I give up.... *Edit: turns out I didn't give up*

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  • JushinessJushiness SRK member since 2k6 Joined: Posts: 430
    You should kill yourself =] Then you will have Truely Given Up.
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  • ssj2jeffssj2jeff Joined: Posts: 701
    Man up, treat every loss as a win!

    i think a better statement is learn from your losses, not be delusional and call it a win .:wgrin:
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    low self esteem
  • tatakitataki misplaced Joined: Posts: 7,706
    i think a better statement is learn from your losses, not be delusional and call it a win .:wgrin:

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  • FMJaguarFMJaguar Joined: Posts: 2,729 admin
    If you don't want to quit, your not working(playing) hard enough. Keep it up!
  • ST VegaST Vega Never lose battles. Joined: Posts: 903
    Losses add character.
  • Jubei KibagamiJubei Kibagami Too much naughty... Joined: Posts: 1,300
    Wow this topic is lively.
  • Dark Hadou XSDark Hadou XS Mad Blocking Skillz Joined: Posts: 191
    I know how frustrating it can be trying to learn a game. The same thing happened to me when I was learning Tekken. I lost A LOT. But I discovered one very important thing. It's important to study what your doing wrong. You can study a matchup all day but you'll never truly understand the matchup until you analyze from the perspective of you playing that match. Have you ever thought of recording some of your matches and posting them up? Of course your gonna get some lamer who wants to talk trash about how you play but who cares, real players can help you key in on areas where you can improve and point out little things you might not have noticed. Another piece of advice is just to try and have as much fun with the game as possible. Don't worry so much about losing and try to have fun in the matches and you might find yourself winning more matches than you think. Don't give up bro
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  • DietSoapDietSoap Bulletballer Joined: Posts: 509
    If you don't want to quit, your not working(playing) hard enough. Keep it up!
    So true. :lol:
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  • slevin786slevin786 bored Joined: Posts: 399
    well I for sure as hell am not quitting cus HDR is out... and i won 1st place at a local tournament for HDR. so I'm good now .
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  • AnakronAnakron Alpha Male Joined: Posts: 2,391
    :confused:

    Some characters have combos that work on every character, nothing specific. For example, Venom's best B&B. Even then, it's still hard. Even the best Venom player in japan opts to do easier combos in tight situations sometimes because of how inconsistent you can be with the combo. GG doesn't have any simple jump in roundhouse, low forward xx fireball combo that's actually really good, and that you can learn in seconds. They all take at least hours to perfect in training mode, and then even longer to be able to perform them consistently while playing.

    FRC's in general take weeks to months to be able to hit it EVERY single time, and those are just simple press of 3 buttons at a specific time.

    I agree and disagree with you. Yes, most of the time top level players will use simpler combos rather than clutch combos. But in the end, they'll still use their best combos because they're playing the game at it's highest level. However, GG DOES have simple gatling combos off simple pokes which don't lead to simple damage. The awful damage modifier doesn't help either. :wasted:
    well I for sure as hell am not quitting cus HDR is out... and i won 1st place at a local tournament for HDR. so I'm good now .

    That's good. Now you have no reason for ever making a thread like this again! ::golfclap::
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  • Atomic MothAtomic Moth NOPD will be called Joined: Posts: 406
    Either start drinking or do pushups.

    Quarter of a beer after each fight or about 10-15 pushups.

    You'll make the best of this situation yet.
  • EsjihnEsjihn High Echelon Gaming Joined: Posts: 2,700
    Give up on deez nutz
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  • Chasem0Chasem0 Joined: Posts: 43
    I know how ya feel. The reason it doesn't bother me, is because I don't play to be the best, to win, etc. I play to have fun. I'm not the best player, but not the worst either, which is good enough for me. Sometimes I get perfects, and sometimes I get my ass whooped. Yeah, I played in the arcades back in the day, but I think I still have more playtime online than I do offline, more playtime on consoles than arcades, etc. *gets ready to get flamed*

    Even though I played just for fun, I still learned things and what not on the way. For a long time I played as balanced characters, or whatever you would call them (like Ryu), then after trying out new characters, I realized I'm better with slow big dudes (Potemkin, Hugo, Hulk, etc.).

