THE SF4 BEGINNERS Thread! NEW? POST HERE FIRST!

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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    I am a new poster, but longtime lurker.

    Me too, never had much to bring to the table so held off registering.

    Been playing since I was a kid (mainly kof), but never took it that seriously because there was never really a scene here in the UK when I was growing up. I could always destroy my friends who couldn't care less so it just got boring after a while.

    Then I saw "that Evo 2004 video" which not only blew my mind, but made me realise that perhaps there's more to this than just throwing out fierce SRKs all day long with ken. I bought 3rd strike and have been lurking here ever since.

    SF4 online finally gave me an easy way to find matches. So I bought a stick and decided to get more involved.
  • syrup16gsyrup16g tokido-saaaaan Joined: Posts: 29
    Is it acceptable to use the PPP and KKK buttons on sticks? It isn't like this at the arcade
  • Hiryu02Hiryu02 Respetar la Máscara Joined: Posts: 2,124
    Is it acceptable to use the PPP and KKK buttons on sticks? It isn't like this at the arcade

    Are you speaking of the single button that has all 3 punches or kicks mapped to it? If so, I suppose there's nothing stopping you from doing it, but keep in mind it will hamper your execution and probably cause you to develop bad habits.

    Also, if you were ever in a tournament, you would not be allowed to use those buttons and thus you would be at a disadvantage if that was all you were used to.
    Sev: Your gameplay is the most heavily yomi based around. Usually you look for characters that allow you to force guessing situations for big dmg. Even if the guess is mathamatically no where near in your favor lol. You're happiest when you have either a 50/50, 33/33/33 or even a 75/25 situation to go crazy with. And you will take big risks to force those situations to come up.
  • 37ventt37ventt Joined: Posts: 196
    Is there anyway to punish jab spammers? Alot of times when playing online people will relentlessly spam jab to try to combo interrupt. Offline that would usually not be that much of a problem, but online alot tight combos are much harder to pull off. So is there any way to punish someone who you know is spamming jab while you are doing a combo?
  • SearrenSearren Joined: Posts: 41
    Is there anyway to punish jab spammers? Alot of times when playing online people will relentlessly spam jab to try to combo interrupt. Offline that would usually not be that much of a problem, but online alot tight combos are much harder to pull off. So is there any way to punish someone who you know is spamming jab while you are doing a combo?

    Depending on your characters normals, you can do the first portion of your block string and then move back a little; if they throw out a jab you might be able to punish it with a normal into a special.
  • 37ventt37ventt Joined: Posts: 196
    Thanks for the response. Do you have any character specific examples?
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Super Nub!

    Hi,

    I'm totally new to fighting games. I picked up SFIV and now a fightpad for PC (Chun Li). Its pretty wild being such a noobie in a gaming genre after many years of fairly intense involvement in other games. I've never even owned a console, and rarely played on one (perhaps 10 hours in my life), so besides the whole genre being new, the controller is as well.

    For fear of destroying my keyboard I felt I had to get a fightpad, though I do miss a few things about execution on the keyboard: More precise movement, to be exact. The whole 'floaty' D-Pad of the fightpad has taken some getting used to. At first I'd only last 30 minutes with wild over-mashing of the d-pad, but now I can execute fairly well with more subtle motions, though I'm starting to get concerned about diagonal jumping being reliable enough with this Mad Catz controller (yes I've read about the problems).

    I've found so many answers here on Shoryuken already. What a fantastic site. It was here that I probably first realized just how incredibly deep the game is. I could sense it when I first played, but I would really never have guessed how much empiricism is applied to mastering the game.

    Will probably be a month or two before I venture online for competition. I'd like to be able to reliably beat arcade mode with several characters first. At this point, after 30 hours with the game (mostly training) I can beat it on the 2 easiest levels and am working my way up to 'normal', so it goes without saying that I definitely suck at this point! But its actually refreshing to be this bad at something and have to really work at it to improve. The learning proper execution bit is just about exactly like learning a musical instrument, only harder!

    For a total newb there's a lot of upfront work to be done before even becoming competent.

    I'm training about 1.5 hours a day, thumbs permitting, getting through the normal trials with Chun, Ryu, Ken, Akuma, and a few others. Chun was my first and it was damn hard. I would have failed completely without looking up several tips on the net r/e execution, which is a little disappointing: I would have hoped the game would have at least a modicum of internal instruction in such things as FADC, canceling, linking, and chaining. But the web bridged the divide for me, especially Shoryuken, and I'm really happy to have found this resource.

    Hopefully some day I can give a little back. For now, I just have one question:

    Does anyone know of some videos that show close-ups of fight-pad execution for people new to a fightpad / controller? Any shortcuts I can take to getting the most out of the controller would be great.

