10/01/2017 Las Vegas Strip Shooting

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  • StockyJamStockyJam My nigga Networkingyuppy Joined: Posts: 5,832
    edited October 3
    everyone's focusing on the firearms cause its easy.
    but lets keep in mind that the biggest issue here is that
    people who have, mental problems, or just pent up rage...dont let it out by talking to someone like they should.

    the reality is.
    we should ALL be seeing therapists and talking about our inner demons and releasing our pent up angst.

    something irked this guy.
    something bugged him.
    he shouldve just....let it out. instead of penting it up till it exploded like krakatoa.
    am i wrong here?

    theres alot of people injured or dead that really wished he had...talked to someone about the turmoil inside his soul.
    even if its not a pro like a therapist or psychiatrist...but someone. even his brother.

    like his brother said,. his last text message he received from him showed no sign of angst.
    he couldve called his brother and told him his issues.
    he didnt.
    we live in a world where we are taught to keep our problems, issues, angst, and inner turmoils to ourselves.

    from personal experience...
    it feels great to get things off one's chest.
    swear to god.
    it feels relieving.

    keeping things always inside and having things that cause your soul to be in turmoil....is as harmful as sewing your own asshole shut.
    they call shitting...relieving one's self with good reason. cuz it is. it is relieving to release what needs to come from inside you, out.
    no difference.
    dont keep shit inside.
    let it out.
    find family, friends, co workers, people who's job it is to listen, like therapists, psychiatrists, and psychologists...
    and talk.
    let it out.
    you'll feel better.

    but society.
    in this world.
    people are shunned into silence. theyre afraid to open up. and talk about their problems, issues, and angst.

    let it out, you'll feel better.
    youll feel relieved. it helps. never hurts.

  • angelpalmangelpalm Stop enjoying things Joined: Posts: 24,455 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    It wasn't a mental issue until the dude with the vast stockpile of weapons murdered a crowd of defenseless people.

    Like what is easier to institute and less intrusive?

    A constant monitering of peoples mental health, making sure they don't show the signs of commiting mass murder or keeping track of existing weapons and weapons that will manufactered in the future?
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  • Jion_WansuJion_Wansu Joined: Posts: 6,247
    StockyJam wrote: »
    Raz0r wrote: »
    What do you mean? Hotels don't have metal detectors. Although I'm sure when I go to Mandalay Bay next year I'm gonna have to go through a battery of security checkpoints.

    enjoy next year's EVO.
    great. now you have intrusive strip searches on top of the smelly smash community to contend with.

    Real talk. In the long run this will hurt Las Vegas and The Strip financially.
  • angelpalmangelpalm Stop enjoying things Joined: Posts: 24,455 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Idiots would rather this world turn into Minority Report or Psycho-Pass than to do the simple thing and keep track of firearms better and make them harder to get a hold of.
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  • Jion_WansuJion_Wansu Joined: Posts: 6,247
    Raz0r wrote: »
    The "they will use other methods" argument is not a good argument against gun control. Never was.

    The people who want "gun control" is not about the guns. It's about the control over citizens.

    Then you have idiots talking about the concealed and not concealed carrying citizens couldn't do anything to prevent this massacre. No shit, Sherlock! If a trained sniper was trying to see where those shots came from, he or she would not be able to shoot back because he or she may shoot innocent civilians. The shooter had the better position, the high ground, the advantage. Everyone else didn't have a chance in hell!
  • WastedWasted Verbal Diarrhetic Joined: Posts: 6,392
    Thats what the Hughes Amendment was for in the first place. The ATF and local law enforcement are all supposed to know who has fully automatic weapons throughout the country

    But all that tracking and registration didnt help, since he just modded a semi-auto rifle instead.

    As I understand, the mod kits are just as restricted as the full auto rifles themselves.
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  • Jion_WansuJion_Wansu Joined: Posts: 6,247
    edited October 3
    Actually, from experience (military and such), you don't need a kit to mod an M4 carbine (semiautomatic weapon). You can MacGyver that shit with common household items that anyone can do. Since the AR15 is similar to an M4, I believe it can also be MacGyvered.
  • WastedWasted Verbal Diarrhetic Joined: Posts: 6,392
    edited October 3
    I don't find it interesting. A concealed handgun isn't meant, or is going to stop you from a sniper.

    I'll chalk it up to grief, which would be completely fucking understandable.

