The Superman Thread: PREACH IT, goody!

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This is a thread so that goody can preach the truth of Superman for all unbelievers.
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  • goodm0urninggoodm0urning AWKWARD... BITCH Joined: Posts: 14,235
    If anybody has any questions, I will field them here.

    A brief history:

    Superman debuted in Action Comics #1, in June of 1938. You know the issue, because the cover tells a story in itself: some gangsters decided to fuck with Superman's shit, but he was like, "HELL NO" and he fucked up their car and threatened to stick the bumper up the driver's ass. Superman doesn't fuck around, especially when he has your car and a convenient rock to smash it on. You'd better have your insurance paid up, bitch.

    Superman later learned to fly, and why the fuck not? Gangsters aren't even safe in airplanes anymore. Better hope there aren't any flying rocks for him to smash your plane on, or you're screwed.

    Eventually, all the gangsters in Metropolis just gave up and called it a day, because really, you're a god damn retard if you're trying to make a living of petty crimes in Superman's favorite city in the world. However, there were no shortage of evil supervillains who came to town looking for a piece. Superman sent the bad guys packing, because by this point he was powerful enough to do anything. Brainiac? Nope. Lex Luthor? Pshaw. Even when depowered, Supes thoroughly owned the Great Bald One.

    Then DC planned to write Superman out of existence and replace him with a newer, weaker Superman who probably liked margarine and scrambled porn. But fear not, because the real deal was given a grand send-off by Alan Moore, who writes like your mom fucks: it goes on forever and it is never anything less than excellent.

    But that's not all for Superman. Eventually, he was brought back by Grant Morrison in All Star Superman, a series so excellent that presidents have perjured themselves and ex-football stars have murdered their uppity wives in order to obtain the latest issue. I would shiv your firstborn child in order to make #9 come out just a little bit sooner. The Big Guy is back, and any gangster smart enough to not want a bumper up his ass is running and hiding as we speak.
  • RockBogartRockBogart Donkologist, Ph.D Joined: Posts: 37,174 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    All Star Superman is too good. Frank writing in All Star Batman was ass in comparison and still hasn't gotten much better.
  • goodm0urninggoodm0urning AWKWARD... BITCH Joined: Posts: 14,235
    All Star Superman is too good. Frank writing in All Star Batman was ass in comparison and still hasn't gotten much better.
    Frank's writing in All Star Batman is over the top, absurd, and hilarious--and I think that's exactly as he intended it. If I have one real gripe with the writing, it's that approximately 47 issues have gone by and only a few things have happened. As Zeph might say, it's a clear sign that the story is being tailored for the TRADE, BABY.
  • RockBogartRockBogart Donkologist, Ph.D Joined: Posts: 37,174 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    47? Dont you mean like 8?
  • goodm0urninggoodm0urning AWKWARD... BITCH Joined: Posts: 14,235
    47? Dont you mean like 8?
    Whatever. Do I look like I'm good at math? The point is, for being this far into the series, you'd figure a little more would have happened by now.
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    ASBAR is ALL SKILL BABY!!!!
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  • goodm0urninggoodm0urning AWKWARD... BITCH Joined: Posts: 14,235
    For those who like to keep abreast of all things Super, here is an excellent clip of Michael Rosenbaum, TV's Lex Luthor and the Flash, breakdancing in an interview:



    Now that is diabolical.
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    For those who like to keep abreast of all things Super, here is an excellent clip of Michael Rosenbaum, TV's Lex Luthor and the Flash, breakdancing in an interview:



    Now that is diabolical.

    lol we all know lex had the rhythm and clark was a dunce with two left feet...didnt need video evidence to prove it.
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  • ZephyranthesZephyranthes Mad Mod Poet God Joined: Posts: 2,436 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Any of you all ever read Lex Luthor: Man of Steel? That's another one of the greatest Superman stories I've ever encountered.
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  • goodm0urninggoodm0urning AWKWARD... BITCH Joined: Posts: 14,235
    Any of you all ever read Lex Luthor: Man of Steel? That's another one of the greatest Superman stories I've ever encountered.
    It's a good book. For those of you who don't know, it's a Superman story told from Luthor's point of view: it shows Supes the way Luthor sees him, and makes an effort to understand Luthor's motivations and inner feelings. It's a three dimensional way of portraying a typically two dimensional villain.

