The Ultimate Korean Arcade Part FAQ!!

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The Ultimate Korean Arcade Part FAQ!!

DISCLAIMER:I have no firsthand experience with these, this FAQ is all compiled from the following threads:

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=152923
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=155281
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=151113

The idea behind this was to make a place a newbie could took without digging through threads, and to create a centralized place for this info.

Special thanks to: Laugh, Takahashi, deadfrog, and kowal

The (Good quality, non knockoff) Sticks:

There are three main companies manufacturing sticks. They are Myoungshin, Taeyoung, and Crown.


Myoungshin and Taeyoung make Fanta sticks, but these should not be confused with each other.
While both are branded Fanta, they are two different companies with two different molds. It just so happens that rubber pad a knobs are interchangeable.

In most of these sticks, there are no springs or restrictor gates. Instead there is a piece of rubber put in for resistance.

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Here is an overview of the current parts from each company (credit to kowal):

Myoungshin Fanta

Low Stiffnesss (the rubber in this fanta stick is not very stiff)
This stick feels pretty good. I believe these use high quality Starion microswitches.

fantamsl01qe7.th.jpg fantamsl02fp1.th.jpg fantamsl03iy2.th.jpg fantamsl04iu3.th.jpg

rotation = circle
throw = angle - 13 degree; travel - 14mm
engage = angle - 9 degree; travel - 10mm
diagonal = range 25 degree; hitting 75%
force to engage = 0.22kG


TaeYoung Fanta

These are very stiff sticks. It has very good microswitches (Gersung) so it is high quality.

fantaty01bx2.th.jpg fantaty02yn5.th.jpg fantaty03ur1.th.jpg fantaty04bw2.th.jpg

rotation = circle
throw = angle - 13 degree; travel - 14mm
engage = angle - 9 degree; travel - 10mm
diagonal = range 30 degree; hitting 80%
force to engage = 0.5kG

Crown CWL306

This is the most recent Crown model, with a balltop. This balltop is NOT removable.
I'm not sure what microswitches these have.

clw30601ze8.th.jpg clw30602kk1.th.jpg clw30603mq1.th.jpg clw30604hy8.th.jpg

rotation = circle
throw = angle - 12 degree; travel - 12mm
engage = angle - 8 degree; travel - 8mm
diagonal = range 30 degree; hitting 80%
force to engage = 0.275kG


Crown CWL305 - very low stiffness

This is a very soft stick, and comes with a bat top. It has a square actuator.
Again, I'm not sure what microswitches it has, but I'd assume Gersung.

clw30501uy8.th.jpg clw30502as0.th.jpg clw30503yy9.th.jpg clw30504ok0.th.jpg

rotation = circle w/ square actuator
throw = angle - 13 degree; travel - 14mm
engage = angle - 7 degree; travel - 8mm
diagonal = range 45 degree; hitting 90%
force to engage = 0.175kG

There is also a version of this that uses a spring:

(This is kowal's favorite Crown model)

clw30505qa5.th.jpg

rotation = circle
throw = angle - 13 degree; travel - 14mm
engage = angle - 7 degree; travel - 8mm
diagonal = range 30 degree; hitting 80%
force to engage = 0,2kG


Crown CWL303 - very low stiffness

This used to be a lower quality stick, but due to public complaint, it is now a great stick.
These are used in Tekken 6 machines in Korea.
It has a round actuator and gersung microswitches.

Picture

rotation = circle
throw = angle - 13 degree; travel - 14mm
engage = angle - 8 degree; travel - 9mm
diagonal = range 20 degree; hitting 66%
force to engage = 0.17kG

All sticks should share these specifications (if they use a battop):

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The Buttons:

There are two types of good Korean buttons, the Crown 203A and Crown 203C.

Pictures:
The Crown 203A
The Crown 203C

Both are high quality buttons, the 203A being snap in only, and the 203C supporting both snap in and screw in.
The 203A will work with .110 quick disconnects, but 203C will require soldering directly to the button.

I don't have many technical details about these, but they are high quality, do NOT click like HAPP buttons, but require slightly more pressure to push than Japanese buttons.
In a sense they're in between American and Japanese.


Prebuilts and their Cases:

While any case that the Crown buttons and Crown or Fanta joystick fits into will work, there are a couple of cases to take note of on the market already.

The first family of prebuilt Korean sticks is the Saulabi line.
The Saulabi line has many sticks, including:
The 4K Arcade Stick
The Online White Stick
The Online Black Stick
The SCS-2000 USB Arcade Joystick
and Others.

