Warriors Fate: Street Fighter story thread, revived

SaikiSaiki Joined: Posts: 99
Since everything was wiped out from the previous thread, I figured that a new one should be started.

Anyways, I cant rememeber the questions that were asked form the previous thread except for one so I'll go on to answer that one.

Why I think Retsu is the one that most likely beat Gen in SF1.
I think that it was Retsu because for one thing he was friends with Gouken. The fact that Retsu and Gouken have are old friends and sparring buddies means that Retsu is at least skilled. Next is the fact that Retsu was practicing forbidden arts of his temple that he was in. He was kicked out but he continued to practice them. And the fact that SF1 didnt have any other strong fighters in it. Sagat and Adon were beaten by Ryu. Which leaves Mike, Joe, Geki, Lee, Birdie, Eagle, Retsu and Gen. Out of them I cant see Joe, Lee, Birdie and Eagle being that strong. Mike is Mike Bison but even he couldn't of beaten Gen. Geki I dont think is that strong. Which leaves Retsu.
This is just my guess though.......

I really hope to see this thread revived to it fullest again.
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Ya, I wanted to know about the Chun Li knowing Ryu and co. too. I also asked if you (or anybody else) had an All About Capcom book for Cyberbots.
  • TiamatRoarTiamatRoar The Grumpy Surly One Joined: Posts: 1,092
    Cyberbots is in All About Capcom, I believe. At least, I recall seeing it there when I thumbed through it at various anime conventions. But I'd be very surprised if there were an All About Cyberbots book, since the game wasn't exactly very mainstream as far as I know.

    On a random note, the plot guide's been updated with everything in that thread before it sadly died ( :( ). It's at gamefaqs. Erm... yea. I added in the Slammasters characters (and their bios), but replaying my SNES slammasters game and simply comparing it to the bios Saiki gave made me realize that Capcom of America must have changed a LOT regarding that game...

    Ironic that Retsu probably is quite powerful, storyline-wise, but gameplay wise he's like, that easy first guy that you just plow through in the game who doesn't even have special moves :p

    Hey Saiki, any idea what the dialogue between Gen and Ryu in SFA3 when you play as Gen is about? I'm not sure I can trust Capcom of America's translation. Ack! It's mainly figuring out who Gen is talking about in his first sentence...

    5th Stage Mid-boss: Ryu
    Gen:
    I didn't think anyone could withstand my honed skills...
    Gen:
    I see the world is yet an interesting place to live in!
    Ryu:
    Your fighting style... It's used for killing people, isn't it?
    Gen:
    And what if it is?
    Ryu:
    You are strong! I can sense your power just by looking at you...

    [after the battle]

    Gen:
    I don't understand...Your style is pure... It is not like mine.
    Gen:
    But why do I feel so empty when I look within...?
    Gen:
    Perhaps it is because I use the "assassin's fist..."
    Gen:
    Or... is it because of the power he has flowing through him...?


    Now that I think about it, dialogue like that is probably what leads to Gen giving up fighting in his SFA3 ending or so. ...I think. *wishes SFA3 wasn't so... filled with what-if endings. Ah well. Watch E. Honda's ending have happened, next! :p*
  • ClayClay Spooooooon!!! Joined: Posts: 108
    :)
    Hey Saiki, thanks for re-starting the thread. It's a shame that it was all wiped out, but at least Tiamat has the Faq. Even though it summarized the whole thread pretty well, its just not the same. A lot of little details and discussions that have been lost. Time to move on though.

    Anyway, I had also re-posted the Gen-Ryu Z3 conversation a day or so before the forums crashed, so if you could verify or comment on it I would be most appreciative. Is this an accurate translation, or has Cap USA mixed it up? Also, who is Gen referring to when he states that somebody withstood is "honed skills"? Thanks for your time.
    -Clay
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    One thing I don't understand is why Retsu wasn't put in the Alpha games. I guess that's because Capcom figured nobody played SF1 and it wasn't that important. Ah well, I'd like to see what they would do with him now though.
  • SanoSano SRKSANO on PS4 Joined: Posts: 12,972 mod
    I just want to take the time out to express how much being on this Thread has meant to me in these last few months, and how sad it was to actually loose the original Thread. These last few months of my life have been crazy. I was working 35 hours a week while getting my Bachelors Degree. During this whole time, I had to move to a new house while dealing with a psychotic girlfriend. Not to mention that I work only a few blocks away from the World Trade Center and was in the area when the Twin Towers fell. Anyway, this Thread along with Grenade Falcon's vs. Thread has proved to be a great escape for me. I'd like to thank Fistofury for starting this Thread and everyone who's participated. Now we've all got to post 10 times more than before so we can reach a thousand posts once again!!! And make no mistake about it, this was and will always be the greatest Thread on SRK.
  • SanoSano SRKSANO on PS4 Joined: Posts: 12,972 mod
    I would also like to know any information about Cyberbots. I only became interested in the game when Marvel vs. Capcom 1 came out. This is mostly because Jin was voiced by Yuji Ueda and sounded almost exactly like the way Yuji Ueda voices my favorite Anime character (Sagara Sanosuke of course!). In SFA3, he also does the voices of Balrog (the ninja) and Blanka. I know that for a fact because I have a japanese SFA3 Strategy Guide which lists in English which actor does which character's voice. His name also comes up at the ending credits of SF3 Double Impact (Though not in SF3 Third Strike and I don't know if he's in SF3 New Generation since I don't play it much) but I don't know who's voice he's doing in SF3 Double Impact. Anyway, any info on Jin, Devilot and that Gouki Robot would be appreciated.
  • ClayClay Spooooooon!!! Joined: Posts: 108
    Originally posted by Saiki
    Why I think Retsu is the one that most likely beat Gen in SF1.
    I think that it was Retsu because for one thing he was friends with Gouken. The fact that Retsu and Gouken have are old friends and sparring buddies means that Retsu is at least skilled. Next is the fact that Retsu was practicing forbidden arts of his temple that he was in. He was kicked out but he continued to practice them. And the fact that SF1 didnt have any other strong fighters in it. Sagat and Adon were beaten by Ryu. Which leaves Mike, Joe, Geki, Lee, Birdie, Eagle, Retsu and Gen. Out of them I cant see Joe, Lee, Birdie and Eagle being that strong. Mike is Mike Bison but even he couldn't of beaten Gen. Geki I dont think is that strong. Which leaves Retsu.
    This is just my guess though.......
    Thanks for the input. Up until now, I had always thought that Retsu wasn't as strong as Gouken, but this is a possibility that shouldn't be overlooked. Gameplay doesn't always portray a character's true ability. Still... this does beg one question:
    If Retsu was strong enough to defeat Gen, then who defeated Retsu? I hope that he didn't take it easy on Ryu because he was Gouken's pupil. That sort of bastardizes the whole tournament.

