Warriors Fate: Street Fighter story thread, revived

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  • ClayClay Spooooooon!!! Joined: Posts: 108
    Man, this thread has really taken off in the last day or so. Good to see the influx of info. Thanks Saiki for all of the responses. I'll post more once I catch up.
  • TiamatRoarTiamatRoar The Grumpy Surly One Joined: Posts: 1,092
    Guy's fiance (not just girlfriend :P) is Rena, who's Maki's sister.

    Maki is looking for him most likely so she can challenge him to become the next Bushin Master. Capcom vs SNK 2 says that's the reason, and it's probably right, even if the events of the game itself are a dream match.

    Guy met Rose as Rose's mid-boss battle with him in SFA3. He thinks she's too suicidal because even though a Bushin master must risk his life to maintain balance, it's stupid to just throw it away on purpose like Rose is doing, so he follows Rose and catches up to her in her ending, but by then it's "too late". That's about it, really, as far as I know. He's not saving her because he loves her or anything, I'm pretty sure. He's just doing it because he and Rose are on the same side and Guy IS a good guy so he's supposed to save people, anyways :p
  • ClayClay Spooooooon!!! Joined: Posts: 108
    Saiki:
    -Thanks for the answers. So Gen has leukemia, Im glad that they stated his actual illness. Also, if Retsu was that skilled, then was he possibly stronger than Gouken? If Retsu can hang with Gen, then does that mean that he is close to or comparable to even Gouki. Of course, this is all speculation, but I would like to hear your opinion on the subject.
    -About Lee, isnt he dead/MIA? I thought that Yun and Yangs parents were missing.
    And Ryu and Ken were in their teens when Gouki was killed.
    -I thought that Ryu was about 23 when Gouken was killed. Didnt this take place at about the same time as his fight with Sagat? I thought that he was 23 then. That makes Ken about 22-23 at the time as well.

    Tiamat:
    -Im not sure what disease youre thinking of, but it isnt leukemia. Leukemia is a cancer of sorts, cancer of the blood I guess. It can occur at any age, and is extremely painful and in fact fatal. It can be treated, but can also go into remission, which makes it difficult to cure. This actually makes a lot of sense in the SF storyline. I had always figured that Gen had some sort of blood defect or disorder.

    Sho 2:
    -Im pretty sure that Guy meets Rose before she confronts Vega. He (Guy) tries to persuade Rose not to throw her life away and warns her of Vegas power. Guy does have a girlfriend and shes Makis sister (Rena?). Guy seems to have a theme of confronting/warning people who seek Vega. This is reinforced by his fights with Karin, Gen, Gouki, and Rose. Even if most of those arent official, it seems to point at his role in Z3.
    EDIT: Tiamat also just posted this.

    el cabron
    -I understand that, Im just saying that sometimes it feels like Ryus being babied. Its obvious to us that hes lost more than a few times, but this is almost never indicated in the actual games. I just wish that Capcom would show him getting smacked around a little bit instead of going back to the games and pulling it out of nowhere. Its frustrating, but I guess were all used to it.

    I guess itll take more than a measly forums crash to stop this thread.
    -Clay

    PS Extra thanks Saiki for the translations. I had been waiting for a while to see some of those.:D
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    another question concerning chun-li: was she ever a news reporter? in the SF action movie, they made her up as a news reporter (of course its non-canon, but is their some truth to it).

    AND one of her third strike win quotes says something like: "Hey, leave me alone, i'm a fighter, not a news reporter!"
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Originally posted by tool_028
    another question concerning chun-li: was she ever a news reporter?

    No.
    AND one of her third strike win quotes says something like: "Hey, leave me alone, i'm a fighter, not a news reporter!"

    Probably just an inside joke made by Capcom of USA.
  • SaikiSaiki Joined: Posts: 99
    Here's the Guy vs Vega dialogue from Z2
    Vega
    Hmph.....an old art. One who lives in the shadows, do you plan on raising your name by defeating me?
    Guy
    I have no interest in such a cause! I move only for "justice"!
    Vega
    "Justice"......every time I hear that word, it discusts me!
    Guy
    I challenge you!

    And Z3
    Vega
    Bushinryu...........I finally remembered. You are a dangerous figure infront of my Psycho power and must be destroyed. I can't stand my plans being interfiered......
    Guy
    So you are the one who disrupts the flow of nature
    Vega
    Hmph............I've had many names in the course of mankinds history..........and every one of them...........struck fear in men! Prepare yourself boy..........no the warrior of Bushin!!

    Clay
    dam, my bad. you're right though, Ryu wasn't in his teens when Gouken died. Old habit of me saying that way back then....
    And about Retsu. I think he is pretty close to Gouki. And I even have a reason/theory. Remember when I said that only Ken and Gouken's daughter(I need a name for her, so I'll call her Mana) saw Gouken get killed by Gouki. Both Ken and Mana(although not as strong as Ryu/Ken) are fighters. I'm pretty sure that they both would've tried to take on Gouki. And if Gouki is challenged by a strong or weak opponent, he fights to the death. The only exception is if Gouki knows the other fighter possess a great potential or is held back by something. So there had to have been a something that stopped Gouki from killing Ken and Mana. It's already a known fact that Gouki really doesnt pay too much attention to Ken. And I'm pretty sure Mana doesnt have a great fighting potential, although I may be wrong. So the only one who could've stopped Gouki is Retsu, who is Gouken's friend. This is just my theory and I just used the name Mana because I got sick of always typing Gouken's daughter.
  • TiamatRoarTiamatRoar The Grumpy Surly One Joined: Posts: 1,092
    Oh yea, as far as I know, Ataru's just some fan artist who apparently likes to draw fan art of 'underdog' characters. He also seems to be a big Doll fan. :D
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Originally posted by sano
    Gen2000 - Whoops! I wanted to comment on this earlier but I was a little busy. Muchas Gracias on the info about Jin and Devilot's popularity and the fact that Zero Gouki is only in the home version. Funny, kind of mirrors Jin's Tech Romancer appearance.

    Oh, a side note about Zero Gouki - In the EXTREMELY unofficial Hong Kong SF3 New Generation comic, Gouki channeled the Ki of the Zero Gouki Robot! This comic also featured the death of Dan, Balrog, Sagat and Feilong and also showed Satsui No Ryu re-attaching his chopped of arm to it's severed limb ala Absorbing Man in Secret Wars so it REALLY can't be taken seriously. Cool art work though!