    Playing to be the best and to win, that would stress me out. My suggestion, just play for fun, you'll get better.
  • dav3ybdav3yb Quarter Man Joined: Posts: 1,120
    I've pretty much started ST since HD came out... to be honest, i think its a bit sad how people have clinged to the game so much after all these years. People have been playing the game for WAY too long, and for any newcomer it just kinda sucks realizing it. there's way too much i dont understand about the game, and i really have no one to show me what im doing wrong/how to do something right. throws are the main thing i think. i try and do some jumpin shit and end with a nice throw, only to have my opponent throw me instead. then they jump in and are able to end in a throw.

    people have disected this game TOO much. The point where individual frames come into play is really where shit needs to take a break. Yet its something thats needed just to be on a decent level of competitiveness.
  • deadfrogdeadfrog Joined: Joined: Posts: 6,787
    I've pretty much started ST since HD came out... to be honest, i think its a bit sad how people have clinged to the game so much after all these years. People have been playing the game for WAY too long, and for any newcomer it just kinda sucks realizing it. there's way too much i dont understand about the game, and i really have no one to show me what im doing wrong/how to do something right. throws are the main thing i think. i try and do some jumpin shit and end with a nice throw, only to have my opponent throw me instead. then they jump in and are able to end in a throw.

    people have disected this game TOO much. The point where individual frames come into play is really where shit needs to take a break. Yet its something thats needed just to be on a decent level of competitiveness.
    :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
  • damdaidamdai www.damdai.com Joined: Posts: 1,079
    I've pretty much started ST since HD came out... to be honest, i think its a bit sad how people have clinged to the game so much after all these years. People have been playing the game for WAY too long, and for any newcomer it just kinda sucks realizing it. there's way too much i dont understand about the game, and i really have no one to show me what im doing wrong/how to do something right. throws are the main thing i think. i try and do some jumpin shit and end with a nice throw, only to have my opponent throw me instead. then they jump in and are able to end in a throw.

    people have disected this game TOO much. The point where individual frames come into play is really where shit needs to take a break. Yet its something thats needed just to be on a decent level of competitiveness.

    I just got into the game seriously a year ago. I do not analyze individual frames, nor do I own the yoga book hyper. Everything you need can come from experience and a good sense of space and time.
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    space and time.
    See?!! Being good at Street Fighter is about magic! :bgrin:
  • deadfrogdeadfrog Joined: Joined: Posts: 6,787
    Okay, dude dude dude, I have to explain for you here, and anyone else who feels the same way as you, because I don't want to just be the asshole and I genuinely do want that you stick with the game.

    Right now, you sound just like those dudes who send hate messages to other players online when they lose.

    THAT is the attitude that stops you from improving. It's not some motivational speaker bullshit, this the hard truth. You're closing your mind to learning, and getting better at ANYTHING is 100% about learning. It's no coincidence that, the higher up you look in the echelons of skill, the more you'll find the top players are really friendly people.

    You are either going to quit this game out of rage, or stick with it out of love.

    I urge you to acquire a positive outlook on life. Grow it, nurture it. Learn it. It will bring you happiness and success with any endeavour you undertake, and it will most definitely bring you massive improvements in our silly little video game. I promise.

    If you stick with it--and I truly hope you do--sometime down the road, you will understand what I mean and be able to laugh at yourself for this. If you stick with it, we will be your friends, and we'll have a wonderful time. If you stay, you will enjoy yourself and the time you've spent, you will see yourself become much stronger, and you will ultimately have won. If you stay, we will laugh WITH you.

    If you quit, if you wuss out, if you bail and throw a scream tantrum and have a good cry about it, that is when you've lost. That's the only way to really lose. We will laugh not at your lack of understanding of the game itself, but at your lack of understanding of what it takes to improve yourself as a player and as a person, and your lack of understanding of life. If you go, we will laugh AT you.