    >Get sniped
    >Give up your handgun
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    I love how the very idea that stricter gun laws can't in any way prevent gun violence. Nevermind that it has in several other nations, the most recent example probably being Australia, where we've seen the amount of fatal shootings decrease drastically after imposing gun control.

    Like, I kind of get the argument of "if you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns" but it only works in theory when you consider that 1) very few people are saying "ban all guns forever" in the US, and 2) while it's true the fucking hardcore murderers will always have guns, if guns are harder to come by the likelihood of Jerome McRandom crackfiend having an automatic in his pants probably decreases by quite a lot. Nevermind the irony of many of the same people who don't want gun control laws are the same people who are baying for stricter laws against drugs and the like. So apparently you can legally prevent people from getting high, but not shooting people. Go figure.
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    I like how none of that said anything about giving up handguns or banning guns. It simply said guns need to be controlled...smfh

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    Do you think when the shooting started that anyone realized that they were being pinned down from a high rise hotel? I'm sure most people assume it was someone on foot. If Calab and his band we're walking trying to find the shooter they would've likely been capped by either the police or the shooter... Maybe even jumped by the confused crowd.

    Probably not. They followed what I assume is their training, as well as their instinct. Even if it WAS a dude on foot, drawing in the middle of a rampaging crowd still wouldn't be the right call until they could find the shooter.

    As I said, I'm chalking his post up to grief and shock. They were in the middle of the biggest mass shooting in US history - that's unfathomable to process.

    TL;DR - Their guns were useless in this scenario, but may not be next time. For every person caught in a situation like this, how many others use concealed firearms to protect themselves, whether they fire or not?
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    We just making up shit to argue about now. What is this? The american government thread?
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  • WastedWasted Verbal Diarrhetic Joined: Posts: 6,392
    edited October 3
    Kecka wrote: »
    I love how the very idea that stricter gun laws can't in any way prevent gun violence. Nevermind that it has in several other nations, the most recent example probably being Australia, where we've seen the amount of fatal shootings decrease drastically after imposing gun control.

    But yet, it had no real effect on the murder rate. We shot less, but stabbed, bashed and burned each other instead.

    By making this argument, it makes you look like all you care about are shootings, not murders as a whole. Our murder rate was already declining, and continued to do so at basically the same rate. Violent crime SPIKED for a decade after the gun bans (96-06), because people knew that there were less guns.
    Like, I kind of get the argument of "if you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns" but it only works in theory

    Except you just quoted Australia, where it works in practice. We can't own firearms (or any other item) for personal protection, therefore the only people using them against other people are the criminals.

    And in the blue moon situation, where you DO need to grab your gun:

    http://www.bordermail.com.au/story/4927063/border-farmer-has-guns-taken-after-confronting-man-armed-with-a-knife-at-his-home/?cs=11
    when you consider that 1) very few people are saying "ban all guns forever" in the US, and 2) while it's true the fucking hardcore murderers will always have guns, if guns are harder to come by the likelihood of Jerome McRandom crackfiend having an automatic in his pants probably decreases by quite a lot.

    If Jerome McRandom crackfiend has an automatic, you can be basically guaranteed it's an illegal weapon in the first place. Meaning your law changes did absolutely nothing. I have no problem with new laws, but the only ones I ever hear of pretty much ARE "ban all guns". On top of that, nobody puts forward any plans on how to confiscate the weapons that would be made illegal under their changes.
    Nevermind the irony of many of the same people who don't want gun control laws are the same people who are baying for stricter laws against drugs and the like. So apparently you can legally prevent people from getting high, but not shooting people. Go figure.

    Yes that makes no real sense to me either.
    angelpalm wrote: »
    I like how none of that said anything about giving up handguns or banning guns. It simply said guns need to be controlled...smfh

    I think I made an assumption there, given his sentiment about his weapons being useless. My bad.
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    I do believe in the idea of false flags and that things in our world can and have been staged to sway things, hell even as so far as to have a Government kill innocent people to push a narrative...but this cannot be one of them. We have had peeps in here that KNEW people involved in this.

    Having said that since they want to bring it up,

    @angelpalm is a false flag. There I said it.

