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  • shadowcharlieshadowcharlie ★ஜ۩dip۞set۩ஜ★ Joined: Posts: 9,169 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    from the tourney vids iv seen the tiers arnt as hard lined as some of the other games of the era.
    ray however is very very stupid
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  • 46494649 Certainly, they existed. Joined: Posts: 1,301
    i agree at ray being retarded
    i also think they're being very kind to yungmie but that might just be me
    jean should also be way higher, and there's just no way in hell feilin is better than ryoko and mars
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  • RushedDownRushedDown back in the usa Joined: Posts: 2,046
    I agree on that too..people are smoking some mad crack..Marsotorius IMO has the BEST matchups in the game...

    He beats a lot of people that others have hard with like Lee and others.. Double German FO' LIFE fool! :rofl:

    Marsotorius sucks

    i kill him 4 free
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  • Sanjuro_The_RoninSanjuro_The_Ronin ST 4 life yo! Joined: Posts: 572
    Bump, I need Clown and Mizo combos.
    It's kind of late in history to be coming up with real good ideas, luckily I have plenty of really bad fucking ideas.
  • Lord BBHLord BBH EASY EASY~ Joined: Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    been playing this with a friend lately on NFBA. THIS GAME IS CRACK, more people need to play it (or rather, I need to play more people to better understand some of these matchups). So freakin' fun.
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  • Slash CharlotteSlash Charlotte Chonshu's handmaid Joined: Posts: 90
    Marsotorius sucks

    i kill him 4 free

    Mastorius doesn't suck.
    Daraku Tenshi: Roccio Roche, Taro
    KoF XI: Ryo, Jyazu, and Kasmui
    NGBC: Chonshu, wildcard
    Karnov's Revenge:Masturius and Zazie
  • RushedDownRushedDown back in the usa Joined: Posts: 2,046
    Mastorius doesn't suck.

    i own him 4 free with samchay
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  • Slash CharlotteSlash Charlotte Chonshu's handmaid Joined: Posts: 90
    Samchay can get on mars all quick and shit, but let him get rolled up one good time and then its a rape party. Not saying Samchay can't get away from it but i swear that skinny bastard gonna taste the dirt real hard if Mars gets his momentmum going.
    Daraku Tenshi: Roccio Roche, Taro
    KoF XI: Ryo, Jyazu, and Kasmui
    NGBC: Chonshu, wildcard
    Karnov's Revenge:Masturius and Zazie
  • Master_ChibiMaster_Chibi .: Dynamites! :. Joined: Posts: 15,063 mod
    Is Ryoko ass in this?

    <3
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  • Josh-TheFunkDOCJosh-TheFunkDOC Double Dutch! Joined: Posts: 2,404 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Is Ryoko ass in this?

    <3

    kinda =/

    Also, Feilin is like the ultra worst, and i dunno about Yungmie - you hardly ever see any matches with her. I would say this game isn't exactly bubz-friendly, but then I forgot about Karnov...
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  • CoosCoosCoosCoos Yep. Joined: Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Get at me on aim if anyone wants to play this.

    My main's Jean, but I play with pretty much everyone.
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  • Slash CharlotteSlash Charlotte Chonshu's handmaid Joined: Posts: 90
    Ryoko's not ass, but you can't be braindead and try to play her. Yungmie has some awesome stuff to combo with, but you need to know what you are doing, total skill character. Feilin is so awkward its unrealistic to even play the bitch, you can do it if your dedicated enough though.
    Daraku Tenshi: Roccio Roche, Taro
    KoF XI: Ryo, Jyazu, and Kasmui
    NGBC: Chonshu, wildcard
    Karnov's Revenge:Masturius and Zazie
  • Master_ChibiMaster_Chibi .: Dynamites! :. Joined: Posts: 15,063 mod
    Oh I don't care if she's ass really, I know dumb this game is :rofl:.

    I just <3 Ryoko~
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  • shadowcharlieshadowcharlie ★ஜ۩dip۞set۩ஜ★ Joined: Posts: 9,169 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    feilin is waaay worse
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  • ShishiohShishioh Starbreaker Joined: Posts: 2,921
    Hit me up also on yahoo:Lance_uppercut20@yahoo.com

    I play everyone cept Karnov and Feilin.

    I also have a friend who plays her pretty damn good too.

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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Hit me up on aim l33tzeppygorrila to play me
  • ThrowTheDiceThrowTheDice Yahooey! Joined: Posts: 246
    To all Matlok users:

    Crouch C >>>>>>>>> everything else.
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  • shadowcharlieshadowcharlie ★ஜ۩dip۞set۩ஜ★ Joined: Posts: 9,169 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Hit me up also on yahoo:Lance_uppercut20@yahoo.com

    I play everyone cept Karnov and Feilin.

    I also have a friend who plays her pretty damn good too.

