10/01/2017 Las Vegas Strip Shooting

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  • WastedWasted Verbal Diarrhetic Joined: Posts: 6,020
    thurst wrote: »
    Shoot accurately from 400 yards out isn't easy at ground level, much less 200-300 feet in the air froma window.

    Firing into a crowd of 22000 compensates for that a bit.

    The guy supposedly had multiple firing positions in his suite.
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  • Doctrine DarkDoctrine Dark Yum Yum Joined: Posts: 7,183
    When you start to read about the victims, that's when it really hits you....
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  • odinodin is october coming? Joined: Posts: 15,470 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    More people being stupid over the internet.
    And paying for it.

    http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-las-vegas-shooting-live-updates-cbs-fires-executive-for-deeply-1506969657-htmlstory.html
    CBS fires executive for 'deeply unacceptable' post after Vegas shooting

    CBS Corp. fired a vice president in business affairs Monday for comments she made on social media regarding the mass shooting at a country music festival in Las Vegas.

    Hayley Geftman-Gold, wrote on her Facebook page that she was not sympathetic to victims of the shooting because, she claimed, most country music fans are Republican.

    Geftman-Gold also wrote: “If they wouldn’t do anything when children were murdered I have no hope that Repugs will ever do the right thing. I’m actually not even sympathetic bc country music fans often are Republican gun toters.”

    The comments were deleted but not before they were picked up on a number of right-wing blogs and websites. A petition was posted online that called for her firing.

    A CBS spokesperson confirmed that Geftman-Gold was dismissed because of her comments.

    “This individual, who was with us for approximately one year, violated the standards of our company and is no longer an employee of CBS. Her views as expressed on social media are deeply unacceptable to all of us at CBS. Our hearts go out to the victims in Las Vegas and their families,” the company said in a statement.

    Guess this is that alt-lefter I've been hearing all about.
  • ChiroChiro Not actually pronounced cheero Joined: Posts: 2,146
    oh look every single gun law we have on the books turned out to be fucking useless and the AR which conservatives SCREAMED wasn't an automatic was easily modified to be and killed 50 FUCKING PEOPLE.

    stop manufacturing guns in this goddam country and melt the ones we have. you wouldn't have to protect yourself from a criminal with a gun if it wasn't so fucking easy getting one in the first place.
  • WastedWasted Verbal Diarrhetic Joined: Posts: 6,020
    The shooters partner is an Australian woman originally from the Phillipines.

    https://www.google.com.au/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4940700/amp/Girlfriend-Las-Vegas-shooter-Australian-citizen.html

    Saw on our news while getting coffee that he used her ID to get in the hotel.
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  • WastedWasted Verbal Diarrhetic Joined: Posts: 6,020
    edited October 2
    Chiro wrote: »
    oh look every single gun law we have on the books turned out to be fucking useless and the AR which conservatives SCREAMED wasn't an automatic was easily modified to be and killed 50 FUCKING PEOPLE.

    Got evidence it was an AR modified to be full auto? I mean it can happen, like in San Bernardino, but please stick to confirmed information.
    stop manufacturing guns in this goddam country and melt the ones we have. you wouldn't have to protect yourself from a criminal with a gun if it wasn't so fucking easy getting one in the first place.

    Kids are still running around with guns in places like Australia. Once guns exist, you can't truly get rid of them.
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  • ChiroChiro Not actually pronounced cheero Joined: Posts: 2,146
    of course you can't get rid of them you can't completely get rid of anything but you can reduce the numbers and probability. exactly like Austrailia did successfully.
  • Spirit JuiceSpirit Juice 「HATES EVERYTHING」 Joined: Posts: 15,019 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Chiro wrote: »
    oh look every single gun law we have on the books turned out to be fucking useless and the AR which conservatives SCREAMED wasn't an automatic was easily modified to be and killed 50 FUCKING PEOPLE.

    stop manufacturing guns in this goddam country and melt the ones we have. you wouldn't have to protect yourself from a criminal with a gun if it wasn't so fucking easy getting one in the first place.

    I'm not a screaming redneck like Ted Nugent but it's very, very unlikely this country will ever be gun free. There are way more guns than people in the US and it's not feasible to do. Gun control is a complex problem, and simply shouting "abolish all guns!" doesn't solve anything because it'll probably never happen.
  • WastedWasted Verbal Diarrhetic Joined: Posts: 6,020
    Problem with that logic is that we just started to bash, stab, bomb or run over each other instead.

