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  • TSTS pbbbbbbt... Joined: Posts: 4,303 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    The fans wanted Goku. Toriyama was clearly trying to work towards Gohan being The One and all, but after the Cell games he got dumped on in favor of Goku, much like the entire cast.

    I've noticed that there's a difference between dubbed Goku and the subtitled Goku, with the English dub seeming twice as douche-baggy.
  • Milk StoneMilk Stone Joined: Posts: 200
    The fans wanted Goku. Toriyama was clearly trying to work towards Gohan being The One and all, but after the Cell games he got dumped on in favor of Goku, much like the entire cast.

    I've noticed that there's a difference between dubbed Goku and the subtitled Goku, with the English dub seeming twice as douche-baggy.

    I had no problem with Goku being the strongest since he was the main character and all, but I hated how from Z through GT everyone else just sucked, and by everyone I mean the non-saiyans. Yamcha, Piccolo, Krillin, Tien, they were all dope... but became useless.


    Anyway, is Budokai 3 the best DBZ game for PS2? Interested in "getting" it.
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    Tenkaichi 2 has a fuckload of characters.
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  • AzraelAzrael Epic Calling! Joined: Posts: 3,258
    Yeah, Toriyama REALLY wanted to shift the focus on Gohan, but the fans just weren't having it - they still loved Goku. It's why Goku always seems to peace out for awhile, but then ultimately come back and save the day.

    In the Japanese version, Goku ditching everybody is just a part of his child-like character. You know he never grew up, so its plausible. Like at the end of DBZ when he leaves to go train Uubu, he's just like "cool strong new opponent whee!!!!" and all the other characters are like "WHAT THE FU- ah, classic Goku!" In the dubbed version - yeah, he's just an asshole. Things lost in translation I suppose.

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    Definitely need to work that EX Tatsu wake-up into my gameplan. Sacrificing damage and stun meter for psychological damage. That's some next level shit right there.

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    Aight, now that I know there's a big enough Dragonball fanbase here:

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    Sorry, I just have to pimp this site. It's a great resource, it has an entertaining podcast, and the webmaster is a huge SF fan (where do you think the EX came from?).

    And Budokai 3 is a damn solid game. Greatest Hits version is the version to get, as it is dual language and has extra unlockable costumes. However, from what I've played, Super DBZ has the better engine by far. Which I just saw today for about 15 bucks. I may have to cop that soon...
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  • Milk StoneMilk Stone Joined: Posts: 200
    A lot of mixed reviews about it on Gamespot, and it got a worse review as well.

    But interesting how it's made by the same team who made SFII?
  • AzraelAzrael Epic Calling! Joined: Posts: 3,258
    DaizenshuuEX is still around? :bluu:

    I have Super DBZ. It's not bad, but kinda linear. I also have Sparking Neo! (what's the title in America?) which I like as a 1P game, not sure how it stacks up as 2P. But Neo's probably my favorite DBZ game.

    Torem_Kamina:

    Definitely need to work that EX Tatsu wake-up into my gameplan. Sacrificing damage and stun meter for psychological damage. That's some next level shit right there.

  • MarkudeaMarkudea "D" Supporter Joined: Posts: 538
    oh the main thing that pissed me off of any akira toriyama shit is his blatant racism.

    I agree, especially how he made Mr. Popo and the job that he had. That was clear-as-day racism...
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  • Kusanagi02Kusanagi02 Joined: Posts: 5,460
    Yeah, Toriyama REALLY wanted to shift the focus on Gohan, but the fans just weren't having it - they still loved Goku. It's why Goku always seems to peace out for awhile, but then ultimately come back and save the day.

    In the Japanese version, Goku ditching everybody is just a part of his child-like character. You know he never grew up, so its plausible. Like at the end of DBZ when he leaves to go train Uubu, he's just like "cool strong new opponent whee!!!!" and all the other characters are like "WHAT THE FU- ah, classic Goku!" In the dubbed version - yeah, he's just an asshole. Things lost in translation I suppose.

    Thats the main reason why i hated Buu saga with a passion. That saga should have ended with Gohan,Goten and Trunks saving the day. Not Goku and his deux ex machina the Spirit bomb.
  • Tone!Tone! so what you do is Joined: Posts: 1,401

    Anyway, is Budokai 3 the best DBZ game for PS2? Interested in "getting" it.

