To critique or not to critique

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  • KandokenKandoken Ukettetato! Joined: Posts: 677
    I know this thread's pretty old an' all.... but all I hafta say is, I've been through that kinda shit before. Hell, the ONLY reason why I posted in this thread is to get better, and see wide varieties of different styles! I mean, I worked really really hard to get where I am at the age of 17, and that was due to constant studying of animes and realism, but MOSTLY the criticism of others. I know it really sucks an' all, but whoever gets offended by comments/opinions to their art, maybe means that you KNOW they're right and you refuse to accept it, or you just can't accept the fact that you might have a flaw. Would it make it better if you led them to believe' it's the best thing since sliced bread', that'll make it worse. At least you're telling the truth. I'm not sayin you should say it's TERRIBLE, just needs work. No one's perfect! If you really can't take it though, I'll respect that as a person, but you shouldn't mind the crits, anyway... it's not truth, it's opinion. I mean, isn't beauty is in the eye of the beholder?
    OK, crits shouldn't be ridiculed for having an opinion, we ALL have those. It's just more on what the artist thinks of themselves. So just leave the Crits alone, cuz we ALL are crits one way or another.

    (-_-)
    ~Kandoken~
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    You just have to consider where you're at. Now, if someone here asks for a crit, good. Otherwise, I'm sure a lot of us do this in spare time and don't intend to make a living off it. So the fanart is for the sake of fun, not a higher level of artistic discussion =p

    Now, somewhere like www.theispot.com is a place for pro and aspiring illustrators. If you promote something there, expect a crit, asked for or not.
  • BengusBengus (べんがす) Joined: Posts: 76
    Originally posted by phil sifu
    i dont know...

    in my opinion.... im thinkin that maybe they shouldnt take it to "heart"...... so what if someone says that your art is shit...
    big deal..... its only someone elses opinion.... i draw for myself and no one else.... and there arent any "MASTER ARTISTS" here at these forums.... nobody has been crowned "KING ARTIST"
    all of us are still on the same road of learning..... some are just further ahead than others .... but we have all been there... everyone of us... there is not one single person here who can say that..."oh when i was 8 years old i just picked up a pencil and sketched out the whole cast of streetfighter zero perfectly...and thats how i started drawing....."
    weve all made mistakes......

    :) "MASTER ARTIST"
    "Tell me what you tweet, and I'll tell you who you are." - Bengus-Savarin
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    LoL, wow I wrote that a year ago, and I still follow by it. I've gotten better, and my photoshop skills are very impressive now. I'm in college now too! Not art college unfortunately, but I'll be makin monnnnney when I get my computer engineering degree, and I'll have enough free time to work on my art more. I'm still open to do Avatars if anyone ever wants one, just dont be too specific on what you want, cause I dont like filling requests for picky people.
    -Chu

    Oh yah, I also learned how to use flash, check out some of my work so far:
    http://members.fortunecity.com/cthulhuluke/main2.html
    http://members.fortunecity.com/cthulhuluke/pguy.html
    http://members.fortunecity.com/cthulhuluke/circle2.html
    http://www.geocities.com/oni_otaku/intro.html
    http://www.mamestation.tk *I just did the intro*
    currently I'm working on this one guys page
    http://www.geocities.com/cthulhuluke/temp/index.html

    I'm not currently taking flash requests unless I get something in exchange, and I can currently be easily pursuaded if someone's willing to get me 10 competition pushbuttons from www.happcontrols.com I'll make you a damn nice page thats for sure.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Having worked five years in animation, I can say it's safe to say that an informed critic is a great help.

    Someone who's been it it longer or has a good eye will help you improve. I have a friend who's worked in animation for 15 years.

