KOF XII - Ash Crimson thread

X20ASTRIKEFREEDOMX20ASTRIKEFREEDOM Aka. Kusanagi-StyleJoined: Posts: 809
Ash Crimson
Fighting Style : Self-taught (uses special flames)
Birthdate : 14th Feb
Nationality : Unknown (grew up in France)
Blood Group : O+
Height : 178 cm
Weight : 59 kg
Likes : Nails Art
Fav. Food : Sachertorte (a type of sweet food)
Strong Sports : None
Important Things : Nails
Hated Things : Annoying and uninteresting things

THROW
Rcompense: close, b or f + A+C

COMMAND MOVES
Floreal: b + K

SPECIAL MOVES
Ventose: b~f + P
Nivose: d~u + K
Genee: qcb + A or B or C or D

DESPERATION MOVES
Thermidor: (qcfx2 + P)
Pluvoise: (qcfx2 + K)
Sans-Culotte: A, B, C, D
Villains

[Krax - lvl 30] [Scyfher - lvl 30] [Psycho Frame - lvl 30]
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  • Torn ApartTorn Apart New Noise Joined: Posts: 1,150
    i wonder if Ash still has his Sas Culotte combos from XI.
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  • X20ASTRIKEFREEDOMX20ASTRIKEFREEDOM Aka. Kusanagi-Style Joined: Posts: 809
    i wonder if Ash still has his Sas Culotte combos from XI.
    From what I know he doesn't. All his Sas Culotte is just an explosion super.
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Wow, someone was busy last night. I'm betting those other guys from Tilt are going to be disappointed...
  • krazykone123krazykone123 4D Joined: Posts: 2,851
    No new DM's for Ash huh? I guess I'm cool with that... for now
  • SoundatronSoundatron Energon Guzzler Joined: Posts: 518
    Heh, was never a fan of Sans Cullote though. Didn't seem practical to me.
    What is this qcb special? His command throw?

    At least he retains the BnB cr. Bx2, cr. A, Nivose/Pluivose
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  • Hatred EdgeHatred Edge No Ningens Allowed Joined: Posts: 16,610
    That's the O.Shermie fireball kiss he does.
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  • SoundatronSoundatron Energon Guzzler Joined: Posts: 518
    so no more command throw :(
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    So how good of a setup is Genee? This could lead to some interesting strats with Ash.
  • TooseriusTooserius DVERITAS Joined: Posts: 755
    ^quit reading my mind damnit :) lol

    but its got to some good use for oki and wake up,right?
  • Tha SoulstarTha Soulstar Time To Handle Business Son! LETS WORK! Joined: Posts: 659
    I wonder how useful Thermidor is gonna be in this game since he doesnt have his command grab now. No more command grab ----> Thermidor
    > run with the ball to whatever when you get to the corner. lol
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  • Torn ApartTorn Apart New Noise Joined: Posts: 1,150
    I wonder how useful Thermidor is gonna be in this game since he doesnt have his command grab now. No more command grab ----> Thermidor
    > run with the ball to whatever when you get to the corner. lol

    i dont you could have done that in the first place cause the ball super seems a lot slower on startup.
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  • TooseriusTooserius DVERITAS Joined: Posts: 755
    how much slower?
  • Lord BBHLord BBH EASY EASY~ Joined: Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    how much slower?

    Like 3 or 4 seconds of him holding the ball before he throws it, which he can be hit out of at any time and cancel the super out entirely. 3 seconds is a long ass time in a fighting game. It's better to just use Ash's meter on hit-confirming low B, low A into flash kick super.
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  • yourmotheryourmother 大五 運命腹 Joined: Posts: 1,528
    The ball super is really slow. The first couple times I saw it, I didn't know what would happen if I poked him, so I just blocked it, but then I chanced it and yeah, I'd really recommend going with the flash kick.
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  • MUSOLINIMUSOLINI Joined: Posts: 1,533
    Like 3 or 4 seconds of him holding the ball before he throws it, which he can be hit out of at any time and cancel the super out entirely. 3 seconds is a long ass time in a fighting game. It's better to just use Ash's meter on hit-confirming low B, low A into flash kick super.

    did you try it after a CC? maybe its hittable then? if it speeds up that is.
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  • AnakronAnakron Alpha Male Joined: Posts: 2,391
    did you try it after a CC? maybe its hittable then? if it speeds up that is.

    I'll try this today, but it's more reasonable to use Sans Culotte or flashkick super in a CC. Also you can juggle with some stuff after/during the ball super. :D

    Let's see if Sans Culotte still has ultimate juggle!
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  • CrimsonDisasterCrimsonDisaster team anime Joined: Posts: 1,582
    So how good of a setup is Genee? This could lead to some interesting strats with Ash.

    Very strong off certain knockdowns. The strength AND weakness is that it doesn't go off immediately, which creates interesting mixups but makes it kinda weak for zoning and makes it hard to apply in certain situations (like off a throw, you'll probably get mashed out of your setup :rofl: )
    I only play games with RCs.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    I was wondering with ash's ball special would it be viable if you used it when they jump in at you? Would the ball hit them up a few times before he throws it?

    If not I will go back to using his kick special.

    Also with his QCB A or C if you use the same one twice does it explode?
  • CrimsonDisasterCrimsonDisaster team anime Joined: Posts: 1,582
    Ball super doesn't hit till Ash sends it flying, IIRC.

    IIRC you can stack his QCB moves, not a lot of reason to do so though.
    I only play games with RCs.
  • AnakronAnakron Alpha Male Joined: Posts: 2,391
    Ball super doesn't hit till Ash sends it flying, IIRC.

    IIRC you can stack his QCB moves, not a lot of reason to do so though.

