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  • Doctrine DarkDoctrine Dark Yum Yum Joined: Posts: 7,164
    edited August 2016
    "So does this mean Beerus is connected to Goku? Technically Goku is a God and remember the elder Kaio gave his life to revive Goku during the Buu saga. They must be sharing the same lifeline with that new info, imo. No wonder Whis and Beerus want to stay in Gokus ass all the time."

    Niggas already making up weird theories.
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    Beerus being tied to the Kaioshin is just a literal interpretation on his quote from BoG:

    Before Creation, cometh Destruction.

    Can't be a god of destruction if there aren't any more gods of creation left.
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  • FlameAngelZFlameAngelZ I'm gonna fuck you up! Joined: Posts: 971
    edited August 2016
    Some interesting info:
    According to the manga, Beers' life is connected to the Kaioshin of his universe. If they all die, Beers also dies. In Future Trunks' timeline, Whis assumes Beers died when Trunks says Dabra killed Kaioshin. Whis said he considered waking Beers up when Majin Boo was killing all of the Kaioshin's, but he said as long as the Old Kaioshin is safely sealed away in the sword, Beers should be fine.

    So this means either someone released the Old Kaioshin from the Z-Sword and he went on to be killed, or Majin Boo probably destroyed the Kaioshin word while he was in it. All we know is Kaioshin helped Trunks fight Dabra in the future and got killed in the battle. This apparently marked the end of Future Beers.

    At least 10 yrs have passed for Trunks since leaving the past. Goku said Trunks's power had surpassed Gohan's power from back then, which I'm assuming is the Cell Games.

    Oh, and Vegeta asks Bulma for permission to go to the future and she was okay with it.

    I like the idea of the Kaioshin's being connected to the Gods of Destruction in that way. Even though Beers is really powerful, it gives him a rather glaring weakness.


    ^^ So Whis knew all this was going on and didn't step in?!

    I don't know who is dumber. Whis....or whatever moron cooked up such a retcon.

    Whis was already eyeing Goku as becoming the next God of Destruction. Whis doesn't give a fuck if Beerus dies. Wouldn't be surprised if he secretly wished it. I'm still expecting Whis to become one of the next big bads. Like he's all nice and shit, then face swap to super evil within a second, and nobody sees it coming.
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  • Hatred EdgeHatred Edge Let's end this Joined: Posts: 16,353
    Whis was already eyeing Goku as becoming the next God of Destruction.
    Makes no damn sense. Not even Vegeta could fill that role let alone Goku.
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  • AlphaCharlieAlphaCharlie Joined: Posts: 1,061
    edited August 2016
    Whis was already eyeing Goku as becoming the next God of Destruction. Whis doesn't give a fuck if Beerus dies. Wouldn't be surprised if he secretly wished it. I'm still expecting Whis to become one of the next big bads. Like he's all nice and shit, then face swap to super evil within a second, and nobody sees it coming.


    If Whis becomes a bad guy then everyone auto-dies. No questions asked.

    It was stated a while back that if SSJGSSJ Goku was a 6? Beerus would be a 10, and Whis would be a 15. The only one who is stronger is this Omni-King.
  • Doctrine DarkDoctrine Dark Yum Yum Joined: Posts: 7,164
    That power chart was for the movie, so it's outdated now. Beers is superior to Super Saiyan Blue Goku w/Kaio-Ken x10. There's a ridiculous difference between them now.
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  • FlameAngelZFlameAngelZ I'm gonna fuck you up! Joined: Posts: 971
    Not sure, if that's a typo, but SSB Goku KKx10 is getting close to Beerus. Remember how Beerus freaked out when he saw it? Sweat dripping off his forehead. Yeah, he acted cool after, but it did startle him at least.

    I'm sure if shit got real, SSB Gogeta or SSB Vegito would rek Beerus. I wanna say, they could even maybe get close to challenging Whis, but I dunno.
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  • Doctrine DarkDoctrine Dark Yum Yum Joined: Posts: 7,164
    edited August 2016
    There's still a big enough difference where Goku (stupidly) believes he'd need to surpass Monaka if he wants to ever consider tangling with Beers. When you factor in Goku opting to not use Kaio-Ken anytime soon, Beers is back to being over 10x stronger than Goku.

    At this point, the Gods of Destruction are still in a whole different tier compared to the Saiyans. If they merged, I'm sure they'd stomp Beers, but I'm mainly just talking individually.
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  • FlameAngelZFlameAngelZ I'm gonna fuck you up! Joined: Posts: 971
    Yeah individually, they aint doing shit. BUT! SSB Goku KKx10, did startle Beerus, at least.

    Problem is KKx10 doesnt last long and he could possibly die form it, so... meh.
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  • po pimpuspo pimpus Let's Hit the Climax! Joined: Posts: 25,700
    Whis is far too broken for anyone to even think about challenging at the moment.