    And, going against the grain of comics stories in this day and age,
    Batman takes on Superman--and loses.
    A bit refreshing, since the novelty of the opposite scenario wore off long ago.
  • matrix9280matrix9280 Not banned Joined: Posts: 2,604
    It's a good book. For those of you who don't know, it's a Superman story told from Luthor's point of view: it shows Supes the way Luthor sees him, and makes an effort to understand Luthor's motivations and inner feelings. It's a three dimensional way of portraying a typically two dimensional villain.

    And, going against the grain of comics stories in this day and age,
    Batman takes on Superman--and loses.
    A bit refreshing, since the novelty of the opposite scenario wore off long ago.

    :rofl:
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  • TizocTizoc Joined: Posts: 11,406
    Tho not a Superman fan, I picked up Superman vs. ALIENS just cuz of the Aliens/Xenomorphs. I loved how Supes got overpowered at times and shit, but right now I like it a lot....mainly cuz of the Xenomorphs.
    Supergirl>Superman IMHO, no offense.
    Still I'd read that Lex Luthor one just for literaty reasons
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    superman vs terminator is....not good
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    All Star Batman and Robin is funny. Frank Miller is writing Batman like an 8 year old boy who hasn't aged mentally since the day his parents are murdered. Once someone explained that to me I felt I was in on the joke. It's like how his Wonder Woman in the book hates all men. Ideally she would, growing up around man haters. It's all about Miller's truer interpretations of how the characters would be like in real life. His Batman in this book may be stretching it a bit but oh well at least it's funny. "I'M THE GODDAMN BATMAN!" See, eight year old with a potty mouth. :rofl: I still wish Robin did more in the book but it seems like he's about to.

    All Star Superman is better though by leaps and bounds IMHO.
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    All Star Superman is better though by leaps and bounds IMHO.

    I see what you did there.

    Anyway, All Star Supes is the best Superman book out there right now. Each issue just feels like a huge mega-event for some reason. The writing and pacing is so well-crafted that it makes you just want this book every month. Bizarro World was handled damn well. Grant Morrison can do anything thanks to drugs.

    As for Batman, I don't even take the book seriously(the way most people should be reading it). It's just over-the-top and even Frank knows it's not that serious. It's good to know that it takes place in the DKR universe. I guess we'll finally see what lead up to those events in DKR.
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  • AYO?!AYO?! Strong Style Hips. Joined: Posts: 19,031
    I have a few questions about comics and arcs.

    Has the All-Star Supes line been made in TPB's yet? And how many are there? I read the issues with Clark and Lex in prison and was hooked.

    I've also wanted to get the King Superman arc, does that as well have a TPB?

    How good was the Joker w.e arc where he steals Mxy's powers?

    On a different note, I always liked how Supes was done in the Batman comics, Specifically the one's with Lee as artist. Man...what a badass Superman he can do.

    >_> Is there a Bats thread? We need both members of the World's Finest represented lol.
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    morrison says he gave millar the ending to red son, that it was the best superman idea he ever had
  • ZephyranthesZephyranthes Mad Mod Poet God Joined: Posts: 2,436 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Has the All-Star Supes line been made in TPB's yet? And how many are there? I read the issues with Clark and Lex in prison and was hooked.

    So far, there is a hardcover collecting #s 1-6. MSRP is $19.99. It's a very sexual comic book. I really hope an Absolute Edition gets made somewhere down the line.
    I've also wanted to get the King Superman arc, does that as well have a TPB?

    This, I do not recognize. The arc is called "King Superman"? Sorry, I don't know.

    How good was the Joker w.e arc where he steals Mxy's powers?

    Straight garbage. Not worth your money and probably not worth your time, unless you don't really care and just want to see what happens. There is an Emperor Joker TPB if you really insist, though.

    All those stories from the days when they linked all four Superman titles and did crossovers... Really lousy work. There's not much sense of cohesion and the many different artists' styles getting slammed together in TPB form does not make a good read. The fact that different writers handled each chapter was a plain stupid idea. You could really tell that different people were writing it.

    On a different note, I always liked how Supes was done in the Batman comics, Specifically the one's with Lee as artist. Man...what a badass Superman he can do.