    I would say it's either that or Super DBZ. Budokai 3 is actually pretty damn fun, especially with the character customization through capsules. It may not be the most deepest and technical fighter, but it sure is a blast to go through capsules to see what kind of nice combinations you can make up.

    Super DBZ is alright too, but I think it just needed a bit more polish. Feels way too clunky to me. It really could use a sequel or a revision..
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    Brolly is the most badass character in DBZ:cool:
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  • 2pacnbiggie2pacnbiggie Fuck Jay Z Joined: Posts: 159
    whats so good about budokai 3? after i played budokai 1-2 i kinda gave up on the series and thought the control scheme was wack...(pppe for moves, no flight etc..)

    but last year i went and got the budokai tenkaichi 2 and loved it, the controls were great, easy to learn, and it was actually like it is on the show, good combos, teleports during fights and everything

    i always hear that budokai 3 is good but was scared to try it.... does that game differ much from budokai 1 and 2?

    and how does it stack up to budokai tenkaichi 2?
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  • TrunksSS3TrunksSS3 S3ntinel DestroysALL Joined: Posts: 312
    budokai 3 is the best DBZ game ever IMO

    i never did like tenkaichi ..hate the camera view in the game is to wild , so i never picked up part 2

    PS: The Japanese music is the best, you got to love the 1st intro theme =]
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  • WellmanWellman Joined: Posts: 3,953
    Yeah, Toriyama REALLY wanted to shift the focus on Gohan, but the fans just weren't having it - they still loved Goku. It's why Goku always seems to peace out for awhile, but then ultimately come back and save the day.

    Yeah, but did it seem to anyone else that he almost kept trying to end the series even before Cell game? I mean the way most of the storyarcs ended it almost felt like they kept pushing him to do more and up the ante until by the time DB ended we got DBZ, which starts out with Goku dying. Obviously it couldn't end like that completely but even the end of the first saga had Goku not actually beat Vegeta completely.

    But maybe that is just me.
    In the Japanese version, Goku ditching everybody is just a part of his child-like character. You know he never grew up, so its plausible. Like at the end of DBZ when he leaves to go train Uubu, he's just like "cool strong new opponent whee!!!!" and all the other characters are like "WHAT THE FU- ah, classic Goku!" In the dubbed version - yeah, he's just an asshole. Things lost in translation I suppose.

    I still say that was a bitch move for a a 40+ year old dude to make. Don't know how the translation can help, child-like maybe, but still just as selfish as any other dude leaving his family to go fuck around.
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  • BBCampbellBBCampbell Busy bein' DELICIOUS Joined: Posts: 514
    Raditz never actually did a move called Double Sunday. They just gave him moved named after days of the week for some reason.

    This was a FUNimation created move.

    Basically, they made DB: Budokai and wanted to put Raditz in it (even though his whole purpose in it was to job to the heroes, it's like putting in Ninja Murasaki, which would actually fucking rock if they made an original Dragon Ball fighting game, but anyway...).

    However, Raditz was only in like 6 episodes so he had no moves. So they gave him one in the game and called it Double Sunday.

    Then FUNimation redubbed the first few epsiodes of DBZ, strangely completely re-using the original script, which was waaaaay the fuck off (though taking out the whole "Next Dimension" thing and the "Home for Infinite Losers", because characters in a kids' show can't die and they sure as hell can't go to... umm... hell...). Seeing as Raditz now had a move name, they decided that he was going to "do" this move now.

    Kind of like having Kylie Minogue kick a guy in SFTM and calling it the Cannon Spike (yeah, I know it was called "Thrust Kick" in the movie, shut up.)
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    boy i do love me some dragon ball. :lovin: all this dbz talk has been making me watch the ocean dub of the cell saga now. someone's posting entire episodes...

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    screw the video thread. :wink:



    but man, listening to drummond and mcneil deliver their natural voices to vegeta and piccolo just reminded me of how horrible and jarring sabat's raspy immitations were. had it not been for the trashy music, this dub would've been golden.





    but not all of FUNimation's cast was terrible. i thought their goku, roshi, oolong and tenshinhan, were much better than the original voices.
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    Brolly is the most badass NON-CANON character in DBZ:cool:

    Fixed.


