The Superman Thread: PREACH IT, goody!

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  • TaichiTaichi Fuck Heroics. Joined: Posts: 1,462
    Zeph: The reason Supes didn't use his powers?

    had nothing to do with Superman, had everything to do with his shitty writers. "Superman isn't relevant, anymore. Let's kill him!"

    "Brilliant!"

    no, not brilliant. Superman wouldn't BE Irrelevant if you were a competent writer, asshole.
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  • goodm0urninggoodm0urning AWKWARD... BITCH Joined: Posts: 14,235
    Zeph: The reason Supes didn't use his powers?

    had nothing to do with Superman, had everything to do with his shitty writers. "Superman isn't relevant, anymore. Let's kill him!"

    "Brilliant!"

    no, not brilliant. Superman wouldn't BE Irrelevant if you were a competent writer, asshole.
    Truer words were never spoken. And Supes isn't the only classic hero who's gotten this kind of treatment in the modern age.
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    Eight days. I have a five dollar bill on my wall. I put a push-pin through the Great Emancipator's forehead. That money is just waiting to go to the comic book store so I can pull some ASS.
  • nameingwaynameingway I say thee nay Joined: Posts: 3,105 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    action comics #775 was fucking great. if anyone hasn't read it, move it up on your list of things to do. superman, serious business.
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    action comics #775 was fucking great. if anyone hasn't read it, move it up on your list of things to do. superman, serious business.
    It's decent. I'll always remember it as the comic in which Superman proved conclusively that psychic mutants don't have shit on him.
  • HellionHellion .5 Beat Combat Joined: Posts: 888
    I am a Superman newb you all will be laughing at from the top of that mountain.
    Just a few questions
    Isn't he supposed to be just as intelligent as Batman?

    Isn't the only reason Batman "gets away" with "beating Supes" the fact that Superman would try his best not to kill him?

    If Superman wanted to he could just obliterate the entire city block Batman was hiding in right?
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  • goodm0urninggoodm0urning AWKWARD... BITCH Joined: Posts: 14,235
    I am a Superman newb you all will be laughing at from the top of that mountain.
    Just a few questions
    Isn't he supposed to be just as intelligent as Batman?
    It depends on who's writing him and what time period you're looking at. Classic Superman, among his many other super-abilities, was super-intelligent. He had a perfect memory, was an extraordinary lateral thinker, and had a knack for learning new things quickly. The modern Superman is much more average in this regard.
    Isn't the only reason Batman "gets away" with "beating Supes" the fact that Superman would try his best not to kill him?
    While Superman's hesitance towards harming his friends is a factor, Batman is also the most absurdly broken character in all of comics. Really, if it is even thinkable for a human being to be able to do anything, Batman has already mastered it. He is an expert in anything and everything remotely relating to crime fighting, he is a brilliant tactician, and he is always prepared.
    If Superman wanted to he could just obliterate the entire city block Batman was hiding in right?
    Sort of. It isn't just an issue of whether Superman wants to do it or not. His sense of psychological restraint is so powerful that it prevents him from exercising his powers in lethal ways, even if he might want to.

    That said, a guy with all of Superman's physical power and none of his deeply-ingrained compassion could turn Batman into a cinder from miles away if he wanted to.
  • TaichiTaichi Fuck Heroics. Joined: Posts: 1,462
    The reason Batman continually beats Superman has nothing to do with 'in story' ideas.

    it's simple: Frank Miller did it in DKR, and it was awesome, so awesome that anybody who came after had to try the same thing.

    so awesome that it became cliche.

    Superman would destroy Batman in a one-on-one fight, even if Batman WERE fighting dirty.
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  • HellionHellion .5 Beat Combat Joined: Posts: 888
    Sorry I don't mean for this to degenerate into a vs thread, it's a given that Supes would own Bats if things took a turn for the worst. Thing is what defintes "the worst?"
    What would it take for Supes to pull the stops on his psyche and destroy his opponents?
    What about how he was depicted against "Aliens?"
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  • TaichiTaichi Fuck Heroics. Joined: Posts: 1,462
    yeah, I'm not in the mood for a versus thread either.