    I tend to consider myself a nice guy, I try very hard to be one; I want great things for you, I want you to be awesome, I want you to be all you can be... but right now, you need a solid kick in the pants and I am most definitely laughing AT you.
  • dav3ybdav3yb Quarter Man Joined: Posts: 1,120
    i find when your getting angry at something, continuing it ends up making things worse. when your getting to the point where after one round loss, you quit mid-match, then just turn it off, and go cool down for a while, do something else, play something else, but clear your mind. You cant expect to perform as well as you can with your mind clouded with rage.
  • deadfrogdeadfrog Joined: Joined: Posts: 6,787
    Mmmh okay, I would definitely agree with that. To clarify, by "quit" I was referring to the long-term, a permanent departure from the game, rather than taking a short break. This will be in response to what you've just written.

    I'm going to give you a valuable piece of advice (I've heard it numerous times from other people and it certainly helps me) and then apply it in three ways.

    Here's the advice: When you're in a situation that you're having great difficulty dealing with, while it is good to have an understanding what to do when trying to handle or manage or get out of it as well as possible, it is more important to recognize it as a bad situation; it's even more important to have an understanding of how to avoid that situation entirely.

    Application 1: Zangief tick throws you to death every time he gets close! While being able to reversal well is of great help, just plain keeping him at bay as much as possible should be the real focus. It's great to be able to deal with that bad situation (Zangief being close) as well as possible in case/if/when he actually does get in on you, but preventing him from reaching that opportunity is a more effective strategy, and so should be your true goal.

    Application 2: You're losing to someone repeatedly! What is he doing to beat you? How are his responses to your actions winning out? Are you doing the same thing over and over again after you know he knows a counter? Are you giving him openings? Are you repeatedly doing things that are unsafe or unreliable? Is he baiting a mistake from you? Does he know poking distances better? Is he keeping pressure on until he sees you hesitate, and then throwing you? Try and change that immediately if you can, and practice it if you can't.

    Application 3: Getting beaten by someone is making you angry! While taking some time to cool off is probably a good idea, figure out why it's making you so mad and try to change that instead. "Just don't get mad in the first place," I know, easier said that done, but hear me out, and nobody said this would be easy. Think of it this way: he won because he was somehow, in some way, a better player. There is probably all sorts of shit you can learn from him. What a treat, and what an honour! You have been given the chance to procure new knowledge, information, and understanding from someone who does this better than you can. How fortunate is that? Not only that, you just had the wonderful opportunity to meet and play against someone who shares a common love of the game, just like you. That's pretty fuckin' cool. I'll bet you'd be feeling disappointed if you couldn't find anybody who wanted to play. Heck, aside from all that, at the end of the day it's just a game! Chances are you probably have a roof over your head, something to eat, clean water to drink, no reasonless tortures or punishments scheduled for you in the foreseeable future, and at least one person who genuinely cares about you: Lucky!!

    Being able to take one step back and thinking just a little further outside of the immediate will afford you an incredible change.
  • Syxx573Syxx573 Jo Mama Joined: Posts: 8,963
    I've pretty much started ST since HD came out... to be honest, i think its a bit sad how people have clinged to the game so much after all these years. People have been playing the game for WAY too long, and for any newcomer it just kinda sucks realizing it. there's way too much i dont understand about the game, and i really have no one to show me what im doing wrong/how to do something right. throws are the main thing i think. i try and do some jumpin shit and end with a nice throw, only to have my opponent throw me instead. then they jump in and are able to end in a throw.

    people have disected this game TOO much. The point where individual frames come into play is really where shit needs to take a break. Yet its something thats needed just to be on a decent level of competitiveness.

    sorry this game is actually pretty easy to get into... easy to annalyize. It's not like there is dozens of moves for each character like in a 3d fighter.. just some different types of normals and specials.... peace
  • Syxx573Syxx573 Jo Mama Joined: Posts: 8,963
    btw i'm gonna beat slevin back into retirement next time we play
  • dav3ybdav3yb Quarter Man Joined: Posts: 1,120
    sorry this game is actually pretty easy to get into... easy to annalyize. It's not like there is dozens of moves for each character like in a 3d fighter.. just some different types of normals and specials.... peace

    well having played the game for a grand total of... maybe a couple weeks... i dont quite have all the details in place. i dont quite understand why somethings dont happen the way ive seen them. Im sure its easy for someone also who is used to fighting games, but i've not played many of those either... the occasional one here and there, but nothing serious or more than a week or so at a time.
  • G.O.TG.O.T #1 Haggar fan Joined: Posts: 2,164
    Dude I don't know why this thread is still here.


