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  • DreamfireDreamfire ~And it's a long way forward, so trust in me. I'll give them shelter, like you've done for me.~ Joined: Posts: 167 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    after a few more sessions, I can see why CC is dire for birdie. But this is going off online experience which I find very difficult for me to play.

    But i notice some very difficult match up with Adon/Bison. Besides CC punishing situation, I'm finding little punishable scenario against them. So far I just try to get HP lead and try to turtle them out, how ever its hard to do this consistently.

    What do you mean difficult? Are you used to offline play in this? Adon shouldn't be too much of a problem, everything he does is punishable. Any blocked jaguar kick (besides a perfectly spaced one when the moons align) is a free CC, or c.lk xx headbutt. Any strength jaguar tooth he does, is a free CC before he lands as well. Just run typical Birdie game with those in mind. As for Bison, I don't really know I havn't ran that matchup a lot.
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  • keo-baskeo-bas Joined: Posts: 1,974
    yeah, I have no execution problem offline, but supercade and ggpo is another story. I normally read block spark animation for reversal, in online play I have trouble reading. (not to mention input delay)
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  • CSSCSS i quit mashing custom finally Joined: Posts: 174
    bump for the GOAT dead game
    NickRocks wrote: »
    And GGPO players wont travel, they are like 14 and play on keyboard
  • jamiejame911jamiejame911 Ever learning Joined: Posts: 424
    Does anyone on the net upload new Japanese A2 matches?
    Casually playing:
    SFIV: Fei, Yun
    ST: Ryu, Deejay
    SG: Valentine
  • Unlimited2fightUnlimited2fight Joined: Posts: 3
    I upload some good matches from japan and from other countries..check my channel and you will see good A2 matches for sure ;)
    heres the link:
    http://www.youtube.com/user/Unlimited2fight
    I Hope more good players showed up, in the sfa2 room
  • TNBTNB Bye. Joined: Posts: 1,180
    Just a little something..
    Anyone have any starts for keeping the pressure on with ken vs gief?

    I've watched mattsun, but extra info would be nice. I do sweeps into rolls and such and try to stay in max footsie range, going in when I feel it is safe. I learned i can blatantly srk or even cc grab attempts, which is good.
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  • Unlimited2fightUnlimited2fight Joined: Posts: 3
    Well the best characters to face gief (imo) is ken,chunli and dhalsim..so to keep the pressure on gief with ken you have many options.
    You can be agressive using the style rushdown, and pressure him with constant c.lk + c.rh + roll into grab or intead do the blowout CC( be aware that larilat can cut the blowout CC if donne fast, so if you suspect he´s going to do that, wait and activate the CC after and start it with C.rh for Valle CC); point blank C.mk + c.rh into hadoken / roll into another set up..and so on (ken as ALOT of set ups).
    You can zone him too with foot games, and force him to jump at you, so that you can activate your anti air CC ( watch out if he does not have any meter, cuz if he as he can counter your anti air CC with another CC and pass by it..be careful on that).
    You have alot of options and as you said, you can use CCs to escape gief SPD and his super "atomic buster"..its a good way to escape his magic grab strategy, or if youre good in reversals, you can SRK him (but dont get too predictable on that, or he´ll empty jump you to make you think hes going for the "magic grab" and when you do the reversal SRK, he´ll guard and punish you badly for your mistake.

    Here some links of 2 good matches of ken against gief:



  • otakugamer223otakugamer223 GGPO scrub Joined: Posts: 286
    There's something very strange I discovered when playing A2 Guy the other day... this may be known already but I've never seen it before (if it matters, I was on SF Alpha Anthology A2 regular, not NFBA/GGPO)

    I was just practicing corner kick throw in the corner, when, right in the middle of kicking, he thew in the other direction (the animation for the HP throw.) I don't think it does any damage which might make it useless, but does anyone know anything about this?
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  • jedpossumjedpossum Ok, Darling Joined: Posts: 4,227

    Background Object removal
    I know this will fix most stages. The only one i'm not sure about is Rolento's stage.

    I occasionally stream so you can see how boring poking around in the memory is. www.hitbox.tv/jedpossum

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  • RagingStormXRagingStormX Team Arcade Stream Joined: Posts: 5,199 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG

    Background Object removal
    I know this will fix most stages. The only one i'm not sure about is Rolento's stage.
    I'd rather just hold start on Ryu and pick his stage lol.
  • AquasharkAquashark Mekong Delta AirRaid Joined: Posts: 1,540
    Background Object removal
    I know this will fix most stages. The only one i'm not sure about is Rolento's stage.
    how did you do that? does it work online?
    hello friends, my name is Drago Umeharevich from CrossCounter Balkans
  • jedpossumjedpossum Ok, Darling Joined: Posts: 4,227
    It will cause desyncs online if your opponent doesn't have the patch.

    I found in the ram where the background objects were located. Then set a watch point to figure which command activated them then set a break point and trace log to look at the code. Go to that place in the Rom. I turned all the zero's to a -1 so when the game adds 1 to activate. The objects are off since -1+1=0.

    I occasionally stream so you can see how boring poking around in the memory is. www.hitbox.tv/jedpossum

    [8/6/2014 8:19:53 PM] Pasky: jedpossum, hacker of the obscure fighting games

  • AquasharkAquashark Mekong Delta AirRaid Joined: Posts: 1,540
    hello friends, my name is Drago Umeharevich from CrossCounter Balkans
  • TNBTNB Bye. Joined: Posts: 1,180
    This isn't all that advanced but I'd like to know how to fight some gimmicks.

    Akuma tatsu spam.
    I want to punish this move HARD. I was playing against a Brazilian and he was just BELLIGERENTLY abusing this move.
    It's really safe on block, gains meter, and on hit it juggles. I've tried shoto c hp and it doesn't work, which is lame.

