Alpha 3: Q & A

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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Tiers

    Can anybody post the character rankings for an A3 n00b plz? I know I've heard lots of good stuff about V-Akuma and V-Sakura but I wanna know some others because I just started to play(I know I'm really late:p ).
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    This is going to sound inane, but check out the previous Zero 3 thread (page 65, for example). Sorry, but there are repeated requests Z3 rankings (more than all the other games combined). There is also a dedicated V-Akuma thread.

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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    OK, many random questions.

    1. Runaway Vega: is his best runaway Ism V-Ism? When Sabin said his air defense was KK throw, did he mean the airthrow? Is it ill advised to slide when people jump at you to get out of the way? When you use his off the wall moves for runaway, do you just fly away and not hit punch, or do you hit punch and try and land far away (whiff the attack)?

    2. What other characters are good for runaway? Rolento, right? What about Guy?

    3. What are Charlie`s best air defenses? Crouching strong, crouching fierce....standing rh? Should I bother with the short flash kick?

    4. What regular/special/super move does the most guardbreak damage in the game?
  • glassglass half empty Joined: Posts: 555
    Geekboy:
    could u post links to the other individual A3 threads at the TOP post of this thread? they're small... but i think that's just why they need to be mentioned. i recall one for each of the ff:

    - Gouki
    - Sakura
    - Nash
    - Zangief
    - Rose


    CMM171:
    originally posted by Muskau
    page 66
    A3: A3 Everything!


    Top Tier

    Dhalsim
    Akuma/Gouki
    Zangief
    Sakura
    Ryu
    Charlie

    Is Charlie right to be here? It makes second tier look kinda empty... lol

    Second Tier
    Rolento
    Karin
    Sodom
    Vega/Balrog

    I don't see why Sodom is so great, I thought he was toast after his VC was done, and I haven't heard too much about him winning in tourneys

    Third Tier
    Chun-Li
    Juni
    Cody
    Guy
    Gen
    Cammy
    Adon
    Sagat
    Ken
    Balrog/M.Bison
    M.Bison/Vega
    Rose
    Blanka

    Should Chun-Li perhaps be moved to second-tier??? I was also wondering if Balrog or Blanka should be moved around, they both have very powerful pokes.

    Bottom Tier
    Birdie
    R.Mika
    Dan
    Juli
    E.Honda

    Bottom Tier is still the same since I haven't seen much of these characters


    State of Nature:
    i really don't know... i'll answer your questions with questions...

    1. yes the KK airthrow; i recall him mentioning it's good because it throws the opponent behind him. i'm not sure about its other properties tho; maybe it has larger range than his PP airthrow..?

    2. Rolento for runaway, yes. Chun works too i think (hit and run?). does V-Akuma qualify for this position?

    3. IMHO, stand jab and low strong if deep, low fierce and stand roundhouse if up high. short flaskick isn't bad, i use it a occasionally; i personally use c.FP the most, JP second most. but take a second opinion. top priority anti-air of course would be his VC.

    4. hmm... i wouldn't know..


    my own questions.
    - i've been playing Ryu a lot lately. i must ask if this is reasonable; c.FK xx hadoken. this is probably a ST era question but i never learned it's importance until now. as Ryu i constantly need to use walk up c.FK xx hadoken. but often one of 3 things will happen;

    1. c.FK > red hadoken (most frequent)
    2. c.FK > shoryuken (second most frequent)
    3. c.FK > blue hadoken (least frequent)

    i'd like to know how to maximize the frequency of #3 while minimizing that of #2. if that's not possible i'd like to know how compromising for the (much) slower red hadoken is likely to get me killed (who can VC or reversal through it) if ever. or maybe the difference between using the red and blue in A3 isn't even worth worrying about?