    What he says is often- the truth.:D
  • Rhio2kRhio2k Senior Member Joined: Posts: 11,510 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    I understand that there's critiqueing, and then there's downright trash-talking...speaking of which, who is this Sweet guy? People aren't even asking for opinions, they're just posting stuff, and he bashes the hell out of them. That kinda crap could lead to us amateur artists, and even some good ones not posting their art for fear of it not being "Good Enough"...
    Roger: Well, Anita's pregnant, and-
    Cruella: Well, what can I say? Accidents will happen.
    Roger: We're having puppies, too.
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Funny, people just asked liked ****s to me.
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    i don't know if you guys are reading my chun li thread, but it's gone past critique there - wombat is accusing me of stealing the art. i won't go into details and i'll be closing the thread soon (i just want him to read the last post there for closure) but i hope he learns his mistake. i don't expect an apology, and i'm sure as hell not going to post anything else up on these boards having to do with my sketches. it's not worth the grief some of these posters give the fanartists - constructive criticism is one thing, but posting crap up that makes the guy not want to share anymore defeats the purpose of these threads imho.
  • white shadowwhite shadow WHAT'S MY NAME NYUKAH?!!! Joined: Posts: 13,625 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    BTW, how do you put a pic on your computer on here? I've tried several times but it never seems to transfer and I REALLY want to see how my art fairs against you guys. (I'm no Da Vinci:p ) I draw with pen pencils and the mouse.:)
    It could be Esther Baxter vs. Pat Morita in drag and half of this board would be like "black chicks don't really turn me on sooo..." - Randomnigga

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  • EphidelEphidel Old Man SRK Joined: Posts: 14,908 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Originally posted by akumachan



    READ THAT POST PEOPLE.

    THAT IS THE ART GALLERY BIBLE.


    1. This is NOT art school. NOR is this critique class. This is a FAN ART Gallery. For fans. Not only for professional artists. EVERYONE IS WELCOME. and EVERYONE should be able to post art without fear of bashing.

    2. People post their art here for FUN.

    3. harsh critique should not be delivered unless asked for. (of course constructive comments are ALWAYS welcome

    4. NOT EVERYONE wants to be a professional artist one day. 90% of you just draw for fun.

    5. a PERSON drew the picture you are about to bash. And that person put a lot of effort into their work. That person also has FEELINGS.

    6. Remember the old saying.... "If you can't say something nice, don't say a goddamn thing at ALL" so have some damn common courtesy.

    7. Art bashing is a pet peeve of mine. I am very unforgiving when I see senseless bashing.



    anyway, now that i have more time on my hands I WILL be enforcing the critiquing rules. Yes you can critique, but use common sense. and remember the best thing you can do for a beginning artist is to ENCOURAGE THEM. This doesnt mean you cannot point out their faults, but be ENCOURAGING. I understand that constructive criticism is imperative for artists to get better, but use your GOOD judgment about how that critique should be worded.

    It is true in this world that some of us never use common sense a-chan, but your right about everything, encouraging a beginning artist is what makes the Fan Art Gallery fun. We all started low at some standard, and work or way up to talented drawers. I hope everyone can realize that....
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    one more thing. i would like to post some of my art so all you good people can tell me what im doin wrong, so i can fix it. do i need to scan it and save it or somthin like that? what i need do?
    p.s. sorry for the newbish question. you probly get it all the freakin time.:sweat:
    donkey
  • HanzouHanzou Genius of Fisticuffs Joined: Posts: 299
    If you want to learn hands, grab an anatomy book. You should be able to find something like that at your local library.

    As for critiques, I appreciate harsh ones. I even don't mind Sweet's abrasive methods. The thing about Sweet is that he hardly ever posts his own work on these boards, and the stuff I saw wasn't mind-blowing (though it was good). If SFMC gave me criticism, I'd take it more seriously than I would from Sweet, since SFMC posts a lot of his work and its always excellent.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    nifty. thanks
  • white shadowwhite shadow WHAT'S MY NAME NYUKAH?!!! Joined: Posts: 13,625 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Originally posted by white shadow
    BTW, how do you put a pic on your computer on here? I've tried several times but it never seems to transfer and I REALLY want to see how my art fairs against you guys. (I'm no Da Vinci:p ) I draw with pen pencils and the mouse.:)

    :p
    It could be Esther Baxter vs. Pat Morita in drag and half of this board would be like "black chicks don't really turn me on sooo..." - Randomnigga

    " Is Wayne Brady gonna have to choke a bitch?!!!"- Wayne Brady from Chappelle's Show. LOL!!!
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    I'm typing this all over again, from scratch. Damn computer.X_X

    I'm not qouting because there's too much to qoute.

