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  • DevilJin 01DevilJin 01 Get some shill in yo system Joined: Posts: 57,363 mod
    edited November 12
    So dead that characters with nearly no solo mix up outside of grab level 3's or hoping you chicken block during gaps in block stun are better than her by Yipes' list.

    Stop hating on the mayor fam. Fight me

    Wrong character. I gave the character's name in the lounge. Haggar at least has solo special move grabs and by being a grabber opens people for chicken blocks better.

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  • Plaid_UnicornPlaid_Unicorn Camron should have won an Oscar for Paid in Full Joined: Posts: 10,318
    So dead that characters with nearly no solo mix up outside of grab level 3's or hoping you chicken block during gaps in block stun are better than her by Yipes' list.

    Stop hating on the mayor fam. Fight me

    Wrong character. I gave the character's name in the lounge.

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  • WorstPlayerWorstPlayer Calm Yourself Joined: Posts: 4,793
    edited November 12
    d3v wrote: »
    MonHun moving up depends on people finding more teams with her aside from Justin's Dante/MonHun.

    I was a fan of ChrisG's Mon Hun honestly. I'm also a fan of mine LOL, but the again I'm noticing character unfamiliarity (aka someone who actually optimizes her combos and has
    a monster hunter gameplan besides jump swing sword) is playing a key role in my wins lately. I'd def put her over say GR any day. Shit they don't even have Thor on them lists.
    I'd put Thor over GR too.
  • VersatileBJN007VersatileBJN007 Joined: Posts: 1,189
    Why isn't ultron/zero a more popular team?
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  • DevilJin 01DevilJin 01 Get some shill in yo system Joined: Posts: 57,363 mod
    Why isn't ultron/zero a more popular team?

    It's a decent team, but Zero/Dante is generally better and Ultron/Dante is easier to play.

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  • OuroborusOuroborus plays 3s just to troll Joined: Posts: 7,240 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    remember when fchamp and everyone else were saying that captain marvel was top 5 when the game first came out?

    i guess everyone figured out all captain marvel has going for her is slide and blitz blow. the rest of her normals sucks, her triangle jumps are bad and her armored state is overrated/got figured out.

    nemesis, sigma and monster hunter all have better armored options than her.

    she can't really put much shit on the screen too and while her hypers are good, it drains her life.
    ssf4ae tier list regarding Gen:

    D Proto: and where is Gen?
    oORYUOo: you cannot tier what you cannot see
  • WorstPlayerWorstPlayer Calm Yourself Joined: Posts: 4,793
    edited November 12
    Armored state didn't get figured out I don't think. It's just people jump around with heavys swinging willy nilly in this game.
    It was just automatically not really a thing. Once you learn how to deal with Blitz Blow it's kind of like Hi Carol.
  • OuroborusOuroborus plays 3s just to troll Joined: Posts: 7,240 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    edited November 13
    After looking over Yipes list again, theres a lot of other character that can be a good candidate for top 15.

    I definitely agree that Dante, Ultron, Gamora, Zero, Nova, Strider, Dormammu, Firebrand are top 10/15. Sorta surprised he didnt have Strider in top 10 but I'm guessing he hates that character.

    But for Captain America, Chun Li, Sigma, Arthur, RR, Haggar and Ghost Rider though, there are a lot of candidates that can take its place.

    Spiderman, Thanos, Monster Hunter, Nemesis, Iron Man, Captain Marvel and Thor are just as good, maybe even better than them. Hawkeye, Strange, Spencer and X too to a lesser degree.


    tldr version: Everyone is top 15 except Hulk, Frank, Ryu and Chris.

    EDIT: and Black Panther.
    Post edited by Ouroborus on
    ssf4ae tier list regarding Gen:

    D Proto: and where is Gen?
    oORYUOo: you cannot tier what you cannot see
  • DevilJin 01DevilJin 01 Get some shill in yo system Joined: Posts: 57,363 mod
    Yeah the game hasn't evolved enough where a top 15 can matter. Especially difficult to do for team game.


    I still believe in Hulk. He can just willy nilly those gamma charges and if he lands one you get the longest hard knockdown of all time into full combo.

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  • AlMoStLeGeNdArYAlMoStLeGeNdArY Optimize or Die Joined: Posts: 2,347
    edited November 13
    Someone putting in work with mind stone.

