Alpha 3: Q & A

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  • ApocApoc SF Bendu Knight Joined: Posts: 704 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Originally posted by shadowcharlie
    hmmm, id like to know what geifs splash outprioritizes, and what beats it out cold.... new thread YAYAY apoc.......yayay:lol:

    Whoa! um...with which characters? I'm sure I couldn't think of em all and a lot depends on range. It'd be much easier to explain specific characters. Also, Aism and Vism splash act differently so it really depends. Any specific character you need counters for?

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  • TemujinTemujin HAND OF GOD Joined: Posts: 661
    for the CC ender with dan you do (stand fierce, whiff fireball) until almost no meter then you do standing strong and jump up (shadow hits) then I usually do 3 jump fierces, one or two jump strongs, then land with low fierce>>spin kick (short or roundhouse).. after that you can do another low fierce>>spin kick depending on if or how they flip. 30-40% meter return which is crucial for Dan.
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  • SlideSlide Inactive Member Joined: Posts: 3,084
    I've beaten Gief's splash with Guy's crouch strong deep. When I use Guy against Gief, my whole game is to get him to jump.
    Sakura's early jab DP works.
    Can Karin's stand fierce beat it clean without trading?
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Originally posted by OrangeMegaslide
    I've beaten Gief's splash with Guy's crouch strong deep. When I use Guy against Gief, my whole game is to get him to jump.
    Sakura's early jab DP works.
    Can Karin's stand fierce beat it clean without trading?

    Err, if your whole game is to actively try to get Zangief to jump into an anti-air you're asking to be VCd, or SPD for max range.

    Yes, Karin's FP can beat it, pretty well, too.



    BTW, Dhalsim's jab of doom clealy beats Zangief's splash. His <near> SP can also beat Gief, but it has to be done a bit earlier than usual.

    Lots of crouching SPs beat the splash (with proper timing, of course). Shotos (including Dan!), for instance. Rose'. Charlie's. Honda's headbutt beats it cold. DPs can beat it, but also requires some timing, as well as good choice between JP/SP/FP. Gen's waterfall kick is one of the most reliable aganst the splash (annoyingly so). Against V-Gief the list expands to include the traditional anti-airs, such as crouching FP of most characters.
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    Any tips for X-Rolento?
  • shadowcharlieshadowcharlie ★ஜ۩dip۞set۩ஜ★ Joined: Posts: 9,170 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Originally posted by Apoc


    Whoa! um...with which characters? I'm sure I couldn't think of em all and a lot depends on range. It'd be much easier to explain specific characters. Also, Aism and Vism splash act differently so it really depends. Any specific character you need counters for?

    Apoc.
    ryu,charlie,and sak in v
    and gen in a
    v splash, i was thinking sak can b+hp,or b+hk?
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Originally posted by Apoc

    Also, Aism and Vism splash act differently so it really depends. Any specific character you need counters for?
    Originally posted by mondu_the_fat

    ...Against V-Gief the list expands to include the traditional anti-airs, such as crouching FP of most characters.

    i'm just wondering... how did this information come to arise anyway (was it published in a guide/article?)? it just doesn't seem like something everyone just commonly notices.

    what other seemingly unchanged normals have different properties in the different isms (eg Gief's splash)? i mean priority range and speed in particular (as well as bufferability eg V-Rog's c.FP).
  • ApocApoc SF Bendu Knight Joined: Posts: 704 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Originally posted by shadowcharlie
    ryu,charlie,and sak in v
    and gen in a
    v splash, i was thinking sak can b+hp,or b+hk?

    In a rush...um...off the top of my head...