    (Off Topic) The Piccolo vs Android 17 fight is so underrated it's not funny.
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    i think if DBGT wasnt trying to focus only on trunk, goku, pan and turned goku into child would of turn out better....
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    i just like how their was no super saiyans for like 1000 years then all of sudden everyone could be a super saiyan. I dont think any saiyans didnt go super at least once.
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  • BBCampbellBBCampbell Busy bein' DELICIOUS Joined: Posts: 514
    Well, as previously stated before, the series was supposed to end after the Freeza/Frieza saga (BTW, DBZ came out at around the same time as Batman & Robin, hence FUNimation/Saban spelling it the way they did).

    Thus, Goku was supposed to be the one and only Legendary Super Saiyan. However, since the series was continued, things like making Vegeta, Trunks, Gohan, et al Super Saiyans came up.

    Then, the series was supposed to be all about Gohan, what with him being the first to go SSJ2 and Goku dying again, but the fans wouldn't have that, so Goku came back to life and went SSJ3.

    Then, Dragon Ball (Z) ended, and the fans wouldn't have THAT, hence the abomination known as DBGT.

    So, to all of you who complain that companies don't listen to the fans, see what happens when they do?
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  • Rhio2kRhio2k Senior Member Joined: Posts: 11,510 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    budokai 3 is the best DBZ game ever IMO

    i never did like tenkaichi ..hate the camera view in the game is to wild , so i never picked up part 2

    PS: The Japanese music is the best, you got to love the 1st intro theme =]

    I have both Budokai 2 and 3's full (4-5 minute) intro songs from the soundtrack cd. I can post a link if you want...
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  • Rhio2kRhio2k Senior Member Joined: Posts: 11,510 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    So, to all of you who complain that companies don't listen to the fans, see what happens when they do?

    We mean AMERICAN fans. I would have thought that was obvious. Shit, if japanese companies listened to the fans their television would be ALL hentai/ecchi anime, and needledick theater (porn).
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  • BBCampbellBBCampbell Busy bein' DELICIOUS Joined: Posts: 514
    We mean AMERICAN fans. I would have thought that was obvious. Shit, if japanese companies listened to the fans their television would be ALL hentai/ecchi anime, and needledick theater (porn).

    Well, think about it: Why would a Japanese company care about what an American consumer thinks unless the product is intended to be international?

    For example, Guile was put in Street Fighter II because Capcom wanted to "appeal to the American player" (partly because SF1 was more popular in the US than in Japan, though before SFII, I'd never heard of Street Fighter...)

    However, mangaka and anime companies produce stories and shows that would appeal to Japanese consumers. Name me one anime made with the intent to be international. (On the flip side, name me one US movie, TV show or comic that's intended to be international...)

    Also, wouldn't most US companies listened to their fans, wouldn't we also get bombarded by porn?
    Wouldn't we get an episode of Family Guy where Brian actually gets to nail Lois?
    Wouldn't there be an episode of Friends where Monica, Rachel and Phoebe just wrestle around in baby oil (and don't speak)?
    Wouldn't have Samuel L. Jackson completely pwned the Star Wars prequel trilogy, causing A New Hope, Empire Strikes Back & Return of the Jedi to instantly become non-canon?
    Wouldn't Freakazoid get more than 2 seasons?
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    Aight, now that I know there's a big enough Dragonball fanbase here:

    www.daizex.com

    Damn...they talk mad shit about the new DVD release. Anyone here have the new remastered set? Are you satisfied with it?
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  • AzraelAzrael Epic Calling! Joined: Posts: 3,258
    I still say that was a bitch move for a a 40+ year old dude to make. Don't know how the translation can help, child-like maybe, but still just as selfish as any other dude leaving his family to go fuck around.
    Yeah, it is a bastard move for a 40 year old guy to do...but for Goku, it's believeable since he does have that child-like personality.

    Goku was always like that. He agreed to marry Chi Chi thinking marriage was just an event where he could eat a lot, and when he found out what marriage actually was he was like "Ah, fuck it - I can't go back on my promise!" Then Kami tries to make him into the new God of the Earth, and Goku was like "Hell no, I don't want that responsibility!"

    Despite becoming so damned powerful, at heart Goku never really grew up at all. You watch Dragonball, and it's Goku as a kid. You watch DBZ, and it's the exact same Goku, just with a bigger body. That's one of the things that the dubbing kinda failed to capture.