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  • deadfrogdeadfrog Joined: Joined: Posts: 6,787
    a couple weeks
    While I'm not particularly surprised about this based on what you've been saying, I want to highlight for you that, well, here's the problem! It's crazy to compare yourself and your own abilities (or lack thereof) to people who have years of practice. It's even crazier to think you'll be able to break even or even keep up with them, let alone be on the same level as them.

    A novice player is already a master of his craft compared to a total beginner, who is again dwarfed by a decent player, who is in turn absolutely outclassed by an intermediate player... and we haven't even started getting into the "good" players yet!

    It's silly to think you'd be able to carve something out of wood in two weeks as well as someone who's been practicing carpentry for eight years, or even just six months. That is fucking looneybins, sonbuddy broboy.

    If you like basketball, wouldn't it be kinda cool if you got the chance to play around against a strong NCAA player? Would you get angry if he beat you?! Does it really matter if you lost? Does it matter that he's not a top-of-the-top NBA player? No, he's still leaps and bounds better than you, and talent aside it's mostly because he's trained more than you. He will be able to do things you cannot do, do things you can in ways you never thought of, and maybe even a few that you never imagined were possible. It would be a huge opportunity for learning, and unless you're stupid about it you'd probably have fun.

    Here's a glimpse example of how many more thoughts ahead of you that a lightly experienced player would have. While you're struggling with the sonic boom motion, they're waiting for you to throw that fierce sonic boom (they noticed you use the same one every time) so they can short hurricane over it, then bait a dumb whiff because you don't understand spacing, and punish your ass with a lil' combo while your character is recovering from that move.

    The really cool thing about SF is you can/will eventually get there too, and better. You just need to do three things, each of which inevitably leads into the next: suck it up, learn to have a good time, and play a lot more.


    edit: A lot more! :smile:
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    While I'm not particularly surprised about this based on what you've been saying, I want to highlight for you that, well, here's the problem! It's crazy to compare yourself and your own abilities (or lack thereof) to people who have years of practice. It's even crazier to think you'll be able to break even or even keep up with them, let alone be on the same level as them.

    A novice player is already a master of his craft compared to a total beginner, who is again dwarfed by a decent player, who is in turn absolutely outclassed by an intermediate player... and we haven't even started getting into the "good" players yet!

    It's silly to think you'd be able to carve something out of wood in two weeks as well as someone who's been practicing carpentry for eight years, or even just six months. That is fucking looneybins, sonbuddy broboy.

    If you like basketball, wouldn't it be kinda cool if you got the chance to play around against a strong NCAA player? Would you get angry if he beat you?! Does it really matter if you lost? Does it matter that he's not a top-of-the-top NBA player? No, he's still leaps and bounds better than you, and talent aside it's mostly because he's trained more than you. He will be able to do things you cannot do, do things you can in ways you never thought of, and maybe even a few that you never imagined were possible. It would be a huge opportunity for learning, and unless you're stupid about it you'd probably have fun.

    Here's a glimpse example of how many more thoughts ahead of you that a lightly experienced player would have. While you're struggling with the sonic boom motion, they're waiting for you to throw that fierce sonic boom (they noticed you use the same one every time) so they can short hurricane over it, then bait a dumb whiff because you don't understand spacing, and punish your ass with a lil' combo while your character is recovering from that move.

