Spark/SparkCE Optical Joystick Sensor for JLF

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  • SupahRreemSupahRreem Joined: Posts: 492
    Thank you for your quick response in my questions now can plan on purchasing this item along with a kitty board. Im going to have to dual mod sooner or later if I want to play in tournies/casuals so why not spend the extra money.
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  • Kuya_JoeKuya_Joe AKA BlindWithOneArm Joined: Posts: 2,816 ✭✭
    Thank you for your quick response in my questions now can plan on purchasing this item along with a kitty board. Im going to have to dual mod sooner or later if I want to play in tournies/casuals so why not spend the extra money.
    http://gdlk.co/
    its all there. when purchasing the Kitty pay attention to what model you have and what total components you need to order... there are specific harnesses on the site for specific TE's
    But it wasn't good enough right? Because it wasn't cleared by you lol...
    -YESMASTER...
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  • DigitlSamuraiDigitlSamurai Joined: Posts: 73
    I'm interested in getting a SparkCE when they become available but I have a few questions first.

    1. Will the joystick still be as loose as the original Spark but with adjustable sensitivity?
    2. Is it possible to adjust it to be as sensitive as the original microswitch board where you only have to move the joystick slightly away from the center for it to activate?
    3. Is it available yet and if not, can I pre-order it? How much will it cost? If they aren't available yet, do you know when they will be?
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  • ToodlesToodles da Fetus of Gawd! Joined: Posts: 10,777
    1. The physical feel of the stick will be the same, same as any optical.
    2. The range of sensitivity can be adjusted as tight or as loose as you like; so sensitive that moving the stick before the spring starts resisting activates, or so insensitive it has to be at the restrictor gate to activate, and anywhere in between.
    3. No, no. Not sure. No, but I'm shooting for Evo.
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  • taekuataekua Seeked warrior Joined: Posts: 55
    1. The physical feel of the stick will be the same, same as any optical.
    2. The range of sensitivity can be adjusted as tight or as loose as you like; so sensitive that moving the stick before the spring starts resisting activates, or so insensitive it has to be at the restrictor gate to activate, and anywhere in between.
    3. No, no. Not sure. No, but I'm shooting for Evo.


    I would love to buy one of this..... if ants are not included if you know what I mean..... just kidding Im the one from mexico that bought original spark, I will install it today and test how confy it is .... I sent you an idea for a product that might sell well.... anyway keep doing the excellent work that you do....
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  • JayduckyJayducky Stupid Questions---> Joined: Posts: 668 ✭✭
    Toodles, what is the difference between the few SparkCE prototypes that are currently out in the wild and the official batch that is soon to be released?
    Step 1: Put a hole in the box.
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  • ToodlesToodles da Fetus of Gawd! Joined: Posts: 10,777
    The only difference is that the resistance range is from 30-130 ohms instead of the 15-115 range. Otherwise, they're identical, 100% same parts except the minimum 'safety' resistor is higher since everyone was saying it was completely unusable and instable at below 40ish ohms.
    As far as any customers are concerned, it's identical.
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  • DigitlSamuraiDigitlSamurai Joined: Posts: 73
    How can I keep track of whether the Spark CE is available to order yet?
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  • gahrlinggahrling Better safe than Hori.. Joined: Posts: 3,533 ✭✭✭✭
    How can I keep track of whether the Spark CE is available to order yet?


    I expect it will be announced in this thread.

    Keep it on watch.
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  • ToodlesToodles da Fetus of Gawd! Joined: Posts: 10,777
    I'll be putting them up on the website shortly before I leave, so sometime in the next 20ish hours or so. I'll have 19 of them on hand for sale, so first come, first served. If I can make it happen, I hope to have a cool display piece for them as well so people can grok the awesomeness of the adjustable sensitivity.

    Im a tinge worried though; if people see how awesome they are, they could run me out, and the production models arent scheduled to arrive until the 20th or so. I fear I may have to break my 'no preorder' policy, simply because the SparkCE's are the focus of the banner ad that should be on the stream. Maybe they wont be popular and I wont run out until the production ones arrive, I simply dont know.