    - why does c.FP/FP xx shoryuken hit some times and not others? what makes the difference?
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  • MuskauMuskau The Patriots Joined: Posts: 1,033
    I think Apoc should probably have a SFA3 character of the month where he comes up with a new hardly used character with secret techniques that suddenly put them into second tier lol
    When this site started, some six years ago, if you made some dumb "hi i'm new" thread, your ass was grass. Much like high school, you learned to watch what you say, and to back it up if necessary. In the end, it made you a better person. Guess that aspect of SRK is lost forever. - Mr Punkus '06
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    HELLO ALL! im back:)

    if you want, i can make a technical video for lot of character (when start OC, how to escape OC, etc..). then, there will be post on www.thelemmings.net.

    please, tell me what kind of strategy you want in it. (i already have some idea. but tell me what you think about).

    ps: there were too much post...i couldnt read them all T.T

    Ill post this message on all character's thread.


    ps2: maybe it would be good to create a new thread "A3 technical idea" with all your ideas. then, i wont have to check every thread to see what you wrote;)
  • gbursinegbursine TeaPire! Joined: Posts: 1,727
    In all honesty, I think dan may be 2nd to last tier.
    play vampire :P

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  • bushin187bushin187 Joined: Posts: 237
    what ism is best for Rolento ? Is it X or V-ism ?
    lp. mp. fp. fk.
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    What are Rolento's Vism combos?:D
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  • ApocApoc SF Bendu Knight Joined: Posts: 704 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Originally posted by glass
    Geekboy:
    my own questions.
    - i've been playing Ryu a lot lately. i must ask if this is reasonable; c.FK xx hadoken. this is probably a ST era question but i never learned it's importance until now. as Ryu i constantly need to use walk up c.FK xx hadoken. but often one of 3 things will happen;

    1. c.FK > red hadoken (most frequent)
    2. c.FK > shoryuken (second most frequent)
    3. c.FK > blue hadoken (least frequent)

    i'd like to know how to maximize the frequency of #3 while minimizing that of #2. if that's not possible i'd like to know how compromising for the (much) slower red hadoken is likely to get me killed (who can VC or reversal through it) if ever. or maybe the difference between using the red and blue in A3 isn't even worth worrying about?

    - why does c.FP/FP xx shoryuken hit some times and not others? what makes the difference?

    Here's what I find easiest. And I do believe accuracy of these basics are key to playing a good Ryu.

    This may depend on your type of stick but the idea is the same. While walking, let go of the stick as you go down or tap back(tapping back will slow your momentum a tad) before going down. Thing is, if you tap back and then roll to down, you will get the red fireball. If you go neutral then down, it will always be the blue fireball.

    Also, be sure of when you press the button. You may do the motion for a fireball properly, while walking, but if you hit the button while the stick is at down/forward, you will get a dp. Be sure that you don't press the button until you are directly pressing towards.

    Another method requires no stopping(not that going neutral is even noticeable to the opponent, heheh) just walk, then down+forward, complete the fireball motion fast ending with towards and hit the button AFTER you are holding towards. Kind of a delayed thing. You cancel the end of the forward but the delay helps you NOT to hit the button at down+forward(getting a shoryuken) since you pause for a split after it's already at the towards position.

    Letting go is what I do. If your sticks are very loose I recommend delaying the button so that you avoid the dp command completely.

    The reason for getting a dp is because the button is timed wrong and the computer uses walking as the towards part of dp motion. Then, hitting the button a 10th of a second off leaves you in the down-forward position which is specific to a dp even if you do complete the fireball motion. The mistake comes at when you hit the button.

    Getting the red fireball comes from over compensating or doing the 2in1 from a blocking posture. To avoid this, simply avoid going past down on the stick before a fireball. Going passed down(meaning to down back and further) leads to cpu misinterpretation. That's why letting go is suggested. When you let go, you're less likely to grab the stick and pull it back to do the fireball and more likely to tap down and go into it.

    Hoped this helped some.

    Woohoo, all this a3 info. We need to do a collaborative a3 guide. With all of the info on these sites? sheesh.

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  • bushin187bushin187 Joined: Posts: 237
    Originally posted by glass
    Geekboy:

    - i've been playing Ryu a lot lately. i must ask if this is reasonable; c.FK xx hadoken. this is probably a ST era question but i never learned it's importance until now. as Ryu i constantly need to use walk up c.FK xx hadoken. but often one of 3 things will happen;

    1. c.FK > red hadoken (most frequent)
    2. c.FK > shoryuken (second most frequent)
    3. c.FK > blue hadoken (least frequent)

    i'd like to know how to maximize the frequency of #3 while minimizing that of #2. if that's not possible i'd like to know how compromising for the (much) slower red hadoken is likely to get me killed (who can VC or reversal through it) if ever. or maybe the difference between using the red and blue in A3 isn't even worth worrying about?

    - why does c.FP/FP xx shoryuken hit some times and not others? what makes the difference?

