10/01/2017 Las Vegas Strip Shooting

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  • itzpookiieitzpookiie Sherry Jenix's Soulmate Joined: Posts: 4,091
    edited October 4
    Speaking as a firearm owner and I love guns but
    A gun ban would make the US a better place except it would take YEARS before the positive effects can be seen and we COULD see some really dark days right as it begins

    how easily guns can be acquired and go into circulation is ridiculous

    If not a gun ban then atleast strict gun control

    Nobody needs an AR for self defense or any other reason such as hunting
    You also don't need 30+ round mags for anything
  • VhoziteVhozite Booty Worshipping Hedonist Joined: Posts: 3,316
    In a hypothetical USA where guns are banned or much more heavily regulated are the police still armed with them?
  • itzpookiieitzpookiie Sherry Jenix's Soulmate Joined: Posts: 4,091
    Vhozite wrote: »
    In a hypothetical USA where guns are banned or much more heavily regulated are the police still armed with them?

    Yes
  • VhoziteVhozite Booty Worshipping Hedonist Joined: Posts: 3,316
    itzpookiie wrote: »
    Vhozite wrote: »
    In a hypothetical USA where guns are banned or much more heavily regulated are the police still armed with them?

    Yes

    Yeah...that can fuck all the way off.
  • TKRTKR Inventor of Toe Socks Joined: Posts: 210
    Vhozite wrote: »
    itzpookiie wrote: »
    Vhozite wrote: »
    In a hypothetical USA where guns are banned or much more heavily regulated are the police still armed with them?

    Yes

    Yeah...that can fuck all the way off.

    What difference would it make, they are armed now. It would obviously have to be heavily regulated with them as well. Did you read the Japan link I put up. Their cops have their guns while on duty, then lock them up when they are done. They don't even take them home with them.
  • itzpookiieitzpookiie Sherry Jenix's Soulmate Joined: Posts: 4,091
    Vhozite wrote: »
    itzpookiie wrote: »
    Vhozite wrote: »
    In a hypothetical USA where guns are banned or much more heavily regulated are the police still armed with them?

    Yes

    Yeah...that can fuck all the way off.

    well firearm related massacres can fuck off
    Over 50 lives were lost and hundreds injured in a matter of hours
    Because of current gun laws, this can happen EVERY SINGLE DAY
  • ReticentlyReticently Joined: Posts: 3,938
    edited October 4
    DoctaMario wrote: »
    Reticently wrote: »
    DoctaMario wrote: »
    angelpalm wrote: »
    It wasn't a mental issue until the dude with the vast stockpile of weapons murdered a crowd of defenseless people.

    Like what is easier to institute and less intrusive?

    A constant monitering of peoples mental health, making sure they don't show the signs of commiting mass murder or keeping track of existing weapons and weapons that will manufactered in the future?

    It's about removing the stigma of going to a shrink so folks don't get to the point of wanting to shoot people.

    I was right across the street at work in a connected hospital back in 2012 when a psychiatric patient shot up the Western Psychiatric Institute and Clinic of Pittsburgh. Guy wouldn't even have had to step outside to get to me. Eight people shot, two killed. Guy had seen 17 different doctors in the months before he shot the place up, can't say he didn't have access.

    Obviously a lot of people really don't have access to the help they need, but that's actually kind of a red herring in the gun debate. The fact is that America has enshrined the right of its citizens to not have to improvise weapons in the event that they snap and want to maximize the number of other people they harm or kill, and nothing is going to change. We're exactly one cynical dose of reality away from replacing the "gun control" conversation with the "what's it going to take to break this guy's record" conversation.

    How was a guy that fucked up in the head able to get a gun? Someone dropped the ball there and should be held accountable. Still, the fact remains, when people feel disconnected from society, life, institutions, and have nowhere and no one to turn to (in their own minds anyway) that pushes them towards stuff like this. Can we at least agree on that? Sure, there will be crazy people that get guns here and there, but the more sound of mind people are, the less you'll have folks considering these types of actions.