    I agree with everything said by a-chan. My viewpoints, some anyway, you don't want me to type them all, are as follows:

    Fan art galleries are there to post your art and show it to other people. There's no reason to critique unless someone asks for it. I think a critique without constructive criticism can't even be called a critique. What's the point of even commenting if you're not going to give suggestions or a reference, something positive? No one wants to hear "Your art sucks." Don't point out every little flaw in someone's work, it hurts, even for those people who are all "I feel no emotions. Words do not effect me." it does, they just don't show it.

    EVERYONE started out "sub-standard" which is really basing their artwork off the majority's, which is the same as basing it off of one person's, making the words "sub-standard" and "average" really annoying and are just really worthless words in the English langauge, so limited... I don't compare myself to "average" art, I compare myself to what my goal is. Critiques are there to help me reach that goal, but they can still hurt, if said harshly. Watch what you say. It shouldn't matter wether somone is good or bad, it's art, enjoy it, they're putting it up because they want to. I started out crappy, Vango started out crappy, O' Keffe, all the manga artists. There's no reason to bash someone's artwork. No one deserves that.

    Another thing. People, grow up. You'd think that anyone above the age of 13, 15 and ESPECIALLY 18, would have the decency, the understanding of human emotions/ understanding of the consequences and common sense, which I know is hard to tap into for some people, to stop saying, "Oh, he did this." "Hey, she did that." There's no reason to put it on the boards. There's a PM system for a damn reason. Resolve your issues with people off the boards. Besides, these attacks and low blows just make you look like an idiot. It doesn't make the person you're attacking look worse, it makes you look worse. I, and I'm sure most others, though I don't speak for them, don't care what happened in the past. It's the past. (Obviously, this doesn't apply to repeat offenders, such as a serial killer, or those who have done horrible things.) Leave it alone, leave the person alone. No one wants to hear about it. I see it to every damn board I go to, except for a group of them where a group of people circulate through them and are mature, which is hard to find. Just stop the flames already. I don't care, and my bet is that no one else does either.


    I thank you very much if you've taken the time to read this post, as it has been long.^_^

    Any flames you may have can be directed at me by e-mail at: dragonflame327@yahoo.com

    Do be aware that all flames will be read, laughed at, and then deleted.^_^

    -DF

    PS- Society sucks. I know you agree. :p
  • EphidelEphidel Old Man SRK Joined: Posts: 14,908 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Originally posted by dragonflame327

    PS- Society sucks. I know you agree. :p [/B]


    Yes I do..............:evil:
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    Steam: Ephidel

  • akumachanakumachan The haters have arrived Joined: Posts: 435 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    wow, this thread kept going and going and going. :eek:

    Good to see people were actually reading it and understanding.

    its been a while, but eventually I'll start posting some stuff again. I miss drawing fan art.
    I love a guy with a HUGE vocabulary.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    bump
  • aerialgrooveaerialgroove Joined: Posts: 1,300
    Originally posted by phil sifu
    .... and there arent any "MASTER ARTISTS" here at these forums.... nobody has been crowned "KING ARTIST"
    all of us are still on the same road of learning..... some are just further ahead than others .... but we have all been there... everyone of us... there is not one single person here who can say that..."oh when i was 8 years old i just picked up a pencil and sketched out the whole cast of streetfighter zero perfectly...and thats how i started drawing....."
    weve all made mistakes......
    look at Akiman's old drawings of Street Fighter, they don't look that good at all. And over the years he got way better, you just have to keep on drawing.
  • Dreaded FistDreaded Fist Joined: Posts: 1,920
    Originally posted by BloodUrien
    bump

    This is late, but why did you bump a stickied thread?

    I dont know about you guys but a man has came along that goes by the name of SFMC who has revolutionize the way we critique. He paint/draw over the picture to show mistakes and then post smiley faces to show that he's good natured.
    www.phongworks.com
  • crazydiamondcrazydiamond Joined: Posts: 565
    Originally posted by aerialgroove

    look at Akiman's old drawings of Street Fighter, they don't look that good at all. And over the years he got way better, you just have to keep on drawing.