Website: http://www.isaulabi.com/

These all have the same button layout, and all fit Korean parts.

Most Saulabis are relatively inexpensive, making them great to gut and use as a case for better parts.

The stock parts include:

10x Knockoff Crown buttons (bad!!)
These buttons are very loud and break easily
The buttons also feel hollow

and 1 x Myoungshin Fanta Joystick

While the Myoungshin Fantas that Laugh sell are great, the ones Saulabi uses are not.
They are most likely more inexpensive, budget versions.
Their diagonals are hard to hit, and the stick is generally hard to use and questionable.

If you want to use a Saulabi, I'd reccomend modding it.
Laugh has made a guide, available here: http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=155281

When modding it, you can also use a non-standard PCB like the Cthulhu or the Madcatz 360 USB... you could even dual mod it!



Another place you can find sticks is HERE: http://www.stick.pe.kr/shop/

This site sells wooden cases, which also use knockoff parts. Like the Saulabi, they're nice to mod.


Custom Cases:

Special thanks to deadfrog and laugh for this section

In Korean arcades, the most common type of machine is The Crown 203 Cabinet.

These cabinets generally use Fanta sticks and Crown 203A buttons.

Using this info, you should be able to replicate this layout.

These are the measurements for the top panel:

Looking down from above
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Looking up from underneath
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These images are to scale, 1:1

In the cabinet, there is a slight slope on the panel. It is up to you whether to add it or not.

The hole for the stick should be 34mm.
The button holes should be 28 mm.

The panel itself should be about 11 mm thick to support Crown 203A buttons.

If you want to use the screw ins, then the panel should be 13 mm thick.

The stick should be bottom mounted with a 13mm thick panel, so the black circle can stick up 2mm above the top of the panel.
If you're using the 203A snap ins, then you must use an extra small 2 mm piece of material to get the button at the correct height..
This will help you position the layout for a single-player arcade stick...
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For more info, please see deadfrog's post linked in the references section.


FAQs:

Q: Do Crown and the Fantas use the same mounting plate?
A: All korean sticks have the same mounting plate. There might be minor differences, but those are negligible.

Q: What about Cherry microswitches?
A: The general consensus seems to be that they're too soft

Q: What is the best Korean Stick?
A: Again, the general consensus is that the fanta sticks are better, but Crown has a very competitive line, and suits some people better. In deciding between fanta sticks, determine how much resistance you want and decide accordingly.

Q: Where can I get these parts?
A: The best place to go right now is Laugh. He's been selling Korean parts on SRK for a while. I can personally vouch for him, having completed a successful transaction:
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=174859


Q: Can you put a Korean Stick in a Japanese case?

A: It would require a lot of effort. It would be better to make a Korean case for it.
The Korean sticks need more depth, the panel thickness needed is greater for Korean sticks, and Korean buttons are slightly smaller


Q: What size Quick Disconnects do the Crown buttons use?

A: Only the Crown 203As use them. Their size is .110, just like the Sanwa buttons.

Q: Where does the PCB go in the Saulabi case?

A: There is no set place in the case for the PCB. It is free hanging. If you want, you could add a place to mount it yourself.
If you want to use the standard PCB, if you solder the board to the buttons, that should keep it in place.


Additional References:

Kowal's youtube channel - has a video of each of the sticks, and will give you an idea of how stiff they are:
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=kkowal97&view=videos

Deadfrog's post about making a custom case layout:
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost.php?p=5357054&postcount=76
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  • AKAK Joined: Posts: 356
    Nice work putting this together. It'd be cool to see demand for Korean parts in the US, but it seems the main use for Korean sticks is for Tekken (which isn't as popular as SF and vs. series in the US).

    Also, since the Fanta joysticks use lever microswitches, I wonder how they compare to the Nubytech SF:AE joystick which is also lever.
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  • UpasUpas MD's Stick Guy Joined: Posts: 824
    it seems the main use for Korean sticks is for Tekken (which isn't as popular as SF and vs. series in the US).

    Also, since the Fanta joysticks use lever microswitches, I wonder how they compare to the Nubytech SF:AE joystick which is also lever.

    Yes, the Korean joysticks do use lever microswitches :P

    I was actually wondering how these would perform in the vs series. If I were to get a really stiff Fanta, these might be ok.
    I'm gonna actually do the mod and try it. Let someone better at MvC2 than me do it :P

    Also, Korean arcades use Fanta sticks and Crown buttons in their SFiV machines.
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  • deadfrogdeadfrog Joined: Joined: Posts: 6,787
    Great thread, man!