    Shadowcharlie: Hop on that Real Bout 2 with me sometime.
    i dont really play rb2 sorry
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    dwn+c with matlock is good but so is jumping D ala claw in st
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  • redmyst81redmyst81 Joined: Posts: 19
    Late to the game, but I play this beast of a game too. My mains are Jean, Mizo, Ray, and now Zazie.

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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Okay, this seems about right:

    God Tier: Ray, Karnov, Zazie
    Top Tier: Lee, Marstorious,
    Mid Tier: Jean, Samchay, Clown, Mizoguchi,
    Low Tier: Matlok, Yungmie, Ryoko
    lol garbage: Feilin

    I feel like Mizoguchi, Clown and Matlok are all up for debate: Clown is fast but can't deal HUGE damage, Mizoguchi deals big damage but is a tossup unless you get a dizzy, and Matlok seems to have C and the overhead mixups.
  • Lord BBHLord BBH EASY EASY~ Joined: Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    my AIM is the same as my username (Lord BBH), I wanna play more peeps in this. I play pretty much everyone except Feilin!

    anyway seeing how everyone has a different tier list I may as well post mine. It's pretty similar to my colleague zeppy_gorilla's, but I'll try to explain it:

    S: Ray, Karnov, Zazie
    A: Lee, Jean, Marstorius
    B: Samchay, Mizoguchi, Matlok, Clown, Yungmie
    C: Ryoko
    Feilin: Feilin

    I still think Ray is #1 in this game because I don't think he really has any really bad matchups. Wheel Kick is just one of the most obnoxious anti-air moves I've ever seen in a fighting game. Karnov... well, we all know why Karnov is good. Zazie has so many options, his "DP" has almost no recovery and he can dash into it... plus the ABCD rapid punch thing.

    Lee could maybe be in the top along with those 3, just on the basis of how scrubby he is to play and how much damage he gets (along with easy dizzies). I dunno. Jean is up there because he can turtle pretty effectively (a flash kick that moves him backward? why?) and his ABCD punch combo sometimes does even more damage than Zazie's, it's insane if you can do it right. Marstorius is odd, if he gets one grab he can use that momentum so sometimes win the round instantly, but he has a hell of a time getting in on most fireball characters. He's very scary to play against but the low jump is just such a huge weakness.

    Here's where things get weird - I can't really differentiate the next 5 characters (Samchay, Mizoguchi, Matlok, Clown, Yungmie) into individual tiers because they all feel about the same to me. They can all win, but they all have weaknesses. Samchay is definitely the best of the bunch, but I don't think he should be in the next tier. Yungmie is definitely third-worst, winning with her isn't hopeless but she doesn't have enough good ground combos, one more bufferable move from the ground would've been nice.

    Ryoko gets her own tier because I don't feel she's anywhere near as good as those 5, but she doesn't deserve to be grouped in with Feilin. She gets raped by the top tier, but against everyone else I don't think it's a total blowout for her (although she may still have some pretty bad matchups). The big difference between her and Feilin is that if Ryoko gets an opening, she can actually do about 40% damage instantly.

    Feilin is in Feilin Tier because she is garbage.
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  • ThrowTheDiceThrowTheDice Yahooey! Joined: Posts: 246
    Does matlok have any GOOD matchups? It seems like everything for him is uphill but winnable. His fb is good but nowhere near the best, and his overhead kick is nice, but his flash kick is garbage; its priority is ass, and it doesn't work well in combos. I think his greatest strength would be his good normals (jump D, crouch C, crouch D, stand C to a certain extent.).
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    I still got nothin' on doing Thunder Dynamite, anyone got any advice on that?
  • shadowcharlieshadowcharlie ★ஜ۩dip۞set۩ஜ★ Joined: Posts: 9,169 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    ^ i know i get it most when i do it off a blocked sweep
    its really weird to hit it normally for me.

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    i would like to hear feedback on why there is fuzzy guard in this game i hope its only the emu version that me and the people i play with have but cmon too many times can u get away with blocking high jumpin then stand blocking a low right after =/
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  • ChibiPotPieChibiPotPie Epic Joined: Posts: 347
    Ray

    - Fastest FB in game.
    - Wheel kick is fast and can go through/over fbs at startup. Virtually impossible to trade or beat in air.
    - Dynomite is safe and hard to counter. (only a fb or well-timed sweep will beat it)

    Fei-Lin

    - Low Atk Power
    - FB has startup and recovery time (chunli a3 fb).
    - FB can't be comboed.
    - Anti-air has mid priority
    - Slow attacks

    - Jean

    - Natural turtle game
    - Flash kick goes backwards (making it virtually safe and difficult to counter)
    - Jumps relatively high than most chars.
    - FB has no startup and quick recovery.
    - CR. Strong Kick acts as an anti-air (chunli a3 cr.rh)
    - CR. Strong Punch acts as an anti-air.