    Ryu:far st. fierce when he jumps from low forward range and such. You wouldn't believe how much this move can own Gief. Also, st.jab after walking into him. When gief jumps from a ways away he usually waits to hit the splash in order so that it stays out when it reaches you. Use this to your advantage and walk into the jump sometimes and hit jab before any move can come out from him. Of course juggle/airthrow or set up a nice crouch cancel following this as well as the usual walk under strongxxspinkick etc. Dps work as AA too:P VC. Don't underestimate the power of the airthrow over the splash. st. strong-use like fierce but when you don't have time to get the fierce out. st.forward at 45 degrees. And of course the million things you can do to him on the way up in his jump. AC etc

    Charlie:far st. strong. Very early low fierce(nearly infallable when done early. If you trade, Charlie still has the momentum and the ability to juggle and all the million other yadda yadda. St.jab, much like Ryu's but it just seems better with him to me. Deep RH flashkick. Neutral RH. Hopkick backward, jump back fierce, AC, backfist on the way up will trade at worst. Airthrow...he has tons of counters but these are the best so...

    Sak, I don't even touch this ho. um...st.jab, early back fierce(doubles as a poke that major counters), kk airthrow, vc if they have no meter, back+RH hella close, far RH on the way up or if they jump from far simply to cover distance. St.strong. I know at some ranges you can use low frc to major counter. Jump back forward hits it too I think...not really to sure. Temujin should know.

    Gen can rush super through it, heheh. Air super or airthrow. Just fly away to the wall. Early waterfallkick, st. strong sometimes. Low RH in kkk style. st jab(in kick style preferably). Jumping RH in kkk. He has tons of tricks at certain ranges but I'm no Gen player:( I would use those if I were to touch him. Or just block and reversal 100hand slap. He can't keep jumping on you or attack after the splash. Unless on a wake up but still. Reversal 100hands should set you back at the safe distance again while doing a tad of blocked and guard damage. Sorry, don't know Gen well.

    L8z

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  • TSTS pbbbbbbt... Joined: Posts: 4,308 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    To the people asking how to play Gief: just jump at them and do Fierce splash over and over, or alternate between that, and jumping in with nothing, and then SPD/FAB their anti-air attempt. And of course, jump splash, crouching jab/short, SPD. And mash on Fierce when you're on the ground, and do lariat for anti-air. That's basically all you need to know to beat people who are as good/better than you, and don't have enough anti-gief experience.


    To add to Apoc's list, Charlie's level 1 flash kick super will outlast VC invincibility, so you can do it even vs V-Gief safely, IIRC. Ditto that with Gen's waterfall kick, since you can hit kick again if he VCs through the first hit.

    Apoc: is Rog's "Final" turn punch practical to use, or is it out of the question because of how long it takes, and the startup time?

    and for whoever asked, old A3 thread is at http://shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=174

    Playing A3 on broken sticks sucks. But god damn it, I can't stop...
  • SlideSlide Inactive Member Joined: Posts: 3,084
    Originally posted by mondu_the_fat


    Err, if your whole game is to actively try to get Zangief to jump into an anti-air you're asking to be VCd, or SPD for max range.

    I'm sorry I didn't specify. I was reffering to A-Gief.
  • ApocApoc SF Bendu Knight Joined: Posts: 704 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Originally posted by TS
    To the people asking how to play Gief: just jump at them and do Fierce splash over and over, or alternate between that, and jumping in with nothing, and then SPD/FAB their anti-air attempt. And of course, jump splash, crouching jab/short, SPD. And mash on Fierce when you're on the ground, and do lariat for anti-air. That's basically all you need to know to beat people who are as good/better than you, and don't have enough anti-gief experience.


    To add to Apoc's list, Charlie's level 1 flash kick super will outlast VC invincibility, so you can do it even vs V-Gief safely, IIRC. Ditto that with Gen's waterfall kick, since you can hit kick again if he VCs through the first hit.

    Apoc: is Rog's "Final" turn punch practical to use, or is it out of the question because of how long it takes, and the startup time?

    and for whoever asked, old A3 thread is at http://shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=174

    Playing A3 on broken sticks sucks. But god damn it, I can't stop...

    Actually, Gief can vc through the level1 and 360 the 2nd flashkick, heheh.

    In X the final punch is worth it and the TAP is good in certain match-ups but for A-Rog I find that it's not worth it since you can't throw. ac, trip, airthrow, and of course you lose 3 buttons period. The charge time is too long to hold down 3 buttons while not using those techniques. Some matches? Sure. Overall? Nope.


