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  • SoVi3tSoVi3t Behind The Iron Curtain Joined: Posts: 29,170
    If either of them say "I don't wanna go" I will become a broken man.
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    If either of them say "I don't wanna go" I will become a broken man.

    And he should reply, "you aint gotta go home but you gotta get the fuck outta here" :coffee:
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    And he should reply, "you aint gotta go home but you gotta get the fuck outta here" :coffee:

    I don't suspect they'll be leaving voluntarily. Especially after the last episode where Mr Weasley pretty much cheerfully asked them to go with the Doctor to save as many world's as possible.
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    Goodbye Ponds....
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    lol im still puzzled how the new companion is going to join the doctor... maybe get her before she becomes a dalek?
  • Spooty WhiteboySpooty Whiteboy I must break you! Joined: Posts: 2,774
    It won't be the same person. Probably a "relative" like how it worked with Martha (who was in an episode as another character before she became a companion).
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    Yeah probably and ancestor or something...
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    weak episode... :coffee:
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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/maureen-ryan/doctor-who-amy-pond_b_1924022.html

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  • nin-jaynin-jay the end Joined: Posts: 916
    It was a good way to say goodbye, but not the best way. Moffat must be saving all of his good stuff for the 50th.
  • True GraveTrue Grave Keepaway Specialist Joined: Posts: 3,554
    Just seen the angels take manhatten and such a messed up way to part with two endearing, long term characters! WTF?

    And why couldn't the Doctor just go back in time and bring them to the present again. He's done it before, such as when he and Martha got sent back by an angel, but he was able to figure out a way to have his Tardis sent back to him.

    They didn't just rot in the 1960's or wherever it was.
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    Rory's death was a fixed point so bringing him back would've fucked up the future I guess. I really don't understand it properly though.
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    Rory's death was a fixed point so bringing him back would've fucked up the future I guess. I really don't understand it properly though.

    Yeah, I figured that as well, although as a send off, I still can't help but think it wasn't necessary. It made for good dramatic scenes but overall, it was like this seems like he was building toward a different type of ending of them traveling together and instead they went for something else more flashy.

    I do agree with article Zebster posted this won't go down as one of the best episodes because the plot feels forced. I don't necessarily blame the franchise as getting too big but I do wonder if Moffat has burnt himself out.
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    It was a little heartbreaking, but not so bad. Great way to make the Weeping Angels even more badass.
    Why exactly couldn't the Doctor go back in time to see or save Amy and Rory though? He did it when Martha and him were transported back in time.
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  • True GraveTrue Grave Keepaway Specialist Joined: Posts: 3,554
    It was a little heartbreaking, but not so bad. Great way to make the Weeping Angels even more badass.
    Why exactly couldn't the Doctor go back in time to see or save Amy and Rory though? He did it when Martha and him were transported back in time.


    My thoughts exactly! WTF?

    They(or at least Martha) weren't doomed to live out their lives and die in the early 1900s. The Doctor found a way to get someone else to send the TARDIS back to him and they got the hell out of there. They didn't have to stay in the past and rot, 'lest a world destroying paradox occur.

    Also is there any legit reasoning behind this fixed point crap? Really starting to feel like a convenient plot tool whenever they whip it out.

    And what the hell makes Rory's situation any different from the rest? Its clearly not impossible for the Doctor to go back and save somebody else in the past, changing the course of the damned future. But rory? Oh noooo....fixed point. Yeesh.

    If thats the case, then anything and everything that happens should be a fixed point too. The doctor shouldn't be able to go back and change a damn thing, yet he still alters stuff all the time.
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    It became a fixed point because they read his headstone. Earlier in the episode, the Doctor said that once you read the past, it has to happen.

    Of course, he could have changed it (like in The Water of Mars), but only a batshit crazy Doctor would do something like mess with a fixed point.
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    weak episode... :coffee:

    Same here. Seasons 5 & 6 were gold, but 7 thus far is turning out to be "ok" at best.
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    Absolutely. Such a damn shame that two long term and endearing characters that have framed Matt Smith's great run up till now, had to exit in such a halfass fashion! WTF?