    Yungmie

    - Poor Ground Game
    - Needs to triangle jump to beat fb spammers (not a weakness, but if a player isn't aware of it they can be pinned down into anti-airs from ray and jean)
    - Awkard motion anti-air. (has low priority)

    Callin em as I see em.
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  • redmyst81redmyst81 Joined: Posts: 19
    Ray + whiffed wheel kick + Double German = dead Ray
  • RushedDownRushedDown back in the usa Joined: Posts: 2,046
    the only character i had any real troble with was karnov and hid ballon shit and teleport glitches
    i think samchay should be higher
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    the only character i had any real troble with was karnov and hid ballon shit and teleport glitches
    i think samchay should be higher
    That would put Samchay higher than marstorious, which he is not. Marstorious simply has the highest damage over time output
  • RushedDownRushedDown back in the usa Joined: Posts: 2,046
    my samchay owns marstorious players
    mr dbl german aint got shit on me
    and i have only played this game a few times
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  • shadowcharlieshadowcharlie ★ஜ۩dip۞set۩ஜ★ Joined: Posts: 9,169 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Ray
    - Dynomite is safe and hard to counter. (only a fb or well-timed sweep will beat it)
    Callin em as I see em.
    actually u can down jab ray everytime he trys to do die no mite =/ just like u can down jab karnovs flying kick and samchays knee alog with other moves that move horrizontally.
    Ray + whiffed wheel kick + Double German = dead Ray
    if ray wiffed a wheel kick then hes probly doing a ddt to u
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  • Lord BBHLord BBH EASY EASY~ Joined: Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    my samchay owns marstorious players
    mr dbl german aint got shit on me
    and i have only played this game a few times

    Yes, Samchay can give Marstorius a hard time, obviously... but it's not completely impossible for Marstorius to get in, and then it's trouble for Samchay if Mars gets in. This match can go either way, I think.
    Ray + whiffed wheel kick + Double German = dead Ray

    Why would Ray be whiffing wheel kicks? Not much point in doing wheel kick every time from a distance, if Marstorius is just landing from a jump and it looks like wheel kick would miss, Ray just has to do sweep into fireball as Marstorius lands to go back into pushing him away.

    But ok, even if Ray whiffs a wheel kick and Marstorius does a Double German, this isn't the end of the round for Ray. Ray actually has one of the best chances at getting out of crossup shenanigans after a Double German. Why? Wakeup wheel kick...
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    and i have only played this game a few times
    If you're not being sarcastic, then you are disreagrded from here on out. Even if you are, Samchay does not have "option select" upon a move (such as Marst. with his Double German).
    If Marstorious could jump fireballs better I'd say he'd be encroaching top 3 territory.
  • redmyst81redmyst81 Joined: Posts: 19
    Yes, Samchay can give Marstorius a hard time, obviously... but it's not completely impossible for Marstorius to get in, and then it's trouble for Samchay if Mars gets in. This match can go either way, I think.



    Why would Ray be whiffing wheel kicks? Not much point in doing wheel kick every time from a distance, if Marstorius is just landing from a jump and it looks like wheel kick would miss, Ray just has to do sweep into fireball as Marstorius lands to go back into pushing him away.

    But ok, even if Ray whiffs a wheel kick and Marstorius does a Double German, this isn't the end of the round for Ray. Ray actually has one of the best chances at getting out of crossup shenanigans after a Double German. Why? Wakeup wheel kick...

    While true, it is just the fact that it would make people think twice. I know I learn my lesson. Wheel kick from afar hurts when you whiff. Also when I say dead Ray, he looks in a great deal of pain when it lands... then again everyone looks like that when dunked on there head.
  • RushedDownRushedDown back in the usa Joined: Posts: 2,046
    If you're not being sarcastic, then you are disreagrded from here on out. Even if you are, Samchay does not have "option select" upon a move (such as Marst. with his Double German).
    If Marstorious could jump fireballs better I'd say he'd be encroaching top 3 territory.

    samchay can do his knee and then jump up back and kick before mars can grab him
    and i wasnt being sarcastic at all
    i have only played the game a handful of times
    i guess we will have to wait for the nec vids to come out to prove that samchay beats mars more than mars beats sam
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  • NocturnalNocturnal SNK Supporter Joined: Posts: 2,977 mod
    I think I'm one of the only Clown players that uses him though I still mess around with Ray and Lee as well. Would love to get some games sometime with some of ya.
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  • Lord BBHLord BBH EASY EASY~ Joined: Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    While true, it is just the fact that it would make people think twice. I know I learn my lesson. Wheel kick from afar hurts when you whiff. Also when I say dead Ray, he looks in a great deal of pain when it lands... then again everyone looks like that when dunked on there head.