    Very relevant: Korean arcade layout for custom stick builders
  • AzerachAzerach Joined: Posts: 8
    nice thread, you could add kowals youtube page in the list aswell.. it has videos of the sticks, gives you an idea of how stiff they are / what theyll feel like.

    kkowal97 @ youtube
  • AKAK Joined: Posts: 356
    Upas: Could you include Deadfrog's thread information? That post was new to me. I found a lot of that information useful and relevant.


    I think the only discrepancy I'm aware of is that the panel should be 13 mm thick rather than 10mm. This gives room for the black circle to pop up 2mm or so above the panel (which I believe is how it's supposed to be set).
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  • TerrificTorkoalTerrificTorkoal Joined: Posts: 72
    How do Korean parts feel in comparison to Japanese ones?

    And how durable are they?
  • UpasUpas MD's Stick Guy Joined: Posts: 824
    Upas: Could you include Deadfrog's thread information? That post was new to me. I found a lot of that information useful and relevant.


    I think the only discrepancy I'm aware of is that the panel should be 13 mm thick rather than 10mm. This gives room for the black circle to pop up 2mm or so above the panel (which I believe is how it's supposed to be set).
    nice thread, you could add kowals youtube page in the list aswell.. it has videos of the sticks, gives you an idea of how stiff they are / what theyll feel like.

    kkowal97 @ youtube
    Great thread, man!

    Very relevant: Korean arcade layout for custom stick builders

    I will add all this stuff :D

    deadfrog: do you mind if I directly add it to the FAQ? Or would you rather just have me link it?

    Thanks guys!
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    kimchi power!
  • WarpticonWarpticon Main otaku of SRK #2 Joined: Posts: 9,968
    I almost did this myself, since the info on K-parts is so spread out all over the place. Good stuff.

    I'm working on a couple of ways to try modding K-sticks...I'll throw that info in once I know something.
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  • UpasUpas MD's Stick Guy Joined: Posts: 824
    I almost did this myself, since the info on K-parts is so spread out all over the place. Good stuff.

    I'm working on a couple of ways to try modding K-sticks...I'll throw that info in once I know something.

    Lol, yeah. I was looking for K-part info, and I was kinda annoyed it wasn't all in one place so I made this ;D

    I'm gonna mod a saulabi... standard stuff. I might dual mod it though.
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  • kowalkowal smell like Sanwa Joined: Posts: 400
    there are no springs or restrictor gates
    2 use springs, all have restrictors
    foto is from CLW305 not 306
    Luftwaffe use only Suzo
  • UpasUpas MD's Stick Guy Joined: Posts: 824
    2 use springs, all have restrictors
    foto is from CLW305 not 306


    Correct me if I'm wrong, but they're not like... restrictors in the sense that people think of them.

    The restrictors aren't like the sanwa ones, they're built in to the actuator at the end of the stick.


    Which 2 use springs? I know that one has the option of using a spring, but I didn't put that on.
    I will fix the pictures.
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  • deadfrogdeadfrog Joined: Joined: Posts: 6,787
    I think the only discrepancy I'm aware of is that the panel should be 13 mm thick rather than 10mm. This gives room for the black circle to pop up 2mm or so above the panel (which I believe is how it's supposed to be set).

    Cool to know, I didn't know what the correct mounting depth for the stick itself would be.

    If the buttons' section of the control panel is also 13mm thick, you will have to use the snap-in/screw-in buttons (CWB 203 C) because the snap-in-only buttons (CWB 203 A) will no longer fit.

    In the Crown arcade cabinets, I believe the mounting area for the joystick is a different thickness than the space for the pushbuttons.

    deadfrog: do you mind if I directly add it to the FAQ?
    Naw for sure man, do it up, throw it right in there!! I'm so stoked that people are finding it useful. :rofl:
  • UpasUpas MD's Stick Guy Joined: Posts: 824
    Cool to know, I didn't know what the correct mounting depth for the stick itself would be.

    If the buttons' section of the control panel is also 13mm thick, you will have to use the snap-in/screw-in buttons (CWB 203 C) because the snap-in-only buttons (CWB 203 A) will no longer fit.

    In the Crown arcade cabinets, I believe the mounting area for the joystick is a different thickness than the space for the pushbuttons.