    I can't think of very many epic Superman arcs. After you've read "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?", "Superman for All Seasons", and "For the Man who has Everything"....What else is there?

    All Star Superman is a given, but I've read all of that too.
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  • goodm0urninggoodm0urning AWKWARD... BITCH Joined: Posts: 14,235
    Exile At The Edge Of Eternity is pretty epic. It's short, but it's epic in scope. Check it out. It's written and drawn by everybody's favorite former escape artists-turned-awesome comic book guy.

    Also, six days. Hopefully.
  • kane_warheadkane_warhead Blanka forever Joined: Posts: 1,532
    The reason Batman continually beats Superman has nothing to do with 'in story' ideas.

    it's simple: Frank Miller did it in DKR, and it was awesome, so awesome that anybody who came after had to try the same thing.

    so awesome that it became cliche.

    Superman would destroy Batman in a one-on-one fight, even if Batman WERE fighting dirty.

    I don't believe that.

    This is Batman, we're talking about. I'm not being a fanboy, but we all know that Superman at it's best would always go to brute force. Batman always has a contingency plan. And even if we go that Superman could just kill Batman at Superspeed with SUper strength or whatever... Batman always has some ace in his sleeve. In continuity, Batman can already sneak up on Superman(I'm talking about the first arc in JLA grant morrison run).

    Batman always prepares for everything... And Batman always fights dirty. There are no rules regarding a dirty fight.
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    is superman birthright canon?

    cause if it is...superman got some broken ass powers in it. lol. soul seeing.
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  • kane_warheadkane_warhead Blanka forever Joined: Posts: 1,532
    is superman birthright canon?

    cause if it is...superman got some broken ass powers in it. lol. soul seeing.

    Before the infinite crisis it is. It retcons Man of Steel.

    But after the incoming crisis we'll get a new history.
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  • maxxmaxx DIO THE DESTROYER Joined: Posts: 35,802 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Before the infinite crisis it is. It retcons Man of Steel.

    But after the incoming crisis we'll get a new history.

    oh fucking hell....just..just when i thought supes might be kinda cool. fuck.
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  • TaichiTaichi Fuck Heroics. Joined: Posts: 1,462
    Yeah, in the intermediate between "Infinite" and "Final" Crisis, I wouldn't get too hung up on what is and isn't canon, because it could all easily change next summer.
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  • goodm0urninggoodm0urning AWKWARD... BITCH Joined: Posts: 14,235
    Yeah, in the intermediate between "Infinite" and "Final" Crisis, I wouldn't get too hung up on what is and isn't canon, because it could all easily change next summer.
    I think the official word right now is that Supes currently has no origin. Except, of course, the basic shit that stays consistent among the different versions.

    If they have any sense at all, they'll pull their heads out of their asses and just hire Grant Morrison to expand the first four panels of ASS #1 into the new origin story.
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    Exile At The Edge Of Eternity is pretty epic. It's short, but it's epic in scope. Check it out. It's written and drawn by everybody's favorite former escape artists-turned-awesome comic book guy.

    What issue number is this Steranko story and where can I find it?


    Also, Superman vs. Aliens is plain whack garbage.
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  • goodm0urninggoodm0urning AWKWARD... BITCH Joined: Posts: 14,235
    What issue number is this Steranko story and where can I find it?
    Superman #400, a whole page back in this thread.

    It's in one of the "Greatest Stories Ever Told" collections. Probably the first one.
  • ReggieHadokenReggieHadoken Power Up Joined: Posts: 3,343 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    I :lovin: this thread.

    I'm gonna get it outta the way right now. I was not impressed with Superman For All Seasons. Yes, I said it. The book didn't do a thing for me and I'm a huge fan of Loeb/Sale collaberations. OK, I admit that I liked how the story was more about Clark than his blue & red alter ego, and I don't mind a slow paced style story but for some reason, I just didn't really take to this book at all.

