Spider-Man, The Amazing Thread

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  • kane_warheadkane_warhead Blanka forever Joined: Posts: 1,532
    Hmmm. When did Spidey go up against the planet eater exactly? Try as I might, I just can't remember it. Though seeing as how Spidey has fought practically ever bad guy in the Marvel universe, I'm sure he's taken on one of the FF's greatest foes.

    That's one thing I love about Spidey, he's able to hold his own, take down, or survive in fights against mega powerful enemies or when he's outnumbered. Take Secret Wars #3 for instance. Spidey took on 6-7 memebers of the X-Men all at once. A lesser writer would have shown Spidey getting his stuff wrecked, but Jim Shooter knew how it should go down. Cyclops, Storm, Rogue, Nightcraler, Wolverine, Coloasus all ended up looking like scrubs when Spidey was all over the place. ALL SKILL, BABY!

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  • boxbox Joined: Posts: 1,611
    I think Mark Bagley is the best modern day Spider-Man artist. Characterization and storytelling is among the best in the business and the way he draws Peter Parker is just as good, if not better then the way he draws Spider-man.

    As for writers... I thought JMS had his share of ups and downs (more ups IMO). Gwen Stacy/Norman osborn love children, The Other were some of the things I'd like to forget. But the first Morlun arc, plus the arc where the New Avengers guest-starred was pretty good I found.
  • ZephyranthesZephyranthes Mad Mod Poet God Joined: Posts: 2,464 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    You wanted to see Aunt May Vs. Galactus?

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  • SanoSano SRKSANO on PS4 Joined: Posts: 13,062 mod
    Yeah whole lot of great Spider-Man artists so it's hard to decide who is the best. McFarlane back in the day (loved the huge eyes even though he has a strange definition of the term anatomy lol), John Romita Jr. and senior, Bagely, Arthur Adams drew a mean one back in the Longshot mini, Nuack, Weringo RIP and many more but I'll give it to Ditko by default since he created the character lol! His work had such a great look back then, don't think there will be another.

    One of the cool things about Ditko is he had no idea how kids dressed. No teenager has ever dressed the way he drew them, not then, not now, not ever. :rofl: This isn't a knock, it's one of the cool things about Ditko. :cool:

    He also had his own personal map of his version of New York city that he used for his comics, of course no one noticed this at the time lol! Ditko rules! :lovin:

    The way I like to see Spidey is with his eyes either McFarlane big or live action movie big, I hate him with small eyes. I'm also not a fan of the Larsen style where they make the eyes on his costume blink, squint and what not. I know it's creative license and doesn't happen, at least I think it doesn't really happen unless some of these artists are going by some unstable molecule theory.... I guess it's like the squiggly lines above his head when his Spider Sense tingles and every time Ditko showed Peter Parker's face to be Spider-Man, doesn't really happen and it is just an effect but still. There are other ways to express what he's feeling via body language and some of the best eye expressions happen when he tilts his head a certain way, the eyes are exaggerated a bit in some of those poses but I prefer that to him winking at somebody...

    I also love seeing Spider-Man those web wings under his arms, and the web sack he used to carry on his back! I guess the web wings are gone along with his web backpack, hmm I could do without the backpack but I still miss the wings... It bugged me with all of this Back in Black stuff how no one shaded the black suit blue like they did back in the old days, but ah well...

    Finished reading the first Spider-Man Annual. Didn't read it before because I only read a lot of Ditko's regular issues, never the Annuals. Wow that was great! Every time he turned a corner he ran into another Marvel super hero! I think that's what NY would really be like in the Marvel-verse. Way too many heroes for Spider-Man to be the only one to show up with the Green Goblin is attacking the city, it's like these heroes say "Hey that's one of Spidey's guys!" and go bowling or something. :rofl:

    Spider-Man also lost his powers because he doubted himself, just like the second movie. I though him losing his powers that way was just a movie thing, I never thought it happened in a comic before. :lovin:

