joined: Posts: 1,599
    Pong, Pac-Man, Galaga, Frogger, Super Mario Bros, and Tetris are timeless as far as I am concerned.
    atirador wrote: »
    For me Sonic is only a "good game" considering the shitty catalog of Genesis games.
    Genesis catalogue is epic, especially if you take into consideration the backwards compatibility with Master System and 32x expansion. There is nothing on the SNES like Alisia Dragoon, Outrun, Virtua Fighter, LOTUS II, Zero Tolerance, Road Rash II, Langrisser II, or QuackShot.

    SNES has Top Gear 1 and 2 and it blows OutRun out of this universe

    All the rest is pretty much crap or games that I never heard about it so they're probably crap too

    And Virtua Fighter (even the superior arcade version) is probably one of the best examples of games that didn't aged well. Not only the graphics are terrible (wich is perfectly excusable considering the time it was released) but the gameplay is pretty much terrible too.

    I dare you or any FG fan, even VF players, to play that game today and have fun. I dare you! And I'm not even talking about playing competitively, of course...

    VF was a pioneer, I agree, but so was SFII and pretty much anyone can enjoy SFII even today.

    Tekken 1 is also far more enjoyable than VF1 today
  • locoghoullocoghoul Fuck Chun Joined: Posts: 3,722
    locoghoul wrote: »
    Imma say yall focused on the wrong aspects of the question. Of course anything that sorta relied on graphics will be terribly outdated now. Think about sports games and shooters.

    It will be more interesting to bring up other discussion arguments like very few have (difficulty level on Ocarina, etc)

    No shit a 1st gen PS1 fighter looks like ass, it's been 20 years. Some old games still hold up due to mechanics, good control and fun factor though. I would still play Earthworm Jim 2 on the SNES/Sega Genesis.
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  • NeverYouMindNeverYouMind Joined: Posts: 670
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    @atirador

    LOTUS II blows Top Gear out of existence. Both Road Rash II and Outrun are arcade racers with obstacles and atmosphere that are not comparable to plain track racing. That is not even mentioning Virtua Racing Deluxe and Skitchin', which I forgot to mention.

    I play Virtua Fighter 1 every couple of weeks. I would rather play Virtua Fighter 1 than 2, due to greater responsiveness, balancing, and better AI (can't beat everything with low kick and almost nothing else). The audio and gameplay are strong enough to make it worth replaying (although Fighter's Megamix is a huge improvement on the VF cast and is arguably better than Virtua Fighter 3). Tekken 1 is infinitely worse as block stun makes anything other than whiff punishing impossible and it has no merits beside an overhead camera mode. Even Tekken 2's gameplay design is not as strong, even if visuals are better and audio is on par despite all the improvements to throws, combos, speed, and responsiveness.

    You have the worlwide web at your fingertips to educate yourself on any games you do not know. Even then you should know that Nintendo's business practices back in the day drove many 3rd party developers to create better Genesis ports of their games.
  • AlphaCharlieAlphaCharlie Joined: Posts: 1,035
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    @atirador

    LOTUS II blows Top Gear out of existence. Both Road Rash II and Outrun are arcade racers with obstacles and atmosphere that are not comparable to plain track racing. That is not even mentioning Virtua Racing Deluxe and Skitchin', which I forgot to mention.

    I play Virtua Fighter 1 every couple of weeks. I would rather play Virtua Fighter 1 than 2, due to greater responsiveness, balancing, and better AI (can't beat everything with low kick and almost nothing else). The audio and gameplay are strong enough to make it worth replaying (although Fighter's Megamix is a huge improvement on the VF cast and is arguably better than Virtua Fighter 3). Tekken 1 is infinitely worse as block stun makes anything other than whiff punishing impossible and it has no merits beside an overhead camera mode. Even Tekken 2's gameplay design is not as strong, even if visuals are better and audio is on par despite all the improvements to throws, combos, speed, and responsiveness.

    You have the worlwide web at your fingertips to educate yourself on any games you do not know. Even then you should know that Nintendo's business practices back in the day drove many 3rd party developers to create better Genesis ports of their games.


    I prefer Virtua Fighter 1 simply because i've always loved the "futuristic" graphical/art style. Ever since i first saw it in arcades back in the day. VF1 is one of the reasons i wanted a Saturn so badly in 1995.

    Also the soundtrack is still awesome to this day. Even the "continue" music is epic.

  • eviljevilj Joined: Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    @atirador

    LOTUS II blows Top Gear out of existence. Both Road Rash II and Outrun are arcade racers with obstacles and atmosphere that are not comparable to plain track racing. That is not even mentioning Virtua Racing Deluxe and Skitchin', which I forgot to mention.