    I used to think Akiman's old drawings weren't good, but now that my eye is finer tuned I think his old drawings are AMAZING.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    grrr.... Goikigirl... you... and your sister... you've made me develop a very ugly style of criticising people.

    Here's my story:

    Back on f.net every time I wrote some remarks about Goukigirl's or her sister's art I was replied with constant flaming. I kinda got friendly with her sister, but Goikigirl declared IN PUBLIC that she and her sister PURLY HATE me.

    Since then I pretty much compliment an artist for every tiny good thing in their drawing while criticising their art. That's even if the drawing is completely horrid.

    I'd use SFMC's method, but I really don't think I'd run Open Canvas or PSP every time I want to comment a drawing.
  • D.ZD.Z Joined: Posts: 11
    umm...where are the pictures in this tread? i'd like to see some art from the any of the people mentioned thru out the entire agruement. links anyone? links?
  • Ryu Shinnosuke'Ryu Shinnosuke' hAZ|Holy Order Troll Joined: Posts: 205
    grrr.... Goikigirl... you... and your sister... you've made me develop a very ugly style of criticising people.
    What?? :confused:

    I'm not trying to stir up anything, but for as long as i can remember, you were criticising artwork from the beginning. A lot of it wasn't really bad-bad, just bad enough for some people to take the wrong way. You probably weren't aware that you were offending people, so i'll give you the benifit of doubt.
    Here's my story:

    Back on f.net every time I wrote some remarks about Goukigirl's or her sister's art I was replied with constant flaming. I kinda got friendly with her sister, but Goikigirl declared IN PUBLIC that she and her sister PURLY HATE me.


    Umm...You're wrong..We were never known for flame others; especially when it came to artwork. Uhhh, if you consider defending yourself or your drawings as flaming, then maybe we did "flame" you :confused: I always thought that flaming was being a hater, though :xeye:

    Our artwork has been trashed talked 100s of times by lots of people, but it was embarrassing more than anything else. When we did get mad, it was because random trolls dissed it just to do it(Even if they didn't even draw or drew very awful). And if it weren't for those people who bashed it & gave us tips(Not the trolls, but the other people), we would not have gotten much better, IMO. I agree, we did get mad at you a few times, mainly because you were always pointing out bad things about our's & other's artwork, while your's wasn't too great, either(No offense, i'm sure you're a GREAT artist now). You didn't really give out tips or compliments,
    either :confused:And we certainly never said we hated you :sad: Remember when i PMed you, trying to be your friend because we had a lot in common(My sis was cool with you, too because we learned how to understand you and we loved your sprite rips)? We started e-mailing eachother very often, but we lost contact after something very big happened in 2003, which shattered me & my family's lives...Life hasn't been too good this year, too...I'm wasting away and can't do a darn thing about it. But oh well...I'm more for defending other's than myself.
    Since then I pretty much compliment an artist for every tiny good thing in their drawing while criticising their art. That's even if the drawing is completely horrid.

    That's okay, but i think it's best to point out an equal amount of good & bad things(Not harsh), just my opinion, BTW:smile:
    I'd use SFMC's method, but I really don't think I'd run Open Canvas or PSP every time I want to comment a drawing.
    Well, i'm just trying to tell you that things weren't like how you thought they were... We never hated you or anyone else, so i can't see how you could say such a thing...We never lie to cover up crap, because that's just plain pathetic and IMO, lies only causes more throuble. I'm not saying you're a bad person or anything, either... I know you're good, we just all make/made mistakes. Anyway, peace:smile:

    P.S. PM me if you want to say more about this subject.
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    grrr.... Goikigirl... you... and your sister... you've made me develop a very ugly style of criticising people.

    1. You(or atleast on F.net you do) criticise harshly/nitpick just if something was not perfect..! If memory serves me right, You attacked my Gouken's daughter drawing just because you didn't like the colors and you said you like 'Real'/Canon character of the SF storyline. You also said some guy's Cammy drawing looked nothing like her because she looked 'Too Cute' for you and you posted an Official CAPCOM drawing of Cammy just to prove him wrong plus said: "Does that look anything like her?"(insulting the guy's drawing)... Pathetic..!
    Do not insult us while trying to protect yourself..!
    Here's my story:

    Back on f.net every time I wrote some remarks about Goukigirl's or her sister's art I was replied with constant flaming. I kinda got friendly with her sister, but Goikigirl declared IN PUBLIC that she and her sister PURLY HATE me.