    The fact that we're just kind of like *kanyeshrug* "Another mass shooting..." is a serious problem. Like, we're desensitized to the point of it almost being a normal everyday thing.

    Nobody dropped the ball- he bought the guns from a private individual who sold them completely legally. There is no law requiring even a background check for sale of firearms by a private individual.

    People should have universal access to mental healthcare the same as any other healthcare, but in the gun debate it's a spurious point. The fact is that statistically it has been shown that you are far more likely to be killed by someone who is mentally healthy than by someone who isn't. Further, while it seems natural that people who feel connected to society are less likely to commit violent acts, that isn't actually an issue that psychiatry is capable of addressing, and there isn't even any clear evidence that it happens to be true anyway. Case in point, the Vegas shooter was an affluent white male with a romantic partner and family that he cared about.

    Being desensitized isn't even an issue to most Americans. Americans value having the capacity to kill each other more highly than they value each others' safety.
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  • DevilJin 01DevilJin 01 Get some shill in yo system Joined: Posts: 56,753 mod
    edited October 4
    Heard this guy equipped something to the gun that allowed it to fire like a true automatic rifle. This dude was on one.

    Seeing that I went to Evo 2k16 and was right in the stadium, this is rough to see. I think there was a security checkpoint into the stadium, but can't remember. Either way these people were in a really bad spot since they could be aimed at from a generic window at a hotel. This is stuff that standard mental patients I don't think would be able to come up with. Definitely some cold, calculated shit.


    Prayers to all involved and I imagine it's going to be a bit more of a bitch to get into hotels now after this. Public gatherings just get tougher and tougher to attend now. Once you're in any establishment with a crowd of people your life is on the line now. For the FGC this is very serious as we are always at sizeable gatherings where this stuff usually occurs.

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  • DoctaMarioDoctaMario Sometimes It Snows In April... Joined: Posts: 3,419
    Reticently wrote: »
    DoctaMario wrote: »
    Reticently wrote: »
    DoctaMario wrote: »
    angelpalm wrote: »
    It wasn't a mental issue until the dude with the vast stockpile of weapons murdered a crowd of defenseless people.

    Like what is easier to institute and less intrusive?

    A constant monitering of peoples mental health, making sure they don't show the signs of commiting mass murder or keeping track of existing weapons and weapons that will manufactered in the future?

    It's about removing the stigma of going to a shrink so folks don't get to the point of wanting to shoot people.

    I was right across the street at work in a connected hospital back in 2012 when a psychiatric patient shot up the Western Psychiatric Institute and Clinic of Pittsburgh. Guy wouldn't even have had to step outside to get to me. Eight people shot, two killed. Guy had seen 17 different doctors in the months before he shot the place up, can't say he didn't have access.

    Obviously a lot of people really don't have access to the help they need, but that's actually kind of a red herring in the gun debate. The fact is that America has enshrined the right of its citizens to not have to improvise weapons in the event that they snap and want to maximize the number of other people they harm or kill, and nothing is going to change. We're exactly one cynical dose of reality away from replacing the "gun control" conversation with the "what's it going to take to break this guy's record" conversation.

    How was a guy that fucked up in the head able to get a gun? Someone dropped the ball there and should be held accountable. Still, the fact remains, when people feel disconnected from society, life, institutions, and have nowhere and no one to turn to (in their own minds anyway) that pushes them towards stuff like this. Can we at least agree on that? Sure, there will be crazy people that get guns here and there, but the more sound of mind people are, the less you'll have folks considering these types of actions.

    The fact that we're just kind of like *kanyeshrug* "Another mass shooting..." is a serious problem. Like, we're desensitized to the point of it almost being a normal everyday thing.

    Nobody dropped the ball- he bought the guns from a private individual who sold them completely legally. There is no law requiring even a background check for sale of firearms by a private individual.