    Np, big Jin fan so, I try gather all the little info I can on the Cyberbots series that I can (which isn't much as of late, lol).

    I basically bought Tech Romancer only cause I heard Jin was gonna be in the home version of the game (he wasn't in the arcades versions and doesn't have a real storyline, more of an easter egg from Capcom than anything).

    That comic you mentin sounds crazy, lol, wish I could see it. To keep this on topic, notice how Jin just looks like an mega angry Ryu in a jumpsuit? lol. Also, Ryu is in Jin's ending in MvC1 holding his scarf, I know the Vs. series storylines shouldn't be taken seriously, but I thought that was cool. Maybe Jin is related to Ryu someway in the future (Ryu being his greatx 40 grandfather or something, lol) Also, Jin's father that died was name Ken Saotome.....Ken Saotome..Ken Masters..hint, hint? lol, j/king, ignore that last part, just something I notice with the two series.
  • SanoSano SRKSANO on PS4 Joined: Posts: 13,064 mod
    On Guy and Rose - Yeah, I always thought there was something between the two until I found out Guy had a girl. Guess it doesn't matter now since it looks like the two are pushing up daisys, but maybe they can hook up in the afterlife if possible. (?) Unless of course, Guy's trapped in some hell where he has to relive the events of Final Fight one over, and over, and over again! - Joking.

    Gen2000 - I brought Tech Romancer for the same exact reason (I never even played Cyberbots, so it was my big chance to pilot Blodia!) but Tech Romancer turned out to be a great game anyway. I really dig the Anime intro you can unlock and I wish more fighting games like this one and KOF Dream Match had Anime intros.

    More on that Hong Kong SF New Generation Comic - It really was crazy! A full color issue came out every single week for over 200 weeks! For some reason, if you missed a week you were screwed because the stores wouldn't keep them on the rack. My proudest/most pathetic SF fanatic moment was when I twisted my ankle, was advised to stay home and limped all the way to the store to buy an issue! Anyway, after Satsui No Ryu placed his severed arm back on I kind of lost interest because that was even to stupid for me. Furthermore, after about 200 issues it seemed like the comic would NEVER end. Also, Masahiko Nakahira's Ryu Final Manga was being released at the same time so I got more into that and it became my favorite SF comic of all time.
  • TarkanXTarkanX Joined: Posts: 869
    I have a question about the super moves power, double impact shows same cases of how powerful the super move is, but do you know how powerful other super moves are?

    example(double impact):


    Akuma:
    Messatsu Gou-Hadou/Tenma Gou-Zanku:
    "Your mild power can't even be compared to the strength fueled by
    murderous intent!"
    "Pathetic! You have completely submitted to the might of my wave motion
    power!"

    Messatsu Gou-Shoryu:
    "My murderous Shoryu crushed you! A suitably cruel finish...."
    "Your soul is worth only ashes now...."

    Messatsu Gou-Rasen/Messatsu Gou-Senpuu:
    "Driven by murderous intent.... No one can compete with my power!!"
    "My murderous intent shall never fade.... Perish!"



    Alex:
    Boomerang Raid:
    "The Boomerang Raid is meant to demolish your defense!"
    "With an ending like that, I'm quite happy with my performance.... A
    combination Super Art finish!"

    Dudley:
    Rocket Uppercut:
    "Rocket Uppercut!! It strikes the heavens in unequaled glory!"
    "The End!! What a stylish victory!"

    Rolling Thunder:
    "Rolling Thunder.... Did you ever think it could end so dramatically?"
    "Now you have seen the power, devastation, and fury of the Rolling
    Thunder!"

    Corkscrew Blow:
    "Corkscrew!! It has the devastating power of a hurricane!"
    "The Corkscrew was a perfect finisher...I did not think you could
    withstand it!"

    Elena:
    Spinning Beat:
    "I won by the Spinning Beat! It was a great fight!"
    "Kicking gracefully as if I'm dancing. That's the essence of the Spinning
    Beat!!"

    Brave Dance:
    "I express my gratitude for the honor of fighting you. That's the meaning
    of the Brave Dance!"
    "The Brave Dance was born from the nature of Africa. Will you celebrate
    with me?"


    Gill:
    Meteor Strike:
    "Defeating me would mean leading the world to destruction. Accept your
    divine punishment!"
    "With your ignorance, you only see destruction. It is in fact, a prelude
    to rebirth!"


    Hugo:
    Hammer Frenzy:
    "Craaaaash!"
    "Behold my real power!"


    Ibuki:
    Kasumi-Suzaku:
    "Ninjitsu Kasumi-Suzaku!"
    "The shuriken can be more effective than punches and kicks."

    Yoroi-Doushi:
    "This is my ultimate move, the Yoroi-Doushi!"
    "This is Ibuki's super favorite move! Did you like it?"

    Hashin-Sho:
    "It's my super fast Hashin-Sho! I know you could feel it!"
    "My super move can break your heart! ...Just kidding! Tee-hee!"



    Ken:
    Shoryu-reppa:
    "Shoryu-reppa! Feel the burn...."
    "Shoryu-reppa is the ultimate combination move!"

    Shinryu-ken:
    "Shinryu-ken!! Sometimes it's more important to have a stylish victory
    than a quick one!"
    "The "dragon" within me is always ready to strike! You should know from
    experience."

    Shippu-jinrai-kyaku:
    "My Shippu-jinrai-kyaku is faster than the wind!"
    "Feel the full force of my Shippu-jinrai-kyaku! It's the best!"


    Necro:
    Magnetic Storm:
    "It's time to finish this! Electric Shock Storm!!!!!"
    "You've felt the Shock Storm! Now tell me who's the greatest fighter of
    all!"

    Electric Snake:
    "You fell for it.... Bad footwork means being a victim of the Electric
    Snake!"
    "Electric Strike Finish! Wow.... That felt great!"


    Oro:
    Yagyou Dama:
    "A dream, a phantom, and an illusion. That's the meaning of the Yagyou
    Dama!"
    "It does not strike you, yet you'll be dragged into it. That's the secret
    of the Yagyou Dama."