    I can jab it with most of the characters I've tried but that isn't all that great. No dmg.
    That being said I can probably just start a cc with jabs and go into something more damaging.
    I can Shoryu it with good timing. That said it could be supered/ shoryu cc'd.
    Dunno about Choonri upkick cc.

    Dunno about AC. Scared to try it, might act like it's own AC reversal tbh because of how much it hits.
    Would chun sweep beat it like an air move?

    Ken clk, chk sting to ambiguous roll setups.Will a properly Ac'd hk beat even an ambiguous roll? If I guess wrong and the other player has meter stocked I eat a huge damage CC.
    Mattsun even uses these setups. But are they safe enough to be legit? They seem really hard to guess unless there's a clear pattern set by the opponent.
    and.. rolling.
    214 input?
    A bit too basic, yes. I'm not used to rolling in this. I know it's punishable if done incorrectly though as I've hit a recent opponent out of them.
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  • CSSCSS i quit mashing custom finally Joined: Posts: 174
    edited April 2013
    I've got nothing else to do.

    Chun Tier
    Chun-Li

    Does Your Character Have To Play Footsies? He Doesn't Tier
    Evil Ryu

    "Fair" Top Tier
    Rose
    Akuma
    Ken
    Ryu

    Black Ops 2: Sticks and Stones Tier
    Rolento

    Manliest Tier
    Zangief

    Girliest Tier
    Sakura

    For Try-Hards Tier
    Sodom
    Dhalsim
    M.Bison
    Charlie
    Sagat
    Guy
    Adon
    Gen
    Birdie
    Dan

    No Custom Combo = No Bueno Tier
    Old Dhalsim
    Old Zangief
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    NickRocks wrote: »
    And GGPO players wont travel, they are like 14 and play on keyboard
  • otterotter CFN: otter- Joined: Posts: 4,652
    can anyone recommend some good Charlie player to watch in this game? I'd like to learn this shit.
  • RagingStormXRagingStormX Team Arcade Stream Joined: Posts: 5,199 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    I'm one if the few Charlie's on there you can add me on Skype for matches same as srk name
  • RagingStormXRagingStormX Team Arcade Stream Joined: Posts: 5,199 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    TNB wrote: »
    This isn't all that advanced but I'd like to know how to fight some gimmicks.

    Akuma tatsu spam.
    I want to punish this move HARD. I was playing against a Brazilian and he was just BELLIGERENTLY abusing this move.
    It's really safe on block, gains meter, and on hit it juggles. I've tried shoto c hp and it doesn't work, which is lame.

    I can jab it with most of the characters I've tried but that isn't all that great. No dmg.
    That being said I can probably just start a cc with jabs and go into something more damaging.
    I can Shoryu it with good timing. That said it could be supered/ shoryu cc'd.
    Dunno about Choonri upkick cc.

    Dunno about AC. Scared to try it, might act like it's own AC reversal tbh because of how much it hits.
    Would chun sweep beat it like an air move?

    Ken clk, chk sting to ambiguous roll setups.Will a properly Ac'd hk beat even an ambiguous roll? If I guess wrong and the other player has meter stocked I eat a huge damage CC.
    Mattsun even uses these setups. But are they safe enough to be legit? They seem really hard to guess unless there's a clear pattern set by the opponent.
    and.. rolling.
    214 input?
    A bit too basic, yes. I'm not used to rolling in this. I know it's punishable if done incorrectly though as I've hit a recent opponent out of them.

    Air tatsu spam is beat by sweeps and such. As for roll set ups they are hard to see online a bit easier off but true ambiguous set ups work fine.
  • AquasharkAquashark Mekong Delta AirRaid Joined: Posts: 1,540
    posted some random GGPO matches on my channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/pokeshark/videos
    hello friends, my name is Drago Umeharevich from CrossCounter Balkans
  • ArcadePlayersTVArcadePlayersTV Joined: Posts: 3
    this thread is so silent

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  • Ace LondonAce London Joined: Posts: 195 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    this thread is so silent

    Do you have any footage of the Japanese Alpha 2 player DAVIDOFF?
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  • RagingStormXRagingStormX Team Arcade Stream Joined: Posts: 5,199 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Final Round 18 is holding A2 with 240 dollar bonus pot.
  • RichterRichter ~~~00~~~ Joined: Posts: 1,878
    Is that A2 tourney on Friday or Saturday? I'm probably going to play 3rd Strike the majority of the time but an A2 tourney sounds fun
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  • RagingStormXRagingStormX Team Arcade Stream Joined: Posts: 5,199 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Supposed to be Friday.
  • TSTS pbbbbbbt... Joined: Posts: 4,302 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Ace London wrote: »
    Do you have any footage of the Japanese Alpha 2 player DAVIDOFF?
    http://www.fightcade.com/replay/

    Search for his SN
  • iWinWeDateiWinWeDate Whiff punish everything. Joined: Posts: 298
    How is this game played online?
  • Mr. WarzardMr. Warzard CvS2 Commissioner Gordon Joined: Posts: 785
    Is "davidoff" actually GunterJPN? He plays Gief too...
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  • RagingStormXRagingStormX Team Arcade Stream Joined: Posts: 5,199 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Is "davidoff" actually GunterJPN? He plays Gief too...

    Idk I could ask him if you want.
  • mattmonster1991mattmonster1991 Joined: Posts: 139
    i wana know if davidoff is clorets they dominate play alot alike hit confirm alot alike on gods level
  • RagingStormXRagingStormX Team Arcade Stream Joined: Posts: 5,199 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    I remember when clorets first started playing. Dude got real good after a few years. I used to wreck him bad. I like his gen.
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