    People should have universal access to mental healthcare the same as any other healthcare, but in the gun debate it's a spurious point. The fact is that statistically it has been shown that you are far more likely to be killed by someone who is mentally healthy than by someone who isn't. Further, while it seems natural that people who feel connected to society are less likely to commit violent acts, that isn't actually an issue that psychiatry is capable of addressing, and there isn't even any clear evidence that it happens to be true anyway. Case in point, the Vegas shooter was an affluent white male with a romantic partner and family that he cared about.

    Being desensitized isn't even an issue to most Americans. Americans value having the capacity to kill each other more highly than they value each others' safety.

    I wouldn't define someone who is able to make the premeditated choice to kill "mentally healthy" but ymmv. I agree with your last sentence, but don't you find that troubling?
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  • DoctaMarioDoctaMario Sometimes It Snows In April... Joined: Posts: 3,419
    edited October 4
    Vhozite wrote: »
    itzpookiie wrote: »
    Vhozite wrote: »
    In a hypothetical USA where guns are banned or much more heavily regulated are the police still armed with them?

    Yes

    Yeah...that can fuck all the way off.

    Think about how many less people would get shot by cops if the cops didn't constantly have to worry about whether or not someone has a gun on them and might potentially use it on them.
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    Bypassing the whole gun debate a bit, the thing that I've always been equally fascinated and disturbed by are the most toxic portion of human race- psychopaths and sociopaths.

    They shells of humans with superficial charm, manipulative, with virtually zero empathy, only seeking wealth, power, and self-glorification by any means. Seeing as this guy's father was a noted psychopath and career criminal, and psychopathy is inheritable, do you think that people with antisocial tendencies should be tagged or refused certain privileges (like firearm possession) and human welfare/financial/government-oriented jobs where they can wreak havoc?

    Bear in mind this is different from being a mental health issue since psychopaths and sociopaths are not mentally ill, just devoid of the standard moral compass most humans naturally possess.
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  • ReticentlyReticently Joined: Posts: 3,938
    DoctaMario wrote: »
    Reticently wrote: »
    DoctaMario wrote: »
    Reticently wrote: »
    DoctaMario wrote: »
    angelpalm wrote: »
    It wasn't a mental issue until the dude with the vast stockpile of weapons murdered a crowd of defenseless people.

    Like what is easier to institute and less intrusive?

    A constant monitering of peoples mental health, making sure they don't show the signs of commiting mass murder or keeping track of existing weapons and weapons that will manufactered in the future?

    It's about removing the stigma of going to a shrink so folks don't get to the point of wanting to shoot people.

    I was right across the street at work in a connected hospital back in 2012 when a psychiatric patient shot up the Western Psychiatric Institute and Clinic of Pittsburgh. Guy wouldn't even have had to step outside to get to me. Eight people shot, two killed. Guy had seen 17 different doctors in the months before he shot the place up, can't say he didn't have access.

    Obviously a lot of people really don't have access to the help they need, but that's actually kind of a red herring in the gun debate. The fact is that America has enshrined the right of its citizens to not have to improvise weapons in the event that they snap and want to maximize the number of other people they harm or kill, and nothing is going to change. We're exactly one cynical dose of reality away from replacing the "gun control" conversation with the "what's it going to take to break this guy's record" conversation.

    How was a guy that fucked up in the head able to get a gun? Someone dropped the ball there and should be held accountable. Still, the fact remains, when people feel disconnected from society, life, institutions, and have nowhere and no one to turn to (in their own minds anyway) that pushes them towards stuff like this. Can we at least agree on that? Sure, there will be crazy people that get guns here and there, but the more sound of mind people are, the less you'll have folks considering these types of actions.

    The fact that we're just kind of like *kanyeshrug* "Another mass shooting..." is a serious problem. Like, we're desensitized to the point of it almost being a normal everyday thing.

    Nobody dropped the ball- he bought the guns from a private individual who sold them completely legally. There is no law requiring even a background check for sale of firearms by a private individual.