    So, if you're going to Evo, pick one up quick if you want 'em. Otherwise, you'll be free to order from the site, but with the caveat that it may be towards the end of July before they're shipped out to you . I'll very much understand the folks that will want to wait until they're on hand.
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  • DigitlSamuraiDigitlSamurai Joined: Posts: 73
    Thanks for the update. I, unfortunately can't go to EVO, but I'd like to order a SparkCE as soon as I can.
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  • shortman1243shortman1243 Joined: Posts: 257
    Have anyone tried the spark with the hori edge joystick??? If so are there any different for a JLF??? XD
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  • pablofsipablofsi Joined: Posts: 124
    ¿What happens if I want to use a different model of actuator with my JLF? (cylinder), ¿would the highest sensitivity (lowest ohms) be the same?.
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  • ToodlesToodles da Fetus of Gawd! Joined: Posts: 10,777
    Thanks for the update. I, unfortunately can't go to EVO, but I'd like to order a SparkCE as soon as I can.
    Place an order for a Spark on the website; Evo prices didn't get updated to the website (grrr), so just order a Spark and I'll be sending a SparkCE
    I'll get the changes to the website asap, but the Spark has been reduced to $35, while the SparkCE will take its place at $55.
    Have anyone tried the spark with the hori edge joystick??? If so are there any different for a JLF??? XD
    It's made for a JLF, and the edge uses their new joystick. I doubt highly it will work.
    ¿What happens if I want to use a different model of actuator with my JLF? (cylinder), ¿would the highest sensitivity (lowest ohms) be the same?.
    No idea. I can't make any promises since it's made for the stock actuator. If you have any problems, please change back to the stock actuator. Also, please remember that the Spark and SparkCE work backwards with the actuators: an actuator that makes the microswitch version more sensitive will make the Spark and SparkCE LESS sensitive.
    And since it's light based, a shiny or metallic actuator could cause very undesirable operation. Please use the stock actuator.
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  • x24x24 Eiffel Tower! Joined: Posts: 256
    I'm totally happy with my Spark. Thanks for lowering the price on the regular one, I will fit my second stick with that. SparkCE, maybe next time.
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  • Ikagi-chanIkagi-chan Loves his HRAP2SA! <3 Joined: Posts: 1,955
    Toodles, I know it's not on your supported stick list, but you happen to have any tips for installing an optical joystick into a HRAP2SA without having to break out my Dremel? I'm trying to keep my baby in stock condition, but I really want to be able to use your SparkCE with it.
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  • DARTHLORD_SVDARTHLORD_SV Joined: Posts: 10
    Toodles, I am interested in buying the sparkCE but appreciate it if you will conduct a video tutorial with everything you need to place the sparkCE an arcade stick, preferably the SFXT V.S or HORI VX SA
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  • Mr. BastosMr. Bastos Sexy Commando! Joined: Posts: 2,133 ✭✭
    hey Toodles it was dope meeting you. I'm really digging the Spark CE I bought at EVO. feels real smooth. I may need to buy another one for my seimitsu stick. Anywho, thanks again dude.
    "I have nothing to lose but my life, and I got that for free."
    -Setzer FFVI

    "Why did God give me a brain and a penis, but not enough blood to use them both at the same time?" -Robin Williams
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  • ToodlesToodles da Fetus of Gawd! Joined: Posts: 10,777
    Toodles, I know it's not on your supported stick list, but you happen to have any tips for installing an optical joystick into a HRAP2SA without having to break out my Dremel? I'm trying to keep my baby in stock condition, but I really want to be able to use your SparkCE with it.
    HRAP2SA should have a JLF already in it. You wont need a dremel, but you would need to locate the power line on the PSX cord where it connects to the PCB under the turbo sliders. Solder the end of the power cable there, remove old clicky board, put in new SparkCE (since its a PSX stick, SparkCE is the way to go, this is for your happiness not me being sleezy about $20) and you're done.
    Toodles, I am interested in buying the sparkCE but appreciate it if you will conduct a video tutorial with everything you need to place the sparkCE an arcade stick, preferably the SFXT V.S or HORI VX SA
    I dont see that happening for a while now. I can describe in text where it should go in either stick easy enough, but trying to record even a half ass video would take an entire day that Im not in a position to spare.
    When in doubt, 'Solder exposed end of power cable to red USB wire. Swap microswitch board for SparkCE, make sure pins point in same direction, plug both connectors into SparkCE, close stick.'
    hey Toodles it was dope meeting you. I'm really digging the Spark CE I bought at EVO. feels real smooth. I may need to buy another one for my seimitsu stick. Anywho, thanks again dude.
    Likewise; if you can believe it, Im still squeeking. My voice still hasnt come back yet. I have to whisper otherwise I sound like Im going through puberty.
    Im glad you dig the SparkCE, but I have bad news about the other stick; the Spark and SparkCE work in JLFs only. I dont have anything for any Seimitsu sticks, and I dont expect to because of the crazy molding costs.
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  • Mr. BastosMr. Bastos Sexy Commando! Joined: Posts: 2,133 ✭✭
    oh nooo! haha no worries dude. Thanks for the heads up though
    "I have nothing to lose but my life, and I got that for free."
    -Setzer FFVI