    Good points :)
    samchay can do his knee and then jump up back and kick before mars can grab him
    and i wasnt being sarcastic at all
    i have only played the game a handful of times
    i guess we will have to wait for the nec vids to come out to prove that samchay beats mars more than mars beats sam

    Ummm. The only time the "tiger knee" is safe is if you do it from the absolute maximum distance (in which only 1 hit is blocked). If you do it too close, you WILL get Double German'ed. If the Marstorius'es you're playing against aren't punishing blocked knees with Double Germans, then either their timing is off or they're not very good. Alternatively, Mars can just throw out jabs to stop the knee cold, just like shadowcharlie said (doesn't have to be crouching jab, standing jab works too and actually has more range).

    Abusing the tiger knee is not at all recommended in this match, it only should be used in instances where you know it's going to hit (like hit confirming it after crouching weak kicks). No, the key to winning that matchup is to abuse his fireball, of course. Marstorius does of course have ways around it, but many times those ways can end up with him coming up short and getting pushed back again by Samchay.

    Not gonna act like an authority on this matchup because I don't have THAT much experience with this game, but I have played it more than a "handful of times" and at this point I think this match is honestly even. Would probably give the edge to Samchay since he can chuck fireballs like there's no tomorrow. But he most definitely does not win for free.
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  • RushedDownRushedDown back in the usa Joined: Posts: 2,046
    Good points :)



    Ummm. The only time the "tiger knee" is safe is if you do it from the absolute maximum distance (in which only 1 hit is blocked). If you do it too close, you WILL get Double German'ed. If the Marstorius'es you're playing against aren't punishing blocked knees with Double Germans, then either their timing is off or they're not very good. Alternatively, Mars can just throw out jabs to stop the knee cold, just like shadowcharlie said (doesn't have to be crouching jab, standing jab works too and actually has more range).

    Abusing the tiger knee is not at all recommended in this match, it only should be used in instances where you know it's going to hit (like hit confirming it after crouching weak kicks). No, the key to winning that matchup is to abuse his fireball, of course. Marstorius does of course have ways around it, but many times those ways can end up with him coming up short and getting pushed back again by Samchay.

    Not gonna act like an authority on this matchup because I don't have THAT much experience with this game, but I have played it more than a "handful of times" and at this point I think this match is honestly even. Would probably give the edge to Samchay since he can chuck fireballs like there's no tomorrow. But he most definitely does not win for free.
    i got dbl germaned everytime i did the knee to close
    the players i was playing knew how to play mars pretty well
    i just find its easy to beat mars with samchay
    and i did throw lots of fireballs
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  • shadowcharlieshadowcharlie ★ஜ۩dip۞set۩ஜ★ Joined: Posts: 9,169 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    I think I'm one of the only Clown players that uses him though I still mess around with Ray and Lee as well. Would love to get some games sometime with some of ya.
    noc id love to play on say the p2p client ala kawaks ? clown is dope as fuck but its like u missjudge one thing and the round ends
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  • NocturnalNocturnal SNK Supporter Joined: Posts: 2,977 mod
    noc id love to play on say the p2p client ala kawaks ? clown is dope as fuck but its like u missjudge one thing and the round ends

    I'd rather do it on mame since I dont use kawaks at all anymore.
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  • Lord BBHLord BBH EASY EASY~ Joined: Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    ^^^ NFBA is the new hotness as far as P2P emulators go.

    i got dbl germaned everytime i did the knee to close
    the players i was playing knew how to play mars pretty well
    i just find its easy to beat mars with samchay
    and i did throw lots of fireballs

    Ok. Just saying that spamming the knee isn't unbeatable or anything.


    In other news, I made a semi-interesting discovery regarding Marstorius a little while ago. As I'm sure any Marstorius player knows, the best thing to do after a Double German is to charge back and then do the tiger dash punch to get close. This sets you up for a crossup, of course.

    But instead of charging back and then hitting forward + weak punch, you can also perform the dash punch by hitting DOWN-FORWARD + weak punch instead. Keep the down-forward held and you can begin charging down (charge buffering). Mars has two moves he can do out of a down charge, unfortunately using the Moonsault on a rising opponent isn't very useful. Most of the time it's easy to block and they can throw you first. His rising knee attack though is a little more useful. It hits on the way up with partial invincibility, and also on the way down. So you can do a rising knee on them when they get up, and most any wakeup move they attempt will get stuffed. If they block the first part of the knee, the second part crosses up! This knocks them down again and you have another knockdown, and can go for a regular jumping crossup before they know what's going on...

    This probably isn't all that useful in the long run, but it does give Marstorius an extra option on what to do after a double german. Hell, if you ever have an opportunity to gain ground with the dash punch, you can also start it with the down-forward + punch and then have a charge ready should you want to moonsault or rising knee. Just thought it was cool since I had no idea this game had charge buffering, haha.
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