    People should have universal access to mental healthcare the same as any other healthcare, but in the gun debate it's a spurious point. The fact is that statistically it has been shown that you are far more likely to be killed by someone who is mentally healthy than by someone who isn't. Further, while it seems natural that people who feel connected to society are less likely to commit violent acts, that isn't actually an issue that psychiatry is capable of addressing, and there isn't even any clear evidence that it happens to be true anyway. Case in point, the Vegas shooter was an affluent white male with a romantic partner and family that he cared about.

    Being desensitized isn't even an issue to most Americans. Americans value having the capacity to kill each other more highly than they value each others' safety.

    I wouldn't define someone who is able to make the premeditated choice to kill "mentally healthy" but ymmv. I agree with your last sentence, but don't you find that troubling?

    Deeply disturbing, like an incurable disease diagnosis.
  • dab00gdab00g Joined: Posts: 20,750
    Wasted wrote: »
    FrostyAU wrote: »
    Knives do require some competency. If your
    Wasted wrote: »
    But does it have an effect on overall crime?

    You can't put gun crime on a pedestal, IMO. If you reduce gun crime, but the overall crime rate isn't really affected, then it was all for naught.

    All of these arguments you're making have been pulled to pieces hundreds of times.

    But you haven't done it once.

    A death by a gun isn't any more special than a death by stabbing or burning. At the end of the day, those people are still dead.
    Yes, crime will still exist and criminals will get guns.

    Yes, there have been terror attacks not involving guns.

    Yes.
    Do you know what has happened in countries with stricter gun laws though? Less mass shootings. The U.S is the only place it happens.

    Absolutely false re: bolded. Nobody cried when 37 people got gunned down in the Phillipines. Nobody cried when a gunman opened fire on a town council in Nanterre, France. The rest of the world probably didn't even hear about it.

    https://crimeresearch.org/2015/06/comparing-death-rates-from-mass-public-shootings-in-the-us-and-europe/
    https://crimeresearch.org/2017/01/with-39-killed-in-tunisia-attack-the-top-three-mass-public-shootings-are-outside-the-united-states/
    Arguing for guns is like arguing not to have a speed limit.

    There's no argument, nor comparison between the two. They exist in the US to the extent it is physically impossible to take them away. That's not something that can be argued for or against, it's a physical reality. Even if you suddenly banned all guns; until you remove them, there will still be *hundreds of millions* of them in circulation.
    Yes some cars brake from high speeds, some situations are not dangerous to others by going fast, there are plenty of responsible drivers that wouldn't abuse it. At the end of the day there are speed limits though because the shit people out there ruin it for everyone else. That's just the way it is.

    You'll notice from this whole discussion that I'm fine with regulation, and keeping guns out of the hands of psychopaths, so you're not making any sort of cohesive argument here.
    It's the way a lot of things are, some people are fine on drugs... Again, they're too dangerous to just legalise because of irresponsible people.

    If you have a means of removing guns from the US, let's hear it. We all know how the wars on alcohol and drugs turned out.

    A lot of families of those 37 dead cry

    Also bootlegging weapons and high power assault rifles are big in the philippines

    After karaoke, guns are a hobby and there are so many enthusiasts from
    Congressmen to mayors to the president to rich people that no way will they get rid of them even with a registry

    Not to mention terrorist organizations, gangs, cartel, triad, yakuza, american ex-pats

    There are so many armed and dangerous there. I mean look at militias

    Trying a buyback or confiscation of all assault weapons won't work in the us or in the Philippines because of rampant crime and gun lobbyist lining the pockets of corrupt (morally and ideologically) politicians who don't give one shit

    Anything about broader registration processes to keep track of gun buyers via online databass? Nope

    California does though
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    I see gun nuts already defending bump fire stocks lol.





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    Kids can make this shit in their spare time
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    Best part of bump firing is you can do it for free with zero mods giving the right technique lol




    plus you gotta be a fat shit
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  • FemtoFemto Joined: Posts: 4,637
    HNIC Mike wrote: »
    So the counter argument to gun control is you cant stop everything, so may as well not try?

    Welp. Cant stop people from making bombs either, so when is walmart going to sell me some c4 or maybe some hand grenades?