    Nigga can rewind time, and undo all the damage you did, then counter what you were gonna do before you thought of it.

    Broke as fuck.
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  • Doctrine DarkDoctrine Dark Yum Yum Joined: Posts: 7,164
    Whis is the type of nigga that would have to be wiped out instantly. If you can't do it in one go, then it's a wrap.

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  • FlameAngelZFlameAngelZ I'm gonna fuck you up! Joined: Posts: 971
    Not necessarily... If there's someone WAY stronger then Whis, time rewind wont help him at all. He will still end up in the same situation.
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    Not necessarily... If there's someone WAY stronger then Whis, time rewind wont help him at all. He will still end up in the same situation.

    Again, listen to what you're saying. Someone would have to be Pre-Crisis Supes level to even think about fucking with Whis.

    This dude put down the dude who beat SSJ3 Goku in two blows with a single chop to the neck... Whis is not to be fucked with. That is a level that no one in this series should even begin to be approaching anytime soon.
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  • Doctrine DarkDoctrine Dark Yum Yum Joined: Posts: 7,164
    The only ones we know who can fight Whis is Vados and presumably Zeno's Guards. Outside of those people, no one comes close.

    And the idea of Goku ever reaching that level is ridiculous. I like the idea of Goku eventually reaching/surpassing Beers, but I feel like guys like Whis/Vados/Zeno should remain in the "untouchable" tier.
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    po pimpus wrote: »
    Not necessarily... If there's someone WAY stronger then Whis, time rewind wont help him at all. He will still end up in the same situation.

    Again, listen to what you're saying. Someone would have to be Pre-Crisis Supes level to even think about fucking with Whis.

    This dude put down the dude who beat SSJ3 Goku in two blows with a single chop to the neck... Whis is not to be fucked with. That is a level that no one in this series should even begin to be approaching anytime soon.

    Whis is secretely Silver Age Superman. Nigga needs a job after Flashpoint.
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    Whis should be killed to add some tension to the series. I would be scared as fuck is someone could kill whis.
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  • Doctrine DarkDoctrine Dark Yum Yum Joined: Posts: 7,164
    That would be the best outcome. I feel as though there's no tension knowing Beers and Whis are there to make things right if someone gets outta line. Without them there, anything could happen.
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    po pimpus wrote: »
    Whis is far too broken for anyone to even think about challenging at the moment.

    Nigga can rewind time, and undo all the damage you did, then counter what you were gonna do before you thought of it.

    Broke as fuck.

    whis is free, just give that nigga an issue of playgirl or muscle power magazine while you charge your attack
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  • Doctrine DarkDoctrine Dark Yum Yum Joined: Posts: 7,164
    I wonder if we'll ever see Whis fight seriously.
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  • Doctrine DarkDoctrine Dark Yum Yum Joined: Posts: 7,164
    edited August 2016
    Lol, Darc. You da best!

    Here's the chapter summary of Chapter 15:
    We get our token reminder from every arc this chapter that our Saiyan protagonists aren't as strong as Beerus. He tells Goku & Vegeta they're still a ways off from becoming Hakaishin, which is great because there isn't much to do besides destroying a few things every now and then, leaving plenty of times for naps. Goku says he doesn't want a bad job destroying things. Beerus is offended that Goku thinks his job is "bad". Whis chimes in that Beerus hasn't been doing his job these days anyway...

    Toyotaro writes around the blue or purple hair catastrophe. When kid Trunks checks the time machine, Bluma asks if there is someone in there with his hairstyle. No mention of color.

    In the anime version of events Karin & Yajirobe were passing time doing limbo, but in the manga they're playing Twister. Goku asks if the game is fun, just like in the anime. Karin says not with two guys...

    In the manga, when Trunks reveals the new threat is Son Goku (Black), he mentions that Black said he'd wipe out all Earthlings for the sake of justice. And that he has PROBABLY destroyed several worlds and their inhabitants, technically meaning Earth could've been the only target. (Doubtful, but still.)

    Trunks mentions Future Bluma decided to call him Goku Black to avoid confusion with the real Goku. The present Bluma complains about her future self's taste in naming. Beerus doesn't "get" English...

    The time machine's fuel is Blue Electric Liquid #15. Here, unlike the anime, Dr. Brief apparently never helped Bluma with the time machine Cell used. He comments "So this is a time machine." I wonder if Trunks even gave Bluma Cell's time machine, or if they won't even bother with the destruction plot point? We'll find out later, I guess.

    Goku and Trunks transform to SS2 for their spar. Whis thinks Trunks has the edge on Goku as the fight unfolds. Goku is impressed Trunks is better than Gohan from "that time" (presumably Cell Games). Trunks says he trained hard for the last 10+ years, but is excited when Goku vows to show him what comes next. Trunks has no idea about SS3, but says he wasn't happy with SS2 either. He powers up to be on par with SS3 Goku...while in SS2. So I guess all of Trunks' forms are ~4x stronger than everyone else?