    It didn't do them justice at all.

    Edit: And why the hell couldn't they just leave normally? As in simply stop traveling with the doctor, have a lil' farewell party, and leave it at that? Why did those characters have to get totally f*cked over like this?

    Good gawd. If you travel with the Doctor and decide to leave one day.....you ain't exiting this unit like you think you're going to. The writers will arrange for you to get messed over first.


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    Who's gonna tell Rory's dad?
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    lol not the doctor...
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    i expected this to be a lil more on the emotional side. no more redhead :(
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    Why couldn't the doctor go back to at least a year after or use the manipulator? I understand that the Angels would chase them forever, but I would hope it would make the Doctor pissed enough to accidentally destroy their entire race!
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    i thought paradoxes cause that crazy beast winged thing. like when rose saved her dad from being merked.
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    Why couldn't the doctor go back to at least a year after or use the manipulator? I understand that the Angels would chase them forever, but I would hope it would make the Doctor pissed enough to accidentally destroy their entire race!

    That is what I was expecting as well, I mean they just screwed over two of his closest friends who had actual lives and family in a different time and country. I was expecting him to at least do something to the angel that snuck up on them. I get they are moving away from vengeful Doctor and he is "trying to stay under the radar" but come the Doctor has been looking bitch made this season. Asylum of the Daleks he was decent but got outshined by Oswin, every other episode, he is coming off as dumber or I should say less clever then he previously has been shown to be in handling bigger threats.
    i thought paradoxes cause that crazy beast winged thing. like when rose saved her dad from being merked.

    Didn't happen during Water of Mars, nor when River did what she did during the Wedding of River Song that created a weird parallel world where time was happening all at once.

    Also, Waters of Mars, it may have been a visual effect to show his memory but they used a newspaper when describing the incident that Doctor changed. This whole reading changes history is something that they just added, probably to make Rory and Amy's departure stick.


    Edit:
    But now that I think about it, they did the same thing in Matt Smith's first season with the cracks in space, so who knows they might find their way back before the season is done.
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    Why couldn't the doctor go back to at least a year after or use the manipulator? I understand that the Angels would chase them forever, but I would hope it would make the Doctor pissed enough to accidentally destroy their entire race!
    Unfortunately that would of happened with Tennants Dr.Who.... not the current one... Matts Doctor doesnt have the balls of the last one.
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    That is what I was expecting as well, I mean they just screwed over two of his closest friends who had actual lives and family in a different time and country. I was expecting him to at least do something to the angel that snuck up on them. I get they are moving away from vengeful Doctor and he is "trying to stay under the radar" but come the Doctor has been looking bitch made this season. Asylum of the Daleks he was decent but got outshined by Oswin, every other episode, he is coming off as dumber or I should say less clever then he previously has been shown to be in handling bigger threats.

    Agreed. The writing has gotten pretty bad this season imo. The Doctor is coming off as less clever because he's getting stumped by weak threats. But I don't think it's an intentional character change. I think Moffat just handed the writing off to someone less talented so he could focus on the season's latter half. At least I hope so, and the drop in quality isn't because Moffat has run out of ideas.
    i thought paradoxes cause that crazy beast winged thing. like when rose saved her dad from being merked.

    This "law" went out the window a long time ago. This is ultimately a children's show, and the writers are going to take liberties with plot devices. People will cite "timey wimey" as a defense, but it's basically lazy writing.
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    I liked the episode. It doesn't have to be as sad as the Rose/10 or Donna/10 endings to be good.
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    Same here. Seasons 5 & 6 were gold, but 7 thus far is turning out to be "ok" at best.
    honestly, i haven't really liked any of these new episodes. everything had this "rushed" feel to them. Brian was the best thing about the season.

    i didn't like how they nerfed the angels either. earlier angels were faster and indestructible. they also had the weakness that they can't look at each other. Statute of Liberty Angel was the shit if you didn't think about how unbelievable that is (too many people in New York to have 0 people looking at the SoL- especially since they did some "T-Rex from Jurassic Park" level foreshadowing [the loud steps]. after the first *thump* people would be looking around to figure out wtf that noise was).