    Plus, our massacre laws include caveats about familicide (gotta have at least five unrelated victims), further raising the bar about what constitutes one.

    Eh, this ain't really the thread for this discussion, so I'll leave it here. Good luck actually getting anyone to enforce confiscation, if it ever passes.
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  • ChiroChiro Not actually pronounced cheero Joined: Posts: 2,146
    Wasted wrote: »
    Problem with that logic is that we just started to bash, stab, bomb or run over each other instead.

    Plus, our massacre laws include caveats about familicide (gotta have at least five unrelated victims), further raising the bar about what constitutes one.

    Eh, this ain't really the thread for this discussion, so I'll leave it here. Good luck actually getting anyone to enforce confiscation, if it ever passes.

    there couldn't be a more appropriate thread for this discussion but like every gun supporter you just run from the discussion or make excuses. its absolutely insane to compare the ease of lethality of a gun compared to all those options and you fucking know it.

    all this is just an inconvenience to the right.

  • WastedWasted Verbal Diarrhetic Joined: Posts: 6,020
    edited October 2
    Raz0r wrote: »
    The "they will use other methods" argument is not a good argument against gun control. Never was.

    I'm all for some control. But it all comes down to what you care about most - do you care about cutting down lives lost, or do you just want guns off the streets? Because the two aren't necessarily related.

    With America's saturated market of firearms, its not enough to call just for bans, there needs be some proposed method of enforcement, to which nobody really seems to put forward.
    Chiro wrote: »
    Wasted wrote: »
    Problem with that logic is that we just started to bash, stab, bomb or run over each other instead.

    Plus, our massacre laws include caveats about familicide (gotta have at least five unrelated victims), further raising the bar about what constitutes one.

    Eh, this ain't really the thread for this discussion, so I'll leave it here. Good luck actually getting anyone to enforce confiscation, if it ever passes.
    there couldn't be a more appropriate thread for this discussion but like every gun supporter you just run from the discussion or make excuses.

    If you take a good look at my post history here, you would know that I dont tend to shy away from gun debates.

    Time and place is all.
    its absolutely insane to compare the ease of lethality of a gun compared to all those options and you fucking know it.

    I used to think that. I genuinely did.

    Then people in Europe just started using trucks. Or in China, getting a couple of buddies and some knives and carving people up.

    Ease of lethality? Does that include access to the weapon, or just ease of operation?

    Because I can just rent a three ton truck and drive down the main strip or into a crowded market. People don't need guns, they just need a heap of sitting ducks.
    all this is just an inconvenience to the right.

    Not really an inconvenience at all.
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  • just5moreminutesjust5moreminutes Eagle will return Joined: Posts: 7,923
    Calling it right now, dude blew his life savings in the casino and had a psychotic break. Profile makes it seem like he was a hardcore gambling addict.
  • EphidelEphidel Old Man SRK Joined: Posts: 14,887 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Thoughts go out to the victims, man this shit was crazy bro. Had to check on my vegas fam, and I'm just glad they are safe.

    I'm sorry. Humor me!!
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  • The DamnedThe Damned Hope: You can't believe in it Joined: Posts: 10,778 mod
    edited October 2
    (So nice to see this has become a "gun control" thread even though we all know fruitless that "discussion" tends to be, even when it's civil on here, much less in public. Please drop it or take it to the actual current affairs thread(s) even if I understand why you all talking about it in here. Thank you.)

    Since I didn't see it mentioned in here yet given all talk about guns, which is noisome if understandable, at current last count, apparently 58 dead and at least 500 injured. Probably more than that, especially with regards to the injured. I would double check for sources on the latest numbers, but I must admit that I was instantly apathetic to actively keeping up this after immediately realizing nothing is going to change if nothing changed after the Sandy Hook massacre.

    Sadly the most we can probably "hope" for that this the maximum amount of people who are dead and that there are a minimal amount of people among the injured who are permanently maimed.
    chadouken! wrote: »
    "No way to prevent this, says only nation where this regularly happens."
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    Oh, @chadouken!, you could at least link that all-too-true "parody" article: http://www.theonion.com/article/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-36131.