    I don't understand. c.FK knocks people down right?
    you must mean c. MK. Or maybe i just learned some new shit :lol:

    no seriously c.Fk can't combo into anything right?!?! ( unless it's akuma's OTG )
    lp. mp. fp. fk.
  • ApocApoc SF Bendu Knight Joined: Posts: 704 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Originally posted by bushin187


    I don't understand. c.FK knocks people down right?
    you must mean c. MK. Or maybe i just learned some new shit :lol:

    no seriously c.Fk can't combo into anything right?!?! ( unless it's akuma's OTG )

    no, cr.RH can't cancel into anything outside of vism. Cr.fk can cancel into anything.

    Allow me to tease for but a second.

    Fk does not mean "Fierce Kick". There has never been a fierce kick in streetfighter. It has never been light kick, medium kick, fierce kick. There isn't and never has been a fierce kick.

    Now, for streetfighter, the buttons are as follows(for the past 11+years) jab/strong/fierce for PUNCHES. Short/Forward/Roundhouse for KICKS.

    Once you understand this, it's easy not to be confused. cr.fk could ONLY mean crouching forward kick.

    You're confusing 2 things here.

    #1. There is no fierce kick.
    #2. You understand things as light medium and hard. Problem here is you mixed true button names with light-hard and came up with fierce kick. One or the other would suffice. SF button names or light-hard for the newbie. Confusion only comes when you mix the two somehow:P

    K...done teasing.

    Past posts should make sense now=)

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  • js2756js2756 Joined: Posts: 169
    FK means Forward Kick.

    The equivalent of that is Medium Kick or MK.
    Jab Punch (JP) = Light Punch (LP)
    Strong Punch (SP) = Medium Punch (MP)
    Fierce Punch (FP) = Hard Punch (HP)
    Short Kick (SK) = Light Kick (LK)
    Forward Kick (FK) = Medium Kick (MK)
    Roundhouse Kick (RK) = Hard Kick (HK)

    Capcom used this terminology when they released SF2. They switched to LP, HP (I believe) with CvS and MvC2 since there was only 4 buttons (not sure what they're using for CvS2).
  • bushin187bushin187 Joined: Posts: 237
    lol I understand now. stop it !!!!!!!!!!! :(
    lp. mp. fp. fk.
  • js2756js2756 Joined: Posts: 169
    Actually, I never saw Apoc's post when I posted mine. I did edit it after I saw it though. :D No worries, a lot of people are used to MvC2 terminology, so they look at me wierd when I use the old SF terminology.

    Apoc: You're my hero for that bigass post on A-Rog from the old "Everything about A3 thread". :p
  • ApocApoc SF Bendu Knight Joined: Posts: 704 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Sweet! Gracias js2756
    :D

    Bushin:It's no biggie, everyone does it. I was just teasing because of the confusion.


    For those interested, on #gamecombos on efnet PSX2000 uploaded some Vegas A3 matches as we were getting ready for Evo. It has me and Danny Leong(team usa A3). I'm using some Chun and some Rog in A-sim. Danny is using his sick V-Akuma. Psx joins in to give us some comp for characters we don't get to face often by throwing us some A-gief and some A-Sim. There's a bit of humor added as well. It's a good 235mb.

    It showcases Vegas style which is completely aggressive.

    This was prolly a week before Evolution. I hadn't bothered to add crouch cancels yet and Danny hadn't perfected the crouch cancel vc finisher at the time neither but the play is top notch. For those that haven't seen a good A-Rog in action, this shows him in high level comp.

    If you need help getting on irc you may refer to www.gamecombos.com and I think Dr.Funkenstein may add it to his hub.

    Also, during spring, A3 will be one of the main events in the Vegas tourney being planned so I'll keep ya posted for those interested in having spring break in Vegas=)

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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    My biggest problem matchup by far is my usually A-Cody (sorry, can't do customs on a keyboard) vs any Vega. All of cody's moves seem to have just a LITTLE too much start-up time (all the ruffian kicks, bad stone, criminal upper, shall i continue?), and vega just jumps all over my as. Plus, without a dedicated normal anti-air really worth a damn (IMO), i get rushed like a mother. Any help from a cody freak would be much appreciated.

    PS: How come blanka isn't rated any higher in this game? I always seem to do quite damn well with him against people of my own skill level (semi-noob - bta noob). Is it his lack of a decent super? His VCs not quite good enough? I want answers!