  • WorstPlayerWorstPlayer Calm Yourself Joined: Posts: 4,793

    When putting in
    work equals 1 scaled reset, you know that stone sucks.
  • ES_CurseES_Curse ALL HAIL THE HOLY PHARAOH Joined: Posts: 8,189
    Strider with a command grab is pretty legit though. One of the few characters who gets some mileage out of Mind Surge.
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  • charlie88charlie88 Ya'll niggas gay. The Keving Gates kinda gay. Joined: Posts: 5,072
    Top 5 imo is

    Dante
    Zero
    Gamora
    Dorm
    Ultron

    In ni particular order. I would also say I can see at least 3 characters in the 5th spot. I am sold on Gamora long term as I think she is just good and people aren't exploiting her Kage Bunshin no Jutsu enough. I hate Ultron but bias aside that robot works. Dante Dorm and Zero are self explanatory.

    I haven't seen enough Hagger Coon and some of the other obscure characters to form an opinion on them.
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  • flighflighflugitflighflighflugit Joined: Posts: 1,584
    I actually think gamora is a little overrated. No doubt she's good but not so sure she is at the top. I'll have to keep an eye on rayray and clockwork in upcoming tournaments.

    Surprised more people aren't putting nova in the top five.
  • charlie88charlie88 Ya'll niggas gay. The Keving Gates kinda gay. Joined: Posts: 5,072
    I think Gamora is actually slept on. Nova is DEFINITELY slept on.
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  • Xr0s-upXr0s-up Go banana! Joined: Posts: 1,143
    I'm surprised the guy didnt opt for an unblockable setup after mind stone. Seems to be more worth than just copping a scaled reset
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  • flighflighflugitflighflighflugit Joined: Posts: 1,584
    Nice thing about Hawkeye is his poison arrow isn't effected by scaling so he can still get decent guaranteed damage.
  • TheDarkPhoenixTheDarkPhoenix BEHOLD! Joined: Posts: 12,598 mod
    Someone putting in work with mind stone.


    Id be so salty after that lol
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  • wakalakawakalaka Joined: Posts: 160
    I put Nova over Ultron, the main things Ultron has over Nova is a meterless beam and ease of use.
  • WorstPlayerWorstPlayer Calm Yourself Joined: Posts: 4,793
    edited November 13
    Not sure what's more salt inducing, long repetitive physical combos or long repetitive distance projectile combos...
    I never thought I'd say this but I do miss the swag incentive of MVC3. I think they have to put some kind of variety incentive
    like the more moves you put into a combo the more meter you build or something if you want to keep the reset life (although TOD's
    are definitely here)
  • DevilJin 01DevilJin 01 Get some shill in yo system Joined: Posts: 57,363 mod
    edited November 13
    Not sure what's more salt inducing, long repetitive physical combos or long repetitive distance projectile combos...
    I never thought I'd say this but I do miss the swag incentive of MVC3. I think they have to put some kind of variety incentive
    like the more moves you put into a combo the more meter you build or something if you want to keep the reset life (although TOD's
    are definitely here)

    Just have to give the game time. Duc Do made fun of MVC3 for being a game with baby easy combos and didn't understand how people dropped combos in the game. Lots of others complained that ABCS BBCS XF was too good, but with time people came out with more swag stuff that was optimal. There's a lot of swag stuff you can do with the storms also that will come out with time.


    Forcing artificial move variety in combos just takes away from the soul of performing the combos. You should want to do what you wanna do, when you wanna do it. Just like how Zero just lightning loops you over and over and over again in 3 because that's what he wanted to do and that's all he needed.


    About Mind Stone, optimal resets will be unscaled ones that do more damage after they recover from the stun. Even if you do a scaled combo during the stun you still build the same unscaled meter.

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  • WorstPlayerWorstPlayer Calm Yourself Joined: Posts: 4,793
    edited November 13
    It's still garbage unless you have a level one shadow install. I know I'm exaggerating. I'm actually catching people with it a lot with my Monster Hunter/Coon team sometimes because I'm just switching after starting her big swing. It's got uses but damn, it's a very finnicky stone.
  • DevilJin 01DevilJin 01 Get some shill in yo system Joined: Posts: 57,363 mod
    edited November 13
    It's still garbage unless you have a level one shadow install. I know I'm exaggerating. I'm actually catching people with it a lot with my Monster Hunter/Coon team sometimes because I'm just switching after starting her big swing. It's got uses but damn, it's a very finnicky stone.