    "Why did God give me a brain and a penis, but not enough blood to use them both at the same time?" -Robin Williams
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  • DARTHLORD_SVDARTHLORD_SV Joined: Posts: 10
    ok, a picture is worth a 1000 words, I understand that your time is limited but I have some doubts about proper installation, most of all in the electronics, I read this forum and the questions are: how the ohms setting?, the connection of the 3 pins on each red wire and the other two? for the 3 pins to do bridge usb cable conected to the pcb?, the sparkce brings 3-pin connector as it is for the 5?, if your desire to provide help to this noobwould appreciate you
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  • b1arghb1argh derp Joined: Posts: 359
    Will Spark CEs be available for order on the site soon? I'm eager to get one for my Qanba. :X
    aka ludwig van
    "Remember, if you're not getting punched in the face, then you could have played better. " - Chachi
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  • Sideshow20Sideshow20 I do what i gotta do to get that Win. Joined: Posts: 880
    Hey toodles it was great meeting you at EVO. Quick question about putting the spark on the kitty board
    I can put the power wire in any of the screw terminals?
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  • gahrlinggahrling Better safe than Hori.. Joined: Posts: 3,533 ✭✭✭✭
    Quick question about putting the spark on the kitty board I can put the power wire in any of the screw terminals?


    "Screw down the free end of the power wire into the 'V Red' screw terminal in the 'XBOX' section; the bottom-most screw terminal."
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  • Sideshow20Sideshow20 I do what i gotta do to get that Win. Joined: Posts: 880
    "Screw down the free end of the power wire into the 'V Red' screw terminal in the 'XBOX' section; the bottom-most screw terminal."