    Saiki- Is there any more info on Gen's illness? When or how he contracted it and how exactly it affects him? I still wonder if it affected his SF1 performance. It seems like a logical cop-out to me. Also, would Retsu's practicing of "forbidden arts" possibly put a strain of his relationship with Gouken? It seems that by eliminating the lethal tendencies of his own art that Gouken was moving in the opposite direction. Just curious. As always, thanks in advance.
    I really hope to see this thread revived to it fullest again.
    Yeah, me too. The original thread had almost 1200 posts. I guess that after all this time there's still stuff to talk about. FoF, Az, and others, hope to see you drop by. Later.
    -Clay
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Originally posted by Clay

    Thanks for the input. Up until now, I had always thought that Retsu wasn't as strong as Gouken, but this is a possibility that shouldn't be overlooked. Gameplay doesn't always portray a character's true ability. Still... this does beg one question:
    If Retsu was strong enough to defeat Gen, then who defeated Retsu? I hope that he didn't take it easy on Ryu because he was Gouken's pupil. That sort of bastardizes the whole tournament.

    Saiki- Is there any more info on Gen's illness? When or how he contracted it and how exactly it affects him? I still wonder if it affected his SF1 performance. It seems like a logical cop-out to me. Also, would Retsu's practicing of "forbidden arts" possibly put a strain of his relationship with Gouken? It seems that by eliminating the lethal tendencies of his own art that Gouken was moving in the opposite direction. Just curious. As always, thanks in advance.



    If SFA 3 took place before SF1 there's a non cop out explanation. If Retsu fought Gen (assuming Gen's condition worsens with age) after SFA3 then it's possible for him to beat Gen in this weakened state. Hence it's possible for Ryu to beat Retsu. Retsu may not be as good as Gen but if Gen was sick, we may never know. Plus, Retsu and Gouken may have sparred, but they never had an all out fight. If all they did was sparr we can safely assume that Gouken held back to a certain extent so as not to hurt his friend. So Retsu is probably not on Gouken's level. That's the non-cop out explanation. The cop-out explanation is that Retsu just held back. Wouldn't be too far fetched. Capcom did it in SF3 with Alex and Gill.
  • UltimaUltima Retired SF Aristocrat Joined: Posts: 1,776 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Omigod. I don't show p for a week and find the ENTIRE forums wiped out? NO backup? Nooooo...


    For the love of God, somebody PLEASE tell me they saved the thread in some form or fashion! :(

    To sano:

    Yes, Cyberbots is in AAC. Sorry, I can't read it much. Ask Saiki.

    To tsj76:

    SFA3 takes place 3 years after SF1. Also, I think Retsu wasn't put into the Alphas because he had a very dull original gameplay design (he was just a shoto without any special moves IIRC).
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  • ClayClay Spooooooon!!! Joined: Posts: 108
    Re: Re: Warriors Fate: Street Fighter story thread, revived
    Originally posted by tsj76


    If SFA 3 took place before SF1 there's a non cop out explanation. If Retsu fought Gen (assuming Gen's condition worsens with age) after SFA3 then it's possible for him to beat Gen in this weakened state. Hence it's possible for Ryu to beat Retsu. Retsu may not be as good as Gen but if Gen was sick, we may never know. Plus, Retsu and Gouken may have sparred, but they never had an all out fight. If all they did was sparr we can safely assume that Gouken held back to a certain extent so as not to hurt his friend. So Retsu is probably not on Gouken's level. That's the non-cop out explanation. The cop-out explanation is that Retsu just held back. Wouldn't be too far fetched. Capcom did it in SF3 with Alex and Gill.

    SFA3 took place after SF1, any proof necessary lies within Sagat and his scar. Anyway, I didn't mean for cop-out to come off negatively, just as an easy answer for Capcom to use to clarify the story. I do still dislike the idea of Retsu holding back on Ryu. This is getting to the point where nobody takes a fight seriously any more. Ryu's status as a fighter drops every time I blink. Sagat holds back against him, Akuma/Gouki holds back against him, Oro holds back against him, and now we have Retsu who may have held back against him! For a fighting game, people really don't seem to be fighting much at all.

    As for Gen, I would like to know more about the illness. I still think that it would make the best explanation for the SF1 tourney. Then I could see Ryu or Retsu beating him.
    -Clay
  • TiamatRoarTiamatRoar The Grumpy Surly One Joined: Posts: 1,092
    Oh yea, I was wondering what happened to Lee, too. Never could figure that one out, exactly. Heard multiple explanations of him dissappearing...
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Well, first I'd like to say thanks to Tiamat for the SF Faq cause without it, then everything discussed would have been completely gone. We may no longer have that great thread but at least we have all the key info from it readily available.