    I fixed it :D (I think)
    Naw for sure man, do it up, throw it right in there!! I'm so stoked that people are finding it useful. :rofl:

    Sweet. I'll put more up later when I have more time.
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  • HvEHvE Sidebet LIVE? Joined: Posts: 823 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Does anyone know if a 1-1/8 inch drill bit will be good enough for the buttons? 1-1/8 inch is approximately 28.5 mm. I'm wondering if 1 mm will make a difference or if the hole will be slightly larger than the drill bit size
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  • BushBush Joined: Posts: 305
    It would be awesome if anyone could update this faq with info on dual modding a 360 pcb with the saulabi pcb.
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    Kamsahamnida!
    Nice thread!
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  • BushBush Joined: Posts: 305
    Just saw this ebay seller in another thread, he sells homemade korean sticks at a nice price. I think I might try one out.

    http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/3731wonders
  • HvEHvE Sidebet LIVE? Joined: Posts: 823 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    lol, @ missing his ultra in his video

    good deal btw
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  • BushBush Joined: Posts: 305
    good deal btw


    Looks good, ive just ordered one. Ill post up my opinions when it arrives.
  • tatakitataki misplaced Joined: Posts: 7,699
    Looks good, ive just ordered one. Ill post up my opinions when it arrives.

    Looking forward to it. I know some people who will be interested...
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  • BushBush Joined: Posts: 305
    Just saw this ebay seller in another thread, he sells homemade korean sticks at a nice price. I think I might try one out.

    http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/3731wonders



    Well my stick came today, it was basically falling apart. Bad quality and bad packaging. Not reccomended.

    Im probably going to make a new case for it. How do I go about taking out crown 203C buttons? Also how how far should these buttons go down when you press them? They go down below the black rim on this stick.
  • HvEHvE Sidebet LIVE? Joined: Posts: 823 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    no way! whaaaaat

    Nothing wrong with the buttons and the stick though, right?

    btw, I mounted a CWL 306 on a custom I made and just want to let you know that the Ultimate mod that people do on their JLFs works on that stick and it works like a charm w/ the mod. the buttons are pretty sweet too. flat is the way to go
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  • BushBush Joined: Posts: 305
    Ye, the stick and buttons are working fine and the wiring is fine. He didnt use any glue on the case, just these kind of thin staples so it came apart with the crappy packaging he used. Ive glued it back together and its useable now.

    I like the stick and the buttons but im just wondering if the buttons are going down too far when pressed. They go down a good bit below the the black rim. I dont remember the 203a going down this far. Maybe he didnt install them properly or is that just the way these buttons are?
  • HvEHvE Sidebet LIVE? Joined: Posts: 823 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    weird, I'm using 203C on my stick and they stay about 0.5 mm above the black rim when fully pressed. Do all the buttons do that? you should check if the bottom part of the button (where the soldering is done) is tight on the button, maybe that part is hanging loose.
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  • BushBush Joined: Posts: 305
    Ye its weird. I just tried what you said and they wouldnt budge any further up. Ill get some pics up.
  • BushBush Joined: Posts: 305
    Ive uploaded some pics. They are blurry but maybe somone can see something wrong.

    http://img3.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=dsc00008fuw.jpg


    EDIT: I just measured the top panel and its 11 mill. It says in this faq that it should be 13 mill. Could this be the problem?
  • laughlaugh eTokki.com Master Joined: Posts: 1,929
    Wha??? I just found this thread. Nice work, Upas.

    BTW, kowal did an awesome job with his reviews, but they're kinda old and outdated now. Lots of changes happened for the better since his review.
    Ive uploaded some pics. They are blurry but maybe somone can see something wrong.

    http://img3.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=dsc00008fuw.jpg


    EDIT: I just measured the top panel and its 11 mill. It says in this faq that it should be 13 mill. Could this be the problem?

    Those buttons in the pic are NOT 203Cs. They're some other Korean buttons NOT manufactured by Crown. I hate those buttons because the plungers are smaller than 203 buttons and because they plunge lower than the rims among various reasons.
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  • UpasUpas MD's Stick Guy Joined: Posts: 824
    Wha??? I just found this thread. Nice work, Upas.

    BTW, kowal did an awesome job with his reviews, but they're kinda old and outdated now. Lots of changes happened for the better since his review.

    It's about time for an update.
    As soon as I finish this round of dual mods, expect a large korean stick order from me :D
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    great thread thanks
  • BushBush Joined: Posts: 305

    Those buttons in the pic are NOT 203Cs. They're some other Korean buttons NOT manufactured by Crown. I hate those buttons because the plungers are smaller than 203 buttons and because they plunge lower than the rims among various reasons.