    Well every stone is garbage compared to space stone really. Unless they nerf its ability to lock you into a box with only access to one character there isn't much reason to play any stone but Space. It sets up the easiest storm level 3s in the game while limiting access to most of the theory you created with your team with 2 button presses. With the way the game is going I don't see how the meta will go without any patches other than space winning just about every event. Especially when you combine it with characters that can lock you out from pressing any buttons like Dante, Jedah, Dorm, Nova etc.

    All of the other storms have cheap stuff, but still let the opponent use their two characters and freely move about the screen which automatically makes them weaker compared to space.




    Mind will definitely have some really strong teams and install supers is ideal for it. Command grab is scary in general with characters that already have strong offense since people will likely be mashing buttons and chicken blocking vs their already powerful offense. Opening them up faster.

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  • MythicMndMythicMnd Joined: Posts: 3
    Mind Stone isn't that bad. It's just that you have to be pretty competent with your team to get the most out of it. In order for it to be effective you have to be able to say "All my game plan really needs is a meterless command grab and more meter". You have to be pretty comfortable with your team and the MVCI system to make a claim like that. That said, I just threw the stone on an Ultron/Dante team and it felt pretty powerful. Neither character has a meterless command grab and the extra meter can make both characters pretty dominant with multiple devil triggers, lock down supers, defensive tags and Ultron's grab super. The stone needs a some tweaks, but it's more powerful than many people realize, you just have to put in a lot more work into your team to see results than with the other stones.
  • charlie88charlie88 Ya'll niggas gay. The Keving Gates kinda gay. Joined: Posts: 5,072
    Not sure what's more salt inducing, long repetitive physical combos or long repetitive distance projectile combos...
    I never thought I'd say this but I do miss the swag incentive of MVC3. I think they have to put some kind of variety incentive
    like the more moves you put into a combo the more meter you build or something if you want to keep the reset life (although TOD's
    are definitely here)

    I think I was one of the original ones in here that said this. The combo system doesn't allow for that "If I can think it, it can be done" style combos" As shocking as it is there are still things that need to be explored in umvc3 still. Yet we already moved on.
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  • flighflighflugitflighflighflugit Joined: Posts: 1,584
    Yea it seems top meta play is basically a highly mobile team with reality or strong lockdown with space stone.

    The way i see big tournaments going as of right now is:

    Ultron, dorm, nova type characters with reality stone.

    Or

    Characters like Jedah, rr, dorm paired with a strong top tier with space stone.

    Currently I think dorm is the overall best character in the game. He does so much for a team and can take advantage of space storm better than most characters.
  • WorstPlayerWorstPlayer Calm Yourself Joined: Posts: 4,793
    That being said, while I did get really good at boulder loops with Rocket and some pretty nift DOK combos the irony is I HATE executing intensive combos myself. (Mainly because I can't be arsed to grind anymore, not that I've ever been a true lab monster) This game as is really did have someone like me in mind.

    Since options is the only true leg up you can have with technical movement execution you can literally lose at the character select screen. I'm expecting the Dante/Zero armies to increase dramatically barring more tech being discovered or a new ridiculous character being found.

    I'm kind of happy being a PC player though, the small base while it has its share of Dantes/Zeros is pretty diverse in my experience. Nobody plays Chris/Ryu but eh. You can't have everything.
  • Legend IILegend II Living Legend sequel. Joined: Posts: 2,568 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    edited November 13
    Currently I think dorm is the overall best character in the game. He does so much for a team and can take advantage of space storm better than most characters.

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  • DevilJin 01DevilJin 01 Get some shill in yo system Joined: Posts: 57,363 mod
    I would consider Dorm the best if he didn't have to get started. You have to rev him up and that's how he was in 3 also. He was basically top tier if you revved him up, but if he didn't get revved up he's just another character with ports and ranged tools. He's probably the best support character in the game, but I wouldn't call him clear number 1. Least til not after a year if there is no patches.

    The fact that the game's systems make it even easier for him to get started is something to consider. Just I know how that character is and you can just run all over him if you catch him without spells.


    Zero is just too much because he only loses to like Dorm level stalking flare set play where it's risky to do anything. Other than that he's basically the hardest character to hit for how well he can turn any stray thing into a conversion. Even Dante he doesn't have anything rapid fire to spam with 4/5 frame start up once you get close. Trying to hit Zero sets you up for a bunch of quick start up and invincible BS that will get you hit for trying.