    Please.
  • TSTS pbbbbbbt... Joined: Posts: 4,304 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Originally posted by Rolling Start
    PS: How come blanka isn't rated any higher in this game? I always seem to do quite damn well with him against people of my own skill level (semi-noob - bta noob). Is it his lack of a decent super? His VCs not quite good enough? I want answers!

    Please.

    Blanka is a pretty decent character, I think. A lot better if you can crouch cancel well. Good air priority (which of course is good for ccs), but he's pretty unspectacular. I actually found out that if you're one of the like 3 characters in the game that can't beat his rolling ball attack (Rose is apparently one of them, sans super), you actually have to start thinking. And having to think, while someone else can just be on auto pilot, obviously puts you at a disadvantage.

    Rolento is REALLY good, in all modes. I'd probably have to say A or V is best.

    Nature- Sabin meant the air throw, because it has crazy range.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Originally posted by Rolling Start
    My biggest problem matchup by far is my usually A-Cody (sorry, can't do customs on a keyboard) vs any Vega. All of cody's moves seem to have just a LITTLE too much start-up time (all the ruffian kicks, bad stone, criminal upper, shall i continue?), and vega just jumps all over my as. Plus, without a dedicated normal anti-air really worth a damn (IMO), i get rushed like a mother. Any help from a cody freak would be much appreciated.

    PS: How come blanka isn't rated any higher in this game? I always seem to do quite damn well with him against people of my own skill level (semi-noob - bta noob). Is it his lack of a decent super? His VCs not quite good enough? I want answers!

    Please.

    First I'd have to say go to the arcade, but i'm sure you're answer is that you can't, but let me make it known that it is very possible to do customs on keyboard so just practice.

    Anyways, the Cody Vs. Vega matchup. Vega definately has the upper hand especially when its A-Cody. Vega can hit Cody with c. strong after a blocked mid screen jab criminal upper, so be sure not to get screwed by using that on a blocking vega. Cody's main problem in this fight is that he's not really fast enough to catch or corner vega. Use c. fierce -> short ruffian as a poke (somtimes even c. fierce -> jab stone even though there's a small window against vega to get punished) Cody can't really safely use stones to zone in this match, between vega's high and fast jump and his long limbs he'll be able to punish Cody when he tries to use his projectile. Use s. forward too because it will stuff vega's c. strong. For air defense use the normal s. roundhouse, but if you find yourself in a jam use c. fierce. The c. fierce might end up trading a lot but if you trade with a j. short its worth it, plus, they are still hit up into the air giving you plenty of options. An earlier c. fierce will hit clean though.

    Crouch Cancel is your friend in this matchup. Vega jumps around a lot and Cody can outprioritize most if not all of Vega's jump attacks with a jump jab. Not only will cc do massive amounts of damage and dizzy, but it will also corner vega. This is exactly where Cody thrives, when his opponent is in the corner. Playing Cody you probably know all of his corner traps. Also, when you hit with a jab criminial upper, go for the counter it j. fierce a lot. This way you can utilize crouch cancel to bring vega to the corner once again.

    Jumping in you can have problems. Against V-vega, his flashkick will beat most of your air attacks. So i'd recommend if you know he's going to go for flashkick then jump in and block the flashkick and then f + roundhouse him out of his recovery. J. roundhouse will stuff vega's c. fierce if timed right but be sure not to become too predictable with it because then Vega can start using his air throw for air defense.

    Also, throw a lot. Cody's kick throw is great, it does good damage every time and it puts the opponent into or close to the corner. After a KK throw you can walk up and c. fierce -> short ruffian (or jab stone) for even more pressure. Oh and Cody has a small trick which really isn't even a trick but it's great. Hit j. roundhouse, when blocked (or hit even), doesn't push him that far away from the opponent compared to other peoples jumping fierces + roundhouse. After a jump roundhouse just walk forward a small amount and throw. It really gets on people's nevers especially when you hit with the j. roundhouse and you go into throw anyways :lol:

    I strongly recommend though, trying to get Cody's customs down. It will give you a 50%-100% air defense option which is really valuable especially against a tough fight like vega.
  • ApocApoc SF Bendu Knight Joined: Posts: 704 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    V-Ryu-Jimmy,

    Every thread dude? Every A3 thread? heheh sheesh!

