Chun-Li HD Remix

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  • VOLTECHVOLTECH Voltech Arcade Sticks FTW Joined: Posts: 3,040
    But thats the easy way lol You know how sometimes you'll be holding back and when some jumps over you and you press puch punch just as they cross you up and you get a kikoken instead because it registers as a charge even though you never changed direction on the stick. Thats what I'm trying to exploit ;)
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  • CauldrathCauldrath Joined: Posts: 617
    The game doesn't care about left/right, though, only forward/back. So, to get the same effect as the accidental Kikoken, you'd charge back, then press forward, back, kick (relative to their original facing). As long as they cross you up sometime between the charge back and the kick, you should get the super. This just seems like a bad habit to get into, though, because if they don't cross you up fast enough, you won't complete the super motion. It could also be possible for them to cross you up during the exact wrong part of the motion, so you wind up with back, forward, forward, kick, if they get you while you are transitioning from forward to back, or back, back, forward, kick, if they get you when you are transitioning from back to forward. It might actually be worth doing charge back, forward, back, forward, back, kick just to make sure that doesn't happen.

    EDIT: Oh, and if you negative edge your super, you'll be blocking instead of supering if they aren't on the side you guessed they would be. I also still think the "easy way" is the best way by any metric I can think of: reliability, ease of use, safety. The only time I would even consider doing the other way is if they are somehow surprising me with a cross up while I have a back charge but no stored super, but I can't think of an instance where that would happen in offline gameplay. Even then I think I would opt for a SBK negative edge unless it was a really high cross up because I wouldn't want to risk supering the wrong way.
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  • UnessentialUnessential Joined: Posts: 1,171
    Yeah, I mentioned both ways, the first way was the "easy way" and the second way is the way you were trying to do it. I just didn't make it clear that the forward to store your charge is after the crossup. Either way, yeah, There's really no advantage to doing it the hard way than the easy way I just do it when the pressure got to me and I didn't mange to do it the easy way properly and i'm hoping the for the best...
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  • VOLTECHVOLTECH Voltech Arcade Sticks FTW Joined: Posts: 3,040
    We should get all the chun players together and have a Chun showdown lol Last Chun standing wins ;)

    Hey I found something kinda strange the other day.

    If I do a meaty cross up and hold into my opponent do a press cls.mp - cls.hp link I'll get the double open palm but if I hold away I'll get the blue fist. I was trying to do a cross up mk cls.mp - cls.hp to kikoken I did get it a few times but I have to be super meaty where she swings the wrong way with the cls.mp lol Any thoughts?
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  • CauldrathCauldrath Joined: Posts: 617
    Since you're getting the far st. hp because you are walking backwards, try holding down-back until the frame you press mp and hp. That will keep you from walking backwards. You've got up to an 7-frame window to press mp and a 4-frame window to press hp, so that's a lot of opportunities to accidentally walk backwards. As for the wrong way cross up, I haven't gotten around to narrowing down how that window of backwardsness works, but I'm pretty sure landing a bit further behind them will help prevent it.

    One thing that I've had happen that I can't explain yet is comboing cl. lp into cl. mk. All the numbers say it can't happen (+3 frame advantage from cl. lp (11 hit stun-4 active frames+4 recovery)+1 for being the first hit in a combo, 5-frame start up for cl. mk), but it does. I can't seem to combo cl. mp, cr. mp, cr. lk, or cr. mk, and they have 4-frame start ups, and I can't combo cl. lk or cl. hp (3-frame) on second-hit cl. lps. Either cl. mk actually has only 3 start-up frames, or something really weird is going on, like being able to cancel the last 2 frames of cl. lp into cl. mk. Cr. lp has the same active and recovery frames and won't combo the same way (or into itself, cl. mk, or cl. hp). I'm wondering if maybe that move has another recovery or active frame, as well.

    The last thing that I didn't realize is the hk ground SBK gets two grounded hits on Zangief, Balrog, Sagat, T. Hawk, and Fei Long. Guess that's what I get for using mk all the time. It's kind of weird, though, especially with Fei, because hit hits him right next to the ground where she doesn't show an active hit box in the frame data. I can also hit Sagat twice really quick at the top of his head and still not hit him another time lower, so something seems to be affecting when SBK's hit boxes come out.
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  • AfL IsleAfL Isle ... Joined: Posts: 22
    Can someone explain the different between the ground SBKs in HDR? Because they all look the same me, I can't notice any different in start up, travel-distance, recovery etc.

    Also Voltech, how are you doing walk up c.forward -> c.forward super without stored super coming out assuming that its stored that is?
  • CauldrathCauldrath Joined: Posts: 617
    http://www.pedantic.org/~nate/HDR/chunli/sbkshort.html - medium distance, fastest start up, fastest recovery, least invulnerable frames, most vulnerable start-up hitbox, usually +0 on block/hit
    http://www.pedantic.org/~nate/HDR/chunli/sbkforward.html - least distance, medium start up, usually -3 on block/hit
    http://www.pedantic.org/~nate/HDR/chunli/sbkroundhouse.html - most distance, slowest start up, can hit certain characters twice, usually -6 on block/hit

    Mixing them up can make punishing your SBKs very difficult because of the 3 invulnerable frames just prior to the last 3 recovery frames.