    Did you read Superman: For Tomorrow? That was a good story. I think Jim Lee kind of killed Azzarello's brooding tone, though, so the story wasn't as good as it should have been. There was a lot of dialogue and buildup in the drama there but you only want Jim Lee to draw chicks and action scenes.

    Like, I recommend anyone who owns the For Tomorrow TPBs to go through them right now and count how many times Superman has his fists clenched. There are scenes when he's pouring out his heart to a priest in a cathedral, and Superman still has his fists clenched with his muscles just bulging. That's not good storytelling. Seriously, count all the clenched fists. Really inappropriate.
    >_> Is there a Bats thread? We need both members of the World's Finest represented lol.

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    morrison says he gave millar the ending to red son, that it was the best superman idea he ever had

    Red Son is another Superman story totally worth reading. Unless you're a Millar hater. Then you can go lick a goat's genitals.
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    Red Son's good even if you could care less about Millar. Trust me, it's well worth reading.
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    batman's hat makes red son worth reading.
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    batman's hat makes red son worth reading.
    I swear I would wear it if it were sold in stores. I would wear it in 100+ degree heat in the summer.
  • goodm0urninggoodm0urning AWKWARD... BITCH Joined: Posts: 14,235
    News on the next Superflick: Dougherty and Harris have left the project. Singer is currently accepting treatments from other Hollywood screenwriters, and he intends to make the next film in the series a direct sequel to Superman Returns.

    With that one stipulation in mind, what are your ideas? What would you put in your dream Superman film? Let's brainstorm.
  • Pained AuronPained Auron teh cock of justice Joined: Posts: 2,098
    three words "KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!!!"

    oh batman > superman
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    My dream Superman movie would probably involve Batman beating the snot out of him with a couple of Kryptonite Hulk Hands, like in DKSA. But my dreams never come true. So hopefully we'll get Brainiac.

    I never was too impressed with Superman's rogues gallery beyond Luthor and Brainiac (and Darkseid, thanks to the cartoon), so unless they create a new villain, I wouldn't mind Brainiac. But only if they got Corey Burton to do his voice again. It was Corey Burton, right? The dude who played Shockwave in Transformers?

    Otherwise, Superman Returns Again: Kneel Before Zod sounds pretty enticing to me.
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    Fun fact: Zod was one of the many villains mentioned when Singer and crew were bouncing ideas around for SR. They actually asked Jude Law if he'd be interested in playing the role, but when Law declined, the Zod idea fell out of interest.

    Personally, I don't want to see Zod again. Unless it's Terence Stamp in that weird black jumpsuit, which is one of the greatest things in the history of cinema.

    I'm not sure yet what my story would be, but I know for sure I'd grab stacks of Superman comics, pick out the ideas I really like, and try to find a common thread running through some of them that would translate well for the screen. Though a lot of fans would certainly disagree with me, I would prefer a film that teaches the audience something about Superman than another cookie-cutter villain beat 'em up movie.

    If you were to twist my balls and make me pick out a villain now, I would say Brainiac or Darkseid. There are a lot of good Superman villains to pick from, but these two would be appropriately "big" for the screen, and would also lend themselves well to a fleshed-out, three dimensional story. They're not just the latest villains to roll into town and threaten Metropolis.

    If it were Brainiac, I would introduce the Bottled City of Kandor. It's a little bit cheesy, but it's another twist of the knife for Superman. Part of his character is that he's cut off forever from his culture and his people, and Kandor represents a chance to rectify that. The conflict here, of course, is that it happens to be in the hands of a formidable and merciless opponent. And, of course, even if he wins, one of Superman's legendary unsolvable problems is the restoration of Kandor and its people to their natural size.

    I think the key to a good Darkseid story is understanding that Superman is more than just a physically powerful dude. The greatest lesson he learns in his career as a superhero is that physical power alone cannot save the world. He can put out fires, but in order to win the hearts and minds of human beings, he must be a heroic icon and lead by example (sound familiar?). Darkseid represents a huge problem: even if Superman can beat him physically, he still hasn't won the war. The people of Apokolips know nothing but the rule of Darkseid, so they'll flock back to that iron-fisted rule if they're given the chance. Supes can stomp Darkseid's guts out, but that won't save the people that Darkseid has oppressed.