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  • ApocApoc SF Bendu Knight Joined: Posts: 704 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Originally posted by Muskau
    I think Apoc should probably have a SFA3 character of the month where he comes up with a new hardly used character with secret techniques that suddenly put them into second tier lol

    LOL! Sounds fun! Pick a character, I'll try! Who knows? I was gonna use A-Vega next cuz Vega/Chun/Rog are my og characters=)

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  • MuskauMuskau The Patriots Joined: Posts: 1,033
    Hmmm I dunno what character hasn't been covered much? If all the stuff about SFA3 that was ever posted on this messageboard (including lost crash stuff) was collected together then you'd have a lot of info about everything. So I'm not sure who is the least talked about.

    Since most of the time on SFA3 threads people want VC's and not an overall list of tactics that the character can use, so it seems like as soon as the match starts you must get into position for VC lol

    I'm not sure if SFA3 overall character tactics should be discussed more, since two stuff ups can cost the match in competitive play, and its even more dangerous since a VC or CC can be tacked on to the end of it.

    ST seems to have more focus on overall tactics and gameplan on that level because they don't have the luxury of doing a memorised and practiced series of attacks that the opponent cannot defend against after you get a hit. Easy ST damage just sounds like its harder to get in comparison. I suppose this is what makes old-school players who used to play ST better than newer players since the basic ground tactics are already at a good level with ST players, while newer players are trying to memorize VC's and so forget the other things.

    Hmmmm I'm rambling
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  • gbursinegbursine TeaPire! Joined: Posts: 1,727
    How bout v-dan?.... he's got like a vism counter, with his pushblock. doesn't that bring him anywhere above absolute bottom tier?
    play vampire :P

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    I believe Temujin could talk best about V-Dan.

    A-Guy = too good
    Apoc = My father

    Whiff cancelling into overheads off a final fight chain that was blocked is neat.
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  • ApocApoc SF Bendu Knight Joined: Posts: 704 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Originally posted by Gandido
    I believe Temujin could talk best about V-Dan.

    A-Guy = too good
    Apoc = My father

    Whiff cancelling into overheads off a final fight chain that was blocked is neat.

    Hey hey hey! Chill on the "old" jokes bro! I'm not THAT old:mad:

    heheh:p

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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Originally posted by TS


    I actually found out that if you're one of the like 3 characters in the game that can't beat his rolling ball attack (Rose is apparently one of them, sans super), you actually have to start thinking. And having to think, while someone else can just be on auto pilot, obviously puts you at a disadvantage.

    I think if you walk one step forward and neutral roundhouse you can punish it. At least is memory serves me right. I'm interested in knowing for sure, just out of curiousity. No more playing Rose for me. The only reason I remember, is cuz I remember NOT being able to do it in Zero3CRAPPYUpper, and I got frustrated.

    Daniel
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Originally posted by Rolling Start

    PS: How come blanka isn't rated any higher in this game? I always seem to do quite damn well with him against people of my own skill level (semi-noob - bta noob). Is it his lack of a decent super? His VCs not quite good enough? I want answers!

    Blanka is pretty much an auto-loss against Dhalsim. I think it's the worst match in the game. In my experience, he's also pretty much an auto loss against Gief too, as well as Honda (!) and Balrog. Such a poor track record against two of the most played characters and one of the worst (Honda, not 'rog -- I don't want to be flamed to death by Apoc :)) is a horrid sign.

    Most people who play Blanka tend to play on auto-pilot (to use TS' term) and tend to tely on his jumping attacks and rolls to overwhelm an opponent. No insult meant, but, yes, noobs love Blanka because the don't have to think to win with him. However, if you do take time to play him intelligently, he's decent.
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    i dunno if he's so bad vs Gief, well A-Gief anyway. imho he's kinda like Vega in many respects, and in that match Gief's (lack of) mobility doesn't help. i'd agree abot the auto-pilot... there's a lot of stuff u can see coming that just forces you to take guard damage if you don't have the tools to fight him. but against certain chars like X-Rog, Blanka literally loses for free :D

    Apoc:
    i've never thought about releasing the stick, thanks. i figure tho in the US the sticks are rather tight; over here the sticks are the japanese style ultra-loose ones so letting go is a bit of a problem (large stick rotation diameter).

    mm... i've tried several things
    - holding down, tapping K, then doing the qcf much more quickly then hitting P (like your second method)
    - holding down-back, then the qcf much more quickly then hitting P.

    the second one i listed should've worked better in theory but it's pretty much the same i find. will need more testing :D


    OKAY... does anyone have any tips for learning Gief? i'm just talking about landing SPDs more consistently.