    Oh, another question, though less important: Has anyone gotten alternate controller drivers to work with the Mad Catz fightpad? Ala XBCD? I'd love to be able to fine-tune the responsiveness, especially diagonals, but I have yet to find a verified method to use XBCD with the fightpad.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Hi. I have played maybe couple of months SF IV now and still thinking what i should main. I mostly play with Blanka, but i think i will change it someone else.
  • FuLLBLeeDFuLLBLeeD KC SRK Supreme Godking Joined: Posts: 2,159
    I've got a noob question.

    I've started playing SF4 recently and have taken a linking to Dhalsim. I know he's a tough character to learn but I intend to stick to him. I also like Seth and Ken, still trying to decide which one I should main.

    Anyway, my question is, how long does it take to get good with the stick? Currently, I think I whiff moves about 20% of the time. It's pretty frustrating. I SF4 play for about 2 hours each day and am wondering if this is just a temporary phase.

    e: To be more specific, I can land stuff fine in training mode, but when I go online (PC version, player matches against friends with very minimal lag) I seem to whiff moves more. Any advice?
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    I've started playing SF4 recently and have taken a linking to Dhalsim. I know he's a tough character to learn but I intend to stick to him. I also like Seth and Ken, still trying to decide which one I should main.

    I wouldn't main Ken, just for the fact that so many people play him online, most experienced players have a pretty good idea on this match up. With that said, when you come across a good Ken player it can take you by surprise and disrupte your game.
    Anyway, my question is, how long does it take to get good with the stick? Currently, I think I whiff moves about 20% of the time. It's pretty frustrating. I SF4 play for about 2 hours each day and am wondering if this is just a temporary phase.

    I've been playing with a TE since launch and only now am I starting to feel like I'm playing better than I did on a pad, so yeah, there's definitely a steep learning curve. At first I found Ultras and dashes difficult, but once I got use to using more of my arm I improved a lot.

    Don't give up, a stick really opens up all kinds of possibilities that a pad just can't give you, or at least, not as inuatively.
    e: To be more specific, I can land stuff fine in training mode, but when I go online (PC version, player matches against friends with very minimal lag) I seem to whiff moves more. Any advice?

    Surely you know why this is. How can you compare a standing dummy to a human opponent? Even the scrubbiest player will not just stand there and let you combo them all day.
  • J-MoneyJ-Money Multi Mystery-game Master Medalist Joined: Posts: 1,051
    Something to help inexperienced players with the above problem
    I can land stuff fine in training mode, but when I go online (PC version, player matches against friends with very minimal lag) I seem to whiff moves more. Any advice?


    The best way to aliviate this issue is that when ever you learn a new combo, but the computer on very hard, and dont leave training mode until you have landed that combo on the computer succesfully 5 or more times while its on very hard, that will get you used to landing it in clutch situations and will also prolly help you with match awareness along with blocking etc etc etc.

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  • J-MoneyJ-Money Multi Mystery-game Master Medalist Joined: Posts: 1,051
    Thanks for the response. Do you have any character specific examples?

    With any shoto, you can do the 1st part of your blk string then wait for them to punish you then SRK. (i.e. jab jab, (nothing) SRK)

    with rog you can do an EX-dash straight

    chun can do hazunsho to go over it and overhead them

    Honda abel and Gief can just Command grab

    other characters...????
    Are you speaking of the single button that has all 3 punches or kicks mapped to it? If so, I suppose there's nothing stopping you from doing it, but keep in mind it will hamper your execution and probably cause you to develop bad habits.

    Also, if you were ever in a tournament, you would not be allowed to use those buttons and thus you would be at a disadvantage if that was all you were used to.


    Most tournamnets AND EVO allow 3P and 3K buttons on your pad/stick
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  • FuLLBLeeDFuLLBLeeD KC SRK Supreme Godking Joined: Posts: 2,159
    Thanks for the advice everyone. I've found doing more simple movements seems to help a lot in getting moves out, huge circles like I used to do aren't required.
  • TravenportTravenport Joined: Posts: 82
    New here. thought id drop a line
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    New person as well...I made the mistake of posting something over in another forum and forgot to wear my asbestos underwear!

    Anyway, I recently picked up SF4 after not playing since an arcade cabinet back in the Eighties, and would appreciate any assistance on getting control input timing correct--any hints in that direction? Training mode is basically an exercise in frustration for me as some stuff you gotta know requires insane precision on the control stick!
  • TwistTwist RadarTrap Joined: Posts: 698
    getting control input timing correct--any hints in that direction? Training mode is basically an exercise in frustration for me...

    Link timing is tricky and unfortunately the only real solution is lots of practice. If you're using a stick then you can take advantage of techniques like double-tapping or plinking - but there is no magic trick that will get you there without practice.