    Just a quick question/observation - I was going thru one of my SF books called 'Capcom Illustrations' (or something like that) and there was a two page picture showing the schematics of the Shadaloo base. What got my attention were the pics of what I assume are Shadaloo soldiers - and they looked alot like C. Jack from the EX series! They have cowboy hats and ties. Now this is what I'm wondering: is the character design for ol' Cracker Jack based on these old sketches or is it purely coincidental. Could it be possible that C. Jack was a former soldier for Shadaloo? Man, too bad a SFEX storyline isn't around.

    Hey sano, I also work in NYC. Small world, huh :cool:
  • m121akumam121akuma Power to Tearer Joined: Posts: 1,993
    I'm glad someone decided to repost this thread.

    I have some questions about Akuma as a pupil of Goutetsu. Can I have the details about his path toward corruption, his killing Goutetsu, and his killing of Gouken? How old were Ryu and Ken when Gouken was killed. And is it true that Gouken was Akuma (gouki's) Brother? These questions may seem stupid, but i need the exact details so I can write a fanfic about Akuma...
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Well the Cyberbots series was very popular in Japan around the time the game was released I hear, Jin and Devilot were the most popular characters.

    Anyways, if anyone could fill me in the infomation that is presented in the Cyberbots section of the All About Capcom book, that would be cool. You can just IM it to me so all the information won't throw this topic off topic. :cool:

    I also like Jin's voice acting alot, I never knew who did it, thanks for the info sano. Zero Gouki (the Akuma mecha) didn't play any part in the story as it wasn't in the arcade versions.
  • SanoSano SRKSANO on PS4 Joined: Posts: 12,972 mod
    Gen2000 - You're welcome.

    Golden Hell - Yeah. If I remember reading C. Jack was a member of Shadowloo. If that outfit did used to represent Shadowloo's Soldier outfit, I wonder if it is replaced with the Military outfits they wear now?
  • TiamatRoarTiamatRoar The Grumpy Surly One Joined: Posts: 1,092
    Cracker Jack's storyline was that he was a skilled high ranked bouncer of Shadaloo or so, but he always enjoyed working alone, so when he was assigned to lead a group of recruits, he got pissed and left or something like that.

    Hmm... if that outfit is based on what the typical Shadaloo outfit is supposed to be, that'd actually be pretty interesting...
  • UltimaUltima Retired SF Aristocrat Joined: Posts: 1,776 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Originally posted by TiamatRoar
    Hmm... if that outfit is based on what the typical Shadaloo outfit is supposed to be, that'd actually be pretty interesting...

    Actually, I think that would be pretty stupid, since C.Jack is a pretty stupid character in every way (stupid look [he'e be salvageable if he'd lose the hat], stupid name, and they stupified his Balrog-ish moves; only thing that looks kinda cool is the Home Run Hero).

    Query: Isn'tt the tie worn by C.Jack in SFEX the same as the ones worn by the dolls, except that CJack's is a little longer?
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  • SaikiSaiki Joined: Posts: 99
    Clay
    The disease that Gen has is leukemia.
    And this is just my personal opinion but I think Retsu entered the tournament because Gouken asked him to beat Gen. Logically thinking, Ryu in his state would not have beaten Gen in SF1. The only problem is that Gen fights to the death. Hence if Ryu and Gen fought, Gen would've killed Ryu. And yes, if this were the case, Retsu did go easy on Ryu.
    And I don't think that Retsu praticing the forbidden art was a strain on Gouken. Forbidden art doesn't neccesarily mean lethal art.

    tsj76
    True, Retsu and Gouken never went past sparring and maybe went a little further but never had an all out fight. But neither has Ryu or Ken. Those two have never fought each other all out but they're not too far off each-other.

    Tiamat
    Lee......dunno, maybe he took over the Genhanten?(Gen's restaurant)

    Golden Hell
    I'd hope that it's just a coincidence. I'd suck if the Shadowloo soldiers dressed up like C Jack

    m121akuma
    He didnt really go corrupt. He just stayed true to his art, "Ansatsuken". And considerng that all three of them, Gouki, Gouken and Goutetsu, are all practicers of Ansatsuken. It's only natural for Gouki to challenge them to death. And Ryu and Ken were in their teens when Gouki was killed.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Saiki, can you enlighten us on how Chun-Li became friends with Ryu, Ken and Sakura?
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Originally posted by Grenade Falcon
    Saiki, can you enlighten us on how Chun-Li became friends with Ryu, Ken and Sakura?

    I remember there was one more thing about ChunLi,

    In Capcom vs. SNK2, she says 'surrender' to evil characters in the game.

    There are two exceptions to this:

    One, she addreses Sagat in this way even though he is not an evil character per se.

    Two, she DOESN'T addresss Satsui No Hadou/Killing intent awakened/Evil Ryu in this manner.
  • Golden DragonGolden Dragon Joined: Posts: 872
    What's up, everyone?

    Geez, a lot of new info has been gathered since I was last here. Sucks that this thread was wiped out, but I'm glad It's back and I'm glad to be back. Anyways, does anyone here have a scanned image of the Birdie & Titanic Tim official art? If so, could you post the link here? That'd be great. Peace out for now, everyone.
  • redwizredwiz Joined: Posts: 24
    Originally posted by Hcparker
    I remember there was one more thing about ChunLi,

    In Capcom vs. SNK2, she says 'surrender' to evil characters in the game.

    There are two exceptions to this:

    One, she addreses Sagat in this way even though he is not an evil character per se.