    In other words... heavy stuff. That's the key. Give Superman a problem to chew on that's more than just a physical challenge. Don't be afraid to let him fail. People might not be able to relate to Superman when he's streaking through the sky and pounding villains into a pulp, but they can relate to him when his efforts aren't met with 100% success.
  • goodm0urninggoodm0urning AWKWARD... BITCH Joined: Posts: 14,235
    Time for an SK-style countdown.

    Eight days.
  • goodm0urninggoodm0urning AWKWARD... BITCH Joined: Posts: 14,235
    Seven days.
  • goodm0urninggoodm0urning AWKWARD... BITCH Joined: Posts: 14,235
    Six. Five, actually. Five.
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    Four days.
  • ZephyranthesZephyranthes Mad Mod Poet God Joined: Posts: 2,436 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Eighteen days, actually. It got pushed back again.
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    Where do you think they'll take the next movie with Supes' kid and the loss of his crystals?

    I mean it kinda sucks that he lost all that knowledge contained therein.

    I liked "For Tomorrow," it was kinda cool how he tried to stop the fighting by taking away everyone's weapons, and they resort to stones.
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    Eighteen days, actually. It got pushed back again.
    Fuck, dude, they might as well cancel it at this point. What, are they shooting for a bi-yearly book now?
    Where do you think they'll take the next movie with Supes' kid and the loss of his crystals?

    I mean it kinda sucks that he lost all that knowledge contained therein.
    I'm not sure. The crystals aren't necessarily lost. They're on the island, which is currently space born. It's a problem for Supes, since the thing is laced with green K and he can't exactly just land on it and go looking for the crystals, but they're hardly gone for good.

    As for the kid, I wouldn't mind this being the beginning of a Super-dynasty, in which the kid isn't necessarily a part of the action but might help people covertly and receive training in his abilities for the future, but I don't know if they'd do that. Hopefully they don't just turn the boy into Super-hostage.
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    Actually, I was just kidding about the new delay. I was just wondering what your reaction would be.
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    Actually, I was just kidding about the new delay. I was just wondering what your reaction would be.
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    Three.
  • Pained AuronPained Auron teh cock of justice Joined: Posts: 2,098
    nope. still four for me
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    nope. still four for me
    Good thing Lex Luthor hasn't blown off a chunk of your state, otherwise Superman would have to reverse time and then it would still be four days for me too.

    In other news, I probably need to get more sleep.
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    If you see this message before you go to sleep, I would like to know what your all-time favorite Superman issues and/or stories are. Other than All-Star and Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow, I mean. I already know you hate those comics with all your heart because they don't match up to the Death of Superman (aka, Greatest Comics Saga of the '90s and, thus, of ALL-TIME).

    Otherwise, answer me when you wake up.
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    If you see this message before you go to sleep, I would like to know what your all-time favorite Superman issues and/or stories are. Other than All-Star and Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow, I mean. I already know you hate those comics with all your heart because they don't match up to the Death of Superman (aka, Greatest Comics Saga of the '90s and, thus, of ALL-TIME).
    Man, you are just full of lulz tonight.

    If I had to pare things down to just a handful of favorites, I'd pick:

    For The Man Who Has Everything (Supes Annual 11)

    Since you're not letting me pick the obvious Alan Moore Superman story, I'll pick this one. Not only is it written by Alan Moore, but it's drawn by Dave Gibbons, so you know it's going to rule. The JLU television adaptation of this story is pretty good, but it sorely lacks the spot-on recreation of the Mort Weisinger Krypton featured in Moore's version. A lot of writers try to get Supes angry, but Moore does it here in a way that feels natural and in-character.


    Exile At The Edge Of Eternity (Superman 400)

    I'm not overly familiar with Steranko's stuff, but I've checked out a few of his more "out there" pieces, and this is one of my favorites. The experimental format is cool as hell, telling the story in a unique way without becoming distracting, and the artwork is suitably epic. 2001: A Space Odyssey is my favorite movie, and this story sort of reminds me of that, in the way that it follows the evolution of super-humanity through various stages. And like Whatever Happened To The Man Of Tomorrow, this is one of the last great stories before the reboot.


    The Showdown Between Luthor And Superman (?)

