Albedo, post: 2550085 wrote:
... seriously the majority of people online play so scrubby/cheap... either spam the same shit over again, poke all day, or throw like crazy. I HAD ENOUGH!
Maybe I come across one or two guys a day who have some decent technical skills, 3 hit combos and two in ones... But seriously, these people HARDLY exist. Anyways, I'm starting to develop some skill to put these fools away, but still, what ever happen to the good ol days where people are actually good?
... seriously the majority of people online play so scrubby/cheap... either spam the same shit over again, poke all day, or throw like crazy.
Albedo, post: 2550090 wrote:
Well it's just that I remember when I was growing up SF2 was HUGE, convince stores, arcades, shopping malls, where ever... a lot of the people I saw played A LOT more differently around here...
I remember everyone around here considered throwing "cheap". So if you were to accidentally throw someone in a match you'd do something called "respect" and let the other guy throw you back haha, good ol days... I dunno that might've been just a thing that started around here, I dunno if anything like that ever existed in the States...
Risergy, post: 2550104 wrote:
Oh wow! I didn't know that ranked matches recorded that! I need to check my win/loss record to see how my "respect ranking" is!
deadfrog, post: 2550106 wrote:
I am the scrub player everyone is complaining about. There are so many of me online.
nothingxs, post: 2550100 wrote:
In Street Fighter, the scrub labels a wide variety of tactics and situations cheap. This cheapness is truly the mantra of the scrub. Performing a throw on someone is often called cheap. A throw is a special kind of move that grabs an opponent and damages him, even when the opponent is defending against all other kinds of attacks. The entire purpose of the throw is to be able to damage an opponent who sits and blocks and doesnt attack. As far as the game is concerned, throwing is an integral part of the designits meant to be thereyet the scrub has constructed his own set of principles in his mind that state he should be totally impervious to all attacks while blocking. The scrub thinks of blocking as a kind of magic shield that will protect him indefinitely. Why? Exploring the reasoning is futile since the notion is ridiculous from the start.
You will not see a classic scrub throw his opponent five times in a row. But why not? What if doing so is strategically the sequence of moves that optimizes his chances of winning? Here weve encountered our first clash: the scrub is only willing to play to win within his own made-up mental set of rules. These rules can be staggeringly arbitrary. If you beat a scrub by throwing projectile attacks at him, keeping your distance and preventing him from getting near youthats cheap. If you throw him repeatedly, thats cheap, too. Weve covered that one. If you block for fifty seconds doing no moves, thats cheap. Nearly anything you do that ends up making you win is a prime candidate for being called cheap. Street Fighter was just one example; I could have picked any competitive game at all.
Albedo, post: 2550105 wrote:
Your sarcasm fails lol, back in the days, online play didn't exist. Damn all you new kids hah....
But seriously megaultrasuper is the only person here who understands what I'm trying to say here.
Let's take cross ups for example. I'd say this isn't "fancy" it works, I do them every time I get a chance to (Usually attempt on a downed opponent) and can lead to some serious damage (Sorry for sounding like a noob when it comes to fighting lingo here, I know I'm not saying the right terms lol) yet, I HARDLY see anyone doing this.
Another good example is when you get your opponent dizzy. This is the best opportunity to dish out the damage, right? Typically, I see people do throws or something. Sure that does good damage (if it isn't teched) but doesn't a 3 hit fierce combo do like twice that amount of damage? Fuck fancy, that actually DOES DAMAGE. But I wonder why people don't do that? Maybe cause they aren't capable of doing it?
Hopefully someone gets what I'm trying to say here...
Nevermore, post: 2550121 wrote:
I'm not really going to comment on whether or not constant throws are "cheap" or what, but I do know that I feel like a scrub when a lot of my matches are won from chip > throw damage. Most of the time I'd say all of the throws are just reversals to other people trying to throw me or do a standing move in my face and the only time I really intentionally start throwing is when I'm behind and the match is almost over. Wins a lot of matches, but I'd rather be getting more cross ups and combos off.
Runyun, post: 2550125 wrote:
SF2 has always rewarded cheap, low risk techniques. Denying it is just as ridiculous as complaining about it.
People lose to my Blanka all the time and it's not because I'm a skilled player. Most characters simply can't do much of anything against a tick bite even if they know it's coming.
Part of the appeal of SF2 is that I can use cheap moves to beat better players without having to put in as much effort as them. If they don't resort to the kind of garbage that I use, then they will probably lose.
In the end, I don't have the free time or the inclination to learn a game that actually rewards skillful play like Virtua Fighter.
I'm not disparaging SF2 or trying to be clever. This is just the reality of it.
rcaido, post: 2550128 wrote:
Does that mean gief is not allowed to throw...
Albedo, post: 2550126 wrote:
For the people who think I'm scrub, then face me. Only PS3 though =(
Lonewolf_Fenrir, post: 2550131 wrote:
Didnt you read all those quotes from playing to win by David Sirlin ?
You're the definition of the scrub, not just one...
First you come here, and you say almost every player is a scrub, then you complain about so-called cheap stuff like throws.
Seriously, either you just play for fun or you play seriously, intending to win.
If you're playing to win, then there's just no reason to try to be fair...
If you're fighting someone in real life, will you save your life ? Or not send them sand in the eyes because it's cheap and you have your honor ?
I'd definitely do anything to save my life, and i'll do anything in SSF2THD to win the match...cause that's the purpose of the game. If you're not trying to win, what's the point ? Try another type of games...
Albedo, post: 2550133 wrote:
All I'm trying say here is that there is a higher level of play... Street fighter has been out forever now, and these kinds of games that are played at a higher level shape the game into something else. A great example would be Super Smash brothers Melee, I remember playing that game at first thinking I mastered it. Then I randomly stumbled upon a video online showing a SSBB tournament. I was fricken AMAZED when I saw that, people utilizing wave dashing, edge defense and all this craziness. I thought to myself, wow... this game is completely something different when played at a higher level, that makes it SO much more fun to watch, and apparently, so much more fun to play.
Now anyone watch SSF2T combo videos? Yes a lot of those aren't doable in a real match, but someone I faced did something very very similar to the things I saw on that.... and I was like wow SSF2T played at this level, that's insane...
So if this is what Street Figher is all about just poking turtling, throwing all day, then I'm sorry, you guys are right.... I didn't know that this was the way to play this game. It's just after all these years, I thought a game like this would've evolved into something different.