    Additionally, here are two new ones that seem to have been written just today; they are also unfortunately both all too correct: "Americans Hopeful This Will Be Last Mass Shooting Before They Stop On Their Own For No Reason" and "This Shooting Isn’t About Gun Control We Refuse To Pass, It’s About Access To Mental Health Care We’re Continuing To Gut".

    This world is just starting to make me sick.

    Only "just starting" to? I must admit my genuine surprise here, @Missing Person.
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  • Raz0rRaz0r Did you really just write that? Joined: Posts: 25,805 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    He's moderating what needs no moderation. The thread was left to rock because no one was being overly assholeish or antagonizing. Yeah, this gun discussion rarely leads to conversion to a side, but at least we have been speaking respectfully to one another. There's no reason for Damned to come in here and try to change topic simply because he doesn't like where the topic led.
    This is offensive.
  • NickRocksNickRocks DeathPlay Joined: Posts: 22,735
    terrible tragedy :(
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  • The DamnedThe Damned Hope: You can't believe in it Joined: Posts: 10,778 mod
    Sigh. I'd ask if you must always be so acerbic and confrontational, but we all already know the answer to that. This is ironic given I agree with most of the points you have been raising with regards to guns.

    For the record, I'm "fine" with gun control discussion in general even if it makes me roll my eyes. So my problem is less where it went and far more than it tends never goes anywhere. Additionally, as is too often the case, talking about gun control pretty much always overshadows what has happened to and what is still happening to victims of the various shootings that we are all too used to in America at this point, which is already an issue when the mass-shooter pretty much always gets more attention. I just think it's pointless to talk about in here even if it makes sense, especially since you know that literally nothing is going to get done to improve this situation yet again given how fucking corrupt Congress is.

    Ultimately, it was a polite request than a moderating demand that you stop talking about it at all; otherwise I'd be threatening infractions and bans and such. If everyone wants to keep talking about it in here, then so be it; I personally don't think it will do any good, however civilly it happens, but I will refrain from commenting on it again so long as it remains as such. I just ask that (at least one of) you also update with news about the victims and/or shooter where possible, especially since you apparently have such free time and it shouldn't be difficult given everything you personally have linked to already. I apologize for being overly cautious about potential political discussions around here even when they start civilly since it all it takes is one troll to derail a thread, though I don't plan to be as forgiving as Pertho about that it should it happen in here.

    Anyway, it seem that I was slightly mistaken earlier unfortunately: we are up to 59 people dead, though I'm still unsure whether that includes the shooter--it probably does.
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  • FrostyAUFrostyAU Lynx in your sinks Joined: Posts: 8,299
    HNIC Mike wrote: »
    FrostyAU wrote: »
    Raz0r wrote: »
    Make bullets cost $5,000 each. Seriously, Rock was on to something.

    Gun laws were made when guns were not as capable as they are now. I think it's worth updating them. Old guns couldn't do what that guys gun did.

    Good point shit was cool when it was muskets. Its irresponsible to just let people have what we have now. May as well say people have the right to own bombs and shit.

    No one back then envisioned people walking around with what they do now. The whole point in the law was to keep the government honest as well but that was before the government had Abrams battle tanks and F22s. It's ridiculous how hard gun nuts want to cling onto their ARs.
  • AKIAKI It's that time of the year again! Joined: Posts: 867
    I don't get the people that think gun bans would suddenly stop terrorist attacks. not to mention, make them (America) "safe".
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    I'm fine with people owning guns even if I don't get the whole gun culture fetish, but let's not act like if martial law ever went into effect, these little AR15s would hold a candle to what the US military has.
    Wasted wrote: »
    Chiro wrote: »
    oh look every single gun law we have on the books turned out to be fucking useless and the AR which conservatives SCREAMED wasn't an automatic was easily modified to be and killed 50 FUCKING PEOPLE.

    Got evidence it was an AR modified to be full auto? I mean it can happen, like in San Bernardino, but please stick to confirmed information.
    stop manufacturing guns in this goddam country and melt the ones we have. you wouldn't have to protect yourself from a criminal with a gun if it wasn't so fucking easy getting one in the first place.

    Kids are still running around with guns in places like Australia. Once guns exist, you can't truly get rid of them.