    In the meantime you can console yourself with the knowledge that it seems freakishly difficult to everyone at first - but does get better. Also, you don't actually *need* link combos to win matches, so don't get too caught up with them if you're getting frustrated.
  • Streetsince92Streetsince92 hella pounded Joined: Posts: 40
    Been lurking the site. Mos def helped with my game. I don't rage. I log on to srk. I wanna second viper.
  • lanunlanun Joined: Posts: 108
    How to use character's theme as background music during Versus?
  • YutsuoYutsuo Jita Kyoei, dude. Joined: Posts: 88
    Hello .o/

    Hi all.

    I always loved Fighting Games. But I also were always a console guy. Never got into the arcades enough time to understand what is to real play a fighting game.

    When I started to play online using emulators, I realize that those matches with my neighbors were child's play. I got owned. Hard.

    I waited for Street Fighter IV to release on the PC, as I don't own a console anymore, and its quite impressive how good you can be.

    I lose a lot more than I win, but I never ragequit or give up trying to win at least a round from time to time against some very good players. I believe that this way I will, with time and pratice, get better. I don't think that I'll get as good as some people, just don't have the time to spare praticing, but I just want to have fun and learn.

    I spent a lot of time reading this forum and I am very grateful that such a nice place exists for me to learn more about this kind of game that I thought I knew everything about, and now here I am, to help and to be helped.

    Well, that's it. Nice to meet you all!
  • shinobakashinobaka Joined: Posts: 137
    i love that the game is bringing for people in the community
  • ArasmusArasmus Joined: Posts: 11
    Hi guys, wanted to introduce myself. Well I am from Bulgaria im 19 years old, currently studiying in an university externally while looking ofr a job. I love video games, especally fighters. My favourites are KOF, SF4, SF2. I've been playing SF4 a lot lately since i got it for my pc and i've already been in three tournaments in which I performed really well (my best result was 2nd out of about 25 people). I've never been much of a community person in the past, because in Bulgaria the whole community is spread in tiny groups which only play with eachother, but that will change soon. I really hope I can help the community in any ways I can and ofcourse compete with the real pro's and improve my skill.
  • electstarelectstar Joined: Posts: 10
    Thanks for the info
  • systransystran Joined: Posts: 209
    http://www.youtube.com/mingtongzhi

    I've been making some tutorial videos for 2d fighters in general, though it ended up being from SF4's viewpoint.

    I've only been playing SF4 since the PC launch, but I've played 2d fighters for a long time. Grinding through G3 and G2, I noticed some really bad habits a lot of players have that showed me how many players don't understand the basic mechanics of a 2d fighter, which was my reason for making these tutorials.

    Part I is super basic and explains hitboxes, startup frames, active frames, recovery frames, zoning etc.

    Part II is edited better (was learning Premiere as I did this) and covers more useful stuff, though if you are really new to fighters you should probably watch Part I as well.

    Feel free to critique or point out anything that isn't helpful or straight up wrong.
  • bytexbytex Huge Gaming Penis Joined: Posts: 490
    Well, just because combos require "insane amounts of control of the stick" doesn't mean you can't do it. Lots of people can. But no amount of reading on forums will make your hands move physically faster and more accurate. Only muscle memory can do that. Which comes from..training. Just like learning to play piano. You may know all the Beethoven theory from books, how to read notation, but unless you do the actual play training, it's worthless.

    But training with a purpose is the big thing. Don't just hop in training mode and mash for 2 hours with no purpose, or play your little brother with no clue. Decide to learn something specific with a specific character, and do it constantly until it's boring, then do it some more.

    Even do actual online matches where you don't focus on winning, but to do something specific a set amount of times during the match, like dragonpunch FADC into ultra. If you lose, no big deal, find another match. Human players move different from the CPU players.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Hello everyone, I just started Street Fighter about 3 days ago. I'm brand new to it in general, aside from messing around as a little kid on SNES. I'm also knew to fighter games using a 360 pad, since I've only played Smash and MvC at arcades.

    I'm practicing Crimson Viper and since not many players are on the PC version that I can find I usually practice against the AI on "Hardest" setting. I'm having a little trouble figuring out something to do with Cammy's spiral attack, and I didn't find it on the matchup list for that character, maybe I'm just blind or my face is murdered with how much text I've read today. Any suggestions? (I've researched most of the terminology so don't be afraid to get complicated.)

    EDIT:Wow I'm blind. I have a hard time making the weak BK work though? Seems to knock me out of everything.

    I'm also just naturally horrible at Abel lol.
  • systransystran Joined: Posts: 209
    You really don't want to practice against the computer, it will develop really bad habits. Try doing arcade challenge for championship mode, there are plenty of people once you get out of G3 (I'm also on the PC version,) I rarely have to wait more than 20 seconds for a match.

