CvS2 Character Cloning

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  • N00b_Saib0tN00b_Saib0t Joined: Posts: 44
    something i dont see being considered is the possable dominance of a 3/1 team or 2/2 ratio team. what if you have sagat(3)/sagat(1)? sagats good at r1, at r3 he can kill you with as many c.fierces as i can count on one hand. thats just not right to have teams like that.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Originally posted by Hoonyo

    Because you can use this for any character! Just like RCs! If I want to give Hibiki invincibility frames on her qcf+p, bam! If I want to give Hibiki a 2nd spot on the team, boom!

    Yeah, just like any person can pick Akuma in ST! OMG, the game's broken and after so many years, how come no one has realized this?! Who gives a fuck if he's banned it tournies, ANYBODY can pick him I tell you! Why give ST any respect still?! That game should go to the crapper too! :rolleyes:
  • N00b_Saib0tN00b_Saib0t Joined: Posts: 44
    Originally posted by GF2


    Yeah, just like any person can pick Akuma in ST! OMG, the game's broken and after so many years, how come know has realized this?! Who gives a fuck if he's banned it tournies, ANYBODY can pick him I tell you! Why give ST any respect still?! That game should go to the crapper too! :rolleyes:

    he has a point. why are people getting their panties in a bunch if it cant be used in competitive play? besides, akuma in st is by far worse than 2 sagats in cvs2.
  • Shotokan SymphonyShotokan Symphony FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOX Joined: Posts: 1,703
    This isn't game breaking in the least. It's just STUPID.
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  • CicadaCicada NO, YOU CANNOT. Joined: Posts: 1,400
    Originally posted by CrazyDazed
    don't turn this into "OMFG RC IS GAMEBREAKING" chaos.
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  • LBLB HyungOppa Joined: Posts: 1,760 mod
    you fucking retards.

    don't ban this.

    akuma was banned cause he was unstoppable. nobody could do shit against his air-fireballs.. and meant that the game was decided from the beginning.

    if sagat is that great and can win 100% of the time, pick sagat r4. you still can't win tourneys cause you fucking suck.

    shup up about picking two of the same characters.

    "hey, i'll just random. oops, look what happened, i got a character that i already have'.

    "BAN"

    fuck that. this can 'accidentaly' happen...

    you don't accidently pick akuma

    you don't accidently do the gambit glitch

    if you are fighting against two sagats, just pick two blankas then.

    dumbass
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Originally posted by Limp_Bizkit666
    you fucking retards.

    don't ban this.

    akuma was banned cause he was unstoppable. nobody could do shit against his air-fireballs.. and meant that the game was decided from the beginning.

    Actually, at Amusement Forum More, people pick him in random play a lot. They don't hold streaks for very long. They don't disallow him because it's an automatic win. They don't even disallow him in tournaments. However, they see it as a dishonorable act because he has too much of an advantage over the rest of the cast. Same story with this glitch.

    if sagat is that great and can win 100% of the time, pick sagat r4. you still can't win tourneys cause you fucking suck.

    Irrelevant. One R4 is mathematically inferior healthwise to a 3-man team.

    shup up about picking two of the same characters.

    "hey, i'll just random. oops, look what happened, i got a character that i already have'.

    "BAN"

    fuck that. this can 'accidentaly' happen...

    Ban random select. Tell me how it happens then.

    if you are fighting against two sagats, just pick two blankas then.

    What happens if you pick first? You see what happens is you have to pick a double Sagat/Blanka, or a double Bison/Sakura in A. Just disallow random select. Easy solution.

    dumbass

    I wouldn't talk... Your arguments were all pretty... :lame:
  • LBLB HyungOppa Joined: Posts: 1,760 mod
    replay to gunter:

    actually, i don't know how to pick akuma on st. however, what i do know is that he has tremendous power over other characters.

    not just an advantage, but domination.

    i don't know how much an advantage you would get cause you have two sagats. you already have one, having two will now let you win?

    my r4 ratio argument:

    i'm not talking about the general trend of r4< a set of r1's and a r2. what i'm arguing is that people are complaining that a character is selectable. what? fighting 1 sagat is totally beatable, yet fighting two of them suddenly make me lose?

    whoa.

    banning random select all together:

    wheee, lets ban gambit cause he can glitch.