    This story is great. Supes and Luthor maroon themselves on a wilderness planet that orbits a red sun, so they have to match wits and survive the harsh environment in order to finally settle their score. The twist end shows that there is more to Luthor than just two-dimensional mad scientist megalomania (in an era when writers typically didn't do this), and it is a little satisfying to see Superman get scuffed up a bit. I don't remember off the top of my head which issue number or which book it is, but I'm pretty sure it was published in 1960 or something like that. I think you can get it in a trade collection. I know you can get the first two in trades.


    (I don't remember what this story was called, but I found it deeply touching. Kindly try not to laugh at me.)

    Since you're making me feel obligated to pick at least one token Death Of Superman-era story, I will. I don't remember the title or the issue number, but there was one story in which the Justice League visits the Metropolis post office, shortly after Superman's "death." They learn that Supes had a tradition of going there every year on Christmas Eve, when he would read all the letters sent to him and try to help out the people who asked for it. Since Supes is obviously not around, the JL members take it upon themselves to act in his stead. I actually got a little choked up when (I think) Flash and Green Lantern built a new house for the woman whose home was destroyed in the Doomsday rampage. Again, stop laughing at me.


    Peace On Earth

    I haven't exactly made my opinion of Alex Ross a secret, but this is one instance in which I think he did alright by Superman. Here, he teams up with Paul Dini (who helped everyone remember the true nature of Batman and Superman during the dark age of the 90s), and tells a simple story that explores themes that are classic Superman.


    Must There Be A Superman? (Superman 247, or the 1970s trade collection)

    People usually see Superman's sense of virtue and ethics to be unshakable. This story is cool because it challenges that idea. The Guardians of the Universe implant the notion in Superman's head that his activities hinder the natural growth of humanity, which forces him to reappraise which situations he should or shouldn't help in. There's one memorable moment in which Supes has a confrontation with a group of farmhands, who seek his help with a problem they could solve for themselves. Supes refuses and tries to explain why, but his lesson is lost on them when an earthquake forces him to help them anyway.
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    Yeah All-Star Superman will not ship this week. At the very least, it is not on Midtown Comics' list of books coming out this Wednesday.
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    Yeah All-Star Superman will not ship this week. At the very least, it is not on Midtown Comics' list of books coming out this Wednesday.
    We will see about that.

    EDIT:

    Son of a bitch. It has been delayed another week.



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    Don't know alot about Supes,but is he the strongest ever from his planet or is there evidence of others from his planet being even stronger?
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    Just read Emperor Joker, other than the confusing opening I liked it. Ignition, Bizarro and Superman were most interesting, and Joker played his part well lol.

    Batman got messed up big time, honestly I think it's one of the most brutal things I've seen in comics. (In a psychological way).
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    If they were to do another superman movie, I'd like to see Darkseid. Have supes' ship pass Apokolips on his way to Krypton, insert shit about finding earth, show up to earth and try to take the mother fucker over.

    Of course, that's what the fanboy in me wants to see. Hell, I'd be happy with a movie version of the superman animated show where Darkseid shows up and merc's turpin. lol
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    If they were to do another superman movie, I'd like to see Darkseid. Have supes' ship pass Apokolips on his way to Krypton, insert shit about finding earth, show up to earth and try to take the mother fucker over.

    Of course, that's what the fanboy in me wants to see. Hell, I'd be happy with a movie version of the superman animated show where Darkseid shows up and merc's turpin. lol

    lol turpins death is one of the only animated deaths...permenant ones in kid cartoon history.

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    For The Man Who Has Everything (Supes Annual 11)

    By mandate of the SRK Comic Book Forum Illuminati, Superman Annual #11 is a required favorite Superman story. It's not enough to just read it or watch the JLU adaptation. You must also love it long and hard.

    Exile At The Edge Of Eternity (Superman 400)

    Must There Be A Superman? (Superman 247, or the 1970s trade collection)

    The Showdown Between Luthor And Superman (?)

    I will try to track those down somehow and get back to you. Then I, too, shall be able to look down from the mountaintop of Superman Readers and laugh at the masses who have not been able to experience the classics, and thus, who completely misunderstand the purpose of Superman's existence.

    (I don't remember what this story was called, but I found it deeply touching. Kindly try not to laugh at me.)