    thanks man.
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  • ToodlesToodles da Fetus of Gawd! Joined: Posts: 10,777
    ok, a picture is worth a 1000 words, I understand that your time is limited but I have some doubts about proper installation, most of all in the electronics, I read this forum and the questions are: how the ohms setting?, the connection of the 3 pins on each red wire and the other two? for the 3 pins to do bridge usb cable conected to the pcb?, the sparkce brings 3-pin connector as it is for the 5?, if your desire to provide help to this noobwould appreciate you
    Spark and SparkCE come with a a power wire. That one wire ends in a 3 pin connector. You connect the three pin connector to the Spark/SparkCE, and the other end of the wire to power, usually +5 volts. There is also a five pin connector on the Spark/SparkCE that is identical to the five pin connector on a standard JLF. That is all.
    The other two pins on the Spark/SparkCE are not used. On the SparkCE, you can measure the resistance between the two pins to see what the sensitivity is set to and use that to help you adjust, but when working, they are unused.
    Will Spark CEs be available for order on the site soon? I'm eager to get one for my Qanba. :X
    Since the price changes didnt get updated in time for Evo, any orders for Spark since Evo started will be sent a SparkCE. You are free to place an order for the $55 Spark on the website whenever you like, and you'll receive a SparkCE. Those that want the $35 Spark will have to wait for the website to be updated.
    Hey toodles it was great meeting you at EVO. Quick question about putting the spark on the kitty board
    I can put the power wire in any of the screw terminals?
    Assuming you mean a TE Kitty, the best place to connect the power wire is the VCC screw terminal in the XBOX half; the bottom-most screw terminal if memory serves. The one holding the red wire going to the original 360 TE PCB.
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  • aldantefaxaldantefax Joined: Posts: 4
    Just wanted to chime in and say I picked up a SparkCE at Evo and I got it installed, though thanks to a bad wire strip job on my Kitty I had to do a pull-through on the XBOX VCC instead. Works just fine even without any solder. When checking resistance, what pins are you supposed to check with a multimeter when making adjustments? I'm just basically fiddling around with it and adjusting by feel.
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  • ToodlesToodles da Fetus of Gawd! Joined: Posts: 10,777
    Just wanted to chime in and say I picked up a SparkCE at Evo and I got it installed, though thanks to a bad wire strip job on my Kitty I had to do a pull-through on the XBOX VCC instead. Works just fine even without any solder. When checking resistance, what pins are you supposed to check with a multimeter when making adjustments? I'm just basically fiddling around with it and adjusting by feel.
    Adjusting by feel is the way to go; the whole idea is to get it set to your liking. The only time you should want to check with a meter is either when you find your personal sweet spot and want to jot it down, or when you're trying to adjust it and get lost. To check, remove the three pin connector, and check the resistance between the outer two pins of the three pin connector. Possible range is like 30-130, so use the 200 ohm setting on your meter if it doesn't auto-range. My personal sweet spot, and the one I try to set them to when they ship, is 45 ohms. The lower the resistance, the higher the sensitivity, and visa versa.
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  • aldantefaxaldantefax Joined: Posts: 4
    Great! I had figured it was something like that, I still haven't unpacked my stick from transport as of yet. Thanks very much for the heads up.
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  • nEvuhnEvuh Photo you? I do. Joined: Posts: 88
    Picked my SparkCE up at EVO and right away I fell in love with it. The setting at 45 is great I may change it, but i really do think it is the "sweet spot" that Toodles and the testers found. Well worth the money if you are thinking about picking one up.
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  • johnhandyjohnhandy Joined: Posts: 161
    Ordered a Spark CE because the wife complains about the microswitch clicking sounds. It definitely feels different without the extra resistance from the microswitches. The stock JLF spring feels a bit too light with the Spark. One Home Depot spring stacked with the stock JLF spring feels good for me. I will definitely be ordering a second one in the future. :)
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  • phaedrusphaedrus Joined: Posts: 800 ✭✭
    You can also try the one spring to rule them all = LS-55
    7 button is trap.
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  • johnhandyjohnhandy Joined: Posts: 161
    Yeah, but I couldn't justify the shipping cost from the usual shops for that $1 part with nothing else to order at the moment. I'll definitely give it a whirl the next time I order buttons, etc.
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  • RosserRoosterRosserRooster Cocka-doodle-do MoFo Joined: Posts: 2,069
    Yeah, but I couldn't justify the shipping cost from the usual shops for that $1 part with nothing else to order at the moment. I'll definitely give it a whirl the next time I order buttons, etc.
    You should check out Paradise Arcade's springs for the JLF. They have five different tension levels. The thing about stacking springs you will get a funny spot that will throw you off
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  • rtdzignrtdzign Joined: Posts: 5,136
    Hey Toodles,
    I've been using an LS-55 spring with my Spark opticals, I'm curious if you have tried any of the Paradise arcade springs with the Spark or spark CE. I am looking for a spring that feels about equal or slightly stiffer than the LS-55 spring. I am about to order the new Spark CE and am going to get a few springs.
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  • b1arghb1argh derp Joined: Posts: 359
    Hey, just wanted to drop in and say that I'm really enjoying my Spark. Definitely worth it imo, if I needed another stick I'd buy another Spark for it.
    aka ludwig van
    "Remember, if you're not getting punched in the face, then you could have played better. " - Chachi
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  • NightmareNightmare Joined: Posts: 71
    Toodles! I'd like to say the SparkCE is GODLIKE! I have a little flaw in it though. It seems like it won't catch Diagonal Up/Right. I've tested it by an input screen doing 360 clockwise/counter-clockwise. I definetly roll it around the square gate. It doesn't like to catch sometimes. Tiger Knees are perfect. It's just when I roll the stick from right to up, or up to right... it'll miss the diagonal. Do you have any suggestions would it could be? My arcade stick is a stock Madcatz TE R1 Xbox360.