    one cool thing was homey from Office Space showing up. "deeeeeeper and deeeeeeper" homey, not "jump-to-conclusions mat" homey.
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    honestly, i haven't really liked any of these new episodes. everything had this "rushed" feel to them. Brian was the best thing about the season.

    i didn't like how they nerfed the angels either. earlier angels were faster and indestructible. they also had the weakness that they can't look at each other. Statute of Liberty Angel was the shit if you didn't think about how unbelievable that is (too many people in New York to have 0 people looking at the SoL- especially since they did some "T-Rex from Jurassic Park" level foreshadowing [the loud steps]. after the first *thump* people would be looking around to figure out wtf that noise was).

    one cool thing was homey from Office Space showing up. "deeeeeeper and deeeeeeper" homey, not "jump-to-conclusions mat" homey.


    The whole statue of liberty suddenly being an angel for absolutely no reason at all but dumb fan service, is idiotic. So....what....it just went back to normal after? Or it was always an angel and we never noticed? Are the angels now magically capable of turning any statue like object into one of them?

    Whole episode was just stupid.

    Its a damn shame such memorable characters had to exit the show during a time when the writing has been at its clumsiest in a while. If only they could pull a Highlander II, forget this dumbshit episode occurred and give them a better send-off.
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    IIRC "angels" aren't always the statues themselves, they can also "overtake" a statute. since the angels had like a human farm thing going on at the hotel, they were probably pretty "healthy," at least healthy enough to overtake the SoL. in that regard SoL Angel is possible.
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    I couldn't care less how bad the episode is, I'm glad we're switching to new companions.
    For the record, I haven't watched it yet. Only internet service available to me until thursday blocks torrents.
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    I couldn't care less how bad the episode is, I'm glad we're switching to new companions.
    For the record, I haven't watched it yet. Only internet service available to me until thursday blocks torrents.

    A simple Google video search should turn up a dailymotion link or something.

    And new companions? But Rory and Amy were great and had so much involvement.
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    A simple Google video search should turn up a dailymotion link or something.

    And new companions? But Rory and Amy were great and had so much involvement.

    I was hoping to download the episode while at school and watch at home. Can't really watch in class.

    I find they overstayed their welcome and their schtick got overplayed.
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    I was hoping to download the episode while at school and watch at home. Can't really watch in class.

    I find they overstayed their welcome and their schtick got overplayed.
    overstayed? lol. they prob got the second second shortest gig in terms of new gen companions.
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    Amy had 2 and 1/2 seasons. Rose had 2 seasons, Martha had 1, and Donna had 1. So, how did they get the second shortest?
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    Amy had 2 and 1/2 seasons. Rose had 2 seasons, Martha had 1, and Donna had 1. So, how did they get the second shortest?
    how are you calculating rose since she appeared between 05 and 2010
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    I was hoping to download the episode while at school and watch at home. Can't really watch in class.

    I find they overstayed their welcome and their schtick got overplayed.


    Yeah one of my few gripes with them is the relationship woes during season 5 & 6. However, i thought they handled it pretty smoothly and that was that. Then season 7 episode 1 and they're divorced? WTF?

    Dalek voice: "This sh*t is beyond old!"

    Overall, i really liked them and they framed Matt Smith's glorious run so well. I think in the future fans will look back on the sloppy episode and consider it a black eye on the series. Definitely the lowest point of the smith run.
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    i liked Rory and Amy in all seasons except this one. Rory is gdlk sometimes.
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    i liked Rory and Amy in all seasons except this one. Rory is gdlk sometimes.
    sometimes it felt like they didnt know how to gauge fan reactions to rory. they wrote him as a badass sometimes and then others he's pretty much shaggy from scooby doo. then sometimes they do both. i know who fandom like different aspects of him...amy felt like the same character all the way through....not much of an evolution honestly. but rory kinda bounced around.
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    how are you calculating rose since she appeared between 05 and 2010
    A few episodes here-and-there don't count as part of their stay. If that's the way it works, then we can't say if we'll ever happen to run into amy and rory again. Maybe we'll see them in 5 years and they will have a 7 year run!
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