    Tengu Stone:
    "The Tengu Stone can draw upon the force of objects everywhere!"
    "Cheap? Well.... So do you have something to say about my Tengu Stone?"


    Ryu:
    Shinkuu Hadou-Ken:
    "The ultimate form of wave motion attack...Shinkuu...the power of vacuum
    energy!"
    "Shinkuu Hadou-Ken!! It's unstopable power still amazes me!"

    Shin Shoryuken:
    "You've just experienced the Shin Shoryuken!! Tell me if you've seen any
    greater force!"
    "Yes, that is the nature of the attack. If it strikes, you will be
    crushed!"

    Denjin Hadou-Ken:
    "Denjin! The electric bite of the Thunder God cannot be stopped!"
    "Concentrated energy...the longer it builds up, the more devastating it
    becomes!"


    Sean:
    Hadou-Burst:
    "Hadou-Burst! All right!!!"
    "Wave Motion Burst!! This rocks!"

    Shoryu-Cannon:
    "I won with my Shoryu-Cannon! I'm the best!"
    "Yes! My Shoryu-Cannon rules all!"

    Hyper Tornado:
    "Hyper Tornado!!! You fell for it!!!"
    "Hyper Tornado!!! I did it!!!"



    Urien:
    Tyrant Slaughter:
    "My body is as hard as iron! My ultimate attack mashes like a
    cannonball!"
    "I have finished you! Stand against me, and be destroyed."

    Temporal Thunder:
    "My enormous power is inescapable!"
    "Feel the spirit of the true Emperor! Suffer now in your surrender!"

    Aegis Reflector:
    "Can't you see how pathetic your attacks are!"
    "My perfect guard! Nobody can break it!"


    Yang:
    Raishin-Mahhaken:
    "My Raishin-Mahhaken is formidable when used properly...."
    "You thought it would be a close battle? Nobody can beat my Raishin-
    Mahhaken!"

    Tenshin-Senkyutai
    "Because of your sloppy defense, I got to finish you with my Tenshin-
    Senkyutai!"
    "There's no way you could escape my Tenshin-Senkyutai!"

    Seiei-Enbu
    "Did my Seiei-Enbu confuse you? Is age dulling your senses?"
    "Look! How many of myself are there? Count them quickly! Time's up!"


    Yun:
    You-Hou:
    "Your jaw! Did I break it with my You-Hou?"
    "Finishing with one You-Hou.... That's such a great feeling!"

    Sourai-Rengeki:
    "My Sourai-Rengeki is a cool move, eh?"
    "My Sourai-Rengeki can't be stopped!"

    Genei-Jin:
    "Learning to avoid is an essential skill.... Although you can't escape my
    Genei-Jin...."
    "Genei-Jin is too fast to be seen! Perhaps you should just sit there and
    let me hit you!"
  • TarkanXTarkanX Joined: Posts: 869
    I have another question(applying to quotes), in the Gill to Alex win quotes, he says:

    You were only slightly easier to defeat than the one who came before me."

    Now what was Gill talking about, I know Gill losed to Alex on purpose, but was Gill talking about Tom, and if he was, does that mean Tom is stronger, or is it a mis-translation?

    And a quote from Oro:

    For once I felt pressed. First time in ten years I've broken a sweat

    Now SF3 tournament was placed in 1998, so 10 years before is 1988, that is the time of alpha 2, did he fight Akuma, or Gen, or is this just a mistranslation? Oro hasn't trained for 50 years by the way.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Back to the Retsu, Akuma, Ryu thing. I don't think that just because they spar means Retsu is anyone close to Gouken's level. Same with Ryu and Ken. They spar, and they are both good, but honestly, in an all out fight. (Even though this would never happen.) By all out I mean no holding back on either side in a fight to the death, Ryu would mop the floor with Ken. (And Ken's my boy, but that's how I feel.) They may appear to be close, but I think Ryu has outclassed kNe by much farther than what may appear on the surface. BUt again, we'll never see that. It's kind of like saying who would win, the 2000-2001 Lakers or the 1993-1994 Bulls? They may appear to be close. But if it came down to it, the Bulls would mop the floor with them. (BUt that's a thread in and of itself :)!)

    Hence I think Ryu did beat Retsu fair and square, but Retsu beat an ailing Gen.
  • TiamatRoarTiamatRoar The Grumpy Surly One Joined: Posts: 1,092
    Random: I got an e-mail from Agent Guile and... ah, it's too long to repeat in my own words (and... I don't know much about pronounciation, anyways), so I'll just copy and paste here :p



    Tiamat,
    I just want to add some comments to your Street Fighter faq.

    Charlie Nash is Charlie's full name. This was said to me by LastGodVT (an SRK
    member. I don't know if he's still an active poster on SRK these days). He owns
    a copy of the the All About Capcom book.

    About the name pronunciation thing.

    I know that Saiki is Japanese, and apparently, I have no right of questioning
    his credibilty (since I'm not Japanese) about what he said about the "right"
    pronunciation of the names of the Street Fighter. But I know your email adress I
    don't know his so I'll say this to you instead.

    Japanese people tend to pronounce a word in a way that their spelling of the
    same word doesn't really match its pronunciation.

    For example:

    Let's use the word, "RUROUNI KENSHIN."

    If we pronounce that word the american english way, we would pronounce the word
    rurouni as....

    ROO-ROW-KNEE

    But,
    Japanese has the same vowel sound reportoire as Spanish,

    a - as in Dan (Hibiki)
    e - as in Edmond (Honda)
    i - as in Ibuki
    o - as in gallop
    u - as in Ibuki

    so the word should be pronounced as

    ROO-RO-KNEE

    The difference is that (aside from the different pronunciation of the letter
    "r"), the o in "ROU" (in rurouni) uses the Spanish "o".

    What I'm saying is, if we pronounce the rou in rurouni the Japanese way, there's
    no need for the extra "u" after "ro" since it will create the misconception that
    it is pronounced as "row".

    By this, I'm saying that the word Feilong is pronounced as

    Fe-lon

    Fe (uses the Spanish e).

    and Lon (since your faq says that the "g" is silent).

    It's kinda like how the Japanese pronounce the word Sensei.

    They pronounce it as Sen - Se (Spanish e)

    and not

    Sen - Say (that's the American pronunciation)

    Same goes to Feilong. It's Fe (and doesn't sound like fay)

    And also, about the word Gouki.