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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Originally posted by TS
    To the people asking how to play Gief: just jump at them and do Fierce splash over and over, or alternate between that, and jumping in with nothing, and then SPD/FAB their anti-air attempt. And of course, jump splash, crouching jab/short, SPD. And mash on Fierce when you're on the ground, and do lariat for anti-air. That's basically all you need to know to beat people who are as good/better than you, and don't have enough anti-gief experience.


    Dammit, TS just gave away my whole strategy with Gief... :bluu:
  • SuperassriderSuperassrider Hail to the Flag Joined: Posts: 203
    About V-Nash's crouch canceling,could it be that i cant do the crouch canceling on the saturn version of alpha 3. In el_diablo's video,we see that you cant block after an air recovery. Does this only works on the arcade version,cause im not a retard,but it just wont work on the saturn version.
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  • el_diabloel_diablo Joined: Posts: 283 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    actually, it does work on the arcade version, on the dc version, but not on the sat(not that way) and not on the ps. on sat and ps, you gotta do it so the opponent can't flip. or it won't work. weird, but that's the way it is.
  • TSTS pbbbbbbt... Joined: Posts: 4,308 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Originally posted by Gunter



    Dammit, TS just gave away my whole strategy with Gief... :bluu:

    I know, but I lose to Gief so easy...proof that having more moves doesn't make you better, because Gief only does like 4 things (jump fierce/splash, empty jumpin, spd/super/vc, crouching fierce, lariat) and owns like 75% of the characters in the game. God damn him.

    Apoc- thanks. How does Rog get around the standing jab issue vs shotos though? I wanna know what to look for vs a good Balrog in that match.
  • Marvel_ous OneMarvel_ous One Simply Marvelous!!! Joined: Posts: 213
    Im really trying to learn V-Karin. I know most of the otg combos and whatnot. The only thing im having trouble with is setting up for her infinite. Can anyone help me out?
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  • Homer PimpsonHomer Pimpson Questionable Joined: Posts: 1,179
    Yo Apoc, im not gonna quote that whole post, but about the splash, i think thats gonna help mi ryu a lot. Thanks >)
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Can u guys give me some Alpha3 match vids, combomovies, or sites pleez? Thanx in advance!!! :)
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Originally posted by MIXXIAN 11
    Can u guys give me some Alpha3 match vids, combomovies, or sites pleez? Thanx in advance!!! :)

    Some vids of me attempting to use V-Gief (first time!) at a recent SVGL tourney:

    http://www.garnetscope.com/matches/

    EDIT - Oh yeah, for the record, I had gone all the way through the winners bracket with A-Gief, then lost to Kim (ohyeah1234)'s V-Sak. In the loser's I stayed with A-Gief until I played Kim again, then from then on I used V-Gief vs. him, Alex Valle, and then John Choi (in that order).
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Originally posted by GeekBoy
    The other thread was 72 pages...I don't know how much was spam or not, but that's too much...continue here!

    Hey Geek Boy - you are a stupid cocky mother fucker who thinks you know it all. By the way, don't go around calling players scrubs when in fact you are a scrub in my opinion. I've played you and you don't know jack shit pal. Man, you talk alot of shit online but can't back it up in real life.

    Damn, I hate assholes like you. I can't wait to destroy your fucking worthless mr. know it all ass. By the way, you should know exactly who I am. I'm the guy you have never won a game against and hardly ever beat my friends either. You are a disgrace to us CA players.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Originally posted by Sir-Jabs-Alot
    Could some one tell me what any ism Vega has on V-Akuma??

    SJA - If you have any skill at all. You should NEVER lose with V-Akuma against a Vega. Akuma is too good. Vega has to try to poke at you but your customs are too powerful even if blocked and vega is sooo weak. Even if Vega manages to get in a full V roll custom on you, it will fully charge you V meter for another full custom. Why in the hell would you even bring this match up? Sure, there are some really good vegas out there, but overall you will rape him ever time even if you are the same skill level. A Vega has to work ALOT harder for a win than a V-Akuma does.