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  • flighflighflugitflighflighflugit Joined: Posts: 1,584
    I kind of agree, it's a little hard to rate these characters for me cause I definitely think Dante and zero are the 2 best, but from a solo character perspective. However, Dorm seems to put certain teams over the top. Flame carpet and throwing out screen filling projectiles while also be able to store before a tag out is so strong. Full screen hit confirms are also kind of crazy.
  • quicksquicks Joined: Posts: 3,287
    MH is Definitely better than gr infact she pretty much does everything he does but better, at similar ranges too.

    Her ability to get you to respect her probably the best in the game qcf+,tag you have to hold it , don't matter if you have a dp or super , she'll slap you anyways
  • OuroborusOuroborus plays 3s just to troll Joined: Posts: 7,240 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    air mind surge is pretty good. for some reason, ground mind surge is like 4x slower.
    ssf4ae tier list regarding Gen:

    D Proto: and where is Gen?
    oORYUOo: you cannot tier what you cannot see
  • OuroborusOuroborus plays 3s just to troll Joined: Posts: 7,240 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    I would consider Dorm the best if he didn't have to get started. You have to rev him up and that's how he was in 3 also. He was basically top tier if you revved him up, but if he didn't get revved up he's just another character with ports and ranged tools. He's probably the best support character in the game, but I wouldn't call him clear number 1. Least til not after a year if there is no patches.

    The fact that the game's systems make it even easier for him to get started is something to consider. Just I know how that character is and you can just run all over him if you catch him without spells.


    Zero is just too much because he only loses to like Dorm level stalking flare set play where it's risky to do anything. Other than that he's basically the hardest character to hit for how well he can turn any stray thing into a conversion. Even Dante he doesn't have anything rapid fire to spam with 4/5 frame start up once you get close. Trying to hit Zero sets you up for a bunch of quick start up and invincible BS that will get you hit for trying.

    reality stone is his cock block.
    ssf4ae tier list regarding Gen:

    D Proto: and where is Gen?
    oORYUOo: you cannot tier what you cannot see
  • WorstPlayerWorstPlayer Calm Yourself Joined: Posts: 4,793
    edited November 14
    What dissapoints me about her is she doesn't have dumb dante like boxes for having a bigger sword. All her boxes hit in front.
  • Plaid_UnicornPlaid_Unicorn Camron should have won an Oscar for Paid in Full Joined: Posts: 10,318
    edited November 14
    Alkipot wrote: »
    Was watching a dude stream yesterday. Dude threw his pad screaming Ghost Rider is cheap.

    He uses Gamora.

    It's funny because everyone I cheap in their own way, even ryu a bit... however if anyone wants to say fuck dante I'm here for this
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  • WorstPlayerWorstPlayer Calm Yourself Joined: Posts: 4,793
    Alkipot wrote: »
    Was watching a dude stream yesterday. Dude threw his pad screaming Ghost Rider is cheap.

    He uses Gamora.

    I never liked the idea of watching people play casually but recently have been getting a kick out of peoples micro expressions of salt that Marvel induces from the lip lickers, to the shakey legs (that's me, one reason why I'm tournament ASS, recently noticed this while setting up my own stream like WTF am I doing?) to the nose scratchers and ear pullers.
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  • jimsaucejimsauce Joined: Posts: 36
    It's funny how people here think mind stone is good (it is) and how everyone on Reddit shits on it. I don't know why having more meter than you know what to do with is a bad thing when it can always be used for hyper-lockdowns, yolo invulnerable hypers, and counter-tag combo breakers.

    I've been messing with some more time stone too. Seems pretty decent with the reset heavy meta, just mash on surge and you get out of a lot of mixups. It's also nice to just yolo and tag just to get in their face with a character that usually has trouble closing space (Hagar/Nemesis). It works really well with delayed special in conjunction with tag. My favorite is using Spider/Hulk, and if I can get them to take the block string f.HP xx qcf.HP xx tag (allow the run through hit w/ Spiderman to create a true/better block string) xx time stone surge. I get left/right and/or all day to go high/low.
  • DaleruDaleru Joined: Posts: 77
    edited November 15
    So the meta is obviously setplay, but what are the best teams for endless setplay/lock down/oki? Space stone seems like an obvious contender as well as characters like Dante or Jedah, but I wanted to see what everyone else thinks
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