    - i'm using super loose sticks so any ideas on that situation would be good. for one thing it took me at least 4 years to realize that to do a 360 or 720 on loose sticks, you don't need to scrape the edges of the stick casing (you don't have to touch the square hole the stick is mounted in).
    - clockwise or counterclockwise? as in, what works best for you.
    - lately i've made a point to tap JP > FP after the 360 motion. i think in theory i should get either a jab SPD, a fierce SPD, or a whiffed prox cancelled jab into a fierce SPD. or basically just a doubled chance of an SPd coming out. sometimes tho the jab just comes out on the full due to human error. should i bother drumming both buttons?
    - is jab prox cancelled into SPD commonly used at all?

    - Gief jumps on me with fierce, which i block. i try to jump after the block, but his close low roundhouse always tags me. wtf?
    - how to beat Gief's jumping forward knee without meter? seems to be rather abusable..
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    oh.. is Mouko's All About A3 translation still in the works? anyone heard from him?

    - doesn't the AAA3 book list some some of the best/most useful guard crushing strings for each character? like Rose's low strong > low forward > far roundhouse. we could use more of that.

    - what's Ken's best strings into RK or f.RK? it's one slow thing but i've seen someone beating shit outta ppl with it and missing wasn't an issue. it's not his ST roundhouse (speedwise) but i figure it involves conditioning them not to jump, then whacking them with it.

    - what's Rog's standard VC? a lot of places have "repeated headbutts" but he doesn't have that on the arcade.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Originally posted by ballpoint
    OKAY... does anyone have any tips for learning Gief? i'm just talking about landing SPDs more consistently.
    Sorry, but when anyone mentions A3 Gief I have to throw out http://shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13894. It has a lot of good info from before the big SRK crash as well as everything mentioned since and is worth reading.
    clockwise or counterclockwise? as in, what works best for you.
    I find clockwise easier if you're asking. It's good to be ambispinderous if you're learning since, as Apoc mentions in the Gief post: "I had a good laugh when he talked about how good Japanese V-Gief was. What was funny was the reason. What's funnier is that the reason is true. The Japanese are the only V-Giefs that can do the extended range grab from both sides consistantly!"
    JP > FP ... is jab prox cancelled into SPD commonly used at all?
    Yes! Get used to the "magic distance" (again, Gief guide). Learn how to do it with Jab SPD's and you'll be amazed how far away you can suck them in from.
    how to beat Gief's jumping forward knee without meter? seems to be rather abusable..
    Hm. I don't find Gief's knees that special in A3. Now A2 on the other hand...

    But seriously, I don't know the situation you're in, you just might not have frame advantage for retaliation. Practice your reversals? Same with jumping out of the fierce, though if you are getting tagged with the c.rh then the opponent most likely didn't do the fierce deep enough and you're getting hit in your pre-jump animation.
  • MuskauMuskau The Patriots Joined: Posts: 1,033
    Yeah I'd love some basic pressure strings and normal move priority comparisons for characters, but I doubt they'll be done for a long time.....

    For V-Ken I find b+FK more usable than his RK pokes most of the time since on a successful hit with b+FK(such as anti air) can be cancelled straight into a hadoken so you can keep pressure on.
    I find the standing RK more useful when your sure they are not going to jump. b+SP is just a funny anti-air to use if you want to go for style points lol
    When this site started, some six years ago, if you made some dumb "hi i'm new" thread, your ass was grass. Much like high school, you learned to watch what you say, and to back it up if necessary. In the end, it made you a better person. Guess that aspect of SRK is lost forever. - Mr Punkus '06
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Could some one tell me what any ism Vega has on V-Akuma??
  • TSTS pbbbbbbt... Joined: Posts: 4,304 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    ...please don't tell me I've been crouch canceling off of counter hit jump jabs and turtling, when I could have just hit Roundhouse. It makes me feel sad.
    Originally posted by Sir-Jabs-Alot
    Could some one tell me what any ism Vega has on V-Akuma??
    His own blood.