    Ha.

    Peace On Earth

    I think Superman is maybe the one superhero who looks okay as one of Alex Ross' fat friends dressed up in a Halloween costume.


    Yeah All-Star Superman will not ship this week. At the very least, it is not on Midtown Comics' list of books coming out this Wednesday.

    That sucks, dude, that we won't be getting any ASS this week. On the other hand, at least goody can bump up his post count by restarting the countdown. Guess there's a bright side to every sad situation.

    Don't know alot about Supes,but is he the strongest ever from his planet or is there evidence of others from his planet being even stronger?

    I think that he is the strongest because he's the only survivor of his planet. Unless Supergirl counts as a fellow survivor. Even so, Superman is still stronger than Supergirl because he is a man and she is a girl.

    I am not too sure about the Kryptonians who survived by being trapped in the Phantom Zone. I presume they are about as strong as Superman (assuming they can gain power from our galaxy's yellow sun). If they worked out in the Phantom Zone, maybe they could be stronger than Superman, but he was a farmer, so he probably has pretty good fitness even without his powers.


    I think my two of my favorite Superman stories (other than Alan Moore's and ASS) are still It's A Bird... and Secret Identity.

    Action Comics #775 is another one of the best. That was the one where Superman fought the Elite, who were basically an analogue for The Authority. Joe Kelly wrote some goodass shit about why Superman is still relevant in a postmodern world. The comic just works because it has a great plot that's also a great metaphor. It's Superman vs. The Authority!

    Action Comics #800 was memorable, too. Maybe because I only read it like a few months ago, but it's another Joe Kelly story about why Superman is such an icon. There's a series of connected vignettes illustrated by various artists but it's only at the end when you really see where Kelly's going with his story. Pretty skillful writing. There's a lot of cool imagery in the comic, like this one scene Lee Bermejo drew of a firefighter wearing a t-shirt with the S-shield.

    Speaking of Bermejo, Lex Luthor: Man of Steel is another one of my favorites.

    I just got Joe Casey's entire run on Adventures of Superman from eBay and read it all. Casey's one of my all-time favorite writers but I have to admit that his Adventures of Superman run is uneven due to the terrible editorial situation (early 2000s). A lot of his issues were forced crossovers with the other three monthly Superman comics at the time, so that sucked. (I think that's why Superman comics generally sucked through the entire '90s.)

    But the issues when you could tell he was allowed to do his own thing really shined because Casey had generally had Superman use his mind to defeat his foes, and Superman mostly used his powers to help people. There was a good mix of Silver Age-style adventuring and British Invasion-style meditative storytelling. He had some great artists working with him, too, like Wieringo and Pete Woods. Some dude I ain't ever heard of, Derec Aucoin, did a bunch of Casey's issues, too, and they were pretty outstanding. What happened to Aucoin?

    Other than that, I don't really know what else are my favorites. I like Superman For All Seasons and Birthright, but I don't know if I would proclaim them from the mountain and laugh down at the people who haven't read them. Maybe it's because lots of people already did read them and I wouldn't be able to feel as unique, pretentious, and elitist by claiming them as my favorites.

    Oh, I guess Alan Moore's complete run on Rob Liefeld's Supreme ranks pretty highly. We all know Alan Moore's Supreme is basically all the Superman stories he ever wanted to tell. That's the best stuff, probably.

    And Casey's run on Mr. Majestic is basically a pre-Crisis Superman thing. Ed McGuinness drew awesome stuff for those, back before he got stuck drawing things written by hacks like Jeph Loeb and... uh, Jeph Loeb.
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  • TaichiTaichi Fuck Heroics. Joined: Posts: 1,462
    Just bought the Death of Superman TPB.

    the best part about that story is STILL when Doomsday steamrolls the Justice League.