    Saiki is right. It's Go-key

    But he didn't specify which type of "O" to use

    It should be go(spanish o)-ki.

    Please tell this to Saiki if you can talk to him.


    <end e-mail>


    Ah... well, I don't know much about pronounciation (okay, I'm clueless about it :p), though it was stated before that Nash wasn't Charlie's last name. Does All About Capcom really say it is? Yeep! *is confused*
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    well I've got some questions

    What's the Japanese version of the pre-dialouge between Gouki and Gen? In the US version it goes:

    Gouki: (Master Gen) {I wonder why it's in parathesis, is Gouki actually speaking or using Telepathy or something?}

    Gen: What is it you want with me Akuma?

    Gouki: (Your defeat).

    Gen: I think not.

    *Used Gouki instead of Akuma.



    Also what Sagat mean during his Alpha three ending, when he says that "his destiny (Sagat's), Ryu you are the only man worthy of it."
  • UltimaUltima Retired SF Aristocrat Joined: Posts: 1,777 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    re: Nash's full name

    Okay. I checked AAC, and while my Jpn is far from complete, I see no mention of "Charlie" anywhere under Nash's entry. Every other character with a last name (Ken, Sean, Sakura) as it mentioned prominantly somewhere, but Nash has zip.

    Oh, and I never noticed it before, but "Andore" is the exact katakana spelling of that character's name: AN-DO-RE. So in english it would translate to "Andre", but Capcom took it and spelt it literally from the jpn. translation. So in a sense, Capcom didn't change the character's name - they just took advantage of an english spelling trait to make it appear as if the name was pronounced differently (since I don't know about you folks, but every english pronunciation of "Andore" I've ever heard/used wa was "AN-DOOR").

    I as going to mention something about all the pronunciation crap, but I'm kinda rusty on my japanese. I'll just say that I believe he's wrong: "ou" (very simlar to a long "o") is pronounced differently to just "o", and "ei" (almost like "ay") is pronounced differently to just "e"
    Ultima - The Right Arm of Scrub Voltron
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Originally posted by Hcparker
    Also what Sagat mean during his Alpha three ending, when he says that "his destiny (Sagat's), Ryu you are the only man worthy of it."

    i see it as a compliment on sagat's part. He is saying that he is glad that his destiny / future / fate revolves around a man as great as ryu.



    here's kind of a quick question: what is the translation for akuma's 3S hidden super Kongou Kokuretsu Zan??
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Grenade Falcon,

    I don't think Ryu knows who Gouki is only that he is the one that killed Gouken.

    Think about it for a second.

    Ryu only came into Gouken's care WELL after Gouken's own training was completed.

    Gouken disliked his own fighting style enough that he radically changed it, teaching Ryu and Ken a toned-down version.

    Gouki has likely been in intensive training in solitude. I doubt he cared enough to visit Gouken at any point prior to their match.

    Originally posted by Saiki
    and Ryu vs Gouki dialogue isn't like that in Japanese version.
    Gouki:
    .......! You, you're Gouken's......!
    Ryu:
    I feel as if I've met you before, you're my masters............but this isn't a sparring match. I challenge you as a fighter!
    Gouki:
    .........Hmph, Boy! It's been a long time since my blood boils!

    This dialogue seems to indicate that Ryu senses something about Gouki. Whether that is Gouki being related to Gouken or simply that Gouki IS the one that killed Gouken could be a matter of debate.

    Gouki also seems to identify Ryu right away as Gouken's student presumably from his chi and similarity to Gouken.
  • TiamatRoarTiamatRoar The Grumpy Surly One Joined: Posts: 1,092
    I think Ryu and Akuma's dialogue in both the Japanese translation that Saiki gave and Capcom's butchered US translation indicate that they've at least seen each other, before. Though... I guess all them ellipses can get confusing, sometimes ^^;

    Thanks, Ultima! Okay, yea, I was wondering about that. That pronounciation in the e-mail always seemed like an... odd pronounciation of Fei Long to me. :P
  • SanoSano SRKSANO on PS4 Joined: Posts: 13,064 mod
    Just a few questions today.

    1. Saiki - When you have time could you please tell us what AAC says about Jin and Devilot?

    2. Anyone ever notice how in Strider 1 and 2 their is a flying Fortress called "Balrog" like our favorite Spanish Ninja? Is that just a coincidence since I think Strider 1 came out before SF2 or has the name of that flying Fortress been mistranslated by Capcom USA?
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Originally posted by TiamatRoar
    Random: I got an e-mail from Agent Guile and... ah, it's too long to repeat in my own words (and... I don't know much about pronounciation, anyways), so I'll just copy and paste here :p



    Tiamat,
    I just want to add some comments to your Street Fighter faq.

    Charlie Nash is Charlie's full name. This was said to me by LastGodVT (an SRK
    member. I don't know if he's still an active poster on SRK these days). He owns
    a copy of the the All About Capcom book.

    About the name pronunciation thing.

    I know that Saiki is Japanese, and apparently, I have no right of questioning
    his credibilty (since I'm not Japanese) about what he said about the "right"
    pronunciation of the names of the Street Fighter. But I know your email adress I
    don't know his so I'll say this to you instead.

    Japanese people tend to pronounce a word in a way that their spelling of the
    same word doesn't really match its pronunciation.

    For example:

    Let's use the word, "RUROUNI KENSHIN."

    If we pronounce that word the american english way, we would pronounce the word
    rurouni as....

    ROO-ROW-KNEE

    But,
    Japanese has the same vowel sound reportoire as Spanish,

    a - as in Dan (Hibiki)
    e - as in Edmond (Honda)
    i - as in Ibuki
    o - as in gallop
    u - as in Ibuki

    so the word should be pronounced as

    ROO-RO-KNEE

    The difference is that (aside from the different pronunciation of the letter
    "r"), the o in "ROU" (in rurouni) uses the Spanish "o".

    What I'm saying is, if we pronounce the rou in rurouni the Japanese way, there's
    no need for the extra "u" after "ro" since it will create the misconception that
    it is pronounced as "row".

    By this, I'm saying that the word Feilong is pronounced as

    Fe-lon

    Fe (uses the Spanish e).

    and Lon (since your faq says that the "g" is silent).