    I got you fam. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rawstory.com/2017/10/nra-spokesperson-dismisses-las-vegas-massacre-by-claiming-feet-are-just-as-deadly-as-guns/amp/


    NRA and false equivalents can fuck off. These people donate heavily to the Republican party.
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  • itzpookiieitzpookiie Sherry Jenix's Soulmate Joined: Posts: 4,091
    A gun ban would definitely work
    There are a lot of guns in circulation but over time the number will drop enough to be manageable
    It's not impossible
    It will take years or even decades but it will work
    It's the journey there that's gonna be rough

    Also can't compare guns with drugs and alcohol
    Those things can be hidden very well even when used
    What kind of comparison is that lol

  • dab00gdab00g Joined: Posts: 20,750
    I hate that argument of "they will kill anyways"

    You take away tools and shit gets harder

    Especially since most mass shooters had guns that were legally claimed

    Like that fucking loser in santa barbara who killed because he wasn't getting laid

    Those two in san bernardino

    Orlando

    Sandy hook

    And now las vegas

    These firearms were purchased legally

    In the case of roof and sandy hook the parents had those guns legally and the grown children knew how to get a hold of them

    Same with columbine those were legally purchased by the parents

    At some point you got to think about why were people able to get these and use them
  • NecrotrophicNecrotrophic Isn't a communist. Joined: Posts: 5,910
    can't stop people from shooting places up, so there's no need for gun laws.

    might as well fire all the police officers since you can't stop anything by having laws.

    what's the point of having a government according to gun nuts?

    I'm straight up sick and tired of this stupid debate where gun nuts don't listen to rational arguments or empirical evidence.
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    Bypassing the whole gun debate a bit, the thing that I've always been equally fascinated and disturbed by are the most toxic portion of human race- psychopaths and sociopaths.

    They shells of humans with superficial charm, manipulative, with virtually zero empathy, only seeking wealth, power, and self-glorification by any means. Seeing as this guy's father was a noted psychopath and career criminal, and psychopathy is inheritable, do you think that people with antisocial tendencies should be tagged or refused certain privileges (like firearm possession) and human welfare/financial/government-oriented jobs where they can wreak havoc?

    Bear in mind this is different from being a mental health issue since psychopaths and sociopaths are not mentally ill, just devoid of the standard moral compass most humans naturally possess.

    "Oh hi there you haven't actually committed any crimes yets but we're going to treat you like a second class citizen because you've flagged up a few signs on our test"

    Yeah fuck that.
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    jae hoon wrote: »
    Fun fact most of the heads of Fortunte 500 companies are run by people who would be classified as sociopaths, the country is being run by the least empathetic.

    Like the NFL protests people like that won't take a stand until their pockets are threatened.
    If people express enough concern and back it up by not going to Vegas you can bet they'll th to fix that by changing laws. Vegas did it twice concerning tourism. Once to make it more family friendly to get more dollars, then back again when the money wasn't coming in like it was expected.


    There's more than enough evidence to come up with tests, from past experiences a a base, that would cause people to be on a longer waiting list, or even banned, if they met the criteria.

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    Iduno wrote: »
    Bypassing the whole gun debate a bit, the thing that I've always been equally fascinated and disturbed by are the most toxic portion of human race- psychopaths and sociopaths.

    They shells of humans with superficial charm, manipulative, with virtually zero empathy, only seeking wealth, power, and self-glorification by any means. Seeing as this guy's father was a noted psychopath and career criminal, and psychopathy is inheritable, do you think that people with antisocial tendencies should be tagged or refused certain privileges (like firearm possession) and human welfare/financial/government-oriented jobs where they can wreak havoc?

    Bear in mind this is different from being a mental health issue since psychopaths and sociopaths are not mentally ill, just devoid of the standard moral compass most humans naturally possess.

    "Oh hi there you haven't actually committed any crimes yets but we're going to treat you like a second class citizen because you've flagged up a few signs on our test"

    Yeah fuck that.