    Also, I had a larger actuator that I bought from Kowal that's made of Aluminum. It was to shorten the throw of the stick. I can confirm it doesn't work with the SparkCE since it's optical. i thought throw that in there since I knew someone would ask someday.
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  • ToodlesToodles da Fetus of Gawd! Joined: Posts: 10,777
    Glad you like it.
    The very first thing I'd recommend would be for you to pop the SparkCE out, and take a peek at it. Take the black housing off, and you'll see eight LED things on the board. If the housing is put on too roughly, any one of them can get bent so they lean forwards or backwards. Take a good look at each one, if it doesn't look perfectly perpindicular to the pcb, bend it so it's upright. After you've checked them, GENTLY put the housing back on and reinstall in the stick and play with it. You may also want to kick the sensitivity up some. If the problem persists, let me know and we'll arrange to get you swapped out.
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  • NightmareNightmare Joined: Posts: 71
    I'll check it out in a few... How exactly do I adjust the sensitivity? I'm clueless in that dept. I don't see no diagrams or what I just.
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  • ToodlesToodles da Fetus of Gawd! Joined: Posts: 10,777
    There's a blue potentiometer right next to the three pin power connector. On it is a slot for a small flat bladed screw driver. Turn counter clockwise for more sensitive, clockwise for less sensitive. I'd suggest doing about 1/2 turns at a time and testing, and repeat as needed.
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  • NightmareNightmare Joined: Posts: 71
    I have this weird issue... I know the difference... Just seeing if I can use this.

    If I have a larger black actuator to shorten the throw.. I get all my movements without the square gate on... As soon as I snap my square gate in I only get an up and down. If I roughly 360 it I'll get a right on a rare occasion. Any idea why this is?

    If I wanted to check my sensitivity... Where would I use the meter?
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  • ToodlesToodles da Fetus of Gawd! Joined: Posts: 10,777
    The Spark is sensitive and made to work with the stock JLF actuator. If your custom actuator doesn't work with it, then put the original back in.
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  • DigitlSamuraiDigitlSamurai Joined: Posts: 73
    I've been using the SparkCE for about a week and it's great!
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  • alphakennyalphakenny Joined: Posts: 62
    Question...does the original spark not work with a single 360 TE pcb setup? I got a spare one and hooked it up to a TE. Now it just won't be recognized by the 360, but works fine if i disconnect the joystick harness.
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  • ToodlesToodles da Fetus of Gawd! Joined: Posts: 10,777
    Nope, it's worked great in a ton of 360 TE's.
    It does have a problem with the 360 BrawlStick though.
    Post up some pictures so we can see how it went.
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  • Kuya_JoeKuya_Joe AKA BlindWithOneArm Joined: Posts: 2,816 ✭✭
    I did find one R1 TE that it had problems with at EVO... I had the guy replace it with a Spark CE and it worked 100%
    But it wasn't good enough right? Because it wasn't cleared by you lol...
    -YESMASTER...
    "She doesn't need a mouth to tell me how cute she is. "
    JDM714 epic...
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  • ToodlesToodles da Fetus of Gawd! Joined: Posts: 10,777
    No kidding? I didn't know about that.
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  • alphakennyalphakenny Joined: Posts: 62
    So yea, here is the full story:
    • the setup is a OG chimp + 360 R1 TE. The wiring should be fine since it still works when i remove the spark and put back the JLF pcb.
    • It also works if i disconnect the joystick harness from the 360 pcb (ie the sparking is still powered - not a power issue?)
    • The whole setup + spark did work when I first put it together for about 20 minutes. But it was dead the next time I turned my 360 on.
    Now, all my issues are with the 360. PS3 mode works fine.

    PIcs:
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/56674031@N02/7668962016/
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/56674031@N02/7668960366/
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/56674031@N02/7668958446/
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/56674031@N02/7668955246/
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  • ToodlesToodles da Fetus of Gawd! Joined: Posts: 10,777
    Easiest option would be to upgrade to a SparkCE.
    Cheapest option would be to use four diodes on the four signal lines from the Spark. Cut the four signal wires going to the Spark, put a diode in the way with the band on the diode on the SparkCE side.
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  • alphakennyalphakenny Joined: Posts: 62
    So basically, cut the joystick harness and reconnect with a diode in between each wire? Also, which kind of diode should i buy?
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