    2. We do not flame people for criticing our art and I do not remember EVER stating that i or my sister hated you, it seemed more of a good Friendship to me...
    If we ever said we dislike you it was probably your rudeness(check above)...
    Since then I pretty much compliment an artist for every tiny good thing in their drawing while criticising their art. That's even if the drawing is completely horrid.

    3. WOW! You sure must have changed since f.net then!
    Ahh yes, and why mention something 2 Years ago?
    To stir up crap? Definitely..! :lame: :tdown:


    P.S. This was not a flame.
  • Dreaded FistDreaded Fist Joined: Posts: 1,920
    OWNED!!! seriously, lets just post and take critiques. OFten I too get offended when my brother, SFMC, paint over my pictures w/o ever me asking him to do so. I spend 2 hours in photoshop and he just spend 10 minutes on a paint-over and it come out looking 10x better.











    ....nah, we cool.
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  • rookrook amused observer Joined: Posts: 1,633 mod
    RS' & GoukiGirl... I'm cool with you gals but damn that's 2 long responses to an old post. If this goes further (ie; if Brain Digger shows up & the conversation gets heated) I'm gonna ask that you guys move this to PMs (or e-mail/AIM/MSN/etc).


    Personally I feel that crits should be constructive - don't shit on someone's work, they put time and effort into it. Pointing out areas for improvement is fine; dropping in a 2 word post "that sucks" is not... I fail to see the benefit of such a post; there's nothing sensible to discuss or defend.

    Usually ppl on this board don't give very harsh critiques, so you may have to explicitly ASK for it. More often than not you'll get by with a "that's cool" or something like that.
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    rook wrote:
    RS' & GoukiGirl... I'm cool with you gals but damn that's 2 long responses to an old post. If this goes further (ie; if Brain Digger shows up & the conversation gets heated) I'm gonna ask that you guys move this to PMs (or e-mail/AIM/MSN/etc).


    Personally I feel that crits should be constructive - don't shit on someone's work, they put time and effort into it. Pointing out areas for improvement is fine; dropping in a 2 word post "that sucks" is not... I fail to see the benefit of such a post; there's nothing sensible to discuss or defend.

    Usually ppl on this board don't give very harsh critiques, so you may have to explicitly ASK for it. More often than not you'll get by with a "that's cool" or something like that.


    Don't worry, i won't reply to him if he comes back because i don't want this thread to get ruined/closed.

    Peace out to one of my fave fan artist!
  • KandokenKandoken Ukettetato! Joined: Posts: 677
    Izzis still about Sweet? Where's he bin at? Was he banned? I miss'im.
    >/c( /.')>: BRING THE GRAPE!
  • rookrook amused observer Joined: Posts: 1,633 mod
    Kandoken wrote:
    Izzis still about Sweet? Where's he bin at? Was he banned? I miss'im.
    This thread existed way before Sweet posted on this board. There were... others before him.

    I have no idea on where he is, though. AFAIK he's not banned, and his last post was on 25 Oct 2004.
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  • BengusBengus (べんがす) Joined: Posts: 76
    I used to think Akiman's old drawings weren't good, but now that my eye is finer tuned I think his old drawings are AMAZING.

    :smile: Akiman ?Capcom ???????????????????? Shoei ????! ????????!
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  • kurokumakurokuma Tengoku O Misete Yaru!!! Joined: Posts: 88
    one thing i have always felt was pretty retarded is when something is created that is not supposed to be real, and critics start to bash that item for its unrealistic look, style, or details. anyone els think this is just plain stupid?

    if you see a pic of and alien monster shooting a fire ball from his hands, there is nothing you can tell me about the size of his head compared to his body! there are no aliens like him that you can base the complaint off of.

    if you see a drawing of blanka doing his electric shock attack you cannot tell me that his muscles are wrong, you know why? because even if the muscles don't exist in the real world neither dose a big fuckin green mutated amazon monster man who can create electricity outta thin air!