    I play Virtua Fighter 1 every couple of weeks. I would rather play Virtua Fighter 1 than 2, due to greater responsiveness, balancing, and better AI (can't beat everything with low kick and almost nothing else). The audio and gameplay are strong enough to make it worth replaying (although Fighter's Megamix is a huge improvement on the VF cast and is arguably better than Virtua Fighter 3). Tekken 1 is infinitely worse as block stun makes anything other than whiff punishing impossible and it has no merits beside an overhead camera mode. Even Tekken 2's gameplay design is not as strong, even if visuals are better and audio is on par despite all the improvements to throws, combos, speed, and responsiveness.

    You have the worlwide web at your fingertips to educate yourself on any games you do not know. Even then you should know that Nintendo's business practices back in the day drove many 3rd party developers to create better Genesis ports of their games.

    This thread is turning into a SNES vs GENESIS thread.

    You're definitely a genesis head. I'm an SNES head. I haven't heard of any of those games you mentioned in the first post.

    I just looked up lotus ii to figure out what that was. Then I looked up Top Gear. what exactly makes it so much better ? (serious question) .

    OutRun was beastly though, I used to lose money on that after watching a movie at the theatre.

    Skitchin...now that was a great genesis game.
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    What was that Genesis game where you were a ghost and you had to haunt the house and scare the family away? That game was so much fun!
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    Had a SNES too and the only games I was envious about on Genesis were Mortal Kombat 1 and Streets of Rage.
    I'm not a Shoot em up, racing or arcade style game fan (aside from fighting games). Platformers, action adventures and RPGs is all I need, and Sega sucked ass for that.
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    chadouken! wrote: »
    What was that Genesis game where you were a ghost and you had to haunt the house and scare the family away? That game was so much fun!

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    chadouken! wrote: »
    What was that Genesis game where you were a ghost and you had to haunt the house and scare the family away? That game was so much fun!

    Haunting starring Polterguy:



    Back when having EA on the box meant fun and creative game design was about to be enjoyed.

    Goddamn these motherfuckers fell the fuck off...
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    Fuck yeah, The Haunting! Loved that shit!
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    Darksakul wrote: »
    Sega isn't known for RPGs, but the few it had , most of those were quite good.

    Still jonaing for a new Phantasy Star. I ran through 4 earlier this year. Lovely game.

  • BB_HoodyBB_Hoody Nice plane you have there. Be a Shame if something went wrong in flight and it crashed Joined: Posts: 4,711
    Well if we're talking replay value. Mechanics etc. I'd say Pokemon red and blue is the greatest example. It was the game that started a world wide phenomenon. But now I look at those games like how did that shit get past QA?

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    BB_Hoody wrote: »
    Well if we're talking replay value. Mechanics etc. I'd say Pokemon red and blue is the greatest example. It was the game that started a world wide phenomenon. But now I look at those games like how did that shit get past QA?
    To be fair, most of the enjoyment from Pokemon comes from the competitive multiplayer aspect of it.
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    So is this the new unpopular gaming opinions thread?

    Also does "Aged badly" only apply to graphics or what?
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    The Mega Man Legends games. I love all three games to death (I'm including the Tron Bonne game) but controlling the camera with the shoulder buttons is shit. Having been developed before analog sticks became standard I can understand it's that way.
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    Darksakul wrote: »
    Raij1n wrote: »
    @Darksakul

    All n64 games? Mischief makers is still fucking great

    Graphically they all look dated to me. But appearance is subjective. Mischief makers game play wise holds up, it just visually looks dated to my eyes, not as bad as other n64 games but there a certain quality that just sticks out to me.

    Any game from that era isn't going to age well graphically since that's when devs were still experimenting with 3D, and trying to get good graphics out of systems that were underpowered.

    For example, the N64 actually had a limited texture cache, which is why alot of games on that system went for bolder, more cartoony colors and less detailed textures (using the systems texture filtering instead, something that the other consoles lacked).

    Moving on to the PS1
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    Tekken 1 looked like garbage even when it was new. Virtua Fighter blew it out of the water.
    Tekken 1 (and 2) always felt a bit experimental. 1 had wonky character proportions and somewhat unrefined gameplay. Tekken 2 fixed a lot of that, though for some reason, it dumps the gourad shading of 1 with a flat shading, which makes the boxy polygons stand out more.

    It was only in Tekken 3 that the series really got it's look down, in part due to using an overclocked, 48Mhz board in the arcades.
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    For me i would have to say N64 and PS1 .....without stating the obvious great games that did age well from those 2 systems.
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    The Mega Man Legends games. I love all three games to death (I'm including the Tron Bonne game) but controlling the camera with the shoulder buttons is shit. Having been developed before analog sticks became standard I can understand it's that way.

    I don't mind it still. Makes staffing very effective in the games