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    all seems like a History of family crime

    1. Father was a bank robber stole some cash and gave some it to family
    2. Family learns about the cash hustle early and shooter becomes accountant
    3. Brother acts like he doesn't know what's going on... Mr.Dumbstruck
    4. Family lives with guilt they all gain a mental breakdown realizing its all a big lie in the family
    5. Shooter is old and tired of lies heads to live near vegas to keep the lie going that he needs to be near a casino to keep the cover up going praying to hit it big.
    6. Shooter still sends cash to family ... Cookies = Cash ... He was sending boxes and boxes of " Cookies " to Mom
    7. Shooter finally realizing that in the end " The House " always wins says fuck it and blames people below him and shoots up others.
    8. Brother still keeps up the act like he doesn't know what's going on... Mr.Dumbstruck over here with all the phones going off in the house

    The Father never gave them the rules of " Don't Buy Anything "









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    huh?
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    I don't think bringing an automatic weapon into a hotel is legal in the first place. I'm more concerned as to how in the fuck that slips by.

    Well funny thing is that me and my dudes was at a video game store down the block called "Game Over Videogames" and we had a deep convo about the shooting and I had mentioned how many ways he could slipped by with that kind of weaponry. We was thinking about that scene in Smokin Aces with Taraji shooting a high caliber rifle out of the hotel floor

    (and how funny it was in Las Vegas) Well we came to realize that maybe the gunner had inside help in order to get that ranged weapon through or that security is thinking this is some kind of fucking "airsoft gun" appreciation day or some shit.
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    Okay who the fuck is @ATL_woman_respecter?

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  • ArtVandelayArtVandelay Architect Joined: Posts: 5,602
    edited October 3
    StockyJam wrote: »
    everyone's focusing on the firearms cause its easy.
    but lets keep in mind that the biggest issue here is that
    people who have, mental problems, or just pent up rage...dont let it out by talking to someone like they should.

    the reality is.
    we should ALL be seeing therapists and talking about our inner demons and releasing our pent up angst.

    something irked this guy.
    something bugged him.
    he shouldve just....let it out. instead of penting it up till it exploded like krakatoa.
    am i wrong here?

    theres alot of people injured or dead that really wished he had...talked to someone about the turmoil inside his soul.
    even if its not a pro like a therapist or psychiatrist...but someone. even his brother.

    like his brother said,. his last text message he received from him showed no sign of angst.
    he couldve called his brother and told him his issues.
    he didnt.
    we live in a world where we are taught to keep our problems, issues, angst, and inner turmoils to ourselves.

    from personal experience...
    it feels great to get things off one's chest.
    swear to god.
    it feels relieving.

    keeping things always inside and having things that cause your soul to be in turmoil....is as harmful as sewing your own asshole shut.
    they call shitting...relieving one's self with good reason. cuz it is. it is relieving to release what needs to come from inside you, out.
    no difference.
    dont keep shit inside.
    let it out.
    find family, friends, co workers, people who's job it is to listen, like therapists, psychiatrists, and psychologists...
    and talk.
    let it out.
    you'll feel better.

    but society.
    in this world.
    people are shunned into silence. theyre afraid to open up. and talk about their problems, issues, and angst.

    let it out, you'll feel better.
    youll feel relieved. it helps. never hurts.

    I love how gun nuts blame the mentally ill on massacres and shit.
    You know how many mentally ill Germany, the UK and all those fucking Scandinavian countries have on top of having a culture that encourages hunting and fishing as a past time without having a massacre every other month?

    Sure that shit happens and it's not hard to get a gun here. Having to join a hunting club, learn the ins and outs of firearms during a course and having to complete an exam in order to attain a license to acquire a semi automatic hunting rifle (not a downgraded assault rifle than can be easily pimped into a full auto or burst fire capable rifle), kind of gives me a couple of month of time to reconsider shooting every asshole I don't like when my wife fucks another dude, or I lose my job because of corporate greed.

    Also helps when a fucking semi automatic pistol costs between 500 and 3000 Euro instead of $160 and getting them of the streets is more likely to getting you robbed than getting you a gun due to how rare they are and how lucky you have to be to talk to the right person because of that.

    No matter how you slice it, the USA's weapon industry kills over 10000 people per year and they make a shitload of money behind it, and all ya motherfuckers think it's ok because of the constitution acting like that shit was written on some stone tablet that can never be changed unless Charlton Heston comes down from the sky and says it needs to be changed.
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  • Shin_JrShin_Jr " they need to stop it " Joined: Posts: 891 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    people are saying Jimmy Kimmel had a better response to the shooting than the President
    you think I'm typing just to type it

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    rbuniao wrote: »
    What's with the crazy old white dudes taking our Asian women from us? LOL!