    Two, she DOESN'T addresss Satsui No Hadou/Killing intent awakened/Evil Ryu in this manner.
    She probably knows that Sagat was a member of Shadowloo. It would make sense for her to want to find out if he knows anything that could help her.

    She might not even know that he left Shadowloo.
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  • TiamatRoarTiamatRoar The Grumpy Surly One Joined: Posts: 1,092
    Maybe CvS2 Sagat is pre-SFA3 Sagat? Sagat was still a member of Shadaloo up until the end of SFA3. At the end of SFA2, he takes a vacation from it, but he hasn't quit it.

    Sagat's CvS2 ending says that he's glad to be the champion again or the mightiest or something, I think, which might be an indication that it's preSFA3 Sagat, too.
  • TarkanXTarkanX Joined: Posts: 869
    I have a question about some of the alpha 2 diologue, Guy says to Bison(i know they didn't fight) that he has beaten some one his soldiers, did Guy really fight Bisons soldiers?

    And Ryus final boss fight with Akuma says:

    Akuma:
    Well, we meet again!
    Ryu:
    It's been a while, Akuma.
    Ryu:
    So, have you gotten any better?
    Akuma:
    You tell me!



    Did they meet before or something before alpha 2(1988)? Because the plot faq shows no signs off that


    And I don't think Ryu takes Sakura seriously(as in he doesn't care for her):

    Sakura:
    I've been looking for you Ryu.
    Ryu:
    What do you want with me, little girl?
    Sakura:
    Is that anyway to talk? I'm your number one fan.
    Sakura:
    That's Ms. Little Girl to you!



    her ending:

    [Sakura approaches Ryu]
    Wait! Where are you going?
    I want to be stronger. I want to learn more.
    Please! Please teach me! Be my master!!!!
    I'm still learning myself. I don't have time for school girl games!
    You're on your own.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Originally posted by TarkanX
    And Ryus final boss fight with Akuma says:

    Akuma:
    Well, we meet again!
    Ryu:
    It's been a while, Akuma.
    Ryu:
    So, have you gotten any better?
    Akuma:
    You tell me!



    Did they meet before or something before alpha 2(1988)? Because the plot faq shows no signs off that

    Akuma is Gouken's brother, so of course Ryu would know about Akuma prior to SFA2.

    And I don't think Ryu takes Sakura seriously(as in he doesn't care for her):

    Sakura:
    I've been looking for you Ryu.
    Ryu:
    What do you want with me, little girl?
    Sakura:
    Is that anyway to talk? I'm your number one fan.
    Sakura:
    That's Ms. Little Girl to you!



    her ending:

    [Sakura approaches Ryu]
    Wait! Where are you going?
    I want to be stronger. I want to learn more.
    Please! Please teach me! Be my master!!!!
    I'm still learning myself. I don't have time for school girl games!
    You're on your own.

    Well, you do see a change in their relationship in Sakura's SFA3 ending. Sakura also appears in Ryu's A3 ending where all his friends/worthy opponents appear in his mind as he's in the process of overcoming Bison's Psycho Power. I don't see why Ryu wouldn't care about her at this point.
  • SaikiSaiki Joined: Posts: 99
    TarkanX
    Guy doesn't say anything along the lines of beating up one of Vega's soldiers. That is something that Cap USA put in.
    and Ryu vs Gouki dialogue isn't like that in Japanese version.
    Gouki
    .......! You, you're Gouken's......!
    Ryu
    I feel as if I've met you before, you're my masters............but this isn't a sparring match. I challenge you as a fighter!
    Gouki
    .........Hmph, Boy! It's been a long time since my blood boils!

    And Sakura vs Ryu dialogue isn't like that too. It goes like this

    Sakura
    Hehe, I've looked all over the place for! I've finally found you!
    Ryu
    ? And you are.....?
    Sakura
    I saw you fighting one time......and now I'm addicted to Street Fighting! I've even learned your special moves! Hey can i challenge you! I think I'm pretty good!

    ending
    Sakura
    um....wait! I want to get stronger. I want to learn more...........so please! Will you teach me more skills! Will you be my master!
    Ryu
    ...........I am still under training. I do not have the right to teach others. You can get stronger yet. With your own skills............

    And I remember someone asking about the dialogue between Gen and Ryu in Z3 so here it is.

    Gen
    I did not expect to meet such a young user of the Ansatsuken near my death........... This world still has it's joy's left......
    Ryu
    That stance, it is the art used for killing..........
    Gen
    And what if it were?
    Ryu
    He's strong! I can feel his strength just by standing infront of him!

    after battle
    Gen
    His art seems the same yet different from Ansatsuken.....a pure, fist. Without cloudness.........But why does it bother my heart so? Is it because I faced another user of Ansatsuken? Or is it because of the power's that lies within this man..........
  • TiamatRoarTiamatRoar The Grumpy Surly One Joined: Posts: 1,092
    ....holy crap, did Capcom of USA butcher the translations. O_o

    Well, at any rate, I imagine this does confirm that Ryu never fought Gen in the SF1 tournament, though...

    On a side note, isn't Leukemia supposed to be a childhood disease? Strange Capcom :eek: ...come to think of it, while it's somewhat deadly, it's not exactly the type of disease that I'd pin as one of the deadliest...

    I guess Lee taking over Genhanten might explain why Yun and Yang call it the 'family restaurant'. ...at least, assuming that restaurant is the same as Genhanten. Ack! I'm so confused! And... Yun and Yang currently seem like orphans or that their father is gone or something too, but dunno about that, either. Doh!
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    :eek: Whoa, so that's the TRUE dialogue in SFA2? Shit! That does make a lot more sense!