    The story was with him taking on the first incarnation of the Sinister Six. Only thing that was goofy at the end was Sandman tossed in a jail cell with the others man you know he could get out at any time unless they put him in The Vault or something. It's like when I saw Darkwing Duck toss a net over the Liquidater to catch the villains I was like "OH COME ON..." :rofl: Though yeah still a classic, and there was a one page spread for every Spidey villain he fought! :tup:

    In the back of the Annual they explained a lot of Spider-Man's powers. Whoa didn't know he could turn his webbing into liquid! Then again he did do that in the first time in this Annual so I guess this is when they thought of it! And OG Spider-Man's sense was broken. He could use it to see in the dark by sensing his way around things. In newer stories when they gave him more powers, they gave him the power to see in the dark and later in Sensational I believe he busted out a flashlight! Ah you just gotta laugh... :lol:

    In last week's Spider-Man / Red Sonja, there was a two page spread where Spider-Man remembered stuff he experienced with Mary Jane. There was their wedding, the upside down kiss in the rain, hanging in the park on a giant web, driving away with MJ on his back on his electric scooter... Wait a minute except for the wedding everything else was from the first and third Spider-Man movies! :looney: Though yeah I guess hardcore Red Sonja fans would be more familiar with the movies... Fun crossover so far. This is the second time he's come across Red Sonja and the third time he's faced Kulan Garth since Marvel had the Red Sonja license before, so this one is less crossover-y than usual. :tup:
  • boxbox Joined: Posts: 1,611
    McFarlane's Spider-man was pretty good. I prefer a more clean-cut art style, but I have to say that I'm still impressed.

    However; McFarlane's Peter Parker was atrocious. He looked like Bilbo Baggins.
  • ReggieHadokenReggieHadoken Power Up Joined: Posts: 3,409 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    You wanted to see Aunt May Vs. Galactus?

    http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/aunt_may.jpg

    Our lives are not complete until we have read that comic.

    I actually ment Spidey vs. Galactus, but sure, why not? Linky no worky:sad:

    sano, you just now read, ASM Annual #1? Dang, son, I thought you'd read that ages ago. :rofl: Anyway, good stuff, man. IMO its one of the best Spidey stories out there. Frist time Spidey ever lost his powers and the first appearence of The Sinister Six. Oh and those splash pages were great. You should check out ASM Annual #2 if you haven't. What Spidey says to Dr. Strange when they part ways is freaking hilarious! The same line was even used in Spider-Man: The Animated Series when Dr. Strange guess stared on ep 1 of Season 3. :rofl:

    It shames me to admit this, but I've never read the ASM story Nothing Can Stop The Jurrgernaunt. I think it takes place in ASM #229-230. From what I've heard its a fantastic story of Spidey trying desperately to keep Juggy from getting to Madam Web. Gotta love those stories where Spidey fights villains that are sooooo high above his weight class. I think later in DeFalco's first ASM run Spidey kicked the crap outta Firelord. :rofl:
  • SanoSano SRKSANO on PS4 Joined: Posts: 13,062 mod
    Oh yeah I have the issue where he beat up Firelord, that's around the time I started collecting Spidey. Classic! :tup:
  • ZephyranthesZephyranthes Mad Mod Poet God Joined: Posts: 2,464 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    This should work. http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2007/03/18/aunt-may-vs-galactus/

    I just got around to reading Amazing #33. Pretty nice for a '60s comic. Guess it was pretty fresh when it came out.

    I remember I had this one Ren & Stimpy comic when I was a kid where Spidey and Powdered Toastman had a team-up. In that adventure, Spidey got trapped beneath a bunch of stuff, too, and had to summon up mental images of Uncle Ben, Aunt May, Mary Jane, his neighbors, and his mailman before he finally gathered the inner strength to lift the massive weight that was trapping him. I think that might've been my first exposure to the Amazing #33 phenomenon. It was either that Powdered Toastman team-up or that one issue of Amazing with the hologram on it (Spidey vs. Lizard).

    I also read that Juggernaut story from Amazing #s 229-230 fairly recently. Romita Jr. penciled that one, and it's nice to see how much his work has improved since those days. The story was only okay. Maybe after hearing all the hype about it, I expected it to cure cancer, but it was still entertaining. Roger Stern wrote that, so it's got that old-school feel to it, but it's still readable even though I didn't think the ending was very satisfying.

    It was still a heckuva lot better than that one Spidey/X-Force team-up crossover by McFarlane and Liefeld, though.
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  • kane_warheadkane_warhead Blanka forever Joined: Posts: 1,532
    I just got the whole Mary Jane loves Spider-man. It was great, funny thing on that teen drama.
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  • ReggieHadokenReggieHadoken Power Up Joined: Posts: 3,409 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    I just got the whole Mary Jane loves Spider-man. It was great, funny thing on that teen drama.

    That's something else I need to pick up. Sean McKeever is a great writer. Loved how he had Liz tell MJ when refering to Gwen "Wouldn't you like to dump her off a bridge?" :rofl:

    If you guys haven't picked up the up the up Spider-Family #1-3, I recommend picking up the Back In Black Digest. It has Spider-Family 1-3 with. The first two issues are written by Sean McKeever. Issue 2 has a very good Venom story where Brock isn't after Peter. Issue 3 is written by Paul Tobin. The story features Spidey with the Fantastic Four. It's a funny story that's reminscient of some of the early Lee/Ditko stories. The Back In Black Digest is only $8.99. Pick it up. This one's good.
  • thecarnalcorpsethecarnalcorpse ~Damaged Joined: Posts: 285
    I'm curious, did anyone enjoy Spider-Man : Reign? There was quite a bit of hype for it, and then it sort of died out. I thought it was a beautiful mini-series, Kaare Andrews did a wonderful job. Seeing Spider-Man in that Dark Knight Returns-esque story was quite a change of pace. Its probably one of the darkest, but most inspirational Spidey stories I've ever read. In fact, I'm not afraid to admit I got a little emotional while reading it. I thought the similiarities of the art to that in "The Dark Knight Returns" was a bit too much, but obviously, this was Andrews' homage to Frank Miller.
  • kane_warheadkane_warhead Blanka forever Joined: Posts: 1,532
    I'm curious, did anyone enjoy Spider-Man : Reign? There was quite a bit of hype for it, and then it sort of died out. I thought it was a beautiful mini-series, Kaare Andrews did a wonderful job. Seeing Spider-Man in that Dark Knight Returns-esque story was quite a change of pace. Its probably one of the darkest, but most inspirational Spidey stories I've ever read. In fact, I'm not afraid to admit I got a little emotional while reading it. I thought the similiarities of the art to that in "The Dark Knight Returns" was a bit too much, but obviously, this was Andrews' homage to Frank Miller.

    I enjoyed it alot
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  • ZephyranthesZephyranthes Mad Mod Poet God Joined: Posts: 2,464 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    I thought the first issue to Reign was one of the best single issues of Spider-Man I had read in a long time. The rest of it was still really good to me, but I think that first issue set the bar so high that there was no way I could reasonably expect the remaining issues to measure up. I'll probably reread it one of these days and see how it feels. Artwork was gorgeous, pacing was great. I think it hedges a little too closely to DKR in terms of conceit and tone, and in the end I didn't really see why Andrews worked so hard on maintaining that homage feel. That feeling worked great in issue one but I think the series as a whole could have been even better than it was if he drifted a little away from his most obvious reference point.
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  • SerpentSerpent Holy Phoenix Joined: Posts: 3,730 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Haha I always considered Hobgoblin Spidey's defining villain. People always claim it's someone like Venom but he really only spend maybe 4-10 issues combined being relevant, plus Maximum Carnage if you want to count that, but that's more of a Carnage vs Spidey/Venom thing. Meanwhile Hobby....spends something like 100 issues making Peter's life miserable and then follows him into the Wolverine crossover too!

    You can skip the first 100 or so ASMs. It's really old and it shows. I mean if you REALLY want to see one dimensional Lizard and Vulture by all means go for it, but I think you are better off skipping to around 150 or so and then reading until right before the Clone Saga, which everyone says to skip (and I managed to avoid).

    JMS...doesn't know how to write the characters. He has absolutely no grasp of MJ and May. I bet he was the driving force behind Civil War and having Peter's identity revealed, which I bet they still haven't resolved (I am behind a few issues now because I was disgusted). Back in Black probably ends with Spidey doing his usual copout "wait what am I doing this is wrong" act, so it's kind of a stupid angle to ever use. Maximum Carnage did that type of issue a lot better.

    Ultimate Spidey starts off okay but it really bogs down around the 90s. I don't think I like any of the Ultimate series comic books. There was some Iron Man one awhile back but I think it got discontinued. His wife divorces him and theres some new type of armor that you can just sort of paint onto yourself, but I think it makes you crazy or something. I dunno, they only wrote like 2 issues and they were like 4 months apart so I gave up on it. Maybe udon was writing it.
  • kane_warheadkane_warhead Blanka forever Joined: Posts: 1,532
    Haha I always considered Hobgoblin Spidey's defining villain. People always claim it's someone like Venom but he really only spend maybe 4-10 issues combined being relevant, plus Maximum Carnage if you want to count that, but that's more of a Carnage vs Spidey/Venom thing. Meanwhile Hobby....spends something like 100 issues making Peter's life miserable and then follows him into the Wolverine crossover too!

    You can skip the first 100 or so ASMs. It's really old and it shows. I mean if you REALLY want to see one dimensional Lizard and Vulture by all means go for it, but I think you are better off skipping to around 150 or so and then reading until right before the Clone Saga, which everyone says to skip (and I managed to avoid).

    JMS...doesn't know how to write the characters. He has absolutely no grasp of MJ and May. I bet he was the driving force behind Civil War and having Peter's identity revealed, which I bet they still haven't resolved (I am behind a few issues now because I was disgusted). Back in Black probably ends with Spidey doing his usual copout "wait what am I doing this is wrong" act, so it's kind of a stupid angle to ever use. Maximum Carnage did that type of issue a lot better.

    Ultimate Spidey starts off okay but it really bogs down around the 90s. I don't think I like any of the Ultimate series comic books. There was some Iron Man one awhile back but I think it got discontinued. His wife divorces him and theres some new type of armor that you can just sort of paint onto yourself, but I think it makes you crazy or something. I dunno, they only wrote like 2 issues and they were like 4 months apart so I gave up on it. Maybe udon was writing it.

    They already resolved Spidey's identity being exposed to the world.
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  • SerpentSerpent Holy Phoenix Joined: Posts: 3,730 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    They already resolved Spidey's identity being exposed to the world.

    How? Use a spoiler tag or PM it to me. Thanks.
  • kane_warheadkane_warhead Blanka forever Joined: Posts: 1,532
    How? Use a spoiler tag or PM it to me. Thanks.

    It happened during Avengers: The Initiative #7
    The Scarlet Spiders to thank Peter for helping them beat the vultures. Exposed themselves to the News that they are part of a government black ops of Spidermaen and Peter Parker was fired after the Civil War fiasco. They dressed as the red and blue spiderman, black spider man and Iron spiderman. They announced that after their announcement Peter Parker is no longer associated withe black ops and will no longer have powers.

    Peter thanked them for getting the media off his back and being privy about his secret identity again
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  • ReggieHadokenReggieHadoken Power Up Joined: Posts: 3,409 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    It happened during Avengers: The Initiative #7
    The Scarlet Spiders to thank Peter for helping them beat the vultures. Exposed themselves to the News that they are part of a government black ops of Spidermaen and Peter Parker was fired after the Civil War fiasco. They dressed as the red and blue spiderman, black spider man and Iron spiderman. They announced that after their announcement Peter Parker is no longer associated withe black ops and will no longer have powers.

    Peter thanked them for getting the media off his back and being privy about his secret identity again

    Huh, well that's interesting. Had a feeling Marvel wasn't gonna keep Spidey's ID out in the open. Does the super hero community at least still know his ID. Either way, this will satisfy a lot of fans that hated Spidey unmasking.

    MJ is one horny wife. Seems like Peter and MJ are always doing it like rabbits on the Discovery Channel. :rofl:
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    There was some Iron Man one awhile back but I think it got discontinued. His wife divorces him and theres some new type of armor that you can just sort of paint onto yourself, but I think it makes you crazy or something. I dunno, they only wrote like 2 issues and they were like 4 months apart so I gave up on it. Maybe udon was writing it.

    Ultimate Iron Man was a complete 5 issue miniseries and it available as a TRADE, BABY. Orson Scott Card wrote it. The next volume of the story is set to begin either next month or early next year, again written by Card.
    The Scarlet Spiders to thank Peter for helping them beat the vultures. Exposed themselves to the News that they are part of a government black ops of Spidermaen and Peter Parker was fired after the Civil War fiasco. They dressed as the red and blue spiderman, black spider man and Iron spiderman. They announced that after their announcement Peter Parker is no longer associated withe black ops and will no longer have powers.

    Peter thanked them for getting the media off his back and being privy about his secret identity again

    I'm gonna have to say, in my best

    That sounds like something DC would do. I guess it doesn't really matter, though. Looks like the whole thing will be resolved anyway in Spider-Man's own books.
    MJ is one horny wife. Seems like Peter and MJ are always doing it like rabbits on the Discovery Channel. :rofl:

    Yeah. My favorite was that time they did it on the ceiling in Aunt May's house. While Aunt May was in the room. Good thing old people have weak hearing skills.
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  • SerpentSerpent Holy Phoenix Joined: Posts: 3,730 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    That's dumb. How are they going to convince superheroes and supervillains that the story isn't just a fake? How did JJ react to it? I doubt kingpin buys it, last I saw he was busy trying to kill May and MJ.

    I don't think I need a spoiler for this but just in case.

    edit-actually I have no clue how to use the spoiler tags here, that's how it is on other mbs...oh well.
  • ReggieHadokenReggieHadoken Power Up Joined: Posts: 3,409 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Wait, Peter banged MJ on then ceiling in Aunt May's house? When was this? Was it during Howard Mackie's run on the relaunched ASM?
  • kane_warheadkane_warhead Blanka forever Joined: Posts: 1,532
    That's dumb. How are they going to convince superheroes and supervillains that the story isn't just a fake? How did JJ react to it? I doubt kingpin buys it, last I saw he was busy trying to kill May and MJ.
    JJ is confused. He doesn't even know what to believe anymore. The new Scarlet Spider group are totally black ops anyway. They showed that they can also assume civilian identities.
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    Wait, Peter banged MJ on then ceiling in Aunt May's house? When was this? Was it during Howard Mackie's run on the relaunched ASM?

    Yeah I wanna know too. Sounds like something from the '90s.
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    Reggie - You asked me before, I think in the Marvel thread but I'll just respond here. I finally got around to watching Spider-Man 2.1. Well I watched all of the Spidey movies back to back on Friday when I was in my turkey coma lol! Anyway, 2.1 rules! You won't be disapointed with the extended footage. One of the best if not the best superhero movies just got better! I'll put this in spoilers just in case.
    There's lots of bonus material in it, stuff that got cut from the final film due to time constraints most likely so a lot of the scenes are extended. One of the more important scenes is when Peter Parker is talking to the doctor. The line where Peter Parker tries to use his powers and says "Strong desire for what I want" makes a lot more sense now because it is something that came up in the conversation with the doc. There is also a scene where MJ's actress girlfriend talks to MJ about accepting the proposal to JJJ's son way too fast. The first Doc Ock fight scene is a little bit longer too. There's lots of other extended scenes like these in the movie.

    The best stuff has to be, remember that guy who got in the elevator with Spider-Man? The scene is entirely different, it's the same guy but the dialog isn't the same. It turns out he's a PR guy who wants to promote Spider-Man and sell merchandise based on him, he comes up with "Thwip" cologne. :rofl: He hands Spider-Man his business card and Spidey says "I don't have any pockets!" :rofl: Oh and the best part in all of 2.1 is there's a scene where JJJ puts on the Spidey outfit that he had in his office! He has the entire suit on without the mask and is jumping on tables pretending to shoot webs! Betty, Hoffman (Ted Raimi) and Robertson are all looking at him through his office window like WTF. Damn it's worth getting just for that scene! :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
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    I personally own 2.1, but it doesn't make a huge difference to me. The added/changed stuff is a mild curiosity, but if you already own the original version of 2, you might just rent 2.1.

    The new Hal Sparks scene is funny, but I found Jameson prancing around in the Spidey suit a little creepy. Like, if I were Spidey, I would probably just make a new costume after seeing that scene.
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    Wait, Peter banged MJ on then ceiling in Aunt May's house? When was this? Was it during Howard Mackie's run on the relaunched ASM?

    Sorry, dude. I just made that up to amuse myself. I don't think Spider-Man is allowed to have blatant sex. But who knows, maybe sano will write and illustrate a fanfic.
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    Sorry, dude. I just made that up to amuse myself. I don't think Spider-Man is allowed to have blatant sex. But who knows, maybe sano will write and illustrate a fanfic.

    Maybe if it's "The Other" Spider-Man and I get to use tentacles somehow. :badboy:
  • thecarnalcorpsethecarnalcorpse ~Damaged Joined: Posts: 285
    I think it hedges a little too closely to DKR in terms of conceit and tone, and in the end I didn't really see why Andrews worked so hard on maintaining that homage feel. That feeling worked great in issue one but I think the series as a whole could have been even better than it was if he drifted a little away from his most obvious reference point.

    I couldn't agree more.
    It happened during Avengers: The Initiative #7
    The Scarlet Spiders to thank Peter for helping them beat the vultures. Exposed themselves to the News that they are part of a government black ops of Spidermaen and Peter Parker was fired after the Civil War fiasco. They dressed as the red and blue spiderman, black spider man and Iron spiderman. They announced that after their announcement Peter Parker is no longer associated withe black ops and will no longer have powers.

    Peter thanked them for getting the media off his back and being privy about his secret identity again

    I had no idea about this, and I gotta say that's weak. With as much hype as Spidey's un-masking created, Marvel picked a pretty lame way to smooth it over. I know comics are constantly evolving...but, that's what, 40+ years of continuity radically undone and suddenly resolved in the span of a couple of months? Un-masking should mean something. Fucking 'nuff said. :/
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    I had no idea about this, and I gotta say that's weak. With as much hype as Spidey's un-masking created, Marvel picked a pretty lame way to smooth it over. I know comics are constantly evolving...but, that's what, 40+ years of continuity radically undone and suddenly resolved in the span of a couple of months? Un-masking should mean something. Fucking 'nuff said. :/

    Marvel probably realized they done 'effed up. They couldn't keep Spidey unmasked so they probably figured a quick bandaid fix, even a sucky one, would get the job done.

    One Spidey villain I want to see come back is Tombstone. Gerry Conway wrote a great 4-part story on in on his run with Spectacular Spider-Man. Robbie had evidence to put Tombstone away but he was so freaked by Tombstone that he wouldn't talk. And Tombstone killed A LOT of people. Robbie wouldn't say jack. And in Tombstone's mind, the reason he didn't kille Robbie (just broke his back), was because he felt he was his friend.

    This is something I've been wondering about: just who is Spidey's best friend in the super hero community? Is it The Human Torch or Daredevil? Seems like Spidey's kicked it more times with the Torch and DD, but DD knew who Peter was. Of course Spidey and Torch had this "usual place" they'd meet up at (Note: A No-Prize Award for the person who guesses Spidey & Torche's meeting place). Spidey and DD clashes on several occasions but not nearly as many times as Spidey clashed with the Torch.
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    ^ Human Torch more likely.
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  • ZephyranthesZephyranthes Mad Mod Poet God Joined: Posts: 2,464 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Marvel probably realized they done 'effed up. They couldn't keep Spidey unmasked so they probably figured a quick bandaid fix, even a sucky one, would get the job done.

    I don't think that Avengers has really resolved it - and by "resolve," I mean that the writers have closed the book on the entire issue of his public identity. I feel like that's something Slott tossed in to give readers a bigger sense of a connected universe. I think everything important that's happening to Spider-Man is taking place in his book.

    Logically, just 'cause those government ops dudes told the media a lie doesn't mean that the public believes them. People still believe Matt Murdock is Daredevil, so I'm sure there are still people in the Marvel Universe who still think Peter is Spidey.
    One Spidey villain I want to see come back is Tombstone.

    Y'know, this reminds me of Spider-Man's Tangled Web. It was only about 21 issues, but almost every single issue was PURE GOLD. Unfortunately, there was a shitty two-parter that featured Tombstone - the only blemish on an otherwise fine run of Spidey comics. Daniel Way wrote that Tombstone story, so no surprise there, I guess.

    But everyone's gotta track down the Tangled Web TPBs. Should be three or four of them. It's top tier creators taking turns to write Spidey stories. There's a rad Garth Ennis three parter, a Bruce Jones/Lee Weeks three parter, a Rucka/Risso issue, a Jim Mahfood issue, an Azzarello issue, a Paul Pope issue... They're all awesome. COOKE even did two giant-size issues.

    And Tangled Web is where Milligan and Fegredo did the "Flowers for Rhino" story, one of my all-time favorite Spidey stories. Crossing Flowers for Algernon with the Rhino makes for some surprising tragedy and comedy. Most Spidey stories seem to be about one or the other, but Flowers for Rhino hit all the spots.
    This is something I've been wondering about: just who is Spidey's best friend in the super hero community? Is it The Human Torch or Daredevil? Seems like Spidey's kicked it more times with the Torch and DD, but DD knew who Peter was. Of course Spidey and Torch had this "usual place" they'd meet up at (Note: A No-Prize Award for the person who guesses Spidey & Torche's meeting place). Spidey and DD clashes on several occasions but not nearly as many times as Spidey clashed with the Torch.

    I would also say Human Torch is Spidey's best superhero friend. Mostly because they are actually good friends. I think DD tolerates Peter more than he enjoys sharing a friendship with him. Matt can be a pretty arrogant person and I think he finds Peter's sense of humor and general sense of self-deprecation to be quite annoying.

    Like when Daredevil was going through the worst time of his life, he didn't turn to Peter. Even when Peter reached out to him, Matt basically just brushed him off and told him to bug off. I don't think Matt is really close to anybody other than Foggy and maybe Ben Urich.

    The Torch and Spidey hang out even when it's not a team-up. They both respect each other, even if I doubt they would ever admit out loud. They joke around with each other like pals and they've gone to each other for pep talks when they were in dire straits.

    Plus, they got that romantic special spot at the top of the Statue of Liberty, baby.
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  • ReggieHadokenReggieHadoken Power Up Joined: Posts: 3,409 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Zeph, you get the No-Prize for guessin Spidey & Torch's meeting place!! :rock:

    I read a single issue of Spider-Man's Tangled Web. It was a reprinted issue in the Spider-Man Movie TPB. Was about these two kids living in an apartment. The younger brother is watching TV, the older brother is watching his little bro. Electro knocks Spidey into their apartment. The kids stand up to Electro and almost get killed for it, but Spidey owns Electro. There's a cool bit at the end of how a hero does what he can, whether he wears spandex or not. Good stuff.

    I've heard about that Flowers for Rhino story. I guess I'll be picking up the Tangled Web trades to read it. Bummer about that Tombstone story. Why must they crap on a good villain like that?

    DD can be arrogant? I guess I haven't read enough DD to know. I've only read 10 issues of DD my whole life. Kevin Smith's Guardian Devil arc (vol. 2 of DD #1-8) and Bendis DD #35 and #41, I believe. I thought Spidey might be DD's best friend among super heroes but that could be Iron Fist. Like I said, I haven't read much DD. Seems like Spidey and Torch are closer buds. Kinda hard to imagine seeing as they were always at odds with each other back in the day. :rofl:
  • ZephyranthesZephyranthes Mad Mod Poet God Joined: Posts: 2,464 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Yeah, that Electro story in Tangled Web was by Kaare Andrews, the same guy who did Reign. It's pretty cool how different his art is on those two projects. I didn't even realize it was the same guy.

    DD is a loner who has a lot of pride. He isn't always an arrogant blowhard, but he has it in him to ignore people who are trying to look out for him. He's the type of guy who believes in himself and that his own way of doing things is right. If you think about it, he's basically got the perfect supervillain origin, except that for some reason he consciously chose to be a hero. That's one of the things that makes him so fascinating. Going all the way back to the Miller stuff, and up to the Bendis and Bru stuff, you can really get the sense sometimes that Matt is his own worst enemy.

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  • ZephyranthesZephyranthes Mad Mod Poet God Joined: Posts: 2,464 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    You know, about Tombstone, I just remembered that he showed up in the Brubaker/Lark Daredevil a couple months ago. Just another reason to start reading DD.
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  • ReggieHadokenReggieHadoken Power Up Joined: Posts: 3,409 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    You know, about Tombstone, I just remembered that he showed up in the Brubaker/Lark Daredevil a couple months ago. Just another reason to start reading DD.

    Well good thing someone brought him back. I love those hitman style villians.

    Oh and every Spidey fan should check out Spider-Man: The Icon. It's a huge $50 book that detail's Spidey's history and all things Spidey from toys, the movies, everything. LOTS of cool pictures to look at.

    Next Spidey trade I get will be Kraven's Last Hunt as I never did read the entire story arc.
  • thecarnalcorpsethecarnalcorpse ~Damaged Joined: Posts: 285
    Well good thing someone brought him back. I love those hitman style villians.

    Oh and every Spidey fan should check out Spider-Man: The Icon. It's a huge $50 book that detail's Spidey's history and all things Spidey from toys, the movies, everything. LOTS of cool pictures to look at.

    Next Spidey trade I get will be Kraven's Last Hunt as I never did read the entire story arc.

    You should definitely hit the Last Hunt, it's easily one of the best Spidey stories I've ever read. It's pretty simliar to Reign in that it has a greater sense of realism to it than most stories. However, where Reign has that depressing, gritty feel, Last Hunt is just fucking grim and disturbing.
  • SanoSano SRKSANO on PS4 Joined: Posts: 13,062 mod
    Kraven's Last Hunt is excellent. Who can forget the rat fighting against a spider while Spider-Man was fighting Vermin? That story was years ahead of its time.
  • SanoSano SRKSANO on PS4 Joined: Posts: 13,062 mod
    Spider-Man Icon book, you can check out some pages for free. ^_^

    http://www.spidermantheicon.com/see_inside.html

    Spider-Man's history too. Groovy! LOL I had that Spidey Secret Wars Toy with that Hologram Shield long ago, the black suit one was dope too. :tup:

    http://www.spidermantheicon.com/history.html
  • ReggieHadokenReggieHadoken Power Up Joined: Posts: 3,409 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Kraven's Last Hunt is one of the many reasons DeMatties is the man. I was thinking of making a list of must read Spider-Man stories to post here. Kraven's Last Hunt is definitly top tier material and so is The Death of Gwen Stacey. Another great story that always gets overshadowed due to Gwen's death is The Death of Captain Stacey. He dies in Amazing Spidey #90 as a result of saving a child from falling debre caused by Spidey's fight with Doc Ock. The kicker? Ock's tentacles go wild due to Spidey spraying them with a special web fluid that would cause the mad doctor to lose control of them. ASM #90 is one of my all-time fav Spidey comics due to the last few pannels at the end. Very, touching stuff. The arc starts in ASM #88.

    sano, good looking out on Spider Man: The Icon. :tup:
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    There was a second story concerning the fallout of The Last hunt, read it as a kid. It's probably not as awesome as I remember it being, but check it out for the scariest rendition of The Lizard ever, drawn by Todd Mcfarelane.

    Info here on the villian it featured. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calypso_%28comics%29
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