    Who's "us"?
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    odin wrote: »

    Who's "us"?



    Pretty much most of the Filipina ladies from the countryside would rather pursuit the Caucasian man than their own race (or at least a lot of my female relatives from my mom's side).

    I'm sure if that old dude went to the Philippines he would've stayed there instead of shooting up random folks in Vegas.
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    rbuniao wrote: »
    odin wrote: »

    Who's "us"?



    Pretty much most of the Filipina ladies from the countryside would rather pursuit the Caucasian man than their own race (or at least a lot of my female relatives from my mom's side).

    I'm sure if that old dude went to the Philippines he would've stayed there instead of shooting up random folks in Vegas.

    Can you blame them?
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    angelpalm wrote: »
    The idea that this happened because of a divorce is retarded. If anyone gets killed because of a divorce, majority of the time the man kills himself. In extreme cases he kills the woman and children. Even in the cases of fire, the man sets himself on fire.
    Has anyone thanked you today for not setting the whole world on fire?

    They should. I won't. I advocate setting the world on fire. But morons who actually like it, benefit from society, would do well to thank you and men like you for not visiting hell upon them.

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    So some idiot is like " well in the uk a guy blew up some people" because they just learned about suicide bombing like yesterday. So I asked them if they even knew how many suicide bombings we have had here in the U.S.

    They being the lazy shmuck that they are of course just linked me to this without reading any of it lol


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    " We can't let the act of a single individual define us as a country "

    There have been tons of people pulling off a mass shooting

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/10/02/opinion/editorials/mass-shootings-congress.html
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    angelpalm wrote: »
    It wasn't a mental issue until the dude with the vast stockpile of weapons murdered a crowd of defenseless people.

    Like what is easier to institute and less intrusive?

    A constant monitering of peoples mental health, making sure they don't show the signs of commiting mass murder or keeping track of existing weapons and weapons that will manufactered in the future?

    It's about removing the stigma of going to a shrink so folks don't get to the point of wanting to shoot people.
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  • dab00gdab00g Joined: Posts: 21,163
    edited October 3
    odin wrote: »
    rbuniao wrote: »
    odin wrote: »

    Who's "us"?



    Pretty much most of the Filipina ladies from the countryside would rather pursuit the Caucasian man than their own race (or at least a lot of my female relatives from my mom's side).

    I'm sure if that old dude went to the Philippines he would've stayed there instead of shooting up random folks in Vegas.

    Can you blame them?
    Just go for white girls, like most flip guys.
    He acts like the good looking ones don't stick with flips

    The asian girls who STRICTLY date white guys are generally not the best looking

    Plus it was actually a lady his own age instead of the usual 22 year old from the province

    angelpalm wrote: »
    The idea that this happened because of a divorce is retarded. If anyone gets killed because of a divorce, majority of the time the man kills himself. In extreme cases he kills the woman and children. Even in the cases of fire, the man sets himself on fire.

    It's a mgtow subreddit...
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    Terrible tragedy :(
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  • ReticentlyReticently Joined: Posts: 4,173
    edited October 3
    DoctaMario wrote: »
    angelpalm wrote: »
    It wasn't a mental issue until the dude with the vast stockpile of weapons murdered a crowd of defenseless people.

    Like what is easier to institute and less intrusive?

    A constant monitering of peoples mental health, making sure they don't show the signs of commiting mass murder or keeping track of existing weapons and weapons that will manufactered in the future?

    It's about removing the stigma of going to a shrink so folks don't get to the point of wanting to shoot people.

    I was right across the street at work in a connected hospital back in 2012 when a psychiatric patient shot up the Western Psychiatric Institute and Clinic of Pittsburgh. Guy wouldn't even have had to step outside to get to me. Eight people shot, two killed. Guy had seen 17 different doctors in the months before he shot the place up, can't say he didn't have access.

    Obviously a lot of people really don't have access to the help they need, but that's actually kind of a red herring in the gun debate. The fact is that America has enshrined the right of its citizens to not have to improvise weapons in the event that they snap and want to maximize the number of other people they harm or kill, and nothing is going to change. We're exactly one cynical dose of reality away from replacing the "gun control" conversation with the "what's it going to take to break this guy's record" conversation.
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