    Are the current regulae Superman titles, Action Comics and Superman worth reading? Sounds like everyone is just sticking to All-Star Superman.

    Superman: Birthright was an awesome story, I thought. A fantastic retelling of Supes origin. No big deal if it isn't cannon anymore.

    Speak of Supes origin, why oh why, must DC constantly eff with it every few years? The origin Segiel & Shuster came up with was just fine. There's a reason Spider-Man's story hasn't been screwed with. The reason? Lee & Ditko explained all we needed to Spidey's origin was explained perfectly in just 11 pages. Heck, Morrison sumped up Supes origin perfectly in All-Star Superman #1 in just 8 words and 4 pannels. Guess that isn't good enough for DC. I think they get off screwing with Supe's origin and doing multi-world stories.

    Oh and if you're any kind of Superman fan, yiou WILL own all 3 vols. of Superman: TAS. This isn't even something that's up for debate. I mean, if you don't own them, you're an awful human being that no one will ever love. No, scratch that, you aren't even a memeber of the human race. It was thanks to this series that I saw some of the best Superman in animation ever. Dan Turpin get killed by Darkseid's Omega Beams, Superman flying into rage, brilliant, amazingly beautiful stuff. Thanks to STAS, Darkseid became one of my fav Superman villains.
  • goodm0urninggoodm0urning AWKWARD... BITCH Joined: Posts: 14,235
    Yeah, The Animated Series is definitely rock solid. Season three was especially great. Too bad it came to an end... of course, they turned around and did Justice League after that.

    DC keeps fucking with Superman's continuity because they have this intense neurosis about whether or not Superman is still relevant. If they'd concentrate less on keeping him relevant and more on just writing some fucking decent stories, like Grant Morrison is, there wouldn't be a problem. Supes is a classic. He'll be relevant if you just stick to what makes him great.
  • goodm0urninggoodm0urning AWKWARD... BITCH Joined: Posts: 14,235
    Four days.
  • goodm0urninggoodm0urning AWKWARD... BITCH Joined: Posts: 14,235
    Three days. Every time I count off another day, I feel like I'm tempting the fates to delay this fucking book again, but according to the DC official site the book is still on schedule for the 14th.
  • ZephyranthesZephyranthes Mad Mod Poet God Joined: Posts: 2,446 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Monday's a holiday, correct? So is the post office shipping one day later than usual?
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  • goodm0urninggoodm0urning AWKWARD... BITCH Joined: Posts: 14,235
    Monday's a holiday, correct? So is the post office shipping one day later than usual?
    You're right. Veterans Day. Which should be Sunday, but more state workers will get the day off if they move it to a Monday. Shit.

    Be that as it may, the 14th is still the marked release date, so it retains its symbolic power. And what is Superman about, if not symbolic power?


    Two days... sort of. Fuck you guys; give us the god damn book already...
  • SanoSano SRKSANO on PS4 Joined: Posts: 12,997 mod
    Yeah it comes out this Wednesday, no delay. The only veterans comic books care about are Sgt. Rock and Captain America. :rofl:
  • goodm0urninggoodm0urning AWKWARD... BITCH Joined: Posts: 14,235
    Yeah it comes out this Wednesday, no delay. The only veterans comic books care about are Sgt. Rock and Captain America.
    I see a "Definitive Comic Book Characters Who Are/Were Soldiers" thread on the horizon.

    Anyway, good news for ASS lovers everywhere.
  • SanoSano SRKSANO on PS4 Joined: Posts: 12,997 mod
    I see a "Definitive Comic Book Characters Who Are/Were Soldiers" thread on the horizon.