    You can't see it, but when Goku kicks Trunks in the back of the neck and knocks him out...notice the sparkles. Goku went Super Saiyan God. Beerus and Whis call him out on being immature for that.

    Trunks is STRONG, but isn't a match for Black. Goku expected to beat him easily, but thinks this might actually be dangerous now. Goku asks if Beerus & Whis want to come with them to the future, to help out if they end up in a pinch. Beerus wants nothing to do with it. He doesn't care about another Earth, and using the time machine is a crime anyway. However, he does wonder why the Hakaishin left Black alone though. Whis doesn't think Beerus and Black are that different in terms of destruction. This pisses Beerus off. Beerus feels Black is destroying whatever he wants without considering the balance of the universe. Whis chuckles

    Trunks still has no idea what a Hakaishin is, despite asking who Beerus and Whis were earlier. Beerus wonders if Trunks' Hakaishin is still asleep. Whis assumes differently and asks what happened to Kaioshin after defeating Dabra. Trunks reveals the god perished in the fight. Beerus panics. Why did that weakling Kaioshin get involved?! Goku wonders what's wrong. Does Beerus have an unexpected soft spot for the Kaioshin? Whis chuckles again. "If the Kaioshin die, so does the Hakaishin. It's that kind of relationship. The Hakaishin of Trunks' world likely no longer exists."

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    I like how Goku became a Super Saiyan God to knock Super Saiyan 2 Trunks out. Just goes to show Trunks is ridiculously powerful in this version.

    Edit: Should be good now.
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    I like how Goku became a Super Saiyan God to knock Super Saiyan 2 Trunks out. Just goes to show Trunks is ridiculously powerful in this version.

    Trunks' power makes no fucking sense in this, but whatever.
    I intended to put Gohan into the leading role. It didn’t work out. I felt that compared to Goku, he was ultimately not suited for the part.
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    Man trunks really does suck doesn't he lol.


    WTF. This is Trunks we're talking about....not Gohan. At least Trunks is always willing to meet the challenge and do what must be done.

    As long as he is stronger. He gives up instantly the second he can't accomplish it, like he did against Cell.
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  • jebopjebop Joined: Posts: 6,890
    edited August 2016
    He can't hit him, what do you expect? 3 episodes of whiffed punches? Cell even did his own USSJ equivalent to prove a point.

    Vegeta went down in like 3 blows.
    16 got his head smashed in.
    Krillin took 1 kick if that isn't filler.
    Piccolo got stomped by a powered up Imperfect version.
    Tien beat himself.
    Goku just recovered from aids.
    Nobody even considered Gohan.

    Your beloved Goku was giving up on Frieza. Naked dead Vegeta and Piccolo constantly interfering is what kept him alive pre SSJ.
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    jebop wrote: »
    Your beloved Goku was giving up on Frieza. Naked dead Vegeta and Piccolo constantly interfering is what kept him alive pre SSJ.

    You know that shit with Vegeta is all filler right? And "constant interferences" was one kick from Picollo + one blast from Gohan and Kuririn to give Goku the last few seconds he needed to finish of the Genki Dama.

    After Kaioken x20, he was constantly getting up trying to do the Genki Dama, letting himself get beat up so Freeza wouldn't focus on it just to try to have one last shot at finish off Freeza.

    I intended to put Gohan into the leading role. It didn’t work out. I felt that compared to Goku, he was ultimately not suited for the part.
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    jebop wrote: »
    Tien beat himself.

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    jebop wrote: »
    Tien beat himself.

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    How exactly?
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    Just remembered that Future Trunks hasn't met Goter yet, not to mention that he hasn't seen Gotenks Yet, so much potetntial wasted there.
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    Goten has gotten less shine than Gohan in Super. Just let that sink in for a moment.
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    Man trunks really does suck doesn't he lol.

    He's strong as fuck but his technique sucks. He's just a middleweight brawler. It's like Gohan taught him when to use punches and kicks, but not HOW to actually perform punches and kicks. Or how to dodge.
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    Man trunks really does suck doesn't he lol.


    WTF. This is Trunks we're talking about....not Gohan. At least Trunks is always willing to meet the challenge and do what must be done.

    As long as he is stronger. He gives up instantly the second he can't accomplish it, like he did against Cell.

    Trunks spent years in the future throwing himself against the Androids before he returned to the past. He was throwing himself against Black for year just so he could get back to the past.
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    Rhio2k wrote: »
    Man trunks really does suck doesn't he lol.

    He's strong as fuck but his technique sucks. He's just a middleweight brawler. It's like Gohan taught him when to use punches and kicks, but not HOW to actually perform punches and kicks. Or how to dodge.

    Well no one ever saw Gohan as a good fighter. Just a dude with silly power bursts.
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    This is some dumb shit :rofl: