Spider-Man, The Amazing Thread

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  • SanoSano SRKSANO on PS4 Joined: Posts: 12,972 mod
    Great podcast interview with Dan Slott regarding the upcoming Spider-Island storyline!

    http://marvel.com/news/story/15994/download_the_amazing_spider-man_666_podcast
    He briefly mentions that the Spider-Man Big Time outfit is his favorite Spider-Man costume lol being biased of course ha ha! !t's the first to use green which Ditko reserved for Spider-Man villains. He also says he loves the fact that the suit is in Marvel vs. Capcom 3! :woot:
  • TizocTizoc Joined: Posts: 11,406
    OK I'm gonna ask a question that most of you might not like to discuss but...are they planning on reuniting MJ and Peter, also undoing that stupid magic retcon Mephisto did, any time in the next year or so?
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    No marriage since anyone with power at Marvel is still against the idea. The stupid retcon is going to remain in place.

    JQ hinted a long time ago that they would date again, but that was a long time ago (he's no longer EiC) and Carlie Cooper apparantly isn't going anywhere. Sigh... Given how unpopular Carlie is I can't imagine Pete and Carlie not splitting up or at the very least not remaining exclusive for long, but who knows.

    Seems like the Spider-Man / Ms. Marvel pairing was more popular, but Slott doesn't want Peter dating super heroines. He says it makes the normal life of Peter Parker, not so normal.

    Stephen Wacker on CBR recently said that there would be a lot of MJ in the comic soon. Hope for the best I guess.
  • TizocTizoc Joined: Posts: 11,406
    No marriage since anyone with power at Marvel is still against the idea. The stupid retcon is going to remain in place.
    Why is that though? As ridiculous as that retcon is, why not think up a more ridiculous story...just not as ridiculous as OMD (like say oh, Loki regaining his full memory, and upon visiting Mephisto he learns of what he did to Spidey and in repaying his favour undos the retcon, see CONTINUITY!)
    JQ hinted a long time ago that they would date again, but that was a long time ago (he's no longer EiC) and Carlie Cooper apparantly isn't going anywhere. Sigh... Given how unpopular Carlie is I can't imagine Pete and Carlie not splitting up or at the very least not remaining exclusive for long, but who knows.
    I wish I didn't dislike Carlie but...her being MJ's replacement just doesn't work for me =/
    Seems like the Spider-Man / Ms. Marvel pairing was more popular, but Slott doesn't want Peter dating super heroines. He says it makes the normal life of Peter Parker, not so normal.
    Eh I can live with advances from Black Cat on Spidey, but to me Peter and MJ was one of the best pairings in comics, just reading through JMS' run shows how great they are together.
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  • SanoSano SRKSANO on PS4 Joined: Posts: 12,972 mod
    Lol no offense bro but do we really need to go into why Marvel doesn't want Peter and MJ married again or why they won't unretcon the retcon right now? Join like any Spider-Man forum. I'd recommend CBR so Dan Slott and Stephen Wacker can throw reasons at you all day long. :rofl:

    If you'd like to see Spider-Man and Mary Jane married in a new comic, and her being pregnant too at that pick up Age of X Universe #1. Yeah it was only one issue, a short story that took place in the Age of X world but it was still nice to see.
  • THE_KZATHE_KZA ayy lmao Joined: Posts: 961
    didn't someone call out Slott not too long ago and he went crazy on them lol?
  • TizocTizoc Joined: Posts: 11,406
    Lol no offense bro but do we really need to go into why Marvel doesn't want Peter and MJ married again or why they won't unretcon the retcon right now?
    iF IT's gonna lead to a clusterfuck, then I'm fine not talking about ;P
    Join like any Spider-Man forum. I'd recommend CBR so Dan Slott and Stephen Wacker can throw reasons at you all day long. :rofl:
    Ooof, nah that won't be good for my self esteem =P
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  • SanoSano SRKSANO on PS4 Joined: Posts: 12,972 mod
    didn't someone call out Slott not too long ago and he went crazy on them lol?

    Someone said Slott wasn't a real Spider-Man fan. Slott said fuck you straight out. Slott was right for saying it, the guy who said it even apologized.

    Say what you want but that guy has a huge Spider-Man collection, owns every video game Spider-Man is in, a ton of toys and so on. Maybe he's not pro Spider-Man being married but to say he's not a fan of Spider-Man, you have GOT to be kidding me...
  • THE_KZATHE_KZA ayy lmao Joined: Posts: 961
    Someone said Slott wasn't a real Spider-Man fan. Slott said fuck you straight out. Slott was right for saying it, the guy who said it even apologized.

    Say what you want but that guy has a huge Spider-Man collection, owns every video game Spider-Man is in, a ton of toys and so on. Maybe he's not pro Spider-Man being married but to say he's not a fan of Spider-Man, you have GOT to be kidding me...

    Slott? I remember one of guy had a room just only Spider-Man stuff I think he was trying to enter a contest for SDCC last year. He had some crazy stuff there too.
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    Oh. Well, I like Carlie a lot. I know she's no replacement for MJ and all, but I still like her
  • RoninChaosRoninChaos Treading Paper Joined: Posts: 4,091 mod
    Well, I just read ultimate spider-man 160. Fuck you, Bendis. Fuck you.
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  • THE_KZATHE_KZA ayy lmao Joined: Posts: 961
    Oh. Well, I like Carlie a lot. I know she's no replacement for MJ and all, but I still like her

    would have preferred Ms. Marvel since they had a date and did mention it toward the end of the Spider-Man Siege one shot.
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    Ms. Marvel won't happen because Slott doesn't want Spider-Man dating a Super Heroine. He said it would make the normal life of Peter Parker out of costume, not so normal and would unbalance the book and the character.

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    616 Spidey's gonna be a virgin forever isn't he?
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    616 Spidey's gonna be a virgin forever isn't he?

    He's slept with Michelle, Black Cat and Carlie in the last two years so no.

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  • AYO?!AYO?! Strong Style Hips. Joined: Posts: 19,031
    He's slept with Michelle, Black Cat and Carlie in the last two years so no.

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    This brings up an interesting question: Would retcons or reboots erase cherry busting?
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    He lived with MJ for a bunch of years and mostly everything happened, except the marriage. Pretty sure they still shared the same bed, as couples who live each other do.

    I'm not reading OMIT to give you a clear answer on what those 'living together' years were like now, but I haven't heard anyone blame JQ for drawing two separate beds in the story... :wonder:

    Before even the marriage and everything his relationship with Black Cat was very physical. Images of the two in bed together were common.

    There's a bunch of years in ASM I haven't gotten around to reading, most of the '70s and early '80s so I can't comment much about that time period right now. Going through the entire series at a snail's pace. I'm up to where Gwen just left to Europe, so still on Lee and JRsr's run.

    During that Goblin kids debacle it was revealed that Spider-Man never slept with Gwen. Retconning Spider-Man Blue out of existence. HA HA Loeb. I have nothing against the two having sex or really care but anytime someone sticks it to Loeb, even unintentionally - :rofl:

    It's often debated that the first time he had sex was with Betty Brant, while she was married. That's what the author intended at the time but current Marvel denies it. Her husband Ned showed up at their apartment in the morning and was upset that Peter was with her all night. He found the two in the kitchen at the time. That's as close as you can get to suggesting an affair in the '70s.

    Current Marvel's stance is that he just spent the night consoling her. I'm really indifferent about this one and I think it's one of those few things that readers can decide for themselves. I can see from Marvel's standpoint how they wouldn't want to depict Spider-Man as a guy who would sleep with a married woman, even if it was his first love.
  • AYO?!AYO?! Strong Style Hips. Joined: Posts: 19,031
    Damn, Spidey is more of a player than I imagined. At least if he was taking it to Betty his spider-sense would warn him of an angry, pissed off husband coming to get him.
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  • AYO?!AYO?! Strong Style Hips. Joined: Posts: 19,031
    Not to double post, as an OG I dislike the notion but Sano is cool.

    Anywho making some headway into my Spider-Man grab bag. Picked up #657-#664 a few weeks back and just now digging into it, since I had to make myself get over reading it in order until I can easily find some back issues.

    So far it's okay, the FF and Spidey situation feels kind of awkward if you ask me, and seeing as the team is rather apathetic to him I find it a difficult event to read.

    At least it seems he is back in the red/blue in the next issue (#660?) so that is cool, I hope their relationship is better handled in the actual FF title. probably just me though, as usual.
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    It's not a double post if they're at least a day apart~
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    It's not a double post if they're at least a day apart~

    Oh really? Thanks for that 'Zoc.
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    Mind you it happens to me sometimes: I post in a thread, then a day or 2 later I come to post something and find my post is the last one in it.

    OK I know the 90s aren't Spidey's best years, but before JMS run were there any worthwhile stories or miniseries featuring Spidey?
    Also am I the only one who read Garth Ennis' Spiderman story in Web of Spiderman?
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    They really didn't do that many limited series' for Spidey back then because he always had 3 or 4 books running at the same time. If they wanted to tell a series styled story they'd just run it through all the books. Like they did for Kraven's Last Hunt or more recently The Other.

    Me I enjoyed Michelinie's run on ASM since that's what I grew up on. Nostalgia aside he had McFarlane and Larsen draw for him too. Even if you are not the biggest fan of their artwork it's still a pretty big deal for Spider-Man's legacy, and the industry a bit given how big those two have become.

    Michelinie had lots of editorial mandates that plagued him and did more harm than good (Maximum Carnage, making Venom a hero, Spidey's revived parents were all editorial, so was the marriage but I never found that to be a bad thing myself) but I guess almost everyone on ASM has, with the exception of current Slott it seems.

    Note that the '90s were a time where artwork was way more important than story. Still I can look back on most stories and still be entertained by them to this day, pretty much by taking it for what it is. A different time for a different audience.



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  • AYO?!AYO?! Strong Style Hips. Joined: Posts: 19,031
    Finished the run, waiting on the new issue.

    While for the most part I enjoy Slott's run, some old stand by problems are still there.

    Most glaring is once again Aunt May. I've come to conclusion the 110 year old woman wont die for some reason. But WHY is she always involved in the story? Like take 663 for example. She's at Mr. negative's crib handing out food and OH NOES! She has a Negative stroke to create cheap dilemma.

    Tizoc made a good point to me, it's basically girlfriend fridge syndrome. There was no point other than to get a cheap scare for spider-man, since he can't go a day without three things happening: aunt may almost dying, having a complicated issue with his current girl fling because of his dual identity, fighting a villain. Sub villain fighting with one to three pages of self doubt and you have the flow chart.

    Also while I love Mr. Negative and think he could have a great career as a threatening villain, all his stories stink, seriously. Put him in something good Marvel.

    Gig at me Sano, I'm all pumped full of spidey and his odd science lessons each issue. Also I blame you for everything, 'zoc doesn't understand why.
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    Gig at me Sano...

    Don't have much new Spidey info to add. Kind of tired of all the Spider-Island hype, just want it to start already. Ryan Stegman's ASM issue comes out this week. The pages I've seen online look really good.

    Looks like the musical is doing alright despite the horrible reviews. Which means tickets are still way too high. Not paying $60, which is the cheapest price you can pay to go. I can buy a video game for that price. Crazy. Broadway has deals sometimes so I'll try to keep an eye out.

    Mentioned this in the SF / Capcom thread a few weeks back, but in the first volume of the Phoenix Wright manga there was a spider fanatic who collected everything based on spiders. He even collects Spider-Man comics! :tup:
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    IMO Mr. Negative's concept would work great in a stand alone Vertigo/MAX like series.
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    Aww, I thought we could have squabbled over my issues lol.

    But yes road to Spider-Island is taking forever, not to mention I have no fucking idea why Jackal is doing all of this but hey whatever floats his boat.

    Any signs of Kraven returning soon? Grim Hunt was SO good, I thought he might pop up in Island actually.

    Edit to Tizoc: Yeah I could see him working well in the style, I thought his best story so far was his Shadowland tie-in mini series that focused more on him.
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    Goddamnit Sano what madness is this?!
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    What you never seen that before? Really?
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    I never really bothered with the Marvel team-up series before =P
    I was just lurking through a comic website when I saw that.
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    Goddamnit Sano what madness is this?!
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    I don't know if you are old enough to remember or if they gave those commercials where you live but there used to be a bunch of commercials where people would do anything for Hostess cupcakes (Twinkies in particular). In the story Galactus discovers his hunger is satisfied by a fake version of Hostess cupcakes (so Marvel can avoid a lawsuit) and Aunt May as his herald helps Galactus find them across the universe with Franklin tagging along. It was a gag story and turned out to be a dream of the writer anyway.

    Found this one at a convention for really cheap a few years ago. Really funny. :rofl:
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    ROFL, we didn't have such commercials over here, but that description is hilarious, making me want to read it XD
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    Yeah, now that I think of it, I think he was making fun of the comic book ads for Hostess cupcakes and not so much the TV commercials. They would have ads that featured characters like Spider-Man, Superman, Archie, things like that centered around Hostess cupcakes.
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    Yeah, now that I think of it, I think he was making fun of the comic book ads for Hostess cupcakes and not so much the TV commercials. They would have ads that featured characters like Spider-Man, Superman, Archie, things like that centered around Hostess cupcakes.

    And they were amazing.
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    Is it blasphemy to like the new ultimate spider man?
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    Hey everyone,

    I'm new to reading comics and I was wondering where to begin Spider-man in the current Marvel timeline. I would like to start from the beginning but don't know what is first saga for the series.
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    Ultimate spiderman is brand spanking new. No more recycled storylines.
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    Okay, I was also wonder about amazing spider man, since there are over 600 issues I don't know where the so called reboot begins everyone told me about?
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    Hey everyone,

    I'm new to reading comics and I was wondering where to begin Spider-man in the current Marvel timeline. I would like to start from the beginning but don't know what is first saga for the series.

    For 616 Spider-Man you are probably better off picking up this DVD-Rom, assuming your PC can play DVD-Roms (almost every computer can nowadays but make sure yours can. PS3s cannot play DVD-Roms FYI so if that's your default computer look elsewhere). It collects every Amazing Spider-Man issue from 1963 all the way to 2006 including annuals. Pricey but it will save you money in the long run.

    http://www.amazon.com/Amazing-Spider-Man-Complete-Comic-Collection/dp/B000HKIM7Q/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1329152283&sr=8-7

    If you want to start Ultimate Spider-Man you should get the Barnes & Noble book because it covers a lot of ground in one book. Go for a used version though so you don't pay $300 bucks though.

    http://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Spider-Man-Collection-Barnes-Noble/dp/0760761337/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1329152908&sr=8-2
    Okay, I was also wonder about amazing spider man, since there are over 600 issues I don't know where the so called reboot begins everyone told me about?

    If you mean Ultimate Spider-Man well that's Ultimate Spider-Man mentioned above.

    If you are talking about Brand New Day, where they got rid of Spider-Man's marriage... Lol you're not up that yet. You're lucky you don't have to worry about that for a looong time. :rofl:
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    Ends of the Earth is shaping up pretty well.

    Let's pool our intel on this Spider-Men business if we haven't already. I think people are all but sure that's Peter and Miles, and it's still not clear to me if this is a limited or an ongoing or what. What have you guys got?
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    What I thiiink Spider-Men will be about. This going to be long but I'll get there so just bear with me.

    Recently, Slott was asked if MJ and Peter Parker will date again. Slott said we will get what we want, but not in the way we want it.

    Remember Madame Web's prediction during Spider-Island that Spider-Man had to kill someone? It seemed like Kaine took the bullet for him by killing the Queen and the prophecy was fulfilled, but what if it hasn't been fulfilled yet and it's still something Peter has to do?

    Remember Spider-Man's mantra after Marla's death, 'Nobody dies.' He's been able to keep that so far.

    A solicit for a future Ends of the Earth story is already suggesting that Spider-Man may have to kill someone to save the world. So what if Spider-Man has no choice but to kill Doctor Octopus?

    Oh and of course Doc Ock really won't die because it's a Marvel comic lol but Spidey (and perhaps the audience) will think he killed him for a time. Or Doc will just come back to life at some point but moving on.

    Killing would make Spider-Man hang up the suit thus removing the obstacle between himself and MJ. So they'll date again. And us fans get what we want, but not the way we want it IE Pete will date MJ but he won't be Spidey.

    So the 'Spider-Men' will be the people that take Spider-Man's place after he quits.

    It probably will involve an Ultimate crossover like people think. Maybe Morales will give Pete the kick in the pants he needs to get back to work? Or maybe Ultimate Pete will return to kick 616 Pete in the pants? This part is still too far away to guess about.

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    I'm hoping they won't crossover with Ultimate, though I'm afraid that seems the most likely. (Mainly because the guys in the promo look super scrawny and the people writing this thing are Ultimate people.) Marvel's never one to pass on a terrible idea.

    What would make the most sense would be for it to be Kaine; at the moment Peter and Kaine are the only two legit spider men on their planet, Kaine's comic needs the boost, and you'd have two spider guys who'd probably have pretty good chemistry without having to do any lame universe mashing. On the other hand, I'm told Miles' comic isn't flying off the shelves either. Maybe it'll be all three of them. Or maybe it'll be Ben or Miguel. If it was Ben I don't know if I'd be hype or mad.

    As for Peter and MJ dating, it's inevitable that they'll get back together and everything; hopefully the circumstances won't be as dumb as the BND retcon business. Nobody seriously thought Carlie/y was going to last. I think (hope) by now after the eight billionth time that Peter's gone emo and hung up the costume he's past that. Who wants to read about him doing that again? That's why when Marla died he didn't throw a Tobey Macguire hissy fit, he got in the lab, got new tech, went in and bodied everybody.

    Has it still not been confirmed that this is a limited?
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    So it's Miles in Spider-Men. 5-issue limited.

    I'm resigned to the dumbness. I'll buy it.
  • SanoSano SRKSANO on PS4 Joined: Posts: 12,972 mod
    I have like no interest in reading an Ultimate / 616 crossover. Good for Miles to get exposure like that though.

    I might check it if ASM leads into it I guess.

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  • SanoSano SRKSANO on PS4 Joined: Posts: 12,972 mod
    Remember when JQ said if they ever crossed over the 616 and Ultimate universes they would officially be out of ideas? Lol for what it's worth JQ retweeted this.

    http://www.newsarama.com/comics/spider-men-joe-quesada.html

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