    actually, there is a way to ban this without banning the random selection. you can make the person whose random select FIRST. then you can't do the glitch by definition.

    banning random select is not a good alternative. people like me actually quite enjoy using real random select.. just to practice with more characters and familarize myself with GASP random characters..

    picking two blankas vs. two sagats:

    uh, that was a joke. anyhow, it's still plausible. having two of the same character only allows the opponent to exploit their weakness. if your team consists of only sagats, i can pick balrog and pretty much win.

    it might give them an edge, but it's a double-sided edge. there is also a risk involved, when you end up with maki or something when you went for blanka.

    gunter: i don't know why you are calling my post 'lame', when i did'nt even do any arguments. i just flat out insulted half a million people, but that was it. you on the other hand, presented yourself as 'arguing' my post, yet you haven't done that. :lame: indeed?


    RC gives you an advantage. picking characters you know how to play with, gives you an advantage. knowing how to do moves gives you an advantage. knowing opponents habits give you an advantage. knowing game engines, combos, frame rates, priority, etc etc gives you an advantage.

    we shall ban 'opponent' in video games then. tight.

    this glitch isn't game breaking. juggy glitch wasn't banned. roll cancel glitches aren't banned. why should this?

    as i have said, just cause you have two of the same characters mean you'll win. sure, it's an advantage. but nothing to bitch and moan about enough to ban it.

    happy blanka/sagat/blanka.
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Originally posted by Limp_Bizkit666
    replay to gunter:

    actually, i don't know how to pick akuma on st. however, what i do know is that he has tremendous power over other characters.

    not just an advantage, but domination.

    As do some of the top tiers in CvS2 over certain other lower tier characters in the game. The thing with CvS2 is, a character only has to do his job in CvS2, he doesn't need to win. A character whose job it is to take off half of Sagat's life cannot do so now because Sagat's life has essentially tripled (doubled and then taking into account replenishment).

    i don't know how much an advantage you would get cause you have two sagats. you already have one, having two will now let you win?

    It will allow you to not just have an advantage, but to dominate.

    my r4 ratio argument:

    i'm not talking about the general trend of r4< a set of r1's and a r2. what i'm arguing is that people are complaining that a character is selectable. what? fighting 1 sagat is totally beatable, yet fighting two of them suddenly make me lose?

    whoa.

    I know your question was rhetorical, but yes. Sagat is easily twice as good as several characters. Meaning, it takes two of those characters to take him out. Under normal character selection methods this is an accepted grievance, because you can use your third character slot for a character who is twice as good as several other characters. With the glitch, this is impossible. Two of your characters will spend their life and meter beating one Sagat, then the third will try to get through the other one, and there's still a third character in reserve. There are reasons why Capcom ATTEMPTED to disallow same character selection. Matchups are the main reason.

    banning random select all together:

    wheee, lets ban gambit cause he can glitch.

    What is the point to random select? This defeats the purpose of double blind pick, a staple characteristic of tournaments in the US.

    actually, there is a way to ban this without banning the random selection. you can make the person whose random select FIRST. then you can't do the glitch by definition.

    SAME FUCKING SHIT. Just disallow the glitch, no matter what methods you use.

    banning random select is not a good alternative. people like me actually quite enjoy using real random select.. just to practice with more characters and familarize myself with GASP random characters..

    Here's a thought.... just pick a character at random! That's what I do all the time! Jesus Fucking Christ, do you need a roulette square for you to do this?


    picking two blankas vs. two sagats:

    uh, that was a joke. anyhow, it's still plausible. having two of the same character only allows the opponent to exploit their weakness. if your team consists of only sagats, i can pick balrog and pretty much win.

    If weaknesses are exploited, then so are the strengths. Those are both doubled. What ISN'T doubled is the opponent's life. Sagat gets triple life, Balrog's doesn't even double. I'll put my money on the double Sagat team.

    it might give them an edge, but it's a double-sided edge. there is also a risk involved, when you end up with maki or something when you went for blanka.

    When a participant accidentally picks the wrong character, reselection is allowed IN ALL TOURNAMENTS.

    gunter: i don't know why you are calling my post 'lame', when i did'nt even do any arguments.

