Originally posted by Pez_Man
Oh, I think it was Mondo that said that he did a combo...
Anyway, I like pretty much all the EX games, but i could never do excels well. so I'm just hoping that combo people do excel vids and such, so I can get an idea of how they are "supposed" to be. lol I did get Pichus on the NA board and I like those, and I heard something about shinryuken.com having some. so I'll try that out.
Originally posted by Qandiso
Zangief is top tier because of his ability to cross up? How does that help him against Garuda, who has the best air defense in the game?
Garuda has the f+HK which means Zangief can't retaliate with a SPD or FAB when blocked.
In SFEX+a the air version of Garuda's qcbx2+P super could beat anything, so Garuda can jump in on Zangief. Garuda's other aerial special move should be able to hit Zangief as well.
And speaking of top tier, shouldn't Dhalsim, Akuma, Evil Ryu, and Bison be top tier? They can hit you once, then run away for the rest of the match.
He does not. His DP-type move is no better than the shotos' in stopping a cross-up. In fact,
it's even worse given it's recovery time. And wasting a super just to do anti-air is only a stop-gap, at best.
And, BTW, the best air defense in the game belongs to Gief, who's the only character capable of stopping a cross-up from Blair or another Gief.
It will certainly beat Gief... If the Gief player were, quite literally, sleeping on the controls. Hell, I've yet to see the damn thing hit anybody. And if you're talking about the Maboroshi (which only shin Garuda can use) it's almost useless against Gief, who isn't a combo character, therefore Gief can block it and SPD after with ease.
Dhalsim. E. Ryu, Akuma, and Bison can't run away from anybody due to the massive start-up and recovery, nor Garuda (Darun, Allen, Gief, and Hokuto can SPD him midteleport), unless you're talking about the shin versions of Akuma, Garuda and Bison, whose teleports are all invulnerable (except for shin Garuda, who can still be SPD'd midteleport) and cancellable to another teleport. Trying to include these guys in tiering would be like trying to include shin Akuma in ST tiers -- there's little point to it.
Qandiso: Raiga doesn't work as anti-crossup because it has no invincibility. You do the motion on wakeup, Gief splash hits you before you can get the blades out.
Originally posted by Qandiso
1) I was talking about the normal version of Garuda's counter. I don't remember the distance Garuda is at after it's blocked, but that makes sense.
2) Normal Garuda's mid-air kienbu(the super where he spins like a top) will beat out Dragon Punches, and it does more damage than Shin Garuda's version. What can Zangief do, to stop it?
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lmao had a dream yesterday that Captain America went black face to infiltrate Wakanda, Samuel Jackson broke character and was mad as hell, walked off set saying fuck you to everyone.
To not buy a game cause one character doesn't have a cross-up from EX1 is stupid.