    Torem_Kamina:

    Definitely need to work that EX Tatsu wake-up into my gameplan. Sacrificing damage and stun meter for psychological damage. That's some next level shit right there.

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    Fixed.


    (Off Topic) The Piccolo vs Android 17 fight is so underrated it's not funny.

    Too true. I really liked the way they were equals with Piccolo getting the upper hand then #17 etc. Hated the way that Cell walked on and dealt with them both but #17 showing respect to Piccolo topped it off.
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    This is just a pretext for greatness.

    Hmmm...for all this time, every since I learned about the Brian Drummond voice actor, I always thought people were talking about the older-sounding, Funimation version that I remember.

    Weird.

    Anyway, it's nice to see this thread around, even if I can't take Dragonball Z seriously anymore.

    Dragonball, however, is the truth. I remember trying to stay home as a kid sometimes and watch in on what used to be UPN.

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  • white shadowwhite shadow WHAT'S MY NAME NYUKAH?!!! Joined: Posts: 13,625 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Too true. I really liked the way they were equals with Piccolo getting the upper hand then #17 etc. Hated the way that Cell walked on and dealt with them both but #17 showing respect to Piccolo topped it off.

    Especially when they were punching each other so hard that their fists were bulging out of their back. And the double Alpha Counters where they both were spinning.

    Just an awesome fight overall.
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  • Rhio2kRhio2k Senior Member Joined: Posts: 11,510 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Especially when they were punching each other so hard that their fists were bulging out of their back.

    Those were referred to in the pre-dub days ('93) as "prostate-puking punches".
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  • ViciousSLASHViciousSLASH Game Time Jones Joined: Posts: 7,509
    It was sweet when Piccolo surrounded 17 with energy balls, and 17 was like "Wtf are you doin...oh shit!" and had to make the energy shield to protect himself.

    That was one of the best fights on DBZ.
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    Aight, now that I know there's a big enough Dragonball fanbase here:

    www.daizex.com
    Holy jesus. I didn't even realize this site was still around. VegettoEX has to be about 30 by now.

    I remember back with the site was just called "VegettoEX's Home Page" or something like that. It used to be mainly just a big archive of RealAudio music from the show, and some other stuff. Seems like when he first moved to SREanime, everything started changing.

    Man, you blew my mind. I thought all those old sites were long gone.
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    I wonder how long it took to make that?
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  • ParryAllParryAll Dangerous Posts Joined: Posts: 3,311
    Its funny cause i came across some Japanese, uncensored DBZ fights on you tube the other day. You know, ones that feature the good original dbz music and sound effects and i was like 'damn, this is fuckin good'. Especially the buu era high budget shit.

    The watered down shit on cartoon network had me hating the series so hard. They dont even play the full sound effects in the English dub! Some of the most badass noises too 'THWAT THWAT THWAT PHSHING!!!!!!!!'

    Japanese subbed, DBZ is one of the best animes ever, don't care what anyone says. Fuck the haters.
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    Name me one anime made with the intent to be international.


    Pokemon
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    Pokemon

    Nope, there are still some very oblique references to Japanese culture. Like Brock eating those rice ball thingies in one ep (the dub called them "donuts").
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  • SoupyShoeSoupyShoe Check your training wheels at the door Joined: Posts: 1,490
    Nope, there are still some very oblique references to Japanese culture. Like Brock eating those rice ball thingies in one ep (the dub called them "donuts").
    I guess thats why its called anime.
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  • TrunksSS3TrunksSS3 S3ntinel DestroysALL Joined: Posts: 312
    I have both Budokai 2 and 3's full (4-5 minute) intro songs from the soundtrack cd. I can post a link if you want...

    yeah sure thanks =]
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  • Rhio2kRhio2k Senior Member Joined: Posts: 11,510 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    The watered down shit on cartoon network had me hating the series so hard. They dont even play the full sound effects in the English dub! Some of the most badass noises too 'THWAT THWAT THWAT PHSHING!!!!!!!!'

    Japanese subbed, DBZ is one of the best animes ever, don't care what anyone says. Fuck the haters.

    I'v said it before, I'll say it again: the dubbed dbz fights sound like 2 guys fucking. Not just cartoon network. It was universal for the english dub.
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    For the most part I think it's just whatever you saw first. I see YouTube comments from people who've only watched the Cartoon Network version, and they think the Ocean dub sucks, whereas some people think the exact opposite.