    The really cool thing about SF is you can/will eventually get there too, and better. You just need to do three things, each of which inevitably leads into the next: suck it up, learn to have a good time, and play a lot more.


    edit: A lot more! :smile:

    Hi, I'm new here, but I've been reading the shoryuken forums for a long time. I'm one of those people that have played fighting games forever, but I have lacked the competition required to really excel. I know the basics and even the non-basics although I don't have much experience in situations where the things I know would really need to come into play because of the competition I'm facing. 90% of it is actual practice of those techniques so naturally I'm not very proficient in a lot of the stuff required. Anyway, the main point I'm trying to make or actually agree with frog on is that you should be happy to be facing people that beat you because there is a lot to learn there. Also a winner has to know how to lose. You will not win all the time, no one will. If you are winning all the time then you aren't playing proficient enough people. The skill gap between top players is so small that they will trade off on wins most of the time, and any person can win on any given day.
  • Josh-TheFunkDOCJosh-TheFunkDOC Double Dutch! Joined: Posts: 2,404 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    The last few posts are great, but I think there's a different side worth considering.

    If you find yourself getting legitimately angry/sad over your performance in a game, it may be beneficial to stop for a while and take an honest look at yourself.

    Any kind of competitive game (SF, sports, whatever) is simply not kind to people with certain types of psychological problems: Confidence, self-esteem, etc. If you struggle with any of these, you will not be able to succeed.

    In short, if you're really at a loss, it may be worthwhile to look at the big picture. You might have to make yourself a better person before you can become a better player...that was the case with me, anyway.
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    i give up trying to compete in ST and other fighting games.... i give up trying to 'practice' for a tourney that i know im gonna lose.... im tried of trying to get good at a game when i know im gonna be beat.... im tired of everything..... im tried of playing ST hours on end trying to figure out match ups, to no avail... and lastly im sick and tired of waiting for ST:HD. fuck it im through!

    Maybe you're just not fit for ST. I was in the same position for lots of games but then quickly realized that it just wasn't gonna happen. One day I tried out BlazBlue and turns out I'm a natural at it. My second time playing at the BB machine and I was able to stay strong against the guys who have been playing on the machine for 2 weeks. I only knew the basics at that time and now I'm ready to try the more advanced stuff. Point being, not everything is going to be as it seems. Try other games and see what it's like.
  • deadfrogdeadfrog Joined: Joined: Posts: 6,787
    The last few posts are great, but I think there's a different side worth considering.

    If you find yourself getting legitimately angry/sad over your performance in a game, it may be beneficial to stop for a while and take an honest look at yourself.

    Any kind of competitive game (SF, sports, whatever) is simply not kind to people with certain types of psychological problems: Confidence, self-esteem, etc. If you struggle with any of these, you will not be able to succeed.

    In short, if you're really at a loss, it may be worthwhile to look at the big picture. You might have to make yourself a better person before you can become a better player...that was the case with me, anyway.
    Actually yes, that's really true too. And for the record, Josh is a really great person and a really great player. :smile:

    I wanted to add though that, for some people, those same kinds of competitive games can actually help them develop in exactly the way Josh mentioned; so, don't necessarily leave SF in favour of self-improvement until you know that it's NOT helping you. Just take a vacation from it if it isn't.

    Between quitting or staying with it, I suppose the third option is that you could just get bored and wander off, in which case either you don't get fighting games, or I don't get you! Fighting games are wayyy too cool for that. :lol:
  • Syxx573Syxx573 Jo Mama Joined: Posts: 8,963
    in case u guys missed it slevin is still playing now lol

    maybe someone should just close this
  • Josh-TheFunkDOCJosh-TheFunkDOC Double Dutch! Joined: Posts: 2,404 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    in case u guys missed it slevin is still playing now lol

    maybe someone should just close this

    dude i know i even gave shoutouts in the tourney thread

    if you noticed, there is now someone else here who's been looking for help. that explains all of the recent posts
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  • 123-Genei-Jin123-Genei-Jin , ?????, Profit! Joined: Posts: 538
    Maybe you're just not fit for ST. I was in the same position for lots of games but then quickly realized that it just wasn't gonna happen. One day I tried out BlazBlue and turns out I'm a natural at it. My second time playing at the BB machine and I was able to stay strong against the guys who have been playing on the machine for 2 weeks. I only knew the basics at that time and now I'm ready to try the more advanced stuff. Point being, not everything is going to be as it seems. Try other games and see what it's like.