    Actually one of the articles I read said they found gear to convert semi autos to fully autos. Apparently this guy was also a millionaire real estate investor as well.
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  • HNIC MikeHNIC Mike Joined: Posts: 10,352
    AKI wrote: »
    I don't get the people that think gun bans would suddenly stop terrorist attacks. not to mention, make them (America) "safe".

    No one thinks that. But you have to take steps in the right direction. Cant just sit still and do nothing. Law changes are a proper step.

    Also I have a hard time thinking youre going to injure 500 people with knives or even a car.
  • WastedWasted Verbal Diarrhetic Joined: Posts: 6,020
    HNIC Mike wrote: »
    AKI wrote: »
    I don't get the people that think gun bans would suddenly stop terrorist attacks. not to mention, make them (America) "safe".

    No one thinks that. But you have to take steps in the right direction. Cant just sit still and do nothing. Law changes are a proper step.

    Also I have a hard time thinking youre going to injure 500 people with knives or even a car.

    The Nice truck attack killed 86 and injured over 200.

    There hasnt been any mass shooting by one person that injured 500 people till now I think. Thats the benefit of having a fully auto weapon, 22000 people to shoot at, and the time to spare.

    If you drove a ~20 tonne truck, like in Nice, through that same crowd, I would actually wager the results would be worse.
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  • WastedWasted Verbal Diarrhetic Joined: Posts: 6,020
    I agree.
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  • kutimokutimo Joined: Posts: 3
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    I don't get the people that think gun bans would suddenly stop terrorist attacks. not to mention, make them (America) "safe".

    If you search on YouTube then you will find a huge video list about guns. Lots of people have gun no doubt about that. But, they use those guns for hunting, shooting, etc not for killing people.
    Actually, you cannot control 323 million people’s minds. Some people are mad and they do whatever they think. comment from.
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  • Evolution169Evolution169 Wake up DP is unbeatable Joined: Posts: 1,061
    I'm more concerned as to how in the fuck that slips by.

    I guess by putting the gun inside something inconspicuous.
  • WastedWasted Verbal Diarrhetic Joined: Posts: 6,020
    Take the gun apart, put it in your bags and check in.

    Hotels dont have metal detectors usually.
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  • InfernomanInfernoman Bro as Hell Joined: Posts: 9,427
    I like guns and I hope to purchase one someday but I'm willing to do what it takes to register and show I'm not a threat if I buy one. Accountability needs to be greatly enforced and it's something we're not doing.
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  • dab00gdab00g Joined: Posts: 20,772
    edited October 3
    thurst wrote: »
    Shoot accurately from 400 yards out isn't easy at ground level, much less 200-300 feet in the air froma window.

    He had a stablizing platform.

    The rate of fire sounded like burst mode. He was firing indiscriminately from a good distance, but still needed control

    Fuck this is fucked

    Hotel security could change

    Just wondering about getting into his texts and e-mails leading to this

    I have no problem being in a database

    Why the nra hates that one caveat is beyond me
  • FrostyAUFrostyAU Lynx in your sinks Joined: Posts: 8,299
    kutimo wrote: »
    I don't get the people that think gun bans would suddenly stop terrorist attacks. not to mention, make them (America) "safe".

    If you search on YouTube then you will find a huge video list about guns. Lots of people have gun no doubt about that. But, they use those guns for hunting, shooting, etc not for killing people.
    Actually, you cannot control 323 million people’s minds. Some people are mad and they do whatever they think.

    Mad person decides to stab some people he doesn't kill 50 of them. You can defend against a knife a hell of a lot easier than a bullet and you need to be closer to use it, not from the 30th floor of a hotel.

    I'm not against practical firearms. Shooting for sport is one thing but people don't shoot targets with LMGs. Shooting for pest control on a farm is necessary. Sustainable hunting is as ethical as any meat. Those activities don't need ARs. People want ARs because they're fun and they watch army films but they're an unnecessary danger in society. If that loon had a bolt rifle or a shotgun he wasn't killing all those people.
  • FrostyAUFrostyAU Lynx in your sinks Joined: Posts: 8,299
    Wasted wrote: »
    HNIC Mike wrote: »
    AKI wrote: »
    I don't get the people that think gun bans would suddenly stop terrorist attacks. not to mention, make them (America) "safe".

    No one thinks that. But you have to take steps in the right direction. Cant just sit still and do nothing. Law changes are a proper step.