    Projecting empathy for individuals who don't really give a damn about anyone but themselves and are callously manipulative is ironic. You do realize we already have facilities specifically designed to house said individuals. Prison. 80% of male inmates and 65% of female inmates have antisocial personality disorder. So we essentially wait until they rob, rape and murder before we lock them up. They also have a shallow understanding of consequences, lack remorse, and are highly impulsive.

    Even when prison psychologists tried to make inmates with sociopathic tendencies more empathetic they realized that their sessions only made then better at mimicking and manipulating.

    And it's actually not that hard to screen people for psychopathy since there are neurological markers (or lack thereof) in the prefrontal cortex and amygdala responsible for feeling empathy. I'd rather live in a world that doesn't have psychopathic nurses, kindergarten teachers, "for the people" politicians, lawyers, judges and yes, gun owners.
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    One of the issues with Sociopaths is that they tend to be incredibly driven, so running over people to get what they want isn't an issue.
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    edited October 4
    coN wrote: »
    dab00g wrote: »
    Congress could have closed loopholes on bump stocks, silencers, assault rifle mods, crazy people, background checks but the nra paid of 58 congressmen
    What are these loopholes do you speak of?

    Do you have any examples to help clarify?

    There all kinds of crazy loop holes and I can't touch on them all, but like you can't ship a while AR 15 Rifle (civilian version of the M16) in the mail, but you can ship individual parts.
    You can own but not buy certain guns, but there nothing prohibiting buying all the parts to said gun. You can also "inherit" guns you can't normally buy.
    Also Gunshows don't require the normal background checks buying a gun from a Brick-n-mortar store has to do.
    angelpalm wrote: »


    Kids can make this shit in their spare time
    You can 3D print more than just the rifle stock and forwards hand grip, there people who made the whole gun from 3D printed parts, with only a few small critical components not being 3D printed like springs, a few screws, and so on.

    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/10/3d-print-a-serial-free-handgun-at-home-with-the-latest-ghost-gunner-update/
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    edited October 4
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/breakingnews/las-vegas-shooter-stephen-paddock-wired-dollar100000-to-philippines-last-week/ar-AAsRCGj?OCID=ansmsnnews11
    Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock wired $100,000 to an account in his live-in girlfriend’s home country of the Philippines in the week before he unleashed the worst mass shooting in modern U.S. history, according to multiple senior law enforcement officials

    ...

    Meanwhile, senior law enforcement officials told NBC News that Paddock gambled with at least $160,000 in the past several weeks at Las Vegas casinos.


    he lost 160,000 gambling and gave 100k to this philipino chick.

    not for nothing but i have a feeling either one or both things caused him to stress out.
    or...maybe it had nothing to do with it since he has been at that hotel room since early september, tho who knows if he had those weapons costing over 65k there or got them into the room more recently. he also had 7 star top status at the hotel. invitation only suite.

    saddest thing of all. is im still poor. :cry:
  • WastedWasted Verbal Diarrhetic Joined: Posts: 6,007
    edited October 4
    Thread got really active while I was asleep. Wow.

    As I understand, Nevada gunshows require background checks to be performed by an FFL holder, similar to New York and Cali.

    So perhaps he got them out of state.

    Paddock bought 33 weapons this last year:

    http://www.businessinsider.com/stephen-paddock-las-vegas-shooter-bought-33-firearms-last-year-2017-10?IR=T
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  • Pablo_the_MexPablo_the_Mex Blond Kanye Status Joined: Posts: 8,222
    Gun show loopholes are in many states. I think WA is one of them. Never checked it out for myself to see how shady it can get. I've just heard that you can essentially buy damn near anything you want out of a seller's car. I own firearms but not really a hobbyist. If you have the cash, you can get damn near anything. This guy had money, highly doubt losing 160K lead him to do such horrible thing.

  • InfernomanInfernoman Bro as Hell Joined: Posts: 9,421
    Iduno wrote: »
    Bypassing the whole gun debate a bit, the thing that I've always been equally fascinated and disturbed by are the most toxic portion of human race- psychopaths and sociopaths.