    Okay, and this brings up another question:

    Why the fuck can't Capcom of Japan and Capcom of USA ever cooperate with each other? I mean, CoA does not develop the stories that happen in the games, so the least they could do is respectfully obey CoJ by not screwing around with Akuma's story and translating the dialogue properly.

    Thank you so much, Saiki! :D
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Saiki could you give us Guy's real dialouge with Vega?

    What's he really saying?

    Also when Ryu confronts Gouki (not sure about the game)

    in the US version, Ryu says "I will avenge my master" and Gouki responds with "you will follow him".

    Is that what's said the Japanese version?
  • UltimaUltima Retired SF Aristocrat Joined: Posts: 1,776 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    I thought it was official that Lee was dead? Or is he merely under "vanished" status and I'm remembering one of the many OG SF rumours?
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    Probably none of you guys know who I am...but I'm a faithfull reader.
    I was crushed when I saw that the thread was gone...


    Anyway...In the first page there was some complaining about people taking it easy with Ryu...

    I think that most fighters realize that Ryu has an inmense potential...I think that they all want Ryu to reach a higher level of fighting skill. Even Gen realizes that Ryu isnt like any other fighter that he has met. Ryu has the heart of the true fighter...not fighting to kill but to improve himself and to superate his flaws...

    Most fighters respect that.
    Mostly the ones that are on higher levels...they're waiting on Ryu so they can a have a more intense match at least that is what I think.

    If you see a little boy on an arcade who is chalenging you in SF for the first time...wouldnt you go a little easy on the kid?

    If you tryed to teach him some moves and see that he can do them easily...wouldnt you like the kid to improve so you can have a better fight with him?

    Just my thoughts.
  • SanoSano SRKSANO on PS4 Joined: Posts: 12,972 mod
    On Sagat in the Vs. Games - Well, at least in SNK vs. Capcom, Sagat is still a member of Shadowloo. He can be seen with the other theree lords of Shadowloo before Vega sends Balrog after you prior to the Mid-Boss battle. I don't think that SVC and CVS really contradict each other. In SVC Geese and Vega swear to get revenge on you after you beat the game, hence they're the bosses of CVS. Also, neither of the games take Joe very seriously. In SVC it is stated that he lost to Adon and in CVS he's teamed up with Dan and wins the Tournament the same way Dragonball's Mr. Satan wins Tourneys - All the heavy hitters are away fighting the real fight. This may just be a coincidence, though. I suppose Chun-Li says what she does to Sagat in CVS2 because Shad Sagat is more well known to non-SF fanatics than Honorable Sagat. Just Guessing.

    Gen2000 - Whoops! I wanted to comment on this earlier but I was a little busy. Muchas Gracias on the info about Jin and Devilot's popularity and the fact that Zero Gouki is only in the home version. Funny, kind of mirrors Jin's Tech Romancer appearance.

    Oh, a side note about Zero Gouki - In the EXTREMELY unofficial Hong Kong SF3 New Generation comic, Gouki channeled the Ki of the Zero Gouki Robot! This comic also featured the death of Dan, Balrog, Sagat and Feilong and also showed Satsui No Ryu re-attaching his chopped of arm to it's severed limb ala Absorbing Man in Secret Wars so it REALLY can't be taken seriously. Cool art work though!
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Originally posted by el cabron #1
    Probably none of you guys know who I am...but I'm a faithfull reader.
    I was crushed when I saw that the thread was gone...


    Anyway...In the first page there was some complaining about people taking it easy with Ryu...

    I think that most fighters realize that Ryu has an inmense potential...I think that they all want Ryu to reach a higher level of fighting skill. Even Gen realizes that Ryu isnt like any other fighter that he has met. Ryu has the heart of the true fighter...not fighting to kill but to improve himself and to superate his flaws...

    Most fighters respect that.
    Mostly the ones that are on higher levels...they're waiting on Ryu so they can a have a more intense match at least that is what I think.

    If you see a little boy on an arcade who is chalenging you in SF for the first time...wouldnt you go a little easy on the kid?

    If you tryed to teach him some moves and see that he can do them easily...wouldnt you like the kid to improve so you can have a better fight with him?

    Just my thoughts.

    Well, actually... I DESTROY children. As Guile said, "Easy win."

    But what you said does make sense in the fact that many people saw that he has great potential, even Akuma and Oro, both of whom he has NEVER beaten. But I think that when anyone else fights Ryu, besides Gouki of course, they take the anti-Akuma approach and either let him advance or hold back. Well, I guess that does exclude Oro also, but then again Oro wants to train him. And Akuma, while does want Ryu to advance and become stronger, will only get one fight with Ryu as he will either killed or be killed.

    Well, now that I have addressed your question, I have one of my own: Does anyone think that Guy has a crush on Rose in SFA3?

    I mean he even saves her life without even meeting her before, unless Guy met in SFA2, which don't think he did. And even then, he seems to care for her more than he does Cody, who was his best friend. But then again, doesn't Guy have a girlfriend already, and that was why Maki was looking for him anyway? Damn, so :confused:.

    Saiki, can you give the original ending dialouge of Guy in SFA3 and the original sub-boss dialouge with Rose?
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    I'm begining to wonder if Chunli REALLY knows what's going on.

    It would be funny if Capcom announced the official ending of the Second Tournament was Guile getting ready to fight Vega, only to see Gouki warp in, Kill Vega, ignore Guile (and or insult him) and then leave.
  • Golden DragonGolden Dragon Joined: Posts: 872
    Yo Tiamat, I'm pretty sure it was Cody who directly/personally knocked Belger out of the window, because during FF2's intro, you see a pic/screen shot of Cody uppercutting Belger through/out the window. Also, I believe Oro's Fighting Style/Martial Art is called "Senjutu," 'cuz my old EGM issue that gives a complete report on SF3:NG refers to it as "Senjutu" and so does this official pic of him:
    http://www.capcomasia.com.hk/sf3/oro.html
  • TiamatRoarTiamatRoar The Grumpy Surly One Joined: Posts: 1,092
    Is it possible that Senjutu just means "old" and isn't a fighting style? I know that Senjin means "old master"... Hmm.