    theres no fact that anyone can say about morrigan isn't she a succubus who can take souls and change dimensions? all you can do is compare her to the original, and even then you got nothing to say that is fact really because maybe the artist is trying to show the character in his or her own style.

    anyway i don't mind if people say "hey man, I'm not down with the big body little head that your alien dude is sportin" its a hell of a lot better than "aw man common! everyone knows that aliens bodies are 7 heads tall just like the great roman artist said!"

    as far as I'm concerned art has no rules, none of it. the only time art has a rule is when you need to imitate another persons style EXACTLY. thats just my opinion but if there where rules in art we wouldn't have even half of the cool things that we do in our everyday lives.

    anyway just my opinion. of course everyone has the right not to like something in any kind of art. but fantasy is fantasy because it is not REAL and thats pretty much my point.
    The worst enemy of the street fighter community IS the Street Fighter Community.
  • kurokumakurokuma Tengoku O Misete Yaru!!! Joined: Posts: 88
    I'm typing this all over again, from scratch. Damn computer.X_X

    I'm not qouting because there's too much to qoute.

    I agree with everything said by a-chan. My viewpoints, some anyway, you don't want me to type them all, are as follows:

    Fan art galleries are there to post your art and show it to other people. There's no reason to critique unless someone asks for it. I think a critique without constructive criticism can't even be called a critique. What's the point of even commenting if you're not going to give suggestions or a reference, something positive? No one wants to hear "Your art sucks." Don't point out every little flaw in someone's work, it hurts, even for those people who are all "I feel no emotions. Words do not effect me." it does, they just don't show it.

    EVERYONE started out "sub-standard" which is really basing their artwork off the majority's, which is the same as basing it off of one person's, making the words "sub-standard" and "average" really annoying and are just really worthless words in the English langauge, so limited... I don't compare myself to "average" art, I compare myself to what my goal is. Critiques are there to help me reach that goal, but they can still hurt, if said harshly. Watch what you say. It shouldn't matter wether somone is good or bad, it's art, enjoy it, they're putting it up because they want to. I started out crappy, Vango started out crappy, O' Keffe, all the manga artists. There's no reason to bash someone's artwork. No one deserves that.

    Another thing. People, grow up. You'd think that anyone above the age of 13, 15 and ESPECIALLY 18, would have the decency, the understanding of human emotions/ understanding of the consequences and common sense, which I know is hard to tap into for some people, to stop saying, "Oh, he did this." "Hey, she did that." There's no reason to put it on the boards. There's a PM system for a damn reason. Resolve your issues with people off the boards. Besides, these attacks and low blows just make you look like an idiot. It doesn't make the person you're attacking look worse, it makes you look worse. I, and I'm sure most others, though I don't speak for them, don't care what happened in the past. It's the past. (Obviously, this doesn't apply to repeat offenders, such as a serial killer, or those who have done horrible things.) Leave it alone, leave the person alone. No one wants to hear about it. I see it to every damn board I go to, except for a group of them where a group of people circulate through them and are mature, which is hard to find. Just stop the flames already. I don't care, and my bet is that no one else does either.


    I thank you very much if you've taken the time to read this post, as it has been long.^_^

    Any flames you may have can be directed at me by e-mail at: dragonflame327@yahoo.com

    Do be aware that all flames will be read, laughed at, and then deleted.^_^

    -DF

    PS- Society sucks. I know you agree. :p

    not to mention that whatever harsh critics think is a flaw in someones art is THEIR opinion and NOT fact.
    The worst enemy of the street fighter community IS the Street Fighter Community.
  • Bob SagatBob Sagat Akuma Thurman Joined: Posts: 1,547
    not to mention that whatever harsh critics think is a flaw in someones art is THEIR opinion and NOT fact.

    Generally yes, opinions are never facts. I don't know what kind of criticism you've been getting, but if you've drawn the muscles on Blanka wrong, someone points it out and you just use the "he doesn't exist in real life" argument, then you're just taking the easy way out, imo.
    You could also take someone's criticism, and learn from it, use it to look at your own work differently.

    If you're gonna post your work, you're doing it so people will see it. You also do it, because you want people to comment on it and tell you what a great job you're doing. If they don't like it, it's indeed their opinion, but don't tell people it's all their fault that they didn't like it.