    You can half suck with V-Akuma and your opponent can be a good player but still lose a few because V-Akuma is just sooo much better. Who else do you use and who does your friends use. You should be winning 90% of your V-Akuma matches against any A or X ism opponents and only lose a few matches against other V-opponents.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Originally posted by Sir-Jabs-Alot


    Thanks for the link.. I have a friend thats better then me at A3. He has played longer then me. But he can never beat my V Akuma with his Vega A,X,or V. All I do is wait for him to try to come in and fuck up if he will not come in then I'll jump in on him with (Rh. Hurry Kicks )and get in on him and VC or just bust him up knocking his claw and mask off lol . Then I guard his shit if I have more health ;0.. Peace!

    Just curious, who is your friend that can "NEVER" beat your V-Akuma with Vega? Thinking......
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Originally posted by FLOOK-WORM


    SJA - If you have any skill at all. You should NEVER lose with V-Akuma against a Vega. Akuma is too good. Vega has to try to poke at you but your customs are too powerful even if blocked and vega is sooo weak. Even if Vega manages to get in a full V roll custom on you, it will fully charge you V meter for another full custom. Why in the hell would you even bring this match up? Sure, there are some really good vegas out there, but overall you will rape him ever time even if you are the same skill level. A Vega has to work ALOT harder for a win than a V-Akuma does.

    You can half suck with V-Akuma and your opponent can be a good player but still lose a few because V-Akuma is just sooo much better. Who else do you use and who does your friends use. You should be winning 90% of your V-Akuma matches against any A or X ism opponents and only lose a few matches against other V-opponents.


    I agree V-Akuma has the advantage in probably a good 80%+ of his match ups, if not more. If you can do the OTG custom everytime, he is nearly unstoppable in the right hands. He has too many weapons and a full life OTG custom if done perfectly. All he needs is a custom next to you and low forward-->low RH sweep into --->OTG custom = death. Very easy to start but takes some practice grabbing them OTG. Of course his dive kick is just too good at fucking your opponents timing up. back + RH kick, dive kick, superior customs, ridicoulously fast recharging V-meters, etc. = TOP TIER easily. That's why everyone seems to use him in tourneys. Then there's V-Sak, V-Gief, A/X/V Dhalsim.....


    Oh, nice name buddy. FLOOK-WORM? What the.... :lol:
  • ApocApoc SF Bendu Knight Joined: Posts: 704 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Originally posted by TS


    I know, but I lose to Gief so easy...proof that having more moves doesn't make you better, because Gief only does like 4 things (jump fierce/splash, empty jumpin, spd/super/vc, crouching fierce, lariat) and owns like 75% of the characters in the game. God damn him.

    Apoc- thanks. How does Rog get around the standing jab issue vs shotos though? I wanna know what to look for vs a good Balrog in that match.

    There are no issues. It's like ol skool. If there jab is fully extended it will hit most of Rog's moves. However, if the st.fierce fully extends it's a major counter and does more than a normal st. fierce and pops them up so that you can push them further to the corner. Many ppl thought that this was a problem without really understanding. First off, if you randomly toss out jabs, even a level 1 will hit it clean. Rog starts off with 3 of them. That's not a safe bet for defense, ever. Also, you can see the timing of their presses making it easy to get a major counter. I love when ppl break out this useless strategy. I'll super them and major counter them to death. It looks really funny at first when Rog eats a few jabs. Then Rog lands one super or major counter that completely makes up for it and then some. I mean, generally, you don't ever want to show the opponent your exact intentions. Doing that is like saying let's play a game of hit the jab. If the jab hits you, you lose a bit. If you hit the jab, they lose an entire shitload. It's so easy to start off the round with a dash motion and see the jab and just do a super instead and freeze the screen. Also, better shotos will try to reversal dp the super. Rog can trick them there too. At a range say, just about starting distance, a shoto can't hit a level 1 with a dp reversal because level 1 is so slow it will hit after the dp. Then switch to level 2 when they smarten up to delay. Either way, only way outta the super is to cancel and that isn't safe either depending on the super I choose at what range. Rog can seriously f*ck with anyone who thinks st. jab is some sort of secret defense.