    Oh god, this stick just gets worse and worse. Thanks for letting me know, I knew something was off with these buttons.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Awesome thread. This thread should be stickied, IMO.

    I have a question to those familiar with K-sticks:

    To my understanding, both Myoungshin and Crown make low stiffness k-sticks. I was wondering among those two companies, which one comes out as the highest quality?

    The feel on the bat-top is very important as well. I hate the matte feel -- the kind of feel you can find on HAPP joysticks and the bat-top add-on for the Sanwa JLF joysticks. I lose grip whenever I play with bat-tops w/ the matte feel to them. On the other hand, I don't lose grip when playing with ball-tops or bat-tops made of plastic, giving you a rubber-like feel for better grip. Haha, I hope that made sense.
  • drunkninja42drunkninja42 My Little CvS Joined: Posts: 1,697
    By the looks of the sticks here, they appear to be similar in style to the stick that comes in the SFAC stick. Anybody know if they have a similar feel? I actually really like the stock stick that comes with it, and I'd like to build a custom with a similar feel.
  • RaishinXRaishinX I fell off Joined: Posts: 2,040 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    What size QD's do the sticks use? Is it .187? About to do some modding.
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  • tl613tl613 Joined: Posts: 1,752
    What size QD's do the sticks use? Is it .187? About to do some modding.

    Yes, .187
  • creptcrept Joined: Posts: 17
    Clarificacion.

    Annyong Haseyo!

    Long time reader, fist post.

    I'm almost finished with college, now time for important things! Games! :wonder:

    Before anything else, can some clarify the nomenclature used for the sticks on the first page, especially the hitting part. (diagonal = range 25 degree; hitting 75%)

    If possible add Sanwas/Seimitsus and Happs/ILs for comparisons sake.

    Thank you.
  • Ed_FariasEd_Farias Joined: Posts: 847
    Howdy all. Markman pointed me to this thread as I want to add a Korean based stick to my builds.

    Just had a few quick questions and I don't know if they have a quick answer.

    1. Would people be interested in a Korean based arcade stick when Tekken 6 hits the store? Most Tekken cabinets I have seen have all sanwa parts so I am wondering if people are just going to adapt to those parts?

    2. If you had to pick one stick and one button type to go with which should it be. I can't keep up inventory on all the different options, so I would go with the best stick and buttons possible.

    3. Is there a reliable distributor to get these parts from?

    Anything else I should know please pump me full of information.

    Thanks.
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  • KazujiroKazujiro PSN ID: Kazujiro XBLive: Kazujiro SRK Joined: Posts: 1,631
    Howdy all. Markman pointed me to this thread as I want to add a Korean based stick to my builds.

    Just had a few quick questions and I don't know if they have a quick answer.

    1. Would people be interested in a Korean based arcade stick when Tekken 6 hits the store? Most Tekken cabinets I have seen have all sanwa parts so I am wondering if people are just going to adapt to those parts?

    2. If you had to pick one stick and one button type to go with which should it be. I can't keep up inventory on all the different options, so I would go with the best stick and buttons possible.

    3. Is there a reliable distributor to get these parts from?

    Anything else I should know please pump me full of information.

    Thanks.

    SRK member: laugh, sells Korean parts via the Trading Outlet - I've never had the opportunity to try a Korean stick before but I am interested in possibly getting one after the new year.
  • RaishinXRaishinX I fell off Joined: Posts: 2,040 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    1. Would people be interested in a Korean based arcade stick when Tekken 6 hits the store? Most Tekken cabinets I have seen have all sanwa parts so I am wondering if people are just going to adapt to those parts?

    Probably only in Korea. Although I did read a story about a Korean SFIV cab in Canada that ppl were pretty fond of.
    2. If you had to pick one stick and one button type to go with which should it be. I can't keep up inventory on all the different options, so I would go with the best stick and buttons possible.

    It's probably posted in this thread but Myungshin Fanta joysticks are the most popular and Crown 203A buttons (the snap-ins)
    3. Is there a reliable distributor to get these parts from?

    Anything else I should know please pump me full of information.

    Thanks.

    Laugh. If Paik4Life ever sells anymore him too.
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Hi, I have a question
    you can change the rubber of Taeyoung to Crown 305?

    I have a fanta Taeyoung, but I'd like a Crown with more tension
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