    I dunno, Vega doesn't do TOO bad, especially if you're playing someone who doesn't get to play Vegas that often. Poke with crouching Strong and Fierce, and Forward, and all that, like usual, and learn when to jump. Vega doesn't really have any character-based advantages, but in terms of practicallity, just keeping your distance and poking the shit out of them will draw out a Dp or fireball from a LOT of people, so you can do alright because of things like that.


    There are vids of some CTF a3 tourney over at cornertrap. Really good match of Arturo vs Ricky Ortiz, but the rest of the vids are cool too (Nibor vs Ortiz, and 2 of Temujin vs Ortiz). Go get them if you don't have them already. Mostly Sak vs Dhalsim, except Sabin plays some V-Vega, Nibor plays Cody, and Temujin used Cammy and Dan in one match.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Originally posted by TS
    ...please don't tell me I've been crouch canceling off of counter hit jump jabs and turtling, when I could have just hit Roundhouse. It makes me feel sad.


    His own blood.

    I dunno, Vega doesn't do TOO bad, especially if you're playing someone who doesn't get to play Vegas that often. Poke with crouching Strong and Fierce, and Forward, and all that, like usual, and learn when to jump. Vega doesn't really have any character-based advantages, but in terms of practicallity, just keeping your distance and poking the shit out of them will draw out a Dp or fireball from a LOT of people, so you can do alright because of things like that.


    There are vids of some CTF a3 tourney over at cornertrap. Really good match of Arturo vs Ricky Ortiz, but the rest of the vids are cool too (Nibor vs Ortiz, and 2 of Temujin vs Ortiz). Go get them if you don't have them already. Mostly Sak vs Dhalsim, except Sabin plays some V-Vega, Nibor plays Cody, and Temujin used Cammy and Dan in one match.

    Thanks for the link.. I have a friend thats better then me at A3. He has played longer then me. Its hard to win with his Vega A,X,or V. and beat my V-Akuma all I do is wait for him to try to come in and fuck up if he will not come in then I'll jump in on him with (Rh. Hurry Kicks )and get in on him and VC or just bust him up knocking his claw and mask off lol . Then I guard his shit if I have more health ;0.. Peace!
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    anyone got dan vcs?...
  • glassglass half empty Joined: Posts: 555
    Originally posted by Big_Bad_Geif
    anyone got dan vcs?...

    not i. but would u happen to know a guy named Patrick? decent player, played Karin Rolento and a few others, came down from Auckland (to Melbourne) a month ago.
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Originally posted by Big_Bad_Geif
    anyone got dan vcs?...

    Temujin (who has the best Dan I've seen) uses I think two customs with Dan. Here's what they are from what I've seen.

    Anti air:

    VC1, jab dp, land, s. roundhouse -> qcb + roundhouse, then keep doing qcb + short until the corner, then in corner, whiffed fireball, [fierce -> qcf + P] repeat brackets until 10% meter or even less is left, whiff s. jab, let shadow hit, and jump up for CCed fierces.

    I don't use dan so try this at your own risk ;)

    then he just has a corner fireball rave:

    VC1, qcf + fierce over and over (add in a fierce or two at the beginning I guess), then with a little less than 50% meter left do qcb + short and go into the fierce -> qcf + P once or twice, and going into CC setup.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Originally posted by glass


    not i. but would u happen to know a guy named Patrick? decent player, played Karin Rolento and a few others, came down from Auckland (to Melbourne) a month ago.

    Yeah... if its the same patrick im thinkin of... Does he have a shaved head?...

    He was decent, but he was a long shy of being good i think... he sorta fell into patterns to easy and jumped too much... Athough I doubt he put as much time and effort into it as the hardcore guys over here....

    I remember this shoto scrub beat him off and was talking shit bout him behind his back... so I jumped on and raped the bastard off... But Patricks a nice guy, hes cool to talk too...

    Ask him about the suit guy...

    Thanx Nibor, I was already doin the hadou rave and the whiff fireball customs with him but didnt know bout the CC stuff...

    Peace....
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Can someone give me a lik to the old Alpha 3 thread pleez?
  • shadowcharlieshadowcharlie ★ஜ۩dip۞set۩ஜ★ Joined: Posts: 9,170 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    hmmm, id like to know what geifs splash outprioritizes, and what beats it out cold.... new thread YAYAY apoc.......yayay:lol:
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