    Yeah Flash Thompson served in Viet Nam but it's never mentioned again due to it being something that would make him ancient, so now he just served overseas somewhere. That's a crash course in comic book characters who were soldiers right there... :rofl:

    Well big up to all the veterans in real life anyway. It's pretty neat when you read comics that date back to the 60s that if you read the letters page you'll see lots of them were written by people in the armed forces. :tup:
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    Yeah Flash Thompson served in Viet Nam but it's never mentioned again due to it being something that would make him ancient, so now he just served overseas somewhere. That's a crash course in comic book characters who were soldiers right there... :rofl:
    Didn't Ben and Reed actually serve together in WWII?
  • ZephyranthesZephyranthes Mad Mod Poet God Joined: Posts: 2,446 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Not only that, but Wolverine teamed up with Richard and Mary Parker back in either WWII or sometime during the early Cold War, back when Spider-Man's parents were hardcore agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
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  • SanoSano SRKSANO on PS4 Joined: Posts: 12,997 mod
    So Superman has participated in wars too before right? Did he get in on the punching Hitler in the face action that was going on back then?
  • goodm0urninggoodm0urning AWKWARD... BITCH Joined: Posts: 14,235
    So Superman has participated in wars too before right? Did he get in on the punching Hitler in the face action that was going on back then?
    Supes didn't really touch the war. There was a lot of WWII themed cover art, but as for the stories themselves, there was one that ran in Look Magazine that featured Superman singlehandedly apprehending Hitler and Stalin. This, of course, was before the United States actually entered the war, so showing Supes roughing up Stalin wasn't politically incorrect yet. Anyway, that's the only actual Superman war story that I can think of, and it wasn't even in Action Comics or Superman.

    What's more remarkable is seeing 30 year old Supes taking care of the problems of the Great Depression. Now, almost 70 years on, he's still in his 30s and he's... well, he isn't really handling the problems of today, unless you count ludicrous continuity shifts to be a modern day problem. Which I do.
  • goodm0urninggoodm0urning AWKWARD... BITCH Joined: Posts: 14,235
    One day. The five dollar bill I have pinned to the wall* will come down, it will be transported to the comic book store, and it will be exchanged for ASS #9--with enough change left for a soda, or some gum or something.













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    The big day is finally upon us. Let's hope they aren't fucking with us and today is actually the day.
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    I'm going to race you to the comic store tomorrow, m0urny.
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    So he's m0urny now? Did he graduate from being goody?
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    Who gives a fuck? It's not like it's my real name.

    Or is it? *Dr. Evil music*
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    The room is dark and damp, an unfinished basement lit solely by a bare light bulb overhead. In the circle of dim, yellow light, three figures sit around a card table in folding chairs.

    goodm0urning looks sternly across the table at the other two, and holds up a polymer bag containing All Star Superman #9.

    "Okay," he says, "you two took four months to produce this single issue. That is one entire third of a year. Over schedule by a factor of two." He removes the comic from the bag, places it on the table in front of him, and folds his hands on top of it. He leans in and inquires, "What do you have to say for yourselves?"

    The first figure across the table, Grant Morrison, says nothing. His pupils are dilated to twice their normal diameter and he is examining his fingernails with apparent intense interest. The second figure, Frank Quitely, also says nothing, but nervously scratches the back of his neck while staring at his shoes.

    goodm0urning continues. "I am going to read this now. You two are in big trouble if this doesn't end up being one of the greatest damn comics ever made."

    goodm0urning picks up the comic, leans back in his chair, props his feet up on the table, and begins to read. Frank Quitely is twiddling his thumbs and pretending to nonchalantly look about the room as he fidgets nervously. Grant Morrison seems to be attempting to pick up a small object off the floor that nobody can see but him. Despite his efforts, he makes no progress.

    After a while, goodm0urning says, "I will be back. I'm taking this with me. Don't go anywhere." He heads to the bathroom, comic in hand, and closes the door. Nothing happens for a while. Before long, Frank Quitely has squirmed his way to the edge of his seat, as if preparing for a quick escape. Grant Morrison is sitting partway under the table, stroking his own arm as if it were a kitten. He is humming what sounds like a vacillation between "God Save The Queen" and "The Greatest American Hero."