    But thanks^^ This also confirmed that Makoto's dojo was the Rindoukan Dojo, as well as Yun and Yang's nicknames. Was looking for that :P

    And... on a random note, the guy that was the head scientist in the G project that produced Twelve was Dr. Kure, right?

    Hmm... this also says that the girl kidnapped by Urien was Chun-Li's kung fu student even before she was kidnapped. Wow, I didn't know that...
  • m121akumam121akuma Power to Tearer Joined: Posts: 1,993
    Thanks for the help *rushes off too start the fic, then stops* Wait...Isn't it true that Gouken had a daughter, and she was the only real witness to Gouken's death...Just making sure...
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  • Golden DragonGolden Dragon Joined: Posts: 872
    Tiamat, you may be right 'bout the whole Senjutu thing, but in my EGM, it says:
    "His (Oro's) Senjyutu style is very artistic, and he searches for a worthy student to succeed him." I think it might be the name of his style.
  • Golden DragonGolden Dragon Joined: Posts: 872
    m121akuma
    Yes, that's correct, although, Ken showed up at the very end of the battle. Btw Tiamat, who's this "Ataru" guy who drew those sweet pics of the Dolls and Gouken's daughter? Is he a well-known fan-artist or something?
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    IS everyone in Fan Fiction besides Millardo ignoring me?!

    Fine then.
  • ClayClay Spooooooon!!! Joined: Posts: 108
    Man, this thread has really taken off in the last day or so. Good to see the influx of info. Thanks Saiki for all of the responses. I'll post more once I catch up.
  • TiamatRoarTiamatRoar The Grumpy Surly One Joined: Posts: 1,092
    Guy's fiance (not just girlfriend :P) is Rena, who's Maki's sister.

    Maki is looking for him most likely so she can challenge him to become the next Bushin Master. Capcom vs SNK 2 says that's the reason, and it's probably right, even if the events of the game itself are a dream match.

    Guy met Rose as Rose's mid-boss battle with him in SFA3. He thinks she's too suicidal because even though a Bushin master must risk his life to maintain balance, it's stupid to just throw it away on purpose like Rose is doing, so he follows Rose and catches up to her in her ending, but by then it's "too late". That's about it, really, as far as I know. He's not saving her because he loves her or anything, I'm pretty sure. He's just doing it because he and Rose are on the same side and Guy IS a good guy so he's supposed to save people, anyways :p
  • ClayClay Spooooooon!!! Joined: Posts: 108
    Saiki:
    -Thanks for the answers. So Gen has leukemia, Im glad that they stated his actual illness. Also, if Retsu was that skilled, then was he possibly stronger than Gouken? If Retsu can hang with Gen, then does that mean that he is close to or comparable to even Gouki. Of course, this is all speculation, but I would like to hear your opinion on the subject.
    -About Lee, isnt he dead/MIA? I thought that Yun and Yangs parents were missing.
    And Ryu and Ken were in their teens when Gouki was killed.
    -I thought that Ryu was about 23 when Gouken was killed. Didnt this take place at about the same time as his fight with Sagat? I thought that he was 23 then. That makes Ken about 22-23 at the time as well.

    Tiamat:
    -Im not sure what disease youre thinking of, but it isnt leukemia. Leukemia is a cancer of sorts, cancer of the blood I guess. It can occur at any age, and is extremely painful and in fact fatal. It can be treated, but can also go into remission, which makes it difficult to cure. This actually makes a lot of sense in the SF storyline. I had always figured that Gen had some sort of blood defect or disorder.

    Sho 2:
    -Im pretty sure that Guy meets Rose before she confronts Vega. He (Guy) tries to persuade Rose not to throw her life away and warns her of Vegas power. Guy does have a girlfriend and shes Makis sister (Rena?). Guy seems to have a theme of confronting/warning people who seek Vega. This is reinforced by his fights with Karin, Gen, Gouki, and Rose. Even if most of those arent official, it seems to point at his role in Z3.
    EDIT: Tiamat also just posted this.

    el cabron
    -I understand that, Im just saying that sometimes it feels like Ryus being babied. Its obvious to us that hes lost more than a few times, but this is almost never indicated in the actual games. I just wish that Capcom would show him getting smacked around a little bit instead of going back to the games and pulling it out of nowhere. Its frustrating, but I guess were all used to it.

    I guess itll take more than a measly forums crash to stop this thread.
    -Clay

    PS Extra thanks Saiki for the translations. I had been waiting for a while to see some of those.:D
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    another question concerning chun-li: was she ever a news reporter? in the SF action movie, they made her up as a news reporter (of course its non-canon, but is their some truth to it).

    AND one of her third strike win quotes says something like: "Hey, leave me alone, i'm a fighter, not a news reporter!"
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Originally posted by tool_028
    another question concerning chun-li: was she ever a news reporter?

    No.
    AND one of her third strike win quotes says something like: "Hey, leave me alone, i'm a fighter, not a news reporter!"

    Probably just an inside joke made by Capcom of USA.
  • SaikiSaiki Joined: Posts: 99
    Here's the Guy vs Vega dialogue from Z2
    Vega
    Hmph.....an old art. One who lives in the shadows, do you plan on raising your name by defeating me?
    Guy
    I have no interest in such a cause! I move only for "justice"!
    Vega
    "Justice"......every time I hear that word, it discusts me!
    Guy
    I challenge you!