    It's kinda like how the Japanese pronounce the word Sensei.

    They pronounce it as Sen - Se (Spanish e)

    and not

    Sen - Say (that's the American pronunciation)

    Same goes to Feilong. It's Fe (and doesn't sound like fay)

    And also, about the word Gouki.

    Saiki is right. It's Go-key

    But he didn't specify which type of "O" to use

    It should be go(spanish o)-ki.

    Please tell this to Saiki if you can talk to him.


    <end e-mail>


    Ah... well, I don't know much about pronounciation (okay, I'm clueless about it :p), though it was stated before that Nash wasn't Charlie's last name. Does All About Capcom really say it is? Yeep! *is confused*

    So this is where my email went. :D

    I never thought that this thread will be resurrected.

    Nice to see this thread again. :D
  • SanoSano SRKSANO on PS4 Joined: Posts: 13,064 mod
    Just some random Otakuness - In Animerica's latest issue, there's an article entitled "Sex Cels" in which the writers and editors of this magazine have compiled the hundred sexiest females and the hundred sexiest males in Anime and Manga. Cutey Honey won for sexiest female and Vampire Hunter D won for male. Anyway, here's the order the video game females appeared -

    Morrigan
    Chun-Li
    Mai Shiranui
    Sofia (Toshinden)
    Cammy White
    Felicia

    An interesting side note - Cammy was about twenty steps up from the character she was inspired by - Gally/Alita.

    If anyone cares, for the males it was -

    Geese Howard
    Terry Bogard
    Ryu
    Andy Bogard
    Ken Masters

    As for Top Ten sexiest Anime character designers, (The winner was the artist for Wicked City and Ninja Scroll) Shuko Murase (SFII the Animated Movie, Darkstalkers) was number three and Masami Obari (Fatal Fury, Gowkaiser) was number four.
  • TarkanXTarkanX Joined: Posts: 869
    Got another question, what is the rivalry with Hugo and Alex, and Makato, and Ibuki?
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Originally posted by TarkanX
    Got another question, what is the rivalry with Hugo and Alex, and Makato, and Ibuki?

    my guess is that hugo and alex are just big arrogant rasslers, and they just feel threatened by the other

    makoto is a teenage girl with next to no social life and dress in a very un-fan service like manner. ibuki is a teenage with a social life and boyfriend and she wears western clothes. they're just opposites. some have speculated that ibuki killed makoto's dad, but i doubt it.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Welp, I was looking through Lantis SF3: Double Impact quote list again, and I decided to share some of them. These include win-quotes that reinforce things that are already known, some boss battle dialogue and character specific win-quotes that may bring up some interesting new points, and special Super Art finish win-quotes that emphasize on the nature of the Super Art used to finish your opponent. They may prove most valuable, providing they arent mistranslated or butchered from the original versions of SF3. ;)



    Super Art Quotes:

    Alexs Super Art quote with Boomerang Raid:
    "With an ending like that, I'm quite happy with my performance.... A combination Super Art finish!"

    Ibukis Super Art quote with Yoroi Doushi:
    This is Ibuki's favorite super powerful move! Did you enjoy it?

    Judging from these, Super Arts are referred to as Super Arts by the characters themselves and not just for players to call them as!


    Ryus Super Art quote with Denjin Hadoken:
    "Denjin! The electric bite of the Thunder God cannot be stopped!"

    I REALLY dont know what hes refering to as a thunder god. Itd better not be himself because he even acknowledges that hes far from being a perfect fighter. I hope Saiki knows something about this.


    Oros Super Art quotes with Yagyou Dama:
    A dream, a phantom, and an illusion. That's the meaning of Yagyou-Dama.

    It doesn't strike you, yet it still drags you in. That's the secret of Yagyou-Dama.

    This says it all. The super is an illusion extracted from Oros mind. Its even expressed by the start-up of the move where Oro touches his head and pulls out that ball of imagery. The thing that still puzzles me though is how he can manipulate the hyped-up version of the Yagyou-Dama in Third Strike where he jumps up in the air and throws it with both hands. It doesnt look as if hes dreaming it because of the way he exerts himself.


    Uriens Super Art quote with Tyrant Slaughter:
    My body is as hard as iron! My ultimate attack mashes like a cannonball!

    This explains why his body makes that clanking noise when he blocks an attack. You see him boasting about it all the time in Second Impact.


    Gills Super Art quote with Meteor Strike:
    "Defeating me would mean leading the world to destruction. Accept your divine punishment!"

    Just a direct reference as to what Gills true intentions are.


    Dudleys Super Art quotes with Corkscrew Blow:
    Corkscrew!!! It has the destructive power of a hurricane!

    The Corkscrew was a perfect finisher. I did not think you could withstand it.

    I dont know if hes just exaggerating on the power the move, but it is something to consider.



    Winner vs. Loser quotes:

    Oro vs. Akuma
    "Hmm? I think I met you somewhere before.... Is it just me? Will you tell me?"

    An interesting possibility.


    Alex vs. Urien:
    "I thought you were my arch-rival! I guess I was wrong.... You resemble him so closely...."

    This confirms that Alex never met Urien until SF3, if at all he did. He only heard about the one who beat him from Tom.


    Urien vs. Ken:
    Your 'burning hand' reminds me...you shall suffer.

    I guess Urien hates anything that reminds him of Gill.


    Ryu vs. Yun in Second Impact:
    "You posess great ability at your age! I have rarely seen such potential. Only once before...."

    A reflection of how skilled Ryu considered Sakura to be.


    Ryu vs. Yun in New Generation:
    "Chinese art.... That reminds me of all the strong opponents in the past."

    Ryu vs. Yang in Second Impact:
    "I hold the art of Chinese Kung-Fu in high regard. Excellent performance!"

    Another good reason why Chun-Li appears in Ryus SFA3 ending. He even gives Yun a pat on the back for his Kung-Fu prowess in CvS2.


    Ryu vs. Elena:
    "You have a nice bounce in your body! It's wonderful!"

    Proof that Ryu isnt asexual like everyone sees him. :D He does like women, though a love interest is not a top priority for him.


    Ken vs. Elena:
    "A lady like you should not act so violently!"