    A toilet flush is heard. Moments later, the door opens and goodm0urning returns to the table. He tosses the comic to the center of the table with a dull plop, places both hands on the tabletop, and leans forward into the circle of light. From the placement of the receipt between the pages, it is apparent that he has read all the way through the comic. His eyes, darkened by the diffuse shadows thrown by the light bulb overhead, glare down at Quitely and Morrison as he mutters:

    "You got lucky."
  • HellionHellion .5 Beat Combat Joined: Posts: 888
    Frank Quitely

    Winner!

    Is it worth the buy?
    edit-not familiar with the All Stars but hey Supes is cool and I'd pitch money to start with but a word.
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  • goodm0urninggoodm0urning AWKWARD... BITCH Joined: Posts: 14,235
    Is it worth the buy?
    I'll put it this way: if every Superman comic in the world were about to go up in flames and only one series could be saved, All Star Superman would be an excellent candidate for preservation.

    In other words, yes. It is well worth buying. Superman hasn't been this good in decades.
  • HellionHellion .5 Beat Combat Joined: Posts: 888
    9 issues out already.
    Estimated total cost about $150-200 I suppose, depending on demand.
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    9 issues out already.
    Estimated total cost about $150-200 I suppose, depending on demand.
    Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year.
    The first six have been collected into a hardcover volume.
  • SanoSano SRKSANO on PS4 Joined: Posts: 12,997 mod
    Last issue was AWESOME!
    A big LOL to the Moon being broken and stappled together with bridges dang Morrison is crazy. :rofl:
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    Last issue was AWESOME!
    A big LOL to the Moon being broken and stappled together with bridges dang Morrison is crazy. :rofl:
    Yeah, that was cool. There's also a funny bit that took me a second to notice, when the guy hands the key to the Fortress to one of the Superman Robots, and the robot's arm breaks off.

    I liked it when Superman likened his reasons for not taking over the world to being a scientist like his father: he's there to observe and interact, not interfere. And the ending, when he wins over the two villains with his compassion and helps them out, was a nice twist for this kind of story.
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    Hold up! All-Star Superman #9 actually came out? And we're not all dead? The did it! They put the issues out! The comic system works!!!!!11
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    Hold up! All-Star Superman #9 actually came out? And we're not all dead? The did it! They put the issues out! The comic system works!!!!!11
    That's right. I look forward to issue 10, which should come out in March or so.
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    Not to take away from the discussion of the above series, even though I normally do (and still do) hate Superman, but I've a question to ask.

    Being spurred by this thread, I bought Lex Luthor: Man of Steel on Tuesday or Wednesday--I forgive since I've been relatively sick and working so damned much this week--and I just finished reading today. I did find Luthor's reasoning to be quite interesting, though I woudl have liked his more generic views on other superheroes as well.

    Anyway, there was on part that I don't understand.
    Why were Superman and Batman fighting in the first place? Because Luthor gave Wayne/Batman the Kryptonite? It seemed like a skipped a page or something, especially since it was skipping back and forth to the dinner meeting between the two of them and the "fight".

    Speaking of the former, what exactly did Bruce give Luthor? I don't remember it being mentioned again.
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    Why were Superman and Batman fighting in the first place? Because Luthor gave Wayne/Batman the Kryptonite? It seemed like a skipped a page or something, especially since it was skipping back and forth to the dinner meeting between the two of them and the "fight".
    Modern continuity. Superman and Batman have not gotten along famously a number of times. I believe we are led to assume this is one of those times. The details aren't important; it's one of those archetypal things.
    Speaking of the former, what exactly did Bruce give Luthor? I don't remember it being mentioned again.
    Same as above: though Bruce Wayne is loathe to do so, he has to maintain appearances, so he has done business with Luthor a few times to keep up his image as a wealthy industrialist.

    When you're given sequences that offer sparse information, just fill in the blanks yourself. It's not too hard when you have nearly 70 years of history to inform your imagination.
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    Goody, you go to MSU right? You shop at 21st Century? I know it's off topic, I'm just curious
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