    And Z3
    Vega
    Bushinryu...........I finally remembered. You are a dangerous figure infront of my Psycho power and must be destroyed. I can't stand my plans being interfiered......
    Guy
    So you are the one who disrupts the flow of nature
    Vega
    Hmph............I've had many names in the course of mankinds history..........and every one of them...........struck fear in men! Prepare yourself boy..........no the warrior of Bushin!!

    Clay
    dam, my bad. you're right though, Ryu wasn't in his teens when Gouken died. Old habit of me saying that way back then....
    And about Retsu. I think he is pretty close to Gouki. And I even have a reason/theory. Remember when I said that only Ken and Gouken's daughter(I need a name for her, so I'll call her Mana) saw Gouken get killed by Gouki. Both Ken and Mana(although not as strong as Ryu/Ken) are fighters. I'm pretty sure that they both would've tried to take on Gouki. And if Gouki is challenged by a strong or weak opponent, he fights to the death. The only exception is if Gouki knows the other fighter possess a great potential or is held back by something. So there had to have been a something that stopped Gouki from killing Ken and Mana. It's already a known fact that Gouki really doesnt pay too much attention to Ken. And I'm pretty sure Mana doesnt have a great fighting potential, although I may be wrong. So the only one who could've stopped Gouki is Retsu, who is Gouken's friend. This is just my theory and I just used the name Mana because I got sick of always typing Gouken's daughter.
  • TiamatRoarTiamatRoar The Grumpy Surly One Joined: Posts: 1,092
    Oh yea, as far as I know, Ataru's just some fan artist who apparently likes to draw fan art of 'underdog' characters. He also seems to be a big Doll fan. :D
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Originally posted by sano
    Gen2000 - Whoops! I wanted to comment on this earlier but I was a little busy. Muchas Gracias on the info about Jin and Devilot's popularity and the fact that Zero Gouki is only in the home version. Funny, kind of mirrors Jin's Tech Romancer appearance.

    Oh, a side note about Zero Gouki - In the EXTREMELY unofficial Hong Kong SF3 New Generation comic, Gouki channeled the Ki of the Zero Gouki Robot! This comic also featured the death of Dan, Balrog, Sagat and Feilong and also showed Satsui No Ryu re-attaching his chopped of arm to it's severed limb ala Absorbing Man in Secret Wars so it REALLY can't be taken seriously. Cool art work though!

    Np, big Jin fan so, I try gather all the little info I can on the Cyberbots series that I can (which isn't much as of late, lol).

    I basically bought Tech Romancer only cause I heard Jin was gonna be in the home version of the game (he wasn't in the arcades versions and doesn't have a real storyline, more of an easter egg from Capcom than anything).

    That comic you mentin sounds crazy, lol, wish I could see it. To keep this on topic, notice how Jin just looks like an mega angry Ryu in a jumpsuit? lol. Also, Ryu is in Jin's ending in MvC1 holding his scarf, I know the Vs. series storylines shouldn't be taken seriously, but I thought that was cool. Maybe Jin is related to Ryu someway in the future (Ryu being his greatx 40 grandfather or something, lol) Also, Jin's father that died was name Ken Saotome.....Ken Saotome..Ken Masters..hint, hint? lol, j/king, ignore that last part, just something I notice with the two series.
  • SanoSano SRKSANO on PS4 Joined: Posts: 12,972 mod
    On Guy and Rose - Yeah, I always thought there was something between the two until I found out Guy had a girl. Guess it doesn't matter now since it looks like the two are pushing up daisys, but maybe they can hook up in the afterlife if possible. (?) Unless of course, Guy's trapped in some hell where he has to relive the events of Final Fight one over, and over, and over again! - Joking.

    Gen2000 - I brought Tech Romancer for the same exact reason (I never even played Cyberbots, so it was my big chance to pilot Blodia!) but Tech Romancer turned out to be a great game anyway. I really dig the Anime intro you can unlock and I wish more fighting games like this one and KOF Dream Match had Anime intros.

    More on that Hong Kong SF New Generation Comic - It really was crazy! A full color issue came out every single week for over 200 weeks! For some reason, if you missed a week you were screwed because the stores wouldn't keep them on the rack. My proudest/most pathetic SF fanatic moment was when I twisted my ankle, was advised to stay home and limped all the way to the store to buy an issue! Anyway, after Satsui No Ryu placed his severed arm back on I kind of lost interest because that was even to stupid for me. Furthermore, after about 200 issues it seemed like the comic would NEVER end. Also, Masahiko Nakahira's Ryu Final Manga was being released at the same time so I got more into that and it became my favorite SF comic of all time.
  • TarkanXTarkanX Joined: Posts: 869
    I have a question about the super moves power, double impact shows same cases of how powerful the super move is, but do you know how powerful other super moves are?

    example(double impact):


    Akuma:
    Messatsu Gou-Hadou/Tenma Gou-Zanku:
    "Your mild power can't even be compared to the strength fueled by
    murderous intent!"
    "Pathetic! You have completely submitted to the might of my wave motion
    power!"

    Messatsu Gou-Shoryu:
    "My murderous Shoryu crushed you! A suitably cruel finish...."
    "Your soul is worth only ashes now...."

    Messatsu Gou-Rasen/Messatsu Gou-Senpuu:
    "Driven by murderous intent.... No one can compete with my power!!"
    "My murderous intent shall never fade.... Perish!"



    Alex:
    Boomerang Raid:
    "The Boomerang Raid is meant to demolish your defense!"
    "With an ending like that, I'm quite happy with my performance.... A
    combination Super Art finish!"