    As for stored super, if you let go of towards you can use kicks without the super coming out, and you can keep stored super if you press towards again within a few frames of releasing it.
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  • Guile75Guile75 Joined: Posts: 106
    VS EHONDA, i was fighting super1nyc, on 2 occasions after he knocked me down, he did a very deep sumo headbutt from distance, (medium i think), i think it worked as a crossover because it hit me, whilst i was blocking. i tested my stick and it isnt faulty.
  • VOLTECHVOLTECH Voltech Arcade Sticks FTW Joined: Posts: 3,040
    http://www.pedantic.org/~nate/HDR/chunli/sbkshort.html - medium distance, fastest start up, fastest recovery, least invulnerable frames, most vulnerable start-up hitbox, usually +0 on block/hit
    http://www.pedantic.org/~nate/HDR/chunli/sbkforward.html - least distance, medium start up, usually -3 on block/hit
    http://www.pedantic.org/~nate/HDR/chunli/sbkroundhouse.html - most distance, slowest start up, can hit certain characters twice, usually -6 on block/hit


    Is this in the order of LK, Mk and HK? It's a little confusing and I should know this stuff lol

    Everything else sounds good. Yes I tap back while hitting the mk then quickly go back to forward. I'll also press a Punch button just after the Kick so it will cancel the negative edge (when you release the kick button) super from coming out. Hope that make sense...

    I found that with the up kicks the L.K version has the most invulnerable start up meaning I get hit less out of it. M.K gets stuffed by most jump ins but H.K is good for combos and juggles after super because of the extended range.
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  • TheloThelo Holdin' down-back Joined: Posts: 1,144 mod
    VS EHONDA, i was fighting super1nyc, on 2 occasions after he knocked me down, he did a very deep sumo headbutt from distance, (medium i think), i think it worked as a crossover because it hit me, whilst i was blocking. i tested my stick and it isnt faulty.
    Yeah, it's possible to have a meaty headbutt hit as a crossup, although the Honda player needs really tight timing for it to work.
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  • Guile75Guile75 Joined: Posts: 106
    Yeah, it's possible to have a meaty headbutt hit as a crossup, although the Honda player needs really tight timing for it to work.

    Well thats a bit terrifying, but mad fun still.

    Right my next question is about something which occurs in every round, but appears to be random and if it is mastered is a huge game changer.

    Situation: Opponent jumps in and hits you but your character seems to perform a mini jump out of the combo which was about to hit you :confused:, WTF is this, it happens alot and saves me from some very big combos, i think its ST'S roll cancel equivalent, a total game changer, which no one seems to be able to abuse. I think its linked to the old wiggle tech.
  • JigglyNorrisJigglyNorris The Low Tier Hero Joined: Posts: 1,279
    I don't think that meaty cross-up Headbutt is worth it unless you absolutely know its gonna work. If that shit gets blocked, Honda is in a reaaaaaaaaally bad spot.
  • x64x64 Fuck your SRK Joined: Posts: 3,205
    Situation: Opponent jumps in and hits you but your character seems to perform a mini jump out of the combo which was about to hit you :confused:, WTF is this, it happens alot and saves me from some very big combos, i think its ST'S roll cancel equivalent, a total game changer, which no one seems to be able to abuse. I think its linked to the old wiggle tech.

    There seems to be very rare instances where combos can be jumped out of (or interrupted by the guy getting comboed on) if the timing is late as possible (like Rog's super fucking up in the corner).
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  • oldschool_BRoldschool_BR Projectile spammer Joined: Posts: 2,442
    Situation: Opponent jumps in and hits you but your character seems to perform a mini jump out of the combo which was about to hit you :confused:, WTF is this, it happens alot and saves me from some very big combos, i think its ST'S roll cancel equivalent, a total game changer, which no one seems to be able to abuse.
    This happens since WW. If you get hit while preparing for a jump, you will get hit either once or twice (if the enemy hits you for a combo, ie., before hit-stun ends), then you get into air recovery animation.
  • Big OBig O Joined: Posts: 381
    What happens is if you get hit on the last jump frame, the next hit of a combo will make you pop out as if you got hit in the air. It's pretty rare for most part, but quick jumpers could probably do it on purpose. It was done in one of NKI combo vids where T Hawk jumps out of Ryu's J HK, Cr. MKxxSuper and does his own super in the corner. It had classical music playing, but I don't remember what it was called.
  • VOLTECHVOLTECH Voltech Arcade Sticks FTW Joined: Posts: 3,040
    Yay new tricks! I'll have to try this on cross up pressure and see if it helps me escape or get me killed lol I bet if I had a stored super I could jump out land and land a super before they recovered from their hit frames. hmmmm?
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  • Guile75Guile75 Joined: Posts: 106
    This happens since WW. If you get hit while preparing for a jump, you will get hit either once or twice (if the enemy hits you for a combo, ie., before hit-stun ends), then you get into air recovery animation.