    Hah! Maybe Elena isnt all friendly as she looks after all! Lol! :D


    Hugo vs. Ibuki:
    "Whoa, what is this stuck in me? Thanks for the gift!"

    Hugo vs. Dudley:
    "You can only tickle me with your punches. A professional wrestler can withstand much more."

    More details that give the extent of how high Hugos tolerance for damage is. You cant pierce him with a knife and not even the worlds greatest light-weight boxer can phase him. Amazing.


    Elena vs. Yun
    "It's O.K.! Take it easy! It's no use crying after losing the battle!"

    Turns out that Yun can be a sore loser. This quote doesnt sound like an insult either.



    Boss Dialogue:

    Ryus end-boss battle with Ken:
    Ryu: "Ken.... It's good to see you! Long time no see old friend!"
    Ken: "Ryu.... You haven't changed! You know the drill; let's do it!"


    Ill assume that the fact Ken is Ryus final boss indicates that Ken lost to Ryu in the tournament.


    Ibukis end-boss battle with Gill:
    Ibuki: "You have something that doesn't belong to you; hand it over!"
    Gill: "Of course. But only in exchange for your life, Shinobi girl...."


    :eek: Does this imply that the G-Project was STOLEN by Gills organization? Hmmmm.


    Uriens mid-boss battle with Alex:
    Alex: "You know a man named Tom, don't you?"
    Urien: "What was that?! Never mention that name around me!"


    As is the case with Alexs Vs. quote to Urien above, he most likely didnt know Urien before SF3. This does raise the possibility that Tom was a former candidate to have fought for the position Gills currently in. It even looks as if Tom mightve been the one who beat him.


    Necros mid- boss battle with Ibuki:
    Ibuki: "Are you that stretching cyborg? Tell me where to find your boss!"
    Necro: "How about I charge you with electromagnetic power instead?"


    I dont know where Ibuki couldve gotten information suggesting that Necro is a cyborg, but it does explain why he can attack with electricity.


    So what do you all think?
  • SanoSano SRKSANO on PS4 Joined: Posts: 13,064 mod
    Grenade Falcon - My favorite quote on that sight is when Ken tells Ryu - "It's time you settled down and raised a family. Maybe I'll help you, my friend." I always thought Ken gave up on Ryu hooking up a long time ago and accepted him for who he was, until I read this. Oh well, we all know Ryu will probably remain single for the entire SF series, but at least it seems he's not antisexual as you pointed out - thanks for that.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Originally posted by Grenade Falcon
    Welp, I was looking through Lantis SF3: Double Impact quote list again, and I decided to share some of them. These include win-quotes that reinforce things that are already known, some boss battle dialogue and character specific win-quotes that may bring up some interesting new points, and special Super Art finish win-quotes that emphasize on the nature of the Super Art used to finish your opponent. They may prove most valuable, providing they arent mistranslated or butchered from the original versions of SF3. ;)



    Super Art Quotes:

    Alexs Super Art quote with Boomerang Raid:
    "With an ending like that, I'm quite happy with my performance.... A combination Super Art finish!"

    Ibukis Super Art quote with Yoroi Doushi:
    This is Ibuki's favorite super powerful move! Did you enjoy it?

    Judging from these, Super Arts are referred to as Super Arts by the characters themselves and not just for players to call them as!

    Agreed.
    Ryus Super Art quote with Denjin Hadoken:
    "Denjin! The electric bite of the Thunder God cannot be stopped!"

    I REALLY dont know what hes refering to as a thunder god. Itd better not be himself because he even acknowledges that hes far from being a perfect fighter. I hope Saiki knows something about this.

    Maybe Ryu is implying that he somehow channels the power of the Thunder God when he uses the Denjin similar to how Dhalsim uses the power of the God of Fire?

    Oros Super Art quotes with Yagyou Dama:
    A dream, a phantom, and an illusion. That's the meaning of Yagyou-Dama.

    It doesn't strike you, yet it still drags you in. That's the secret of Yagyou-Dama.

    This says it all. The super is an illusion extracted from Oros mind. Its even expressed by the start-up of the move where Oro touches his head and pulls out that ball of imagery. The thing that still puzzles me though is how he can manipulate the hyped-up version of the Yagyou-Dama in Third Strike where he jumps up in the air and throws it with both hands. It doesnt look as if hes dreaming it because of the way he exerts himself.


    Uriens Super Art quote with Tyrant Slaughter:
    My body is as hard as iron! My ultimate attack mashes like a cannonball!

    This explains why his body makes that clanking noise when he blocks an attack. You see him boasting about it all the time in Second Impact.


    Gills Super Art quote with Meteor Strike:
    "Defeating me would mean leading the world to destruction. Accept your divine punishment!"

    Just a direct reference as to what Gills true intentions are.


    Dudleys Super Art quotes with Corkscrew Blow:
    Corkscrew!!! It has the destructive power of a hurricane!

    The Corkscrew was a perfect finisher. I did not think you could withstand it.

    I dont know if hes just exaggerating on the power the move, but it is something to consider.



    Winner vs. Loser quotes:

    Oro vs. Akuma
    "Hmm? I think I met you somewhere before.... Is it just me? Will you tell me?"

    An interesting possibility.

    But I thought as of 3rd strike they're quotes indicated they've NEVER met before.

    Alex vs. Urien:
    "I thought you were my arch-rival! I guess I was wrong.... You resemble him so closely...."

    This confirms that Alex never met Urien until SF3, if at all he did. He only heard about the one who beat him from Tom.


    Urien vs. Ken:
    Your 'burning hand' reminds me...you shall suffer.

    I guess Urien hates anything that reminds him of Gill.


    Ryu vs. Yun in Second Impact:
    "You posess great ability at your age! I have rarely seen such potential. Only once before...."

    A reflection of how skilled Ryu considered Sakura to be.


    Ryu vs. Yun in New Generation:
    "Chinese art.... That reminds me of all the strong opponents in the past."

    Ryu vs. Yang in Second Impact:
    "I hold the art of Chinese Kung-Fu in high regard. Excellent performance!"

    Another good reason why Chun-Li appears in Ryus SFA3 ending. He even gives Yun a pat on the back for his Kung-Fu prowess in CvS2.


    Ryu vs. Elena:
    "You have a nice bounce in your body! It's wonderful!"