    because they fucking sucked back then (and that's saying something, considering I'm a HUGE fan of Guy, Ted, and Booster).
    Now at Midnight, all the agents, and superhuman crew go out and round up everyone that knows more than they do...
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  • goodm0urninggoodm0urning AWKWARD... BITCH Joined: Posts: 14,235
    By mandate of the SRK Comic Book Forum Illuminati, Superman Annual #11 is a required favorite Superman story. It's not enough to just read it or watch the JLU adaptation. You must also love it long and hard.
    My love is always long and hard.
    I will try to track those down somehow and get back to you. Then I, too, shall be able to look down from the mountaintop of Superman Readers and laugh at the masses who have not been able to experience the classics, and thus, who completely misunderstand the purpose of Superman's existence.
    Upon checking into it, I'm pretty sure all three of these stories are in the Greatest Superman Stories volumes. I feel like a poseur now.
    I think my two of my favorite Superman stories (other than Alan Moore's and ASS) are still It's A Bird... and Secret Identity.
    These are both very good, though I'm hesitant to call them Superman stories. They're tangentially related to Superman, but I tend to think of them as independent of the mythology.
    Other than that, I don't really know what else are my favorites. I like Superman For All Seasons and Birthright, but I don't know if I would proclaim them from the mountain and laugh down at the people who haven't read them. Maybe it's because lots of people already did read them and I wouldn't be able to feel as unique, pretentious, and elitist by claiming them as my favorites.
    Lulz. They're really not bad at all. They just don't have that light-shining-down-from-the-heavens-to-favor-us-mere-mortals quality that you get with something like ASS (for instance). And for Waid and Loeb, the storytelling and characterization are at least decent.
    Oh, I guess Alan Moore's complete run on Rob Liefeld's Supreme ranks pretty highly. We all know Alan Moore's Supreme is basically all the Superman stories he ever wanted to tell. That's the best stuff, probably.
    I haven't read The Return, but I've read Story Of The Year. It's superb. I bet Alan Moore is the kind of guy who looks in the mirror every morning and says, "Who's a clever bastard? That's right: Alan Moore is a clever bastard." Great gimmickry in addition to the old-school storytelling.
    And Casey's run on Mr. Majestic is basically a pre-Crisis Superman thing. Ed McGuinness drew awesome stuff for those, back before he got stuck drawing things written by hacks like Jeph Loeb and... uh, Jeph Loeb.
    Lulz x2.
    Just bought the Death of Superman TPB.

    the best part about that story is STILL when Doomsday steamrolls the Justice League.

    because they fucking sucked back then (and that's saying something, considering I'm a HUGE fan of Guy, Ted, and Booster).
    Yeah, that was one of the especially irksome details of that arc. Maxima? Ice? Come on. You'd figure if someone as important as Superman is about to get snuffed, the least they could do is throw in a few A-list League members for the occasion.
  • Carpet LintCarpet Lint MUHFUGGA NEVA LOVED US Joined: Posts: 3,404
    I still don't understand why Guy couldn't have just chucked Doomsday into space with like a giant yellow spring or something.

    Superman Annual #11 and Action Comics #775 rank in my top 10 favourite single issues of all time. I would never have suspected one of my top ten issues would be by Joe Kelly and Doug Mahnke. I like both of them (Deadpool and JLA)...but what are the chances, you know?

    But that comic was like Superman, Truth, and Justice punching Mark Millar and his ultra extreme team of assholes (regardless if it was The Authority or The Ultimates) right in the face. Feels so good every time I re-read it.
  • ZephyranthesZephyranthes Mad Mod Poet God Joined: Posts: 2,436 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    I still don't understand why Guy couldn't have just chucked Doomsday into space with like a giant yellow spring or something.

    I don't understand why Superman didn't just float in orbit and just shoot fire from his eyes down at Doomsday while Batman thought up a plan to destroy that Hulk-ripoff motherfucker.

    I think it was stories like Death of Superman that turned me off to Superman for so many years. They made me think that Superman was a dumbass because these writers would only show Superman solving problems by punching them out. Superman has more power than a million exploding suns and he is the original golden guardian of good, right? So how come when the going got tough he never used his powers and only tried to punch his foes. I never got that.

    But that comic was like Superman, Truth, and Justice . . .

    I do believe you mean to say "Superman, Truth, Justice, and the American Way." Stupid Canucklehead. Get it right, bub. Go play some damn baseball and eat some apple pie.

    Action #775 is one of my favorite single issues, too. I still reread it a couple of times a year. But I think Superman was punching Warren Ellis, not Millar. Doesn't Action #775 predate Millar's runs on The Authority and The Ultimates? I'm too lazy to check, so I will just confidently say that I am correct.
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