    First, I didn't call your post lame. I called your arguments lame.
    Second, you DID do arguments. Definition 2a of the word "argument" (as is indicated on dictionary.com) is "A course of reasoning aimed at demonstrating truth or falsehood." You yourself said above "what I'm arguing is that people are complaining that a character is selectable." I don't see how you can use the word "arguing" and say that you didn't even do any arguments, while at the same time point out reasons why what people believe is a falsehood.

    i just flat out insulted half a million people, but that was it. you on the other hand, presented yourself as 'arguing' my post, yet you haven't done that. :lame: indeed?

    I've quoted points in your post and presented counterpoints. That, sir, is an argument (definitions 1a and 1b).

    INDEED. :mad:
  • LBLB HyungOppa Joined: Posts: 1,760 mod
    yes, second post was an argument..

    first wasn't.. where's your confusion?

    stop pretending when opponent chooses two sagats, i'm helpless and thus forced to pick two kyosukes.

    what da fuck??

    so opponents sagats suddenly get TRIPLE the firepower, yet my teams stay the same?

    even if it's common knowledge, only the opponent gets to do this?

    too good

    "omg, he's doing RC's. let me just try to beat it wtih my normals."

    fuck that shit. you are just going around in circles. so your opponent's strengths and weaknesses got tripled. so did mine.

    if my character was a direct counter, then i win.

    end of case.

    stop bringing up worthless points. ;)


    double blind: haha, that's why viscant was allowed to use random select as a team in SBO qualifiers? he even said it wasn't random, and actually used it for him to pick counter characters. ooh, ban his ass.

    i just showed you a way of banning the glitch without banning the random selection. if you noticed, that's what i was arguing for, since your idea was to ban the whole system. great job "arguing against" what i just said by acting like you agreed.

    last, i know called my arguments lame, and i said that it wasn't even an argument. then you quote from my SECOND post, which clearly was an argument. wow, great job.

    let me incriminate you for something you did in the future. gogo, tom cruise.
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Originally posted by Limp_Bizkit666
    yes, second post was an argument..

    first wasn't.. where's your confusion?

    They were both arugments, nitwit. An argument is BY DEFINITION "A course of reasoning aimed at demonstrating truth or falsehood. " You believe that it is false that if an opponent picks 2 sagats, they automatically win. You present reasons for believing so. That's a fucking argument. I'm not even going to finish this post, because you're obviously too ignorant to even understand what it is you're doing.

    :lame:
  • LBLB HyungOppa Joined: Posts: 1,760 mod
    Originally posted by Gunter


    They were both arugments, nitwit. An argument is BY DEFINITION "A course of reasoning aimed at demonstrating truth or falsehood. " You believe that it is false that if an opponent picks 2 sagats, they automatically win. You present reasons for believing so. That's a fucking argument. I'm not even going to finish this post, because you're obviously too ignorant to even understand what it is you're doing.

    :lame:

    haha, dumbass.

    good job sneaking yourself out of the whole point in our little argument.

    nice way to flank attention to some obscure part of the argument which has nothing to do with cvs2 nor cloning. go back to losing what you started. =)

    wheee

    loser
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  • DataikaDataika What? Joined: Posts: 468
    Hey, I know I'm late but...

    Does this work on the Japanese Import version of CVS2? I've tried about 15 times and it doesn't work for me and I followed the directions exactly and it still didn't.

    Does it work on the import? Or do I just suck and need more practice at this?

    Thanks,
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  • RokisephRokiseph The Subtle Rushdowner. Joined: Posts: 535 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Umm, you just have to keep trying.

    Oh BTW so you Geese players out there know, Geese is the First guy on the Random Screen. So you can just Pick Geese then 'Pick' Geese, and have 1 Ratio 1 Geese and a Ratio 3 Geese.
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Gunter:
    "When a participant accidentally picks the wrong character, reselection is allowed IN ALL TOURNAMENTS."

    Are you saying that if they say they are picking 2 characters the same and screw up they can retry to get said 2 characters?

    Wouldnt their second character technically be considered a 'random' character even though they meant to pick it? So wouldnt they be stuck with the character they 'randomly' selected?