    Proof that Ryu isnt asexual like everyone sees him. :D He does like women, though a love interest is not a top priority for him.
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    I don't know about that, he maybe just be compliementing her on her Fighting skills, especially considering Capoeria depends a lot on the motion of the fighter. If Ryu has knowledge of her fighting style (likely) then he's probably just saying she is very good at it.
    Ken vs. Elena:
    "A lady like you should not act so violently!"

    Hah! Maybe Elena isnt all friendly as she looks after all! Lol! :D

    Or maybe Ken's surprised at how effective Elena's fighting style is?
    Hugo vs. Ibuki:
    "Whoa, what is this stuck in me? Thanks for the gift!"

    Hugo vs. Dudley:
    "You can only tickle me with your punches. A professional wrestler can withstand much more."

    More details that give the extent of how high Hugos tolerance for damage is. You cant pierce him with a knife and not even the worlds greatest light-weight boxer can phase him. Amazing.


    Elena vs. Yun
    "It's O.K.! Take it easy! It's no use crying after losing the battle!"

    Turns out that Yun can be a sore loser. This quote doesnt sound like an insult either.



    Boss Dialogue:

    Ryus end-boss battle with Ken:
    Ryu: "Ken.... It's good to see you! Long time no see old friend!"
    Ken: "Ryu.... You haven't changed! You know the drill; let's do it!"


    Ill assume that the fact Ken is Ryus final boss indicates that Ken lost to Ryu in the tournament.


    Ibukis end-boss battle with Gill:
    Ibuki: "You have something that doesn't belong to you; hand it over!"
    Gill: "Of course. But only in exchange for your life, Shinobi girl...."


    :eek: Does this imply that the G-Project was STOLEN by Gills organization? Hmmmm.

    I somehow doubt Ibuki is referring to the G-Project, I don't think a ninja clan would be interested in genetic research. Maybe Gill stole something from them?
    Uriens mid-boss battle with Alex:
    Alex: "You know a man named Tom, don't you?"
    Urien: "What was that?! Never mention that name around me!"


    As is the case with Alexs Vs. quote to Urien above, he most likely didnt know Urien before SF3. This does raise the possibility that Tom was a former candidate to have fought for the position Gills currently in. It even looks as if Tom mightve been the one who beat him.

    The more I hear about Tom the more it sounds like he WASN'T a candidate to the head of the organization and more like a member of a committee that selected the leader or an advisor to someone with that power.
    Necros mid- boss battle with Ibuki:
    Ibuki: "Are you that stretching cyborg? Tell me where to find your boss!"
    Necro: "How about I charge you with electromagnetic power instead?"


    I dont know where Ibuki couldve gotten information suggesting that Necro is a cyborg, but it does explain why he can attack with electricity.


    So what do you all think?


    I agree with almost everything you say GF, except where I indicated.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Originally posted by sano
    Grenade Falcon - My favorite quote on that sight is when Ken tells Ryu - "It's time you settled down and raised a family. Maybe I'll help you, my friend." I always thought Ken gave up on Ryu hooking up a long time ago and accepted him for who he was, until I read this. Oh well, we all know Ryu will probably remain single for the entire SF series, but at least it seems he's not antisexual as you pointed out - thanks for that.

    When does Ken say that?
  • SanoSano SRKSANO on PS4 Joined: Posts: 13,064 mod
    Hcparker - According to Lantis's Faq up at Gamefaqs, it's a winner to loser quote in SF3 Second Impact that Ken says when he defeats Ryu.
  • TiamatRoarTiamatRoar The Grumpy Surly One Joined: Posts: 1,092
    I thought Ibuki knew what Necro was because she knew what the G-Project was, and the G-Project was what produced Necro? ^^
  • AKUMA2000AKUMA2000 RAGING DEMON DISTRIBUTOR Joined: Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Originally posted by Saiki
    TarkanX
    Guy doesn't say anything along the lines of beating up one of Vega's soldiers. That is something that Cap USA put in.
    and Ryu vs Gouki dialogue isn't like that in Japanese version.
    Gouki
    .......! You, you're Gouken's......!
    Ryu
    I feel as if I've met you before, you're my masters............but this isn't a sparring match. I challenge you as a fighter!
    Gouki
    .........Hmph, Boy! It's been a long time since my blood boils!

    And Sakura vs Ryu dialogue isn't like that too. It goes like this

    Sakura
    Hehe, I've looked all over the place for! I've finally found you!
    Ryu
    ? And you are.....?
    Sakura
    I saw you fighting one time......and now I'm addicted to Street Fighting! I've even learned your special moves! Hey can i challenge you! I think I'm pretty good!

    ending
    Sakura
    um....wait! I want to get stronger. I want to learn more...........so please! Will you teach me more skills! Will you be my master!
    Ryu
    ...........I am still under training. I do not have the right to teach others. You can get stronger yet. With your own skills............

    And I remember someone asking about the dialogue between Gen and Ryu in Z3 so here it is.

    Gen
    I did not expect to meet such a young user of the Ansatsuken near my death........... This world still has it's joy's left......
    Ryu
    That stance, it is the art used for killing..........
    Gen
    And what if it were?
    Ryu
    He's strong! I can feel his strength just by standing infront of him!

    after battle
    Gen
    His art seems the same yet different from Ansatsuken.....a pure, fist. Without cloudness.........But why does it bother my heart so? Is it because I faced another user of Ansatsuken? Or is it because of the power's that lies within this man..........


    Wow, this is my first time reading the SFA2 jap version endings.....I wonder why capcom usa changed the official endings, dam them...:rolleyes:
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    i've only played third strike, and it seems odd to me that ibuki never mentions the g-file once in TS. instead, she focuses on getting into college in story-line.

    lot a mysteries surrounding the g-file. what is it? why does ibuki want it in NG & DI? why does she gives up after TS? does it have something to do with necro, 12, and maybe Q?
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Originally posted by Hcparker

    But I thought as of 3rd strike they're quotes indicated they've NEVER met before.

    How? Just because Oro doesn't comment on having met Akuma before in TS at all doesn't mean he never might have. It's still a possibility.
    I don't know about that, he maybe just be compliementing her on her Fighting skills, especially considering Capoeria depends a lot on the motion of the fighter. If Ryu has knowledge of her fighting style (likely) then he's probably just saying she is very good at it.