    So they can't roll through them! :looney:
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  • GravelneedGravelneed God, Why does SFxT exist? - Luisa Ferre Joined: Posts: 974
    I really thought Ash would get a new special move in KOF XII since Iori doesn't have his flames anymore. Granted Genee is a new move, but I don't think it's a move from Iori. Since Ash's moves apparently follow the months in the French Republican Calendar, he should still have 2 moves to go. Frimaire and Fructidor. He already got Germinal from Chizuru(sealing ability). What kind of move do you think he'll get from Iori and Kyo?

    Throw:
    Brumaire: close, b or f + C or D

    Command Moves:
    Messidor: f + A
    Floreal: b + B
    Prairial: b + D

    Special Moves:
    Ventose: bcf + P
    Nivose: dcu + K
    Vendemiaire: close, hcf + C

    Genee: d, db, b + A or B or C or D
    not refering to the Calander but the word means to "bother, hamper, hinder, block, cramp"

    Super Moves:
    Pluvoise: qcfx2 + K
    Thermidor: qcfx2 + P

    Leader Moves:
    Sans-culotte: A,B,C,D
    This isn't a month. It's a word(Sansculottides) that refers to holidays.
    Germinal: qcfx2 + E
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  • Crimson CobraCrimson Cobra Gigas Breaker!!! Joined: Posts: 1,653
    any idea on his learning curve?
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  • SAB-CASAB-CA Not the Super Argentine Backbreaker! Joined: Posts: 1,106
    I think the fact that Ash was spammed a LOT in those early play videos, prove that he's an easy character to get into.

    He main moves are charge motions, and they both seem easy to use. Weak attacks seem safer, strong attacks less safe, but hurt more, double fireball motion super is easy to combo into, and he seems like he'll easily teach you how effective comboing off of weak attacks is, in this game.

    I'd say he looks like one of the most beginner-friendly characters.
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  • ExcelReaverExcelReaver Forever a scrub. Joined: Posts: 253
    How fast are his genee fireballs , in comparison to Orochi Shermie kisses in 98um? Also what is the recovery like, and the duration they stay out there?
    Excelsior!
  • Crimson CobraCrimson Cobra Gigas Breaker!!! Joined: Posts: 1,653
    I'd say he looks like one of the most beginner-friendly characters.

    Really?
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  • Crimson CobraCrimson Cobra Gigas Breaker!!! Joined: Posts: 1,653
    No Love For Ash Crimson? :sad:
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  • TooseriusTooserius DVERITAS Joined: Posts: 755
    ^add me on the psn
  • Crimson CobraCrimson Cobra Gigas Breaker!!! Joined: Posts: 1,653
    ^add me on the psn

    any reason why ya want me to add you?
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  • TooseriusTooserius DVERITAS Joined: Posts: 755
    ^so we can go at when it comes out
  • Crimson CobraCrimson Cobra Gigas Breaker!!! Joined: Posts: 1,653
    ok well you could of pm'ed me....this is rather unrelated to the topic
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  • ExcelReaverExcelReaver Forever a scrub. Joined: Posts: 253
    Ash is a beast, but I miss his old fighting stance. But with the addition of shermie kisses he just got even more awesome. I'll be reppin Ash on that 360.
    Excelsior!
  • Crimson CobraCrimson Cobra Gigas Breaker!!! Joined: Posts: 1,653
    according to the recent audio interview
    ash is a pretty difficult and hard character to play
    not for the faint of heart really
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  • GravelneedGravelneed God, Why does SFxT exist? - Luisa Ferre Joined: Posts: 974
    ^ And which interview is that? Could you post a link?
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  • XiiiXiii Joined: Posts: 1,007
    You can't really trust Shane on it, those guys aren't really good at fighters to begin with and charge characters in a rushdown centric game is even less of something they'd be able to wrap their heads around.
  • Crimson CobraCrimson Cobra Gigas Breaker!!! Joined: Posts: 1,653
    Lack Of Ash Crimson discussion?
    the game's almost out and there doesn't seem to be enough gameplay footage of him to tide someone over
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  • XiiiXiii Joined: Posts: 1,007
    There isn't enough gameplay footage of anybody to tide anyone over for another 4 days.
  • Crimson CobraCrimson Cobra Gigas Breaker!!! Joined: Posts: 1,653
    hows his kiss's in this game?
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  • Torn ApartTorn Apart New Noise Joined: Posts: 1,150
    just though i should share some random findings:

    Ash's st. B hits low and you can link a cr. B afterwards. So you can do combos like this:

    st.B, cr.B, cr.A, charge d,u+B [140]
    st.B, cr.B, cr.A, qcfx2 [217/291 if near the corner]

    some corner combos:
    8-hits
    j.C/j.D/h.C/h.D, st.C,CD,charge b,f+C, charge D, U+D[302/300/300/298]

    10-hits
    j.C/j.D/h.C/h.D, st.C,CD,charge b,f+C, qcfx2+B/D [419/417/417/415]

    jump C [72dmg] does more dmg then jump D [70dmg] which does the same dmg as hop C [70 dmg] which both do more dmg then hop D [68dmg].
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  • MGO_CountMGO_Count EXP Count Joined: Posts: 503
    ^ good statistics at the end.
    But I always like the distance you can get from J.D
    Like you can hop back and still manage to hit em with j.D

    Gonna try those combos out. Thnx!
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  • KougaKouga Unblockable Traps!!! Joined: Posts: 306
    Kind of disapponted at his changes. I skipped KoFXI so I don't know what happend to him there. He lost his command throw and overhead why?

    Anyway, regarding the kiss move. B version after sweep puts it right above them. It seems alright but it's not an amazing move. It actually hits a bit late and so you can generally run up and throw before it goes off but it doesn't lock them down very well for the same reason. I'll have to experiment with it more when online gets patched.
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