    If you get any time, please expand on your explanation.


    Big O
    It was done in one of NKI combo vids where T Hawk jumps out of Ryu's J HK, Cr. MKxxSuper and does his own super in the corner. It had classical music playing, but I don't remember what it was called...
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    the phenomenon iam talking about isnt in that video, i watched it again and T hawk bounces off the wall or something but there is no mini somersault animation.
    Maybe iam going for upkicks late then trying to block down back almost instantaneously.
  • Big OBig O Joined: Posts: 381
    The only reason there was no "mini somersault" was because T Hawk was in the corner. The corner does weird stuff to knockdown and air reel animations. Basically he would have flipped but the corner cut it short, which is what you would probably want anyway since you recover faster.
  • Guile75Guile75 Joined: Posts: 106
    The only reason there was no "mini somersault" was because T Hawk was in the corner. The corner does weird stuff to knockdown and air reel animations. Basically he would have flipped but the corner cut it short, which is what you would probably want anyway since you recover faster.

    I rewatched it and i was wrong, your right it happens at 56 seconds, does this mean NKI knows how to do it???
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  • VOLTECHVOLTECH Voltech Arcade Sticks FTW Joined: Posts: 3,040
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  • AfL IsleAfL Isle ... Joined: Posts: 22
    Thanks for the Chun Li ass whoopin Voltech <3. I got a lot of improvement to do within my game before I am consider a good player. Also what up Guile75 (play to win) :D.
  • UnessentialUnessential Joined: Posts: 1,171
    I have a feeling that all my ST skills have disappeared since marvel 3... I'm a little bit afraid to go back to playing and get owned by scrubs... =/
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  • NecrotrophicNecrotrophic Isn't a communist. Joined: Posts: 5,946
    hey guys im still somewhat new to the game can you give me tips on how to deal with bison? i cant jump at him, and i get thrown a lot. this match is just really difficult for me and i dont even know where to begin
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  • thesharkfactorthesharkfactor Joined: Posts: 32
    voltech keeps kicking my ass with his cross over supers.. i have looked into this move in training mode but cannot seem to work out how to pull it off?

    how do i jump over a character (or even cross up) and into super as soon as i land?
  • mrdhalsimmrdhalsim Joined: Posts: 378
    Well thats a bit terrifying, but mad fun still.

    Re: Honda cross up with headbutt.... If this is what I'm thinking of, I don't know if it's actually a true cross up... Honda has to time it such that the headbutt flies over the opponent who is knocked down and is still getting up-- i.e. the opponent will get up facing the other way/same direction Honda did his headbutt to-- AND have it connect with the opponent's hitbox _right_ before the headbutt goes from the state of hitting to the state of recovery. I say not really a true cross up because the character got up already facing what would have been the other way.

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  • VOLTECHVOLTECH Voltech Arcade Sticks FTW Joined: Posts: 3,040
    voltech keeps kicking my ass with his cross over supers.. i have looked into this move in training mode but cannot seem to work out how to pull it off?

    how do i jump over a character (or even cross up) and into super as soon as i land?

    Hehe - The cross over super is just like the cross under super while the cross up super is a little trickier but the same principle.

    1. Store super and hold in the direction of the character.
    2. While changing sides (jumping over or walking under) move the stick in the direction of the character you are focusing on. You have a small window of time to move the stick from say right to left and keep the super stored.
    3. Press kick to release the super.

    If done correctly you should be able to jump over the character an unlimited amount of times and release the super at will.

    For bonus points you can cross up into a combo before releasing the super but most times you will get the dizzy before the super ever comes out so it's best done on a dizzied opponent.

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  • thesharkfactorthesharkfactor Joined: Posts: 32
    thanks mate.. i'll give that some practice now!
    thanks again!
  • thesharkfactorthesharkfactor Joined: Posts: 32
    lols ha ha.,. lol.. etc..
    works perfectly, cheers for the tip votech.. see you online.. !..
  • RandomRandom Joined: Posts: 323
    ^^^ Is that a legit combo at 1:38?
  • RandomRandom Joined: Posts: 323
    This dead forum is now my personal whine zone.

    Everything beats Chun's Upkicks. Always finding something new stuffing it. Just fought a beastly Cammy who jumping light kicked my Upkicks, and did that flying grab to stuff it also, plus jumping medium punch. Bison is the only character so far who I don't think can jump at Chun without being punished (aside from neutral jump, he can do that).

    Can't help but wonder how they were deemed acceptable. She literally has no priority in 9/10 trades. Im happy when I clash for Gods sake.
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