    Maybe, maybe not. Lots of arts require you to have smooth movements, but he specifically comments on Elena's bounce and calls it "wonderful". I don't know what having a nice bounce has to do with fighting ( *cough*Mai Shiranui*cough*). Besides, I don't think he'd ever say that to a guy, even if his body does have a bounce. :D
    Or maybe Ken's surprised at how effective Elena's fighting style is?

    Hardly ever. A fighting style has nothing to do with acting violently. I'm guessing even Elena has a short fuse. It makes even more sense when you know that Ken's a cocky bastard.
    I somehow doubt Ibuki is referring to the G-Project, I don't think a ninja clan would be interested in genetic research. Maybe Gill stole something from them?

    I was asking if Gill stole the G-Project from some other organization that hired Ibuki's clan to retrieve it.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Originally posted by TiamatRoar
    I thought Ibuki knew what Necro was because she knew what the G-Project was, and the G-Project was what produced Necro? ^^

    Yeah, but Necro was just a prototype for all those genetically mutated blobs.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Originally posted by tool_028
    i've only played third strike, and it seems odd to me that ibuki never mentions the g-file once in TS. instead, she focuses on getting into college in story-line.

    lot a mysteries surrounding the g-file. what is it? why does ibuki want it in NG & DI? why does she gives up after TS? does it have something to do with necro, 12, and maybe Q?

    The G-File is merely classified information regarding the production of Necro and the blob-like mutants that Twelve was created with.

    If Ibuki did succeed in getting the G-File in SI, she wouldn't care about it anymore because Gill tells her that the project has already begun and that her clan was too late in stopping it. She's more interested in living a normal life, as you can see in TS.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Originally posted by Grenade Falcon


    How? Just because Oro doesn't comment on having met Akuma before in TS at all doesn't mean he never might have. It's still a possibility.

    Didn't Saiki's earlier translation of Oro vs. Gouki go something like:

    Oro: Ah so is the power of the Satsui no Hado, quite an impressive power for a young man.
    Gouki: I've heard of Senjin before (something) Old man.
    Oro: (something) the path of the warrior is never easy, let us travel it now.

    I know I don't have the specifics but it went something like that.

    Maybe, maybe not. Lots of arts require you to have smooth movements, but he specifically comments on Elena's bounce and calls it "wonderful". I don't know what having a nice bounce has to do with fighting ( *cough*Mai Shiranui*cough*). Besides, I don't think he'd ever say that to a guy, even if his body does have a bounce. :D

    Well this is his first time meeting someone who uses that particular style. The other thing to consider is Engrish or a mistranslation of Ryu ACTUALLY says to Elena.


    Hardly ever. A fighting style has nothing to do with acting violently. I'm guessing even Elena has a short fuse. It makes even more sense when you know that Ken's a cocky bastard.

    True.

    I was asking if Gill stole the G-Project from some other organization that hired Ibuki's clan to retrieve it.

    Okay I misunderstood what you were saying.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    That Oro vs. Gouki dialogue is the same from the US version of the game. I don't recall Saiki ever posting it up.

    And I did say a while ago that Ryu's quote to Elena might be worth noting, providing it wasn't mistranslated or butchered from the original version.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Originally posted by Grenade Falcon
    That Oro vs. Gouki dialogue is the same from the US version of the game. I don't recall Saiki ever posting it up.

    Saiki did post the Japanese version of that conversation where Oro said something like "here let me rough you up a little" to Gouki, I distinctly rememeber seeing it.

    And I did say a while ago that Ryu's quote to Elena might be worth noting, providing it wasn't mistranslated or butchered from the original version.

    Okay didn't see that last part.
  • ClayClay Spooooooon!!! Joined: Posts: 108
    Saiki did post up the Japanese Oro-Gouki intro in the old thread, they're almost exactly the same, word for word. There are a few minor differences, but you can get the gist of it. In the American version Oro says "Evil Intent" whereas in the Japanese version he refers to it as "Satsui no something" or other. In both versions Oro greets Gouki, compliments him and jokingly mocks Satsui no Hadou. Gouki then brushes him off/ threatens him to which Oro replies that it isn't so easy to become a master and states that he'll teach Gouki a lesson/ rough him up a little. If you know one version, then you know the other.
    -Clay
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    All right, I think we should get to the bottom of what Gill's capable of. Questions:

    1.) How is Gill's immortality justified? And does the fact that his body can be harmed come into conflict with this?

    2.) Is it true that Gill has to die in order to perform the Resurrection? Or is it just restoration of the body? (Just curious, because this concept of Gill dying at the hands of a mere martial artist seems kinds ridiculous, even if he is just holding back.)

    3.) Is it true that Gill's ability to create and uncreate fire and ice is symbolic for his power to control all opposing forces and create other things? Or was Gill simply implying in Yun's Third Strike ending that it is his mission to unite the two powers and not that he has the power to do it at will?

    4.) Would he be considered a universal source of his own energy? If not, how good is his stamina, and how much of it is required to perform his two Super Arts and to resurrect/revitalize?
  • SiegfriedSiegfried Knight of Knowledge Joined: Posts: 270
    Whew! Nice to see the thread is back up, even without the old posts. Seems like people have found quite a lot of new info too.

    Regarding All About Cyberbots, there was a All About Warzard so Cyberbots should have one as well.

    Regarding various Japanese translations:

    Denjin literally means "electricity man", but something-jin is also used for gods. Raijin is the thunder god for example, and Fuujin is the wind god. So, denjin = electricity god, but changed to thunder god to sound better.

    Kongou Kokuretsu Zan... isn't this translated in some FAQ? Anyway, kokuretsu is "earth shattering" or something like that. Gou in kongou is probably "great".

    Oro's style is Senjutsu (you could write it Senjutu but the Japanese doesn't have "tu", only "tsu"), which means "aged techniques".

    Sadly I don't have AAC with me right now (had to make room for a PS2 and an Xbox when I packed to go home for the summer) so I can't confirm anything, but the Cyberbots characters and all storyline from the actual game are in it.

    Oh, and I have that Shadaloo base picture somewhere, but it was badly scanned so I didn't post it along with the other official Capcom art at Fighter Mania. Don't remember seeing Cracker Jack there though.
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