    Dudley:
    Rocket Uppercut:
    "Rocket Uppercut!! It strikes the heavens in unequaled glory!"
    "The End!! What a stylish victory!"

    Rolling Thunder:
    "Rolling Thunder.... Did you ever think it could end so dramatically?"
    "Now you have seen the power, devastation, and fury of the Rolling
    Thunder!"

    Corkscrew Blow:
    "Corkscrew!! It has the devastating power of a hurricane!"
    "The Corkscrew was a perfect finisher...I did not think you could
    withstand it!"

    Elena:
    Spinning Beat:
    "I won by the Spinning Beat! It was a great fight!"
    "Kicking gracefully as if I'm dancing. That's the essence of the Spinning
    Beat!!"

    Brave Dance:
    "I express my gratitude for the honor of fighting you. That's the meaning
    of the Brave Dance!"
    "The Brave Dance was born from the nature of Africa. Will you celebrate
    with me?"


    Gill:
    Meteor Strike:
    "Defeating me would mean leading the world to destruction. Accept your
    divine punishment!"
    "With your ignorance, you only see destruction. It is in fact, a prelude
    to rebirth!"


    Hugo:
    Hammer Frenzy:
    "Craaaaash!"
    "Behold my real power!"


    Ibuki:
    Kasumi-Suzaku:
    "Ninjitsu Kasumi-Suzaku!"
    "The shuriken can be more effective than punches and kicks."

    Yoroi-Doushi:
    "This is my ultimate move, the Yoroi-Doushi!"
    "This is Ibuki's super favorite move! Did you like it?"

    Hashin-Sho:
    "It's my super fast Hashin-Sho! I know you could feel it!"
    "My super move can break your heart! ...Just kidding! Tee-hee!"



    Ken:
    Shoryu-reppa:
    "Shoryu-reppa! Feel the burn...."
    "Shoryu-reppa is the ultimate combination move!"

    Shinryu-ken:
    "Shinryu-ken!! Sometimes it's more important to have a stylish victory
    than a quick one!"
    "The "dragon" within me is always ready to strike! You should know from
    experience."

    Shippu-jinrai-kyaku:
    "My Shippu-jinrai-kyaku is faster than the wind!"
    "Feel the full force of my Shippu-jinrai-kyaku! It's the best!"


    Necro:
    Magnetic Storm:
    "It's time to finish this! Electric Shock Storm!!!!!"
    "You've felt the Shock Storm! Now tell me who's the greatest fighter of
    all!"

    Electric Snake:
    "You fell for it.... Bad footwork means being a victim of the Electric
    Snake!"
    "Electric Strike Finish! Wow.... That felt great!"


    Oro:
    Yagyou Dama:
    "A dream, a phantom, and an illusion. That's the meaning of the Yagyou
    Dama!"
    "It does not strike you, yet you'll be dragged into it. That's the secret
    of the Yagyou Dama."

    Tengu Stone:
    "The Tengu Stone can draw upon the force of objects everywhere!"
    "Cheap? Well.... So do you have something to say about my Tengu Stone?"


    Ryu:
    Shinkuu Hadou-Ken:
    "The ultimate form of wave motion attack...Shinkuu...the power of vacuum
    energy!"
    "Shinkuu Hadou-Ken!! It's unstopable power still amazes me!"

    Shin Shoryuken:
    "You've just experienced the Shin Shoryuken!! Tell me if you've seen any
    greater force!"
    "Yes, that is the nature of the attack. If it strikes, you will be
    crushed!"

    Denjin Hadou-Ken:
    "Denjin! The electric bite of the Thunder God cannot be stopped!"
    "Concentrated energy...the longer it builds up, the more devastating it
    becomes!"


    Sean:
    Hadou-Burst:
    "Hadou-Burst! All right!!!"
    "Wave Motion Burst!! This rocks!"

    Shoryu-Cannon:
    "I won with my Shoryu-Cannon! I'm the best!"
    "Yes! My Shoryu-Cannon rules all!"

    Hyper Tornado:
    "Hyper Tornado!!! You fell for it!!!"
    "Hyper Tornado!!! I did it!!!"



    Urien:
    Tyrant Slaughter:
    "My body is as hard as iron! My ultimate attack mashes like a
    cannonball!"
    "I have finished you! Stand against me, and be destroyed."

    Temporal Thunder:
    "My enormous power is inescapable!"
    "Feel the spirit of the true Emperor! Suffer now in your surrender!"

    Aegis Reflector:
    "Can't you see how pathetic your attacks are!"
    "My perfect guard! Nobody can break it!"


    Yang:
    Raishin-Mahhaken:
    "My Raishin-Mahhaken is formidable when used properly...."
    "You thought it would be a close battle? Nobody can beat my Raishin-
    Mahhaken!"

    Tenshin-Senkyutai
    "Because of your sloppy defense, I got to finish you with my Tenshin-
    Senkyutai!"
    "There's no way you could escape my Tenshin-Senkyutai!"

    Seiei-Enbu
    "Did my Seiei-Enbu confuse you? Is age dulling your senses?"
    "Look! How many of myself are there? Count them quickly! Time's up!"


    Yun:
    You-Hou:
    "Your jaw! Did I break it with my You-Hou?"
    "Finishing with one You-Hou.... That's such a great feeling!"

    Sourai-Rengeki:
    "My Sourai-Rengeki is a cool move, eh?"
    "My Sourai-Rengeki can't be stopped!"

    Genei-Jin:
    "Learning to avoid is an essential skill.... Although you can't escape my
    Genei-Jin...."
    "Genei-Jin is too fast to be seen! Perhaps you should just sit there and
    let me hit you!"
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