    They shells of humans with superficial charm, manipulative, with virtually zero empathy, only seeking wealth, power, and self-glorification by any means. Seeing as this guy's father was a noted psychopath and career criminal, and psychopathy is inheritable, do you think that people with antisocial tendencies should be tagged or refused certain privileges (like firearm possession) and human welfare/financial/government-oriented jobs where they can wreak havoc?

    Bear in mind this is different from being a mental health issue since psychopaths and sociopaths are not mentally ill, just devoid of the standard moral compass most humans naturally possess.

    "Oh hi there you haven't actually committed any crimes yets but we're going to treat you like a second class citizen because you've flagged up a few signs on our test"

    Yeah fuck that.

    Projecting empathy for individuals who don't really give a damn about anyone but themselves and are callously manipulative is ironic. You do realize we already have facilities specifically designed to house said individuals. Prison. 80% of male inmates and 65% of female inmates have antisocial personality disorder. So we essentially wait until they rob, rape and murder before we lock them up. They also have a shallow understanding of consequences, lack remorse, and are highly impulsive.

    Even when prison psychologists tried to make inmates with sociopathic tendencies more empathetic they realized that their sessions only made then better at mimicking and manipulating.

    And it's actually not that hard to screen people for psychopathy since there are neurological markers (or lack thereof) in the prefrontal cortex and amygdala responsible for feeling empathy. I'd rather live in a world that doesn't have psychopathic nurses, kindergarten teachers, "for the people" politicians, lawyers, judges and yes, gun owners.

    I recall you brought this up before and also added that in the past when sociopathic individuals were within a community, if they weren't being helpful, they were practically left alone or exiled if you will for the good of the community. Over time as we have progressed through history, we have been slowly allowing these dangerous people to thrive via other means believing that anyone can be reformed. Social media amplifies this more by giving them a voice others of their ilk can relate to.
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  • just5moreminutesjust5moreminutes Eagle will return Joined: Posts: 7,908
    Background checks wouldn't have done anything about this unless MAYBE you institute a hard limit on how many weapons can be bought in a period of time. The problem is weapons that technically meet the guidelines but can easily be modified into something more dangerous. He could have still killed people with a handgun, but we wouldn't be looking at 50+ dead and 200+ wounded from the 32nd floor of a hotel overlooking the venue.
  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 23,336
    Gun show loopholes are in many states. I think WA is one of them. Never checked it out for myself to see how shady it can get. I've just heard that you can essentially buy damn near anything you want out of a seller's car. I own firearms but not really a hobbyist. If you have the cash, you can get damn near anything. This guy had money, highly doubt losing 160K lead him to do such horrible thing.

    With a Enough cash you can legally get some serious Military Infantry hardware.
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  • WastedWasted Verbal Diarrhetic Joined: Posts: 6,007
    edited October 4
    can't stop people from shooting places up, so there's no need for gun laws.

    Nobody here is advocating for the removal or relaxation of gun laws. Not even me.
    might as well fire all the police officers since you can't stop anything by having laws.

    Gun laws are fine and necessary. But guess what: Laws didn't stop this, and nobody has put forward any plausible law that might have prevented it.
    what's the point of having a government according to gun nuts?

    To provide police, military and courts.
    I'm straight up sick and tired of this stupid debate where gun nuts don't listen to rational arguments or empirical evidence.

    Of which you have provided none.

    If you want to reduce deaths, start looking at "why" people do things like this, not how.

    http://nationalpost.com/opinion/leah-libresco-i-thought-gun-control-was-the-answer-then-my-research-told-me-otherwise

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/gun-deaths-mass-shootings/

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  • ReticentlyReticently Joined: Posts: 3,938
    edited October 5
    Double post
  • FreezingCicadaFreezingCicada Joined: Posts: 626
    Reticently wrote: »

    So. Wouldnt it make more sense to get a gun then to ban it then?