    SRK is one of the least criticizing boards I've ever seen in regards to art. Whenever you post something here, you're bound to get at least 50% positive responses.
    If you take people's criticism and learn from it, just imagine how great your next drawing is gonna be. If you just keep saying people shouldn't criticize your work, you'll never get better and will stay at the same level for ever.

    It's as if you keep falling for the same tricks in a fighting game. If people tell you, don't use Rog's super against Gief, 'cause he'll just block and piledrive the shit out of you, you don't say: "It's just a game, you should let my super just hit you every now and then or it isn't fair!" Then you might as well just be playing against the computer.

    Which is like showing your drawings only to your mom.


    (This isn't solely directed against you btw, I just happened to quote your post.)

    EDIT: Of course, it's never okay to just say: "Your art sucks." Anyone who does that is a bitch. :arazz:
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  • Dreaded FistDreaded Fist Joined: Posts: 1,920
    one thing i have always felt was pretty retarded is when something is created that is not supposed to be real, and critics start to bash that item for its unrealistic look, style, or details. anyone els think this is just plain stupid?

    if you see a pic of and alien monster shooting a fire ball from his hands, there is nothing you can tell me about the size of his head compared to his body! there are no aliens like him that you can base the complaint off of.

    if you see a drawing of blanka doing his electric shock attack you cannot tell me that his muscles are wrong, you know why? because even if the muscles don't exist in the real world neither dose a big fuckin green mutated amazon monster man who can create electricity outta thin air!

    theres no fact that anyone can say about morrigan isn't she a succubus who can take souls and change dimensions? all you can do is compare her to the original, and even then you got nothing to say that is fact really because maybe the artist is trying to show the character in his or her own style.

    anyway i don't mind if people say "hey man, I'm not down with the big body little head that your alien dude is sportin" its a hell of a lot better than "aw man common! everyone knows that aliens bodies are 7 heads tall just like the great roman artist said!"

    as far as I'm concerned art has no rules, none of it. the only time art has a rule is when you need to imitate another persons style EXACTLY. thats just my opinion but if there where rules in art we wouldn't have even half of the cool things that we do in our everyday lives.

    anyway just my opinion. of course everyone has the right not to like something in any kind of art. but fantasy is fantasy because it is not REAL and thats pretty much my point.

    If art has no rules, then why would art schools exist? How are you suppose to get better at something if there are no rules? There is a method to everything, from anatomy to how a strand of hair should flow to the placement of text on an ad.

    If something looks wrong then there's probably a reason behind it. Fantasy art has to be grounded in reality to make it believable. I agree with Bob Sagat that you shouldn't use the fact that because something doesn't exist in real life that it shouldn't have to look realistic. If you drew Blanka with sausages on his body instead of muscles, then yeah something's gonna look off no matter what.

    EDIT: I know your post was posted a year ago and like bob sagat, I'm just quoting your post. Not directed against you.
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    OK. interesting discussion.. going on about critique..

    I agree with Bob Sagat on the critiquing... that you post to get feedback. whether positive or negative feedback.. it's at the critic's discretion. but as an artist, you have to take the both. I will add though, taking in a valid critique and one that's just a waste of time is at the artist's discretion.
    as far as I'm concerned art has no rules, none of it. the only time art has a rule is when you need to imitate another persons style EXACTLY. thats just my opinion but if there where rules in art we wouldn't have even half of the cool things that we do in our everyday lives.

    kurokuma, there are rules and theories in art. but in my opinion. you gotta learn the rules to break them.
  • pootnanniespootnannies mr. negative Joined: Posts: 3,145
    yeah there are rules obviously. you can bend them but if you bend them too much you break 'em and it's noticeable as hell. to a degree, even abstract paintings have rules. hmm. maybe not...


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  • ScissormanScissorman Neal D. Anderson Joined: Posts: 1,168
    On alot of boards I've noticed(this one included) hardly anyone gives out critique and when someone asks for it, they deny any problems with their piece.

    And for the case of a member here(not going to say who) his critiques are good, but then he insults them in the process, which isn't helpful at all.
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