    Also I have a hard time thinking youre going to injure 500 people with knives or even a car.

    The Nice truck attack killed 86 and injured over 200.

    There hasnt been any mass shooting by one person that injured 500 people till now I think. Thats the benefit of having a fully auto weapon, 22000 people to shoot at, and the time to spare.

    If you drove a ~20 tonne truck, like in Nice, through that same crowd, I would actually wager the results would be worse.

    Again, it's easier to set up bollards or put a barricade of patrol cars around an event than it is to stop every last possible sight line for a gun. Trucks are dangerous but no where near as flexible as a weapon of murder as a firearm.

    If someone wants to commit murder it's practically impossible to stop them. You can make toxic gas out of things in a grocery store. People need to cut food. Those things are no where near as easy to kill people with. Gun you point and shoot. Knife you need to have a certain level of physical competency, be in arms reach and hope they can't defend themselves. Last I checked cars don't work in hallways of school corridors.
  • StockyJamStockyJam Joined: Posts: 5,627
    edited October 3
    Chiro wrote: »
    oh look every single gun law we have on the books turned out to be fucking useless and the AR which conservatives SCREAMED wasn't an automatic was easily modified to be and killed 50 FUCKING PEOPLE.

    stop manufacturing guns in this goddam country and melt the ones we have. you wouldn't have to protect yourself from a criminal with a gun if it wasn't so fucking easy getting one in the first place.

    UH....
    but bears tho.
    bears.
    i know in NY state alone about a hundred bears are hunted and killed each year.
    how are you gonna contend with a bear foraging through your back yard?

    cant get rid of all guns.

    also.
    deters martian invasion.
    i dont want KANG for president.
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  • HNIC MikeHNIC Mike Joined: Posts: 10,352
    edited October 3
    dab00g wrote: »
    thurst wrote: »
    Shoot accurately from 400 yards out isn't easy at ground level, much less 200-300 feet in the air froma window.

    He had a stablizing platform.

    The rate of fire sounded like burst mode. He was firing indiscriminately from a good distance, but still needed control

    Fuck this is fucked

    Hotel security could change

    Just wondering about getting into his texts and e-mails leading to this

    I have no problem being in a database

    Why the nra hates that one caveat is beyond me

    Because the usual anti government gun nut doesnt want to be in a government database. That gun nut is the NRA
  • WastedWasted Verbal Diarrhetic Joined: Posts: 6,020
    edited October 3
    FrostyAU wrote: »
    Wasted wrote: »
    HNIC Mike wrote: »
    AKI wrote: »
    I don't get the people that think gun bans would suddenly stop terrorist attacks. not to mention, make them (America) "safe".

    No one thinks that. But you have to take steps in the right direction. Cant just sit still and do nothing. Law changes are a proper step.

    Also I have a hard time thinking youre going to injure 500 people with knives or even a car.

    The Nice truck attack killed 86 and injured over 200.

    There hasnt been any mass shooting by one person that injured 500 people till now I think. Thats the benefit of having a fully auto weapon, 22000 people to shoot at, and the time to spare.

    If you drove a ~20 tonne truck, like in Nice, through that same crowd, I would actually wager the results would be worse.

    Again, it's easier to set up bollards or put a barricade of patrol cars around an event than it is to stop every last possible sight line for a gun. Trucks are dangerous but no where near as flexible as a weapon of murder as a firearm.

    Cops can't be everywhere. Nobody is installing bollards around markets or on bridges, generally speaking.

    There is always a potential victim base, whenever you're outside your home, regardless of whether you use a firearm or vehicle.

    It really is that easy. Besides, most "mass shootings" result in 1 or zero people killed:

    http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting
    If someone wants to commit murder it's practically impossible to stop them. You can make toxic gas out of things in a grocery store. People need to cut food. Those things are no where near as easy to kill people with. Gun you point and shoot. Knife you need to have a certain level of physical competency, be in arms reach and hope they can't defend themselves. Last I checked cars don't work in hallways of school corridors.

    Not in corridors, no. But there'd be no problem driving onto a school oval or around a bigger open campus, etc.

    Knives don't need real competency. Point goes in person, repeat ad nauseum. People die from single stabs as well as single gunshots, it all depends on where you hit.

    Cars work great in the middle of Melbourne, though. And in Nice, London Bridge, etc.
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