    Truth is, timed well, ANYthing can hit Rog's moves. It's all in how the players time their attacks against one another. Jabs are dope when used as a reaction. It's suicide to randomly throw them out.

    What do I do? ...hit em? heheh

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  • ApocApoc SF Bendu Knight Joined: Posts: 704 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Originally posted by MIXXIAN 11
    Can u guys give me some Alpha3 match vids, combomovies, or sites pleez? Thanx in advance!!! :)

    There's some of me and Danny from Vegas practicing for evo with PSX2000 on irc. #gamecombos on efnet as well as a ton of a3 footage over the last couple of years.

    Gunter: ooo sweet! New A3 vids=)


    Apoc.
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    Mirc:EFnet:#gamecombos-for your combo and match vid fix! Also, go check Dr.Funkenstein's hub!

    Status: Retired

    "a thug changes, n' luv changes, and best friends become strangehs...word up."- Nas- The Message

    The End is near...

    I AM the counter.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Originally posted by Marvel_ous One
    Im really trying to learn V-Karin. I know most of the otg combos and whatnot. The only thing im having trouble with is setting up for her infinite. Can anyone help me out?

    Yo, yeah here i'll post her set up:

    VC3, when you're right near the corner (but before you're totally in the corner) do: dp + P, dp +K (whiffed), dp + P, right as the second dp + P ends the shadow dp + K will hit for one or two hits doesn't matter, but then just jump up with jab then cc repeated roundhouses for infinite
  • TemujinTemujin HAND OF GOD Joined: Posts: 661
    NEC3 Results : 1-Arturo, 2-Nibor, 3- Ricky

    I just want to congratulate Arturo for his win and Nibor for his continuous improvement.

    I anyone has any details about the tourney please post.. and if anyone has footage please share.

    Unfortunately I have exams so I couldn't make it.. one the rare times I miss an East Coast A3 tourney.
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  • Marvel_ous OneMarvel_ous One Simply Marvelous!!! Joined: Posts: 213
    Originally posted by Nibor


    Yo, yeah here i'll post her set up:

    VC3, when you're right near the corner (but before you're totally in the corner) do: dp + P, dp +K (whiffed), dp + P, right as the second dp + P ends the shadow dp + K will hit for one or two hits doesn't matter, but then just jump up with jab then cc repeated roundhouses for infinite
    So u cant be totally in the corner then when starting it right? I seen that one on a vid and actually done it a couple times with the whiff dp+k. I thought there was another setup with vc2. Anyways, that one is hella hard to time i guess cause sometimes they hit the shadow and cannot flip, but sometimes they flip like it aint nothin :(. I guess I'll keep practicing it then. Congrats on 2nd place Nibor. I shouldve been there to take you out :D .
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    #GAYCOMBOS No way!!!:mad: Peepz there are mean SOBs u plead wid them they don't help at all and give u fake links and crap and after an hour u just give up. Please just give me websites.:)
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    BTW in Alpha duz every char. have their own damage setting, like CVS2 & MVC2? (Been wondering 4 years now.)
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    Hey I posted about NEC A3 results in the results thread (and about how there isn't much footage :( )

    Anyways, Karin's VC2 infinite setup (its kind of dumb though because there's like 5 frames where the opponent can flip, it basically relys on the opponent not timing his flips right) goes like this: when you get to the corner just do, DP + P over and over until about 10% meter is left and then one time don't do DP + P and the shadow of the last one will hit a little after the last one ends. Then jump up for infinite.
  • bushin187bushin187 Joined: Posts: 237
    Originally posted by MIXXIAN 11
    Can u guys give me some Alpha3 match vids, combomovies, or sites pleez? Thanx in advance!!! :)