    Just block Cammy's spiral attack; a lot of new players always think they need to beat x move out with y move. The correct solution is more often to just block the move and punish.
  • nano5896nano5896 BlightedAgent Joined: Posts: 282
    Hi. I'm Nano5896. I'm a big fan of the Street Fighter series. I got nothing else to say.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    I have never been a big fan of fighting games mostly because I suck pretty bad at them, but just recently I bought SFIV and am having a really fun time with it. As well as I have been learning a lot from this amazing site I seem to have improved somewhat (but a beginner could still kick my ass).

    Next stop, buying a stick...

    Thanks again for all the info from all the members, mods and admins!
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Boy do I suck at this game, I can only beat Seth with only 3 characters.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Hi all. Newbie here :shy: Just got myself a copy of SFIV and a HRAP3 and I've had a blast practicing B&B combos in training mode. Thats all :P


    Thanks for putting in the effort to make this video cos it sure helped me understand the basics. Can't wait for part III. :smile:
  • mrshmearomrshmearo yo oh Joined: Posts: 266
    Hi! I'm new here! What is the address for me to connect to IRC?
  • lanunlanun Joined: Posts: 108
    How to use character's theme as background music during Versus?

    Bringing up my question
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    C/Ping this from the Viper threads since I want a broad opinion on this if that's alright:

    So..out of curiosity. For just starting fighting games, I don't suppose C. Viper is good to start with even if I want to main with her? It's just my performance has been extremely frustrating online.. I'm not used to losing so many times straight since starting ICcup on Starcraft when I was a nub =P.

    I understand practice makes perfect, but should I start as someone else so I enjoy myself more, or should I just keep playing?
  • eiSHeiSH Keepin' it FreestyleiSH Joined: Posts: 1,575
    Bringing up my question
    You can't.

    ^Keep playing viper, watch videos, get advice from the Viper forums. She's a technical character, but if you can get her down then you should start seeing results. Also, online != offline. Most of the time you're probably missing because of lag or lag tactics that leads to further frustration. Join your local scene and try to get tips from there as well :tup:
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  • damiean184damiean184 Joined: Posts: 5
    I need some assistance.

    This has been going on for awhile now, but now its just frustrating.

    For the past few months everytime I have been able to upload a replay in G1 it won't actually save it to Capcom's server.

    Example. I won a championship today.. clicked upload. *UPLOADING* flashed on the screen. I went to leaderboards to see if it uploaded and it didnt. My old replay which is lower in championship points by 50k is still attached to my name, but even then I can't view that one. It says "unable to receive data" or something like that.

    However when I go into my Championship data screen to see wins/loses it shows my highest championship point win.

    So.. I think I am bugged.. has anyone ever experienced this? If so.. how did they fix?

    I wasn't able to post this in general SF4 discussion because I need a min of 50 post first.

    I figured since I was a fellow ken player I would be able to get some answers. If anybody can please help me with this it would be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks

    p.s. My Original replay was 600k.. my new champ win was almost 700k and it did give me the option to *UPLOAD*... I accepted the upload and it flashed on the screen per usual.

    Went to the leaderboards to check my new replay and it wasn't there...my old replay was there and even then I can't watch it. Gives an error. I am running on xbox has anybody seen this before?
  • GlasgowkissGlasgowkiss Joined: Posts: 119
    Do you arcade guys ever find yourself wasting super bars trying to do ultras? 50% of the time that I try to ultra while I have a full super bar I end up launching the super instead. I guess its just a matter of trying different ways of hitting the buttons?

    I've got it into my head that wiring up macro buttons would be impure, even though I doubt there is an SF4 machine in the whole of Scotland!
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    I have a question about the shyroken after you block an attack from the air. So you see this often online where you do an attack from the air and once they block it your still trying to finish your combo and they reverse it.

    However my question revolves around how to do that reverse shyroken. I can do it sometimes when they try to do a grab after I block their air attack. However I have problems doing it a lot of times. Is there only certain situations u can use it. What I mean is there only paticular spacing where you can pull off the shyroken or can the reversal shyroken be used in any situation where you block the first hit?
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    is there any definate hitbox data out there. if so can sum1 please link
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    This thread is exactly what I needed, thanks.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    I'm having a really hard time deciding on who to concentrate on. All I know is that when opponents put a lot of pressure on me, I have a really tough time dealing with it. I think if I could choose a character that was very strong against pressure I would have a much better time. I'm trying out Dhalsim since he tries to avoid pressure all together but fireball characters give me trouble (though mostly from inexperience :\ ). Anyway, could anyone suggest good picks? Thanks!
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