    I agree with you but it's not always necessary to simply abandon the game, sometimes trying different characters may help just as much. I used to play Urien and was an overall average player in 3s and was never able to get past that level of play until I finally discovered I was way better with Ibuki and Yun, same thing happened to me in KOF with Angel and Mature, and in general I tend to suck or just get to average level until I finally find a character that feels natural to me.
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    ...despising your useless pride
  • funkpandafunkpanda That Man Funkpanda Joined: Posts: 179
    I think i know why your getting frustrated. I see EVERY new player do it.

    Stop jumping at unoportune times against characters you shouldnt be jumping at.
    I love punishing new players for jumping a lot. They get so frusturated.

    Just because it's fun, doesn't mean you should do it.
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  • sir_arthursir_arthur Joined: Posts: 1,549
    Maybe you're just not fit for ST. I was in the same position for lots of games but then quickly realized that it just wasn't gonna happen. One day I tried out BlazBlue and turns out I'm a natural at it. My second time playing at the BB machine and I was able to stay strong against the guys who have been playing on the machine for 2 weeks. I only knew the basics at that time and now I'm ready to try the more advanced stuff. Point being, not everything is going to be as it seems. Try other games and see what it's like.

    This happened to me with 3s, entered a turney for 3s and ST for fun, i did pretty bad at 3s, but i eneded up better un ST watching only videos, and now i enter ST serious and 3s for fun. Just look for the game that suits you the best.
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  • deadfrogdeadfrog Joined: Joined: Posts: 6,787
    Here is another recent, and surprisingly productive thread for people who get angry playing SFHD.
  • slevin786slevin786 bored Joined: Posts: 399
    in case u guys missed it slevin is still playing now lol

    maybe someone should just close this

    LMAO!!!! :tup: couple of reason's why I'm still playing

    1. Positive feedback and advise from people here

    2. Get on your level so i can at least put up a fight against your cammy...... lol
    good time's... noodle salad
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  • G-BoobieG-Boobie Business Apostate Joined: Posts: 390
    The last few posts are great, but I think there's a different side worth considering.

    If you find yourself getting legitimately angry/sad over your performance in a game, it may be beneficial to stop for a while and take an honest look at yourself.

    Any kind of competitive game (SF, sports, whatever) is simply not kind to people with certain types of psychological problems: Confidence, self-esteem, etc. If you struggle with any of these, you will not be able to succeed.

    In short, if you're really at a loss, it may be worthwhile to look at the big picture. You might have to make yourself a better person before you can become a better player...that was the case with me, anyway.

    This here is truth.

    Consider also, as I'm sure you've already read in this here thread, that some of these fine folks have been playing this game for a DECADE OR MORE. On top of that, they're naturally skilled gamers. You can't expect to compete on that level right off the bat, regardless of intent. It's not going to happen.

    I'm a complete and total scrub, but I realized something that might help you out a bit: every time I end up in a match with one of the SRK big boys, I lose badly. But I also learn something. I might learn to avoid blocking low all the time, or that you can pull off a fierce SRK on wakeup with Ken, or that I need to work on my Honda game versus Guile. But I learn. Trash talk and flaming are inevitable on the internet, or on Xbox live or PSN, but it doesn't mean anything. It's just noise: completely irrelevant bullshit. Ignore it and watch how they play, and don't worry if you 'lose'. If you don't lose, you don't learn. End of story.

    If you keep it up, and just have fun with it, you'll get there. Anything that you do for fun will lose it's charm if you work at it like it's a job.
  • Radiantsilvergun3Radiantsilvergun3 Smooth Criminal Joined: Posts: 11,277
    The majority of this topic makes Ryu frown.
    RoninChaos: A snap back is when you pimp slap a bitch with your back hand, and snap back around to catch her with the front.

    In this one and only life, I fear not death but monotony
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