    get Direct Connect and connect to ((goforbroke.dynip.com)) there are alot of vids on there including ones that aren't on websites anymore.
    lp. mp. fp. fk.
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    Could some one please give me a link to that A3 VC page. The one with all the player VC's.. Thanks!
  • SuperassriderSuperassrider Hail to the Flag Joined: Posts: 203
    To the people asking how to play Gief: just jump at them and do Fierce splash over and over, or alternate between that, and jumping in with nothing, and then SPD/FAB their anti-air attempt. And of course, jump splash, crouching jab/short, SPD. And mash on Fierce when you're on the ground, and do lariat for anti-air. That's basically all you need to know to beat people who are as good/better than you, and don't have enough anti-gief experience.


    TS: Playing with gief is far more complicated than that,you cant rely on jumping that much,yes a Zangief jumps quite a lot,but he also has a groud game,and footsie even if hes that fat. Because of his ground game,you can actually Jab spd just by walking!!

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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Originally posted by MIXXIAN 11
    BTW in Alpha duz every char. have their own damage setting, like CVS2 & MVC2? (Been wondering 4 years now.)

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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Originally posted by Superassrider



    TS: Playing with gief is far more complicated than that,you cant rely on jumping that much,yes a Zangief jumps quite a lot,but he also has a groud game,and footsie even if hes that fat. Because of his ground game,you can actually Jab spd just by walking!!


    I think TS was just simplifying. I have to admit, when I first played Z3 with Z-Gief that was exactly how I played him, and was delighted that such simple strats _do_ dominate a lot of players.

    When I switched to V-Gief (this should also answer ballpoint's question) I found out the hard way that simply splashing someone hardly works -- a lot of anti-air was knocking V-Gief's splash out of the air. This forced me to learn new strats (other than the VCs), and also led me to some of Gief's othe good moves such as knees, and a more effective ground game.

    I guess what I'm trying to say is that Gief _can_ be played using a small set of moves and still be an effective force (kinda like X-Sim, in contrast to Z-Sim), but using a few more moves makes him even better.

    Mixxian: What do you mean by "own damage setting? In any case, the characters of Z3 take more/less damage. Gief for example, is pretty tough -- he takes less damage from attacks and is harder to dizzy. The other end of the scale is akuma -- takes _slightly_ more damage and _slightly_ easier to dizzy. And there's also the matter of guard meter length.
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    Originally posted by Sir-Jabs-Alot
    Could some one please give me a link to that A3 VC page. The one with all the player VC's.. Thanks!

    Geekboy:


    i was about to say they were on the first page of this thread... but when i looked for the post with all the links and the post was gone. wtf..? even toilet's posting of the link to the Gief thread is gone. i'm quite certain it was on this thread, because i'm certain jimmy used that post to reach and bump all the other A3 character threads up..

    edit:
    gah... still looking. if any mod finds it, can someone put them on the sticky Dasrik thread..? thanks..
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    Originally posted by mondu_the_fat

    Mixxian: What do you mean by "own damage setting? In any case, the characters of Z3 take more/less damage. Gief for example, is pretty tough -- he takes less damage from attacks and is harder to dizzy. The other end of the scale is akuma -- takes _slightly_ more damage and _slightly_ easier to dizzy. And there's also the matter of guard meter length.

    This is exactly what I mean 'cept in percentages. EX: Cammy 110% damage.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    The info can be found at the latter part of KMegura's SFZ3 FAQ. The damage taken by characters are by ranking, not exact numbers (ie. who takes most damage, takes least damage, etc). Putting in exact numbers is kinda hard (and pointless) because in addition to each character's basic toughness, you have to factor in the -ism type, opponent's -ism, counter hits, OTGs, current level of life, all those little factors that involve damage scaling, etc. AFAIK, Z3 has more factors involved in determining damage per hit than the other games.

    'Coure, someone with all about Z3 book might be able to answer, but I haven't seen muoko post in ages.
  • Bear_FartBear_Fart Joined: Posts: 95
    anybody got any tips on how to play birdie?


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    tekken rules so shut up already.
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