    Just wonderin.. :)
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Originally posted by N00b_Saib0t


    he has a point. why are people getting their panties in a bunch if it cant be used in competitive play? besides, akuma in st is by far worse than 2 sagats in cvs2.

    what about the iron man/war machine infinite. That's legal in tournaments, aint it?...
    Or the damn Heihachi infinite in the corner in tekken 4... Or the sweep through in mortal kombat II. Or the Guile handcuffs, etc.

    I think people complain to much. If it's in the game. Use it.

    The roll/throw routine in CVS2 aint banned. Or the Sagat Fierce Punch aint bad...
    So there :)
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Originally posted by Jion_Wansu


    what about the iron man/war machine infinite. That's legal in tournaments, aint it?...
    Or the damn Heihachi infinite in the corner in tekken 4... Or the sweep through in mortal kombat II. Or the Guile handcuffs, etc.

    I think people complain to much. If it's in the game. Use it.

    The roll/throw routine in CVS2 aint banned. Or the Sagat Fierce Punch aint bad...
    So there :)

    Roll throw routine????? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    sence when is akuma so unstoppable and powerful

    all the tournies i play at, no one says anything about AKuma.
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    they are talking about super turbo, he was godly in there.
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  • YPeiYPei Alex is TOP TIER Joined: Posts: 378
    pretty late, but how do u do this? the forum is down on top-players.com
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Cloning

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  • YPeiYPei Alex is TOP TIER Joined: Posts: 378
    Originally posted by YPei
    pretty late, but how do u do this? the forum is down on top-players.com
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    B: LOL its 1998 dressed as 2005
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Wow, I stumbled upon this late. Some guy in a bowling alley in Shibuya picked double Geese Blanka against me over the weekend and I was shocked. But I guess this has been known for a while. Could somebody explain how to do it again? The initial post has a broken link. Thanks.
  • AznmnkyAznmnky Mr. Robot Joined: Posts: 395
    How to clone:

    choose a character first. highlight the random box on either side. let it scroll through the characters until it gets to the one you want the clone of (characters in random goes from snk to capcom starting with geese). choose the second character you want. go to the end box (you just have to be quick at this part) at the exact moment you highlight random, immediately press a button.

    This is kinda useless glitch since your strategy isn't varied, but hella fun to show off in casuals. :clap:
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    I find your explanation confusing.
    If you want 2 sagat's, you need to 'set-up' Sagat in the random box, then pick Sagat manually. Now you go back to end, and as soon as you get back on random, select sagat(it's tight, you have to do it within the first split second).

    It's in the Bug and Glitches thread, glitch #14.
    http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67234
  • Jion_WansuJion_Wansu Joined: Posts: 6,064
    So, what do you guys think...
  • Jion_WansuJion_Wansu Joined: Posts: 6,064
    Anyone else want to discuss this?
  • Jion_WansuJion_Wansu Joined: Posts: 6,064
    Banned or unbanned?
  • Jion_WansuJion_Wansu Joined: Posts: 6,064
    Does anyone have a Youtube video of character cloning?
  • Trouble BrewingTrouble Brewing Super Coffee Fighter V Joined: Posts: 5,174 mod
    if only there was a way to search youtube
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  • Jion_WansuJion_Wansu Joined: Posts: 6,064
    Even if you search on Google, there is no video on the entire Internet on character cloning for CVS2
  • Trouble BrewingTrouble Brewing Super Coffee Fighter V Joined: Posts: 5,174 mod
    Let me see if I understand your thought process:

    1) I want to find a video on a dead topic that no one wants to talk about.

    2) I know, I'll search on Youtube!

    3) No results, /sadface.

    4) I know, I'll search google!

    5) No results, /sadface.

    6) Hmm, well, if they aren't on youtube and/or google, maybe someone on SRK has a link to a youtube video!

    Is that more or less accurate or did I leave out a step or two? Inquiring minds want to know.
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  • Jion_WansuJion_Wansu Joined: Posts: 6,064
    Trouble Brewing, are you trolling?
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    please stop making retarded posts
  • Jion_WansuJion_Wansu Joined: Posts: 6,064
    wrote: »
    I find your explanation confusing.
    If you want 2 sagat's, you need to 'set-up' Sagat in the random box, then pick Sagat manually. Now you go back to end, and as soon as you get back on random, select sagat(it's tight, you have to do it within the first split second).

    It's in